removing or relocating emergency brake handle
08-22-2003, 03:25 PM
#11
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
Parking Brakes.
No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
footwells of your TJ.
Finally, the parking brake system is mechanical. It is operated by cables,
not hydraulics, so if the hydraulic system fails, there is a mechanical back
up. Since there is no way to keep pressure in the hydraulic system when your
foot isn't there, then we need the parking brake and its ratchet mechanism
to keep the brakes holding when nobody is there.
"Edward" <nospamedward_mc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:WEGdnTS3n4t_AtiiXTWJjg@comcast.com...
> Has anyone ever removed or relocated the console mounted emergency brake
> handle on their late model TJ? I live in a flat city and have never used
the
> emergency brake on any vehicle I've ever owned. I would love to be able to
> use the area this thing takes up for a center console.
>
> Isn't the emergency brake just connect to the rear brakes, so that if the
> brakes go out for some reason, the emergency brake isn't going to do any
> good anyway, it's just for keeping stress off the trans when parked on an
> incline, right?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed in Chicago
>
>
Parking Brakes.
No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
footwells of your TJ.
Finally, the parking brake system is mechanical. It is operated by cables,
not hydraulics, so if the hydraulic system fails, there is a mechanical back
up. Since there is no way to keep pressure in the hydraulic system when your
foot isn't there, then we need the parking brake and its ratchet mechanism
to keep the brakes holding when nobody is there.
"Edward" <nospamedward_mc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:WEGdnTS3n4t_AtiiXTWJjg@comcast.com...
> Has anyone ever removed or relocated the console mounted emergency brake
> handle on their late model TJ? I live in a flat city and have never used
the
> emergency brake on any vehicle I've ever owned. I would love to be able to
> use the area this thing takes up for a center console.
>
> Isn't the emergency brake just connect to the rear brakes, so that if the
> brakes go out for some reason, the emergency brake isn't going to do any
> good anyway, it's just for keeping stress off the trans when parked on an
> incline, right?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed in Chicago
>
>
08-22-2003, 04:11 PM
#12
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
parked until spring....
It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
have a mechanical backup.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
> Parking Brakes.
>
> No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
> will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
> footwells of your TJ.
>
> Finally, the parking brake system is mechanical. It is operated by cables,
> not hydraulics, so if the hydraulic system fails, there is a mechanical back
> up. Since there is no way to keep pressure in the hydraulic system when your
> foot isn't there, then we need the parking brake and its ratchet mechanism
> to keep the brakes holding when nobody is there.
>
> "Edward" <nospamedward_mc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WEGdnTS3n4t_AtiiXTWJjg@comcast.com...
> > Has anyone ever removed or relocated the console mounted emergency brake
> > handle on their late model TJ? I live in a flat city and have never used
> the
> > emergency brake on any vehicle I've ever owned. I would love to be able to
> > use the area this thing takes up for a center console.
> >
> > Isn't the emergency brake just connect to the rear brakes, so that if the
> > brakes go out for some reason, the emergency brake isn't going to do any
> > good anyway, it's just for keeping stress off the trans when parked on an
> > incline, right?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ed in Chicago
> >
> >
use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
parked until spring....
It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
have a mechanical backup.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
> Parking Brakes.
>
> No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
> will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
> footwells of your TJ.
>
> Finally, the parking brake system is mechanical. It is operated by cables,
> not hydraulics, so if the hydraulic system fails, there is a mechanical back
> up. Since there is no way to keep pressure in the hydraulic system when your
> foot isn't there, then we need the parking brake and its ratchet mechanism
> to keep the brakes holding when nobody is there.
>
> "Edward" <nospamedward_mc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WEGdnTS3n4t_AtiiXTWJjg@comcast.com...
> > Has anyone ever removed or relocated the console mounted emergency brake
> > handle on their late model TJ? I live in a flat city and have never used
> the
> > emergency brake on any vehicle I've ever owned. I would love to be able to
> > use the area this thing takes up for a center console.
> >
> > Isn't the emergency brake just connect to the rear brakes, so that if the
> > brakes go out for some reason, the emergency brake isn't going to do any
> > good anyway, it's just for keeping stress off the trans when parked on an
> > incline, right?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ed in Chicago
> >
> >
08-22-2003, 04:11 PM
#13
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
parked until spring....
It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
have a mechanical backup.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
> Parking Brakes.
>
> No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
> will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
> footwells of your TJ.
>
> Finally, the parking brake system is mechanical. It is operated by cables,
> not hydraulics, so if the hydraulic system fails, there is a mechanical back
> up. Since there is no way to keep pressure in the hydraulic system when your
> foot isn't there, then we need the parking brake and its ratchet mechanism
> to keep the brakes holding when nobody is there.
>
> "Edward" <nospamedward_mc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WEGdnTS3n4t_AtiiXTWJjg@comcast.com...
> > Has anyone ever removed or relocated the console mounted emergency brake
> > handle on their late model TJ? I live in a flat city and have never used
> the
> > emergency brake on any vehicle I've ever owned. I would love to be able to
> > use the area this thing takes up for a center console.
> >
> > Isn't the emergency brake just connect to the rear brakes, so that if the
> > brakes go out for some reason, the emergency brake isn't going to do any
> > good anyway, it's just for keeping stress off the trans when parked on an
> > incline, right?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ed in Chicago
> >
> >
use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
parked until spring....
It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
have a mechanical backup.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
> Parking Brakes.
>
> No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
> will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
> footwells of your TJ.
>
> Finally, the parking brake system is mechanical. It is operated by cables,
> not hydraulics, so if the hydraulic system fails, there is a mechanical back
> up. Since there is no way to keep pressure in the hydraulic system when your
> foot isn't there, then we need the parking brake and its ratchet mechanism
> to keep the brakes holding when nobody is there.
>
> "Edward" <nospamedward_mc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WEGdnTS3n4t_AtiiXTWJjg@comcast.com...
> > Has anyone ever removed or relocated the console mounted emergency brake
> > handle on their late model TJ? I live in a flat city and have never used
> the
> > emergency brake on any vehicle I've ever owned. I would love to be able to
> > use the area this thing takes up for a center console.
> >
> > Isn't the emergency brake just connect to the rear brakes, so that if the
> > brakes go out for some reason, the emergency brake isn't going to do any
> > good anyway, it's just for keeping stress off the trans when parked on an
> > incline, right?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ed in Chicago
> >
> >
08-22-2003, 04:57 PM
#14
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
I agree with Jeff - they are much too weedy to be an effective
"emergency brake", and as they only operate on the rear wheels, can
spin you around in the wet.
Dave
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:11:32 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
>use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
>parked until spring....
>
>It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
>have a mechanical backup.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
>> Parking Brakes.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ Sahara
"emergency brake", and as they only operate on the rear wheels, can
spin you around in the wet.
Dave
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:11:32 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
>use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
>parked until spring....
>
>It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
>have a mechanical backup.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
>> Parking Brakes.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ Sahara
08-22-2003, 04:57 PM
#15
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
I agree with Jeff - they are much too weedy to be an effective
"emergency brake", and as they only operate on the rear wheels, can
spin you around in the wet.
Dave
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:11:32 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
>use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
>parked until spring....
>
>It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
>have a mechanical backup.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
>> Parking Brakes.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ Sahara
"emergency brake", and as they only operate on the rear wheels, can
spin you around in the wet.
Dave
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:11:32 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
>use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
>parked until spring....
>
>It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
>have a mechanical backup.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
>> Parking Brakes.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ Sahara
08-22-2003, 05:17 PM
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
> use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
> parked until spring....
>
> It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
> have a mechanical backup.
>
Jesus Mike, it isn't ALWAYS 45 below 0 in Canada.
08-22-2003, 05:17 PM
#17
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F4678F4.96635577@sympatico.ca...
> Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
> use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
> parked until spring....
>
> It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
> have a mechanical backup.
>
Jesus Mike, it isn't ALWAYS 45 below 0 in Canada.
08-22-2003, 05:23 PM
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
I guess you guys have never had a MC fail?
I have and believe me it is an 'emergency' brake and works quite well at
it.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I agree with Jeff - they are much too weedy to be an effective
> "emergency brake", and as they only operate on the rear wheels, can
> spin you around in the wet.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:11:32 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
> >use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
> >parked until spring....
> >
> >It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
> >have a mechanical backup.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
> >> Parking Brakes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ Sahara
I have and believe me it is an 'emergency' brake and works quite well at
it.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I agree with Jeff - they are much too weedy to be an effective
> "emergency brake", and as they only operate on the rear wheels, can
> spin you around in the wet.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:11:32 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
> >use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
> >parked until spring....
> >
> >It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
> >have a mechanical backup.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
> >> Parking Brakes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ Sahara
08-22-2003, 05:23 PM
#19
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
I guess you guys have never had a MC fail?
I have and believe me it is an 'emergency' brake and works quite well at
it.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I agree with Jeff - they are much too weedy to be an effective
> "emergency brake", and as they only operate on the rear wheels, can
> spin you around in the wet.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:11:32 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
> >use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
> >parked until spring....
> >
> >It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
> >have a mechanical backup.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
> >> Parking Brakes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ Sahara
I have and believe me it is an 'emergency' brake and works quite well at
it.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I agree with Jeff - they are much too weedy to be an effective
> "emergency brake", and as they only operate on the rear wheels, can
> spin you around in the wet.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:11:32 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Maybe it's a 'parking brake' down south, but you 'sure' don't want to
> >use it for that up here. Put it on in the winter and you vehicle stays
> >parked until spring....
> >
> >It is an 'emergency' brake for when your main brakes fail. Then you
> >have a mechanical backup.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >> Your first mistake is in referring to them as Emergency Brakes, they are
> >> Parking Brakes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ Sahara
08-22-2003, 05:56 PM
#20
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Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
Mike Romain wrote:
> I guess you guys have never had a MC fail?
>
> I have and believe me it is an 'emergency' brake and works quite well at
> it.
Yeppers. It's both.
Parking brakes are more for standard trannies since autos have parking pawls.
Although it is recommended to use the parking brake on slopes even if you have
an auto.
As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
for a while.. a long while..
The first thing you should do when the brakes fail is pump the brakes, that
can give you enough pressure to stop. Next is shift down in gears and let
the engine/tranny slow you down. Then the emergency brake but make sure
your going straight or the ends are going to swap places.
(of course on a nice iced parking lot, the emergency brake can also be
called a wahoo lever) :)
--
DougW
> I guess you guys have never had a MC fail?
>
> I have and believe me it is an 'emergency' brake and works quite well at
> it.
Yeppers. It's both.
Parking brakes are more for standard trannies since autos have parking pawls.
Although it is recommended to use the parking brake on slopes even if you have
an auto.
As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
for a while.. a long while..
The first thing you should do when the brakes fail is pump the brakes, that
can give you enough pressure to stop. Next is shift down in gears and let
the engine/tranny slow you down. Then the emergency brake but make sure
your going straight or the ends are going to swap places.
(of course on a nice iced parking lot, the emergency brake can also be
called a wahoo lever) :)
--
DougW