Replacement Fog Lights
05-30-2007, 10:34 PM
#31
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Re: Replacement Fog Lights
On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask ...
>
> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> > Coasty
>
> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
sorry if what I type does not make sense.
Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
(this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
rendered nothing.
Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask ...
>
> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> > Coasty
>
> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
sorry if what I type does not make sense.
Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
(this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
rendered nothing.
Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
05-30-2007, 10:34 PM
#32
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Replacement Fog Lights
On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask ...
>
> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> > Coasty
>
> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
sorry if what I type does not make sense.
Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
(this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
rendered nothing.
Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask ...
>
> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> > Coasty
>
> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
sorry if what I type does not make sense.
Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
(this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
rendered nothing.
Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
05-30-2007, 10:34 PM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Replacement Fog Lights
On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask ...
>
> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> > Coasty
>
> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
sorry if what I type does not make sense.
Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
(this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
rendered nothing.
Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask ...
>
> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> > Coasty
>
> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
sorry if what I type does not make sense.
Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
(this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
rendered nothing.
Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
05-30-2007, 11:20 PM
#34
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Posts: n/a
Re: Replacement Fog Lights
"SecreAgentRege" <reges.crap@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
>> ...
>>
>> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>>
>> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>>
>> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>>
>> > Coasty
>>
>> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
>> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
>> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
>> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
>> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
>> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
>> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
>> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
>> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
>> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
>> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
>> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
>> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>>
>> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> rendered nothing.
>
> Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
You have fogs.
They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
NORMAL OPERATION
Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
should also be expected to turn off.
If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
on.
05-30-2007, 11:20 PM
#35
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Re: Replacement Fog Lights
"SecreAgentRege" <reges.crap@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
>> ...
>>
>> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>>
>> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>>
>> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>>
>> > Coasty
>>
>> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
>> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
>> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
>> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
>> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
>> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
>> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
>> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
>> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
>> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
>> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
>> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
>> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>>
>> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> rendered nothing.
>
> Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
You have fogs.
They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
NORMAL OPERATION
Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
should also be expected to turn off.
If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
on.
05-30-2007, 11:20 PM
#36
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Replacement Fog Lights
"SecreAgentRege" <reges.crap@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
>> ...
>>
>> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>>
>> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>>
>> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>>
>> > Coasty
>>
>> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
>> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
>> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
>> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
>> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
>> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
>> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
>> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
>> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
>> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
>> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
>> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
>> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>>
>> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> rendered nothing.
>
> Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
You have fogs.
They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
NORMAL OPERATION
Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
should also be expected to turn off.
If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
on.
05-30-2007, 11:20 PM
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Replacement Fog Lights
"SecreAgentRege" <reges.crap@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
>> ...
>>
>> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>>
>> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>>
>> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>>
>> > Coasty
>>
>> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
>> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
>> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
>> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
>> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
>> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
>> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
>> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
>> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
>> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
>> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
>> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
>> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>>
>> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> rendered nothing.
>
> Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
You have fogs.
They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
NORMAL OPERATION
Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
should also be expected to turn off.
If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
on.
05-31-2007, 03:58 PM
#38
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Replacement Fog Lights
On May 30, 11:20 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "SecreAgentRege" <reges.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
> >> ...
>
> >> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> >> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> >> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> >> > Coasty
>
> >> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> > Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> > can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> > Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> > it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> > headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> > know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> > sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> > Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> > A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> > was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> > Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> > disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> > off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> > indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> > of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> > back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> > light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> > the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> > switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> > front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> > or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> > (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> > get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> > rendered nothing.
>
> > Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
> Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
>
> You have fogs.
> They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
> You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
>
> NORMAL OPERATION
> Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
> with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
>
> In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
> not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
> my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
> the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
> guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
> guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
> Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
> lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
> term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
> Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
> been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
> lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
>
> So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
> lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
> should also be expected to turn off.
>
> If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
> you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
> sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
> on.
Sorry, I did not explain my previous post well. Everything you've
mentioned is true (including my fogs getting power with only the
parking lights on, but that's besides the point).
When the fogs should be getting power, the line is getting 10V (?)
according to the multimeter, but when I plug the light in, it is dark.
I'm sorry and embarrassed, but I am not sure how to test, or what
exactly to look for, in regards to the ground. The wire where the old
fogs were installed has a black and a blue wire and a plug. The wire
from the lamp has a plug with a black and a blue wire. They connect
together... nothing happens. That's all I'm doing.
> "SecreAgentRege" <reges.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
> >> ...
>
> >> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> >> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> >> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> >> > Coasty
>
> >> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> > Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> > can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> > Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> > it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> > headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> > know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> > sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> > Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> > A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> > was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> > Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> > disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> > off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> > indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> > of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> > back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> > light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> > the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> > switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> > front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> > or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> > (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> > get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> > rendered nothing.
>
> > Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
> Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
>
> You have fogs.
> They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
> You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
>
> NORMAL OPERATION
> Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
> with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
>
> In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
> not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
> my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
> the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
> guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
> guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
> Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
> lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
> term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
> Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
> been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
> lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
>
> So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
> lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
> should also be expected to turn off.
>
> If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
> you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
> sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
> on.
Sorry, I did not explain my previous post well. Everything you've
mentioned is true (including my fogs getting power with only the
parking lights on, but that's besides the point).
When the fogs should be getting power, the line is getting 10V (?)
according to the multimeter, but when I plug the light in, it is dark.
I'm sorry and embarrassed, but I am not sure how to test, or what
exactly to look for, in regards to the ground. The wire where the old
fogs were installed has a black and a blue wire and a plug. The wire
from the lamp has a plug with a black and a blue wire. They connect
together... nothing happens. That's all I'm doing.
05-31-2007, 03:58 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Replacement Fog Lights
On May 30, 11:20 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "SecreAgentRege" <reges.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
> >> ...
>
> >> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> >> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> >> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> >> > Coasty
>
> >> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> > Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> > can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> > Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> > it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> > headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> > know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> > sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> > Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> > A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> > was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> > Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> > disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> > off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> > indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> > of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> > back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> > light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> > the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> > switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> > front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> > or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> > (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> > get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> > rendered nothing.
>
> > Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
> Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
>
> You have fogs.
> They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
> You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
>
> NORMAL OPERATION
> Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
> with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
>
> In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
> not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
> my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
> the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
> guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
> guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
> Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
> lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
> term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
> Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
> been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
> lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
>
> So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
> lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
> should also be expected to turn off.
>
> If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
> you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
> sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
> on.
Sorry, I did not explain my previous post well. Everything you've
mentioned is true (including my fogs getting power with only the
parking lights on, but that's besides the point).
When the fogs should be getting power, the line is getting 10V (?)
according to the multimeter, but when I plug the light in, it is dark.
I'm sorry and embarrassed, but I am not sure how to test, or what
exactly to look for, in regards to the ground. The wire where the old
fogs were installed has a black and a blue wire and a plug. The wire
from the lamp has a plug with a black and a blue wire. They connect
together... nothing happens. That's all I'm doing.
> "SecreAgentRege" <reges.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
> >> ...
>
> >> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> >> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> >> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> >> > Coasty
>
> >> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> > Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> > can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> > Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> > it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> > headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> > know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> > sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> > Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> > A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> > was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> > Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> > disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> > off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> > indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> > of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> > back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> > light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> > the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> > switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> > front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> > or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> > (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> > get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> > rendered nothing.
>
> > Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
> Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
>
> You have fogs.
> They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
> You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
>
> NORMAL OPERATION
> Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
> with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
>
> In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
> not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
> my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
> the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
> guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
> guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
> Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
> lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
> term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
> Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
> been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
> lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
>
> So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
> lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
> should also be expected to turn off.
>
> If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
> you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
> sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
> on.
Sorry, I did not explain my previous post well. Everything you've
mentioned is true (including my fogs getting power with only the
parking lights on, but that's besides the point).
When the fogs should be getting power, the line is getting 10V (?)
according to the multimeter, but when I plug the light in, it is dark.
I'm sorry and embarrassed, but I am not sure how to test, or what
exactly to look for, in regards to the ground. The wire where the old
fogs were installed has a black and a blue wire and a plug. The wire
from the lamp has a plug with a black and a blue wire. They connect
together... nothing happens. That's all I'm doing.
05-31-2007, 03:58 PM
#40
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Re: Replacement Fog Lights
On May 30, 11:20 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "SecreAgentRege" <reges.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
> >> ...
>
> >> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> >> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> >> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> >> > Coasty
>
> >> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> > Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> > can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> > Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> > it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> > headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> > know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> > sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> > Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> > A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> > was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> > Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> > disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> > off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> > indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> > of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> > back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> > light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> > the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> > switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> > front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> > or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> > (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> > get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> > rendered nothing.
>
> > Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
> Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
>
> You have fogs.
> They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
> You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
>
> NORMAL OPERATION
> Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
> with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
>
> In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
> not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
> my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
> the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
> guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
> guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
> Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
> lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
> term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
> Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
> been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
> lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
>
> So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
> lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
> should also be expected to turn off.
>
> If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
> you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
> sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
> on.
Sorry, I did not explain my previous post well. Everything you've
mentioned is true (including my fogs getting power with only the
parking lights on, but that's besides the point).
When the fogs should be getting power, the line is getting 10V (?)
according to the multimeter, but when I plug the light in, it is dark.
I'm sorry and embarrassed, but I am not sure how to test, or what
exactly to look for, in regards to the ground. The wire where the old
fogs were installed has a black and a blue wire and a plug. The wire
from the lamp has a plug with a black and a blue wire. They connect
together... nothing happens. That's all I'm doing.
> "SecreAgentRege" <reges.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180578863.639624.92110@q66g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 11:13 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I hate to say it, but this is one of those things that if you gotta ask
> >> ...
>
> >> Is it DLR only or DRL only?
>
> >> DRL = Daytime Running Lamps, and has nothing to do with the Fog Lamps.
>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret@ no spam comcast.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:9bOdnUOZ9NDUzMbbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> >> > Go here 91 bucks eachhttp://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/
>
> >> > Coasty
>
> >> > "SecretAgentRege" <secretagentr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1180374956.597783.160760@p77g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
> >> >>A while back my stock fog lights got busted on my '99 Cherokee Sport
> >> >> right before inspection. When it went in, they told me it would be
> >> >> $400 to replace the lights, and when I told them no, they told me they
> >> >> had to take them off for the inspection since they were broken. I have
> >> >> recently found out that I can purchase the lights for like $50 a pop
> >> >> from Replacement, and have done so. However, when I hooked them up,
> >> >> they aren't working... so I checked the fuse box under the hood and
> >> >> there are two fuses there listed as "Fog Lamps" and "Fog (DLR Only)";
> >> >> the latter is missing. Is this all I need to hook my fog lights back
> >> >> up? Can I just get this at Pep Boys or is it really "Dealer Only"...
> >> >> Seems rediculous to charge $400 for $100 worth of parts and 10 minutes
> >> >> worth of work if it's that simple...
>
> >> >> Looking forward to your help.. Thanks.
>
> > Jeff, I'm asking because I want to learn something I do not know; you
> > can't tell me you never had to ask for advice.
> > Anyway, you are correct, it was DRL, which would make sense as to why
> > it is missing (as to why it is labeled "Fog" I know not). I have made
> > headway, however, so I hope you are willing to assist me further. I
> > know a very minuscule amount about electronics and wiring, so I'm
> > sorry if what I type does not make sense.
>
> > Since the relay was in fact correct, I decided to switch the identical
> > A/C and Fog Light relays in the fuse box under the hood to see if it
> > was a bum relay. Nothing changed; A/C still continued to work and Fog
> > Lights did not--so the relay was good. I then thought maybe they
> > disconnected the switch in the dash when they took them out. I took
> > off the center piece and pulled out the switch panel, and it was
> > indeed still connected. I then pulled out a multimeter to check some
> > of connections. I could get a reading from the plug going into the
> > back of the switch, so the switch was getting power; however, the LED
> > light on the switch never lightes up. I then took the multimeter to
> > the front wire connections. With my low beams on and the fog light
> > switch on (though, still no LED lit), I could get a reading on the
> > front wires, which went away upon turning off the low beams or lights
> > or switch. With the multimeter setting on 50V, the needle went to 10
> > (this is what I am not familiar with). It took some fiddling with to
> > get a reading. I thoguht I had it, but pluggint the lights in still
> > rendered nothing.
>
> > Any ideas as to what could be wrong? I doubt I got two bad lights...
>
> Okay.et's recap because I'm lost.
>
> You have fogs.
> They worked once upon a time, but now they don't.
> You replaced the lamps, but they still don't work.
>
> NORMAL OPERATION
> Fog lights ONLY come on with the Low Beams -- having said that, mine come on
> with the Parking Lights, so that "ONLY" may be out of place.
>
> In any case, they never remain on with the High Beams, and they may or may
> not turn off when only the Parking Lights (Running Lights) are left on. In
> my BMW, the ignition must be ON and the lighting system must also be ON for
> the fogs to work, I'm not certain how Jeeps work, but there are Federal
> guidelines that govern factory or dealer installed fog lamps. The Federal
> guidelines state that fog lamps must only be used in conjunction with the
> Low Beams, many states also regulate that fog lamps can not be the only
> lights ON that are not parking lamps/running lamps/corner markers/<whatever
> term you like to use for the rest of the lights that are not head lamps>.
> Some automakers will have the fogs come on with the parking lamps, but I've
> been stopped for not noticing that I failed to have the full compliment of
> lights on the front of my car. But I digress ...
>
> So, when you turn the Low Beams OFF, it seems reasonable to me that the fog
> lamps would lose power. And, when you switch the High Beams ON, the fogs
> should also be expected to turn off.
>
> If you have power to the fogs at any time and they refuse to turn ON, then
> you need to be looking at stuff like a qualified ground. If the ground
> sucks, or isn't connected (or otherwise provided), the lights will not come
> on.
Sorry, I did not explain my previous post well. Everything you've
mentioned is true (including my fogs getting power with only the
parking lights on, but that's besides the point).
When the fogs should be getting power, the line is getting 10V (?)
according to the multimeter, but when I plug the light in, it is dark.
I'm sorry and embarrassed, but I am not sure how to test, or what
exactly to look for, in regards to the ground. The wire where the old
fogs were installed has a black and a blue wire and a plug. The wire
from the lamp has a plug with a black and a blue wire. They connect
together... nothing happens. That's all I'm doing.
