Retread Mud tires???
01-20-2004, 03:01 PM
#51
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
Jim,
Sure, that website is pro retread and they are biased (no pun intended) but
what you are reading is factual. What they don't tell you (and the reason I
don't like retreads) is that they don't last nearly as long as virgin
casings. I have issue with the wear rate, not the failure rate.
At work I can get 500,000 kms from a set of drive tires (2.5 yrs), the
company then replaces them with caps and I am lucky to get 200,000 kms out
of them (1 yr). The lugs aren't as deep - poor winter traction and they
don't ride as smooth. I can justify all day long why my truck should run on
virgin rubber but the fact is, retreads are cheaper in the long run in
almost any application.
You would be surprised how few trailers are running retreads. Using my fleet
as an example, I would estimate of 2500+ trailers maybe 15 to 20% are
running retreads. While it's almost a given that most fleets replace with
retreads, trailers only see a fraction of the mileage a tractor does... most
see 5-6 yrs from a set of virgins.
-Brian
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:100qe6od1pu1q94@corp.supernews.com...
: Well... I don't know... that does come from proponents off re-treading.
:
: You notice that about all of those "gators" come off the trailer... they
put
: "real tires" on the tractor (especially the steering wheels).
:
: JimG
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
: >
: > "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
: > news:F%_Ob.4413$XH.54@news02.roc.ny...
: > : I would never use re-treads, and I think they should be outlawed from
: the
: > : highway. They are dangerous when they let go, and they litter the
: highway
: > : causing additional hazards for other motorists.
: > :
: >
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
: >
: > -Brian
: >
: >
:
:
Sure, that website is pro retread and they are biased (no pun intended) but
what you are reading is factual. What they don't tell you (and the reason I
don't like retreads) is that they don't last nearly as long as virgin
casings. I have issue with the wear rate, not the failure rate.
At work I can get 500,000 kms from a set of drive tires (2.5 yrs), the
company then replaces them with caps and I am lucky to get 200,000 kms out
of them (1 yr). The lugs aren't as deep - poor winter traction and they
don't ride as smooth. I can justify all day long why my truck should run on
virgin rubber but the fact is, retreads are cheaper in the long run in
almost any application.
You would be surprised how few trailers are running retreads. Using my fleet
as an example, I would estimate of 2500+ trailers maybe 15 to 20% are
running retreads. While it's almost a given that most fleets replace with
retreads, trailers only see a fraction of the mileage a tractor does... most
see 5-6 yrs from a set of virgins.
-Brian
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:100qe6od1pu1q94@corp.supernews.com...
: Well... I don't know... that does come from proponents off re-treading.
:
: You notice that about all of those "gators" come off the trailer... they
put
: "real tires" on the tractor (especially the steering wheels).
:
: JimG
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
: >
: > "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
: > news:F%_Ob.4413$XH.54@news02.roc.ny...
: > : I would never use re-treads, and I think they should be outlawed from
: the
: > : highway. They are dangerous when they let go, and they litter the
: highway
: > : causing additional hazards for other motorists.
: > :
: >
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
: >
: > -Brian
: >
: >
:
:
01-20-2004, 03:01 PM
#52
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
Jim,
Sure, that website is pro retread and they are biased (no pun intended) but
what you are reading is factual. What they don't tell you (and the reason I
don't like retreads) is that they don't last nearly as long as virgin
casings. I have issue with the wear rate, not the failure rate.
At work I can get 500,000 kms from a set of drive tires (2.5 yrs), the
company then replaces them with caps and I am lucky to get 200,000 kms out
of them (1 yr). The lugs aren't as deep - poor winter traction and they
don't ride as smooth. I can justify all day long why my truck should run on
virgin rubber but the fact is, retreads are cheaper in the long run in
almost any application.
You would be surprised how few trailers are running retreads. Using my fleet
as an example, I would estimate of 2500+ trailers maybe 15 to 20% are
running retreads. While it's almost a given that most fleets replace with
retreads, trailers only see a fraction of the mileage a tractor does... most
see 5-6 yrs from a set of virgins.
-Brian
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:100qe6od1pu1q94@corp.supernews.com...
: Well... I don't know... that does come from proponents off re-treading.
:
: You notice that about all of those "gators" come off the trailer... they
put
: "real tires" on the tractor (especially the steering wheels).
:
: JimG
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
: >
: > "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
: > news:F%_Ob.4413$XH.54@news02.roc.ny...
: > : I would never use re-treads, and I think they should be outlawed from
: the
: > : highway. They are dangerous when they let go, and they litter the
: highway
: > : causing additional hazards for other motorists.
: > :
: >
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
: >
: > -Brian
: >
: >
:
:
Sure, that website is pro retread and they are biased (no pun intended) but
what you are reading is factual. What they don't tell you (and the reason I
don't like retreads) is that they don't last nearly as long as virgin
casings. I have issue with the wear rate, not the failure rate.
At work I can get 500,000 kms from a set of drive tires (2.5 yrs), the
company then replaces them with caps and I am lucky to get 200,000 kms out
of them (1 yr). The lugs aren't as deep - poor winter traction and they
don't ride as smooth. I can justify all day long why my truck should run on
virgin rubber but the fact is, retreads are cheaper in the long run in
almost any application.
You would be surprised how few trailers are running retreads. Using my fleet
as an example, I would estimate of 2500+ trailers maybe 15 to 20% are
running retreads. While it's almost a given that most fleets replace with
retreads, trailers only see a fraction of the mileage a tractor does... most
see 5-6 yrs from a set of virgins.
-Brian
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:100qe6od1pu1q94@corp.supernews.com...
: Well... I don't know... that does come from proponents off re-treading.
:
: You notice that about all of those "gators" come off the trailer... they
put
: "real tires" on the tractor (especially the steering wheels).
:
: JimG
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
: >
: > "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
: > news:F%_Ob.4413$XH.54@news02.roc.ny...
: > : I would never use re-treads, and I think they should be outlawed from
: the
: > : highway. They are dangerous when they let go, and they litter the
: highway
: > : causing additional hazards for other motorists.
: > :
: >
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
: >
: > -Brian
: >
: >
:
:
01-20-2004, 03:16 PM
#53
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
Not necessarily... if the perception is that all rubber on the road is from
retreads than the statistics prove otherwise. However if your argument
challenges the failure rate of retreads versus virgins per capita, then the
stats are invalid. The website tackles the misconceptions of retreads and
certainly they will pick and choose statistics to support their industry.
-Brian
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LBfPb.5018$2c7.63132796@news-text.cableinet.net...
: that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
: retread tires though.
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
:
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
:
:
retreads than the statistics prove otherwise. However if your argument
challenges the failure rate of retreads versus virgins per capita, then the
stats are invalid. The website tackles the misconceptions of retreads and
certainly they will pick and choose statistics to support their industry.
-Brian
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LBfPb.5018$2c7.63132796@news-text.cableinet.net...
: that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
: retread tires though.
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
:
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
:
:
01-20-2004, 03:16 PM
#54
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
Not necessarily... if the perception is that all rubber on the road is from
retreads than the statistics prove otherwise. However if your argument
challenges the failure rate of retreads versus virgins per capita, then the
stats are invalid. The website tackles the misconceptions of retreads and
certainly they will pick and choose statistics to support their industry.
-Brian
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LBfPb.5018$2c7.63132796@news-text.cableinet.net...
: that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
: retread tires though.
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
:
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
:
:
retreads than the statistics prove otherwise. However if your argument
challenges the failure rate of retreads versus virgins per capita, then the
stats are invalid. The website tackles the misconceptions of retreads and
certainly they will pick and choose statistics to support their industry.
-Brian
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LBfPb.5018$2c7.63132796@news-text.cableinet.net...
: that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
: retread tires though.
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
:
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
:
:
01-20-2004, 03:16 PM
#55
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
Not necessarily... if the perception is that all rubber on the road is from
retreads than the statistics prove otherwise. However if your argument
challenges the failure rate of retreads versus virgins per capita, then the
stats are invalid. The website tackles the misconceptions of retreads and
certainly they will pick and choose statistics to support their industry.
-Brian
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LBfPb.5018$2c7.63132796@news-text.cableinet.net...
: that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
: retread tires though.
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
:
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
:
:
retreads than the statistics prove otherwise. However if your argument
challenges the failure rate of retreads versus virgins per capita, then the
stats are invalid. The website tackles the misconceptions of retreads and
certainly they will pick and choose statistics to support their industry.
-Brian
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:LBfPb.5018$2c7.63132796@news-text.cableinet.net...
: that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
: retread tires though.
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:TG7Pb.1487$lGr.706@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
:
: > Jim,
: > That is a broad and ill-informed statement but you're not alone in your
: > thinking ... in fact, virgin tire blowouts constitute 2/3 of the rubber
on
: > the road.
: > http://www.retread.org/rubber/
:
:
01-20-2004, 03:19 PM
#56
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
True.
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
> retread tires though.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
> retread tires though.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
01-20-2004, 03:19 PM
#57
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
True.
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
> retread tires though.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
> retread tires though.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
01-20-2004, 03:19 PM
#58
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
True.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
> retread tires though.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
> retread tires though.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
01-20-2004, 03:26 PM
#59
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
> that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
> retread tires though.
And completely meaningless in a discussion of using retreads on a Jeep.
Running at low pressures cause heat, heat will probably cause delamination.
How much are you willing to risk to save a few bucks? Chances are if you
throw a tread while crawling, not much bad will happen, but the trip will be
less fun without a good spare, and faith in the remaining 3 retreads.
The one time I did not replace my Jeepster's tires with BFGs, I regretted
it.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
> retread tires though.
And completely meaningless in a discussion of using retreads on a Jeep.
Running at low pressures cause heat, heat will probably cause delamination.
How much are you willing to risk to save a few bucks? Chances are if you
throw a tread while crawling, not much bad will happen, but the trip will be
less fun without a good spare, and faith in the remaining 3 retreads.
The one time I did not replace my Jeepster's tires with BFGs, I regretted
it.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
01-20-2004, 03:26 PM
#60
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Re: Retread Mud tires???
> that is a meaningless statistic without knowing the ratio of new tires to
> retread tires though.
And completely meaningless in a discussion of using retreads on a Jeep.
Running at low pressures cause heat, heat will probably cause delamination.
How much are you willing to risk to save a few bucks? Chances are if you
throw a tread while crawling, not much bad will happen, but the trip will be
less fun without a good spare, and faith in the remaining 3 retreads.
The one time I did not replace my Jeepster's tires with BFGs, I regretted
it.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
> retread tires though.
And completely meaningless in a discussion of using retreads on a Jeep.
Running at low pressures cause heat, heat will probably cause delamination.
How much are you willing to risk to save a few bucks? Chances are if you
throw a tread while crawling, not much bad will happen, but the trip will be
less fun without a good spare, and faith in the remaining 3 retreads.
The one time I did not replace my Jeepster's tires with BFGs, I regretted
it.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California