Re: removing the rear track bar
 

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:

>
>>>
>>> Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>> That's what I call it, anyway.
>>> Spdloader
>>
>> The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>> is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>> mentioned.
>>
>> The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>> this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>
>> Mike
>
>That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>unhook it, at all.
>
>Spdloader
>
On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
way it drove, then or now.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM


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Re: removing the rear track bar
 

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:

>
>>>
>>> Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>> That's what I call it, anyway.
>>> Spdloader
>>
>> The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>> is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>> mentioned.
>>
>> The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>> this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>
>> Mike
>
>That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>unhook it, at all.
>
>Spdloader
>
On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
way it drove, then or now.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM


--
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Re: removing the rear track bar
 

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
<askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:

>
>>>
>>> Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>> That's what I call it, anyway.
>>> Spdloader
>>
>> The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>> is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>> mentioned.
>>
>> The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>> this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>
>> Mike
>
>That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>unhook it, at all.
>
>Spdloader
>
On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
way it drove, then or now.
--
Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM


--
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Re: removing the rear track bar
 

Old Crow wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>>> That's what I call it, anyway.
>>>> Spdloader
>>> The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>>> is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>>> mentioned.
>>>
>>> The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>>> this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>> unhook it, at all.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
> On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
> don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
> Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
> Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
> them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
> it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
> rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
> handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
> Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
> underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
> way it drove, then or now.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>
>
Well for some 'strange' reason, when the engineers designed the soft
sprung 'Yuppie Jeep', they decided it needed track bars to be safe on
the road.

This 'might' have something to do with the tendency of the short
wheelbase Jeep to roll over in sharp maneuvers so they want to keep the
weight centered over the axle rather than allowing the weight to shift
the vehicle sideways as you go into a corner.

Have you ever driven your YJ with it's full legal load on it? I drive
my CJ7 that way all the time when going camping and I really notice the
extra lean that happens.

I also have been in an accident where the person that hit me might up
and die and was told point blank if any of my 'safety' features like the
track bar or anti-sway bar were disconnected, instead of 'me' being hit
in an unfortunate accident, I would be charged as the 'at fault' driver
and maybe face homicide charges because I 'maybe' could have avoided him
had my Jeep been 100% up to spec. Thankfully I keep my Jeep 100% up to
spec and was found not at fault.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: removing the rear track bar
 

Old Crow wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>>> That's what I call it, anyway.
>>>> Spdloader
>>> The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>>> is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>>> mentioned.
>>>
>>> The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>>> this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>> unhook it, at all.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
> On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
> don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
> Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
> Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
> them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
> it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
> rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
> handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
> Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
> underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
> way it drove, then or now.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>
>
Well for some 'strange' reason, when the engineers designed the soft
sprung 'Yuppie Jeep', they decided it needed track bars to be safe on
the road.

This 'might' have something to do with the tendency of the short
wheelbase Jeep to roll over in sharp maneuvers so they want to keep the
weight centered over the axle rather than allowing the weight to shift
the vehicle sideways as you go into a corner.

Have you ever driven your YJ with it's full legal load on it? I drive
my CJ7 that way all the time when going camping and I really notice the
extra lean that happens.

I also have been in an accident where the person that hit me might up
and die and was told point blank if any of my 'safety' features like the
track bar or anti-sway bar were disconnected, instead of 'me' being hit
in an unfortunate accident, I would be charged as the 'at fault' driver
and maybe face homicide charges because I 'maybe' could have avoided him
had my Jeep been 100% up to spec. Thankfully I keep my Jeep 100% up to
spec and was found not at fault.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: removing the rear track bar
 

Old Crow wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>>> That's what I call it, anyway.
>>>> Spdloader
>>> The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>>> is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>>> mentioned.
>>>
>>> The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>>> this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>> unhook it, at all.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
> On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
> don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
> Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
> Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
> them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
> it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
> rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
> handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
> Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
> underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
> way it drove, then or now.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>
>
Well for some 'strange' reason, when the engineers designed the soft
sprung 'Yuppie Jeep', they decided it needed track bars to be safe on
the road.

This 'might' have something to do with the tendency of the short
wheelbase Jeep to roll over in sharp maneuvers so they want to keep the
weight centered over the axle rather than allowing the weight to shift
the vehicle sideways as you go into a corner.

Have you ever driven your YJ with it's full legal load on it? I drive
my CJ7 that way all the time when going camping and I really notice the
extra lean that happens.

I also have been in an accident where the person that hit me might up
and die and was told point blank if any of my 'safety' features like the
track bar or anti-sway bar were disconnected, instead of 'me' being hit
in an unfortunate accident, I would be charged as the 'at fault' driver
and maybe face homicide charges because I 'maybe' could have avoided him
had my Jeep been 100% up to spec. Thankfully I keep my Jeep 100% up to
spec and was found not at fault.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: removing the rear track bar
 

Old Crow wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>>> That's what I call it, anyway.
>>>> Spdloader
>>> The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>>> is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>>> mentioned.
>>>
>>> The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>>> this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>> unhook it, at all.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
> On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
> don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
> Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
> Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
> them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
> it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
> rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
> handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
> Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
> underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
> way it drove, then or now.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>
>
Well for some 'strange' reason, when the engineers designed the soft
sprung 'Yuppie Jeep', they decided it needed track bars to be safe on
the road.

This 'might' have something to do with the tendency of the short
wheelbase Jeep to roll over in sharp maneuvers so they want to keep the
weight centered over the axle rather than allowing the weight to shift
the vehicle sideways as you go into a corner.

Have you ever driven your YJ with it's full legal load on it? I drive
my CJ7 that way all the time when going camping and I really notice the
extra lean that happens.

I also have been in an accident where the person that hit me might up
and die and was told point blank if any of my 'safety' features like the
track bar or anti-sway bar were disconnected, instead of 'me' being hit
in an unfortunate accident, I would be charged as the 'at fault' driver
and maybe face homicide charges because I 'maybe' could have avoided him
had my Jeep been 100% up to spec. Thankfully I keep my Jeep 100% up to
spec and was found not at fault.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: removing the rear track bar
 

On my YJ with no track bar, the axle will shift over an inch or so just
making the hard turn into my up hill driveway. I fixed it before I went
off road again, suspect I would have had serious rub problems with 31"
tires. Accident avoidance on the highway would depend a lot on tire
adhesion and road conditions. I'd imagine that sliding into a curb
without a track bar could be interesting.

Old Crow wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>>>That's what I call it, anyway.
>>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>>>is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>>>mentioned.
>>>
>>>The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>>>this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>>unhook it, at all.
>>
>>Spdloader
>>
>
> On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
> don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
> Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
> Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
> them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
> it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
> rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
> handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
> Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
> underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
> way it drove, then or now.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>
>

Re: removing the rear track bar
 

On my YJ with no track bar, the axle will shift over an inch or so just
making the hard turn into my up hill driveway. I fixed it before I went
off road again, suspect I would have had serious rub problems with 31"
tires. Accident avoidance on the highway would depend a lot on tire
adhesion and road conditions. I'd imagine that sliding into a curb
without a track bar could be interesting.

Old Crow wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>>>That's what I call it, anyway.
>>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>>>is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>>>mentioned.
>>>
>>>The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>>>this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>>unhook it, at all.
>>
>>Spdloader
>>
>
> On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
> don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
> Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
> Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
> them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
> it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
> rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
> handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
> Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
> underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
> way it drove, then or now.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>
>

Re: removing the rear track bar
 

On my YJ with no track bar, the axle will shift over an inch or so just
making the hard turn into my up hill driveway. I fixed it before I went
off road again, suspect I would have had serious rub problems with 31"
tires. Accident avoidance on the highway would depend a lot on tire
adhesion and road conditions. I'd imagine that sliding into a curb
without a track bar could be interesting.

Old Crow wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:40:57 -0400, "Spdloader"
> <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Is he talking about the rear "panhard rod"?
>>>>That's what I call it, anyway.
>>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>The track bar is the one that holds the axle from going side to side and
>>>is a major player in preventing death wobble among the other things
>>>mentioned.
>>>
>>>The CJ7 with it's shorter shackles and really stiff leafs doesn't have
>>>this leaning and tracking issue like the softer YJ has.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>That's what I thought, we old timers call that a panhard rod. NOT good to
>>unhook it, at all.
>>
>>Spdloader
>>
>
> On a coil spring vehicle, I'll buy this. On a leaf spring vehicle I
> don't. Take a look at various pickups and even older passenger cars.
> Leaf springs in the rear and no "track bar".
> Both our Jeeps are approaching the 250k mile mark and neither one of
> them have any handling problems. My '95 actually had the track bar on
> it when I bought it. I took it off when it broke and started to
> rattle against the bottom of the body. Never saw a difference in
> handling and I was driving 135 miles a day back then.
> Several months later I bought my wife's '94 and while crawling around
> underneath noticed that her's was already gone. Couldn't tell by the
> way it drove, then or now.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolsun!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
>
>