Bob

Mike,

While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
ice.

Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
lucky, one blizzard ;-)

/Bob


Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
>
> You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
>
> Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
>
> On snow, they just get up on top and float.
>
> I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> 4-6" of snow.
>
> I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Macky wrote:
> >
> > Hi Del,
> >
> > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
> > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
> > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
> > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
> > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
> > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
> > locked up or hurt others.
> >
> > MACKY
> >
> > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > >
> > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
> > >
> > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> > > is the year of manufacture?
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Bob

Mike,

While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
ice.

Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
lucky, one blizzard ;-)

/Bob


Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
>
> You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
>
> Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
>
> On snow, they just get up on top and float.
>
> I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> 4-6" of snow.
>
> I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Macky wrote:
> >
> > Hi Del,
> >
> > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
> > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
> > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
> > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
> > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
> > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
> > locked up or hurt others.
> >
> > MACKY
> >
> > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > >
> > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
> > >
> > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> > > is the year of manufacture?
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Bob

Mike,

While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
ice.

Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
lucky, one blizzard ;-)

/Bob


Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
>
> You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
>
> Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
>
> On snow, they just get up on top and float.
>
> I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> 4-6" of snow.
>
> I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Macky wrote:
> >
> > Hi Del,
> >
> > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
> > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
> > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
> > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
> > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
> > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
> > locked up or hurt others.
> >
> > MACKY
> >
> > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > >
> > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
> > >
> > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> > > is the year of manufacture?
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Mike Romain

There is no comparison in my opinion!

I am in 4x4 for weeks at a time sometimes and do have to travel.

In snow we tend to drive almost the speed limit up here, so being able
to keep up to traffic takes on a whole new meaning....

One of the saying is 'you know you are Canadian, when grandma and
grandpa drive at 65 mph for 2 hours in a blizzard to go visiting without
flinching.'

When I lived out west, we lost sight of the pavement in September and it
didn't come back until April or May sometimes.

My CJ7 was 'very' unsafe at anything over 40-45 mph with 10.5 muds on
it. Very unsafe. Driving 'white knuckle' every day to get to work was
really hard on the nerves.

If I was running 12.5's for looks, although I don't know why I would do
that seeing as I like function, I would certainly have a second set of
rims with 'real' snow tires on them. You know, tall skinny ones like
P225-75's or thinner.

Even my 7.5" wide mud tread is noticeable better than the P235-75 AT's
that measure in at 8.5" on the tread.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
> flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
> them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
> if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
> fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
> complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
> So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
> MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
> could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
> definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
> ice.
>
> Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
> snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
> about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
> lucky, one blizzard ;-)
>
> /Bob
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> > So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
> >
> > You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> > unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
> >
> > Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> > unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
> >
> > On snow, they just get up on top and float.
> >
> > I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> > 4-6" of snow.
> >
> > I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> > can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Macky wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Del,
> > >
> > > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
> > > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
> > > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
> > > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
> > > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
> > > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
> > > locked up or hurt others.
> > >
> > > MACKY
> > >
> > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > > >
> > > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> > > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> > > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> > > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> > > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
> > > >
> > > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> > > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> > > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> > > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> > > > is the year of manufacture?
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Mike Romain

There is no comparison in my opinion!

I am in 4x4 for weeks at a time sometimes and do have to travel.

In snow we tend to drive almost the speed limit up here, so being able
to keep up to traffic takes on a whole new meaning....

One of the saying is 'you know you are Canadian, when grandma and
grandpa drive at 65 mph for 2 hours in a blizzard to go visiting without
flinching.'

When I lived out west, we lost sight of the pavement in September and it
didn't come back until April or May sometimes.

My CJ7 was 'very' unsafe at anything over 40-45 mph with 10.5 muds on
it. Very unsafe. Driving 'white knuckle' every day to get to work was
really hard on the nerves.

If I was running 12.5's for looks, although I don't know why I would do
that seeing as I like function, I would certainly have a second set of
rims with 'real' snow tires on them. You know, tall skinny ones like
P225-75's or thinner.

Even my 7.5" wide mud tread is noticeable better than the P235-75 AT's
that measure in at 8.5" on the tread.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
> flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
> them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
> if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
> fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
> complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
> So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
> MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
> could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
> definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
> ice.
>
> Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
> snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
> about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
> lucky, one blizzard ;-)
>
> /Bob
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> > So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
> >
> > You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> > unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
> >
> > Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> > unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
> >
> > On snow, they just get up on top and float.
> >
> > I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> > 4-6" of snow.
> >
> > I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> > can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Macky wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Del,
> > >
> > > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
> > > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
> > > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
> > > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
> > > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
> > > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
> > > locked up or hurt others.
> > >
> > > MACKY
> > >
> > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > > >
> > > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> > > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> > > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> > > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> > > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
> > > >
> > > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> > > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> > > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> > > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> > > > is the year of manufacture?
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Mike Romain

There is no comparison in my opinion!

I am in 4x4 for weeks at a time sometimes and do have to travel.

In snow we tend to drive almost the speed limit up here, so being able
to keep up to traffic takes on a whole new meaning....

One of the saying is 'you know you are Canadian, when grandma and
grandpa drive at 65 mph for 2 hours in a blizzard to go visiting without
flinching.'

When I lived out west, we lost sight of the pavement in September and it
didn't come back until April or May sometimes.

My CJ7 was 'very' unsafe at anything over 40-45 mph with 10.5 muds on
it. Very unsafe. Driving 'white knuckle' every day to get to work was
really hard on the nerves.

If I was running 12.5's for looks, although I don't know why I would do
that seeing as I like function, I would certainly have a second set of
rims with 'real' snow tires on them. You know, tall skinny ones like
P225-75's or thinner.

Even my 7.5" wide mud tread is noticeable better than the P235-75 AT's
that measure in at 8.5" on the tread.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
> flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
> them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
> if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
> fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
> complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
> So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
> MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
> could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
> definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
> ice.
>
> Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
> snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
> about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
> lucky, one blizzard ;-)
>
> /Bob
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> > So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
> >
> > You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> > unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
> >
> > Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> > unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
> >
> > On snow, they just get up on top and float.
> >
> > I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> > 4-6" of snow.
> >
> > I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> > can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Macky wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Del,
> > >
> > > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
> > > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
> > > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
> > > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
> > > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
> > > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
> > > locked up or hurt others.
> > >
> > > MACKY
> > >
> > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > > >
> > > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> > > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> > > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> > > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> > > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
> > > >
> > > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> > > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> > > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> > > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> > > > is the year of manufacture?
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Mike Romain

There is no comparison in my opinion!

I am in 4x4 for weeks at a time sometimes and do have to travel.

In snow we tend to drive almost the speed limit up here, so being able
to keep up to traffic takes on a whole new meaning....

One of the saying is 'you know you are Canadian, when grandma and
grandpa drive at 65 mph for 2 hours in a blizzard to go visiting without
flinching.'

When I lived out west, we lost sight of the pavement in September and it
didn't come back until April or May sometimes.

My CJ7 was 'very' unsafe at anything over 40-45 mph with 10.5 muds on
it. Very unsafe. Driving 'white knuckle' every day to get to work was
really hard on the nerves.

If I was running 12.5's for looks, although I don't know why I would do
that seeing as I like function, I would certainly have a second set of
rims with 'real' snow tires on them. You know, tall skinny ones like
P225-75's or thinner.

Even my 7.5" wide mud tread is noticeable better than the P235-75 AT's
that measure in at 8.5" on the tread.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
> flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
> them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
> if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
> fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
> complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
> So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
> MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
> could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
> definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
> ice.
>
> Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
> snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
> about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
> lucky, one blizzard ;-)
>
> /Bob
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> > So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
> >
> > You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> > unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
> >
> > Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> > unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
> >
> > On snow, they just get up on top and float.
> >
> > I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> > 4-6" of snow.
> >
> > I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> > can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Macky wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Del,
> > >
> > > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
> > > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
> > > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
> > > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
> > > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
> > > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
> > > locked up or hurt others.
> > >
> > > MACKY
> > >
> > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
> > > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > > >
> > > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> > > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> > > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> > > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> > > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
> > > >
> > > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> > > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> > > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> > > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> > > > is the year of manufacture?
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Guest

Sorry Mike, I also don't agree with the 12.5" being just for show. When I
had my BFG 33x12.5 on I loved them on the road and off. In the rain they
spun less then my friends 33x10.5" with a similar setup and I was able to go
through mud with a LOT more ease then him. There wasn't much that stopped
me but there was that stopped him. Having wider tires also gives you a
wider stance which will help with the center of gravity aspect also. I
would also write that skinny tires on the rocks work well too since you can
position the tires very easily. During the rock crawl in Parry Sound this
year there were a number of people scaling down their tires width and
height.

I also drove mine in the winter every day for 2 years without any problems.
The thing drove like a dream in my mind.

--
Checkout www.canadianoffroad.com!

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:408A95A0.A7DC7A0F@sympatico.ca...
> There is no comparison in my opinion!
>
> I am in 4x4 for weeks at a time sometimes and do have to travel.
>
> In snow we tend to drive almost the speed limit up here, so being able
> to keep up to traffic takes on a whole new meaning....
>
> One of the saying is 'you know you are Canadian, when grandma and
> grandpa drive at 65 mph for 2 hours in a blizzard to go visiting without
> flinching.'
>
> When I lived out west, we lost sight of the pavement in September and it
> didn't come back until April or May sometimes.
>
> My CJ7 was 'very' unsafe at anything over 40-45 mph with 10.5 muds on
> it. Very unsafe. Driving 'white knuckle' every day to get to work was
> really hard on the nerves.
>
> If I was running 12.5's for looks, although I don't know why I would do
> that seeing as I like function, I would certainly have a second set of
> rims with 'real' snow tires on them. You know, tall skinny ones like
> P225-75's or thinner.
>
> Even my 7.5" wide mud tread is noticeable better than the P235-75 AT's
> that measure in at 8.5" on the tread.
>
> Mike
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
> > flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
> > them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
> > if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
> > fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
> > complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
> > So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
> > MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
> > could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
> > definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
> > ice.
> >
> > Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
> > snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
> > about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
> > lucky, one blizzard ;-)
> >
> > /Bob
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> > > So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
> > >
> > > You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> > > unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
> > >
> > > Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> > > unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
> > >
> > > On snow, they just get up on top and float.
> > >
> > > I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> > > 4-6" of snow.
> > >
> > > I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> > > can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Macky wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Del,
> > > >
> > > > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own
and drive.
> > > > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got
four
> > > > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top
off for
> > > > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding
a Lift
> > > > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better
...... ya
> > > > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get
you
> > > > locked up or hurt others.
> > > >
> > > > MACKY
> > > >
> > > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message
> > > > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one
that
> > > > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for
anything that
> > > > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to
mold me
> > > > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if
replies
> > > > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs
instead
> > > > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from
lifting
> > > > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general,
you
> > > > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I
do
> > > > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also
think
> > > > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off
road.
> > > > >
> > > > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on
this
> > > > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will
best
> > > > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first
provide
> > > > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and
what
> > > > > is the year of manufacture?
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Guest

Sorry Mike, I also don't agree with the 12.5" being just for show. When I
had my BFG 33x12.5 on I loved them on the road and off. In the rain they
spun less then my friends 33x10.5" with a similar setup and I was able to go
through mud with a LOT more ease then him. There wasn't much that stopped
me but there was that stopped him. Having wider tires also gives you a
wider stance which will help with the center of gravity aspect also. I
would also write that skinny tires on the rocks work well too since you can
position the tires very easily. During the rock crawl in Parry Sound this
year there were a number of people scaling down their tires width and
height.

I also drove mine in the winter every day for 2 years without any problems.
The thing drove like a dream in my mind.

--
Checkout www.canadianoffroad.com!

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:408A95A0.A7DC7A0F@sympatico.ca...
> There is no comparison in my opinion!
>
> I am in 4x4 for weeks at a time sometimes and do have to travel.
>
> In snow we tend to drive almost the speed limit up here, so being able
> to keep up to traffic takes on a whole new meaning....
>
> One of the saying is 'you know you are Canadian, when grandma and
> grandpa drive at 65 mph for 2 hours in a blizzard to go visiting without
> flinching.'
>
> When I lived out west, we lost sight of the pavement in September and it
> didn't come back until April or May sometimes.
>
> My CJ7 was 'very' unsafe at anything over 40-45 mph with 10.5 muds on
> it. Very unsafe. Driving 'white knuckle' every day to get to work was
> really hard on the nerves.
>
> If I was running 12.5's for looks, although I don't know why I would do
> that seeing as I like function, I would certainly have a second set of
> rims with 'real' snow tires on them. You know, tall skinny ones like
> P225-75's or thinner.
>
> Even my 7.5" wide mud tread is noticeable better than the P235-75 AT's
> that measure in at 8.5" on the tread.
>
> Mike
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
> > flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
> > them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
> > if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
> > fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
> > complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
> > So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
> > MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
> > could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
> > definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
> > ice.
> >
> > Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
> > snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
> > about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
> > lucky, one blizzard ;-)
> >
> > /Bob
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> > > So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
> > >
> > > You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> > > unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
> > >
> > > Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> > > unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
> > >
> > > On snow, they just get up on top and float.
> > >
> > > I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> > > 4-6" of snow.
> > >
> > > I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> > > can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Macky wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Del,
> > > >
> > > > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own
and drive.
> > > > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got
four
> > > > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top
off for
> > > > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding
a Lift
> > > > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better
...... ya
> > > > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get
you
> > > > locked up or hurt others.
> > > >
> > > > MACKY
> > > >
> > > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message
> > > > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one
that
> > > > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for
anything that
> > > > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to
mold me
> > > > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if
replies
> > > > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs
instead
> > > > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from
lifting
> > > > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general,
you
> > > > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I
do
> > > > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also
think
> > > > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off
road.
> > > > >
> > > > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on
this
> > > > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will
best
> > > > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first
provide
> > > > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and
what
> > > > > is the year of manufacture?
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Guest

Sorry Mike, I also don't agree with the 12.5" being just for show. When I
had my BFG 33x12.5 on I loved them on the road and off. In the rain they
spun less then my friends 33x10.5" with a similar setup and I was able to go
through mud with a LOT more ease then him. There wasn't much that stopped
me but there was that stopped him. Having wider tires also gives you a
wider stance which will help with the center of gravity aspect also. I
would also write that skinny tires on the rocks work well too since you can
position the tires very easily. During the rock crawl in Parry Sound this
year there were a number of people scaling down their tires width and
height.

I also drove mine in the winter every day for 2 years without any problems.
The thing drove like a dream in my mind.

--
Checkout www.canadianoffroad.com!

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:408A95A0.A7DC7A0F@sympatico.ca...
> There is no comparison in my opinion!
>
> I am in 4x4 for weeks at a time sometimes and do have to travel.
>
> In snow we tend to drive almost the speed limit up here, so being able
> to keep up to traffic takes on a whole new meaning....
>
> One of the saying is 'you know you are Canadian, when grandma and
> grandpa drive at 65 mph for 2 hours in a blizzard to go visiting without
> flinching.'
>
> When I lived out west, we lost sight of the pavement in September and it
> didn't come back until April or May sometimes.
>
> My CJ7 was 'very' unsafe at anything over 40-45 mph with 10.5 muds on
> it. Very unsafe. Driving 'white knuckle' every day to get to work was
> really hard on the nerves.
>
> If I was running 12.5's for looks, although I don't know why I would do
> that seeing as I like function, I would certainly have a second set of
> rims with 'real' snow tires on them. You know, tall skinny ones like
> P225-75's or thinner.
>
> Even my 7.5" wide mud tread is noticeable better than the P235-75 AT's
> that measure in at 8.5" on the tread.
>
> Mike
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > While I realize and agree that the 12.5 width tires do cause greater
> > flotation, they're not as horrible in the snow as you like to make
> > them out to be. Yes, they can cause some extra sliding here and there
> > if you're not careful, but I've done fine with mine. I go at least as
> > fast as the other cars on the road, if not faster, while maintaining
> > complete control. I did get extra siping put in my BFG AT KOs, though.
> > So far, they've done great, even with the 12.5 width. My old ProComp
> > MT tires of the same exact size, however, were a different story...I
> > could keep up speed with most of the other vehicles, but it was
> > definitely a more difficult to keep it from trying to slide on the
> > ice.
> >
> > Granted, I live in Denver, and we don't actually get all that much
> > snow here in the city as a lot of people think we do. We'll only get
> > about 5 or 6 good snowstorms in a season to deal with, and if we're
> > lucky, one blizzard ;-)
> >
> > /Bob
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<40894095.D9A28F38@sympatico.ca>...
> > > So I take it you are going to park it for the winter now?
> > >
> > > You won't be happy with a 12.5" wide tire in the snow on the street
> > > unless all you want to do is 'look' at it.
> > >
> > > Wide tires like that are only for show, they have no real function
> > > unless you are a rock crawler, then the wide tread gives more grab.
> > >
> > > On snow, they just get up on top and float.
> > >
> > > I had 10.5's on my CJ7 and they got dangerous anywhere over 40 mph in
> > > 4-6" of snow.
> > >
> > > I now have 9.5's on and I can easily run at 55-60 mph in the snow so I
> > > can at least keep up to the transport trucks now.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Macky wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Del,
> > > >
> > > > I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own
and drive.
> > > > I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got
four
> > > > wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top
off for
> > > > the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding
a Lift
> > > > Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better
...... ya
> > > > only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get
you
> > > > locked up or hurt others.
> > > >
> > > > MACKY
> > > >
> > > > "Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message
> > > > news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> > > > > In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > > > > > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one
that
> > > > > > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for
anything that
> > > > > > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to
mold me
> > > > > > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if
replies
> > > > > > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs
instead
> > > > > > of how I should think more like you.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from
lifting
> > > > > your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general,
you
> > > > > don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I
do
> > > > > support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also
think
> > > > > you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off
road.
> > > > >
> > > > > What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on
this
> > > > > newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will
best
> > > > > meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first
provide
> > > > > some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and
what
> > > > > is the year of manufacture?
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/