Macky,

I really wouldn't worry so much about cornering, etc. Pick good shocks
and keep the swaybars connected, and it will likely handle much like
stock...or possibly even stiffer on corners (if you go with cheaper
stiffer shocks like the ProComp ES3000).

I have a 4" lift that began as a ProComp lift and is slowly turning
into a mish-mash. I have all teraflex LCAs. They feel alot like the
ProComp arms did, but since they are adjustable and flexible, are
easier on the mounts and allow me to change the rear pinion angle.

Going to a 4" lift, I would seriously consider a long-arm kit from one
of the manufacturers (Tera, Rubicon Express, Full Traction, etc.). It
will keep a better on-road ride for you by flattening the control arms
out more, so more of the impact force from bumps on the road goes up,
into the spring, and less can go up into the vertical component of the
angle of your control arms. My friend's longarm kit does ride smoother
than my short arms. The LA (Long Arm) kits are a bit more pricey in
general, but hey, like you said, it's your money.

Another thing to consider when going to a 4" lift. You WILL have
driveline vibrations caused by the steeper angle of the rear
driveshaft. You will need to have a "Slip Yoke Eliminator" (SYE) kit
installed on your transfer case, and have a "CV DriveShaft" installed
in the rear, with your rear axle pinion then changed to point directly
at the transfer case output. If you don't do this, you will wear your
rear driveshaft U-Joints out in quick order, and produce annoying
vibrations at various speed ranges, especially at the speeds attained
in 3rd gear (oddly enough). BTW, yes, some kits do come with transfer
case "drop" kits. Unfortunately, even with one of these drops, a 4"
lift can and probably will produce vibes (I speak from my own personal
experience). They aren't an end-all solution.

You may also one day want to re-gear your differentials to something
around 4.11:1 for the larger tires (33" I'm guessing, for a 4" lift)
you're going to end up running. This can wait though, and won't be
quite as urgent since you don't go off-road. But you will notice an
annoying lack of power since your transmission's gearing will be too
high for your engine in many situations, rendering your 5th gear
pretty much useless. If you have the upgraded factory 3.73:1 ratio it
won't be as bad, but if you have the crappy 3.07 gears, you'll
definitely notice it.

As you can see, a lift definitely puts you on a slippery slope of
needed other modifications; it's not as quick, cheap, and simple as
the lift kit manufacturers like to make it seem. Some kits (such as
the Rubicon Express LA kit do include extra items you'll need, such as
the SYE kit and CV driveshaft), which can help. You should take that
into account when pricing your chosen kit. If you go smaller (2" or so
lift and maybe 31" or 32" tires), you can get away with less up-front
expenditure, as your driveline angles won't be affected so badly and
your tires will be smaller and not detrimentally affect your current
differential gearing driveability as much.

Good luck in what you choose.

Oh, and once you do the mods, take it off-road! I know you don't think
you want to now, but you have to try it. It's a blast, and you may
find you have a new favorite hobby once you do.

/Bob


"Macky" <ZZZdouble5@mybizz.netZZZ> wrote in message news:<Q6Mhc.93012$_g4.20605954@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv .net>...
> Thanks GK .... that was one of the ones that was high on my list .... from
> what I had read it sounded like it fit my needs. How much is cornering
> afftected by putting in a 4" lift? Does it becomes sloppy on lane changes,
> or worse yet raise the Center of gravity enough to make it street dangerous?
>
> MACKY
>
> "GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:09Dhc.10902$hR1.7840@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Sorry,
> >
> > http://www.teraflx.com
> >
> > GK
> >
> > "GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:o8Dhc.10898$hR1.4794@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > > http://www.terflx.com
> > >
> > > GK
> > >
> > > "Macky" <ZZZdouble5@mybizz.netZZZ> wrote in message
> > > news:zJChc.87612$_g4.18834988@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > > > I won't be doing any off-roading. I use my Jeep for highway driving.
> Would
> > > > like a ride that is not real harsh but I don't want to be top heavy
> and
> lean
> > > > out on turns. I'm not concerned about the cost as much as wanting a
> quality
> > > > kit. I don't want to screw things up with my Steering or alignment.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestions appreciated .... MACKY
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

 

Macky,

I really wouldn't worry so much about cornering, etc. Pick good shocks
and keep the swaybars connected, and it will likely handle much like
stock...or possibly even stiffer on corners (if you go with cheaper
stiffer shocks like the ProComp ES3000).

I have a 4" lift that began as a ProComp lift and is slowly turning
into a mish-mash. I have all teraflex LCAs. They feel alot like the
ProComp arms did, but since they are adjustable and flexible, are
easier on the mounts and allow me to change the rear pinion angle.

Going to a 4" lift, I would seriously consider a long-arm kit from one
of the manufacturers (Tera, Rubicon Express, Full Traction, etc.). It
will keep a better on-road ride for you by flattening the control arms
out more, so more of the impact force from bumps on the road goes up,
into the spring, and less can go up into the vertical component of the
angle of your control arms. My friend's longarm kit does ride smoother
than my short arms. The LA (Long Arm) kits are a bit more pricey in
general, but hey, like you said, it's your money.

Another thing to consider when going to a 4" lift. You WILL have
driveline vibrations caused by the steeper angle of the rear
driveshaft. You will need to have a "Slip Yoke Eliminator" (SYE) kit
installed on your transfer case, and have a "CV DriveShaft" installed
in the rear, with your rear axle pinion then changed to point directly
at the transfer case output. If you don't do this, you will wear your
rear driveshaft U-Joints out in quick order, and produce annoying
vibrations at various speed ranges, especially at the speeds attained
in 3rd gear (oddly enough). BTW, yes, some kits do come with transfer
case "drop" kits. Unfortunately, even with one of these drops, a 4"
lift can and probably will produce vibes (I speak from my own personal
experience). They aren't an end-all solution.

You may also one day want to re-gear your differentials to something
around 4.11:1 for the larger tires (33" I'm guessing, for a 4" lift)
you're going to end up running. This can wait though, and won't be
quite as urgent since you don't go off-road. But you will notice an
annoying lack of power since your transmission's gearing will be too
high for your engine in many situations, rendering your 5th gear
pretty much useless. If you have the upgraded factory 3.73:1 ratio it
won't be as bad, but if you have the crappy 3.07 gears, you'll
definitely notice it.

As you can see, a lift definitely puts you on a slippery slope of
needed other modifications; it's not as quick, cheap, and simple as
the lift kit manufacturers like to make it seem. Some kits (such as
the Rubicon Express LA kit do include extra items you'll need, such as
the SYE kit and CV driveshaft), which can help. You should take that
into account when pricing your chosen kit. If you go smaller (2" or so
lift and maybe 31" or 32" tires), you can get away with less up-front
expenditure, as your driveline angles won't be affected so badly and
your tires will be smaller and not detrimentally affect your current
differential gearing driveability as much.

Good luck in what you choose.

Oh, and once you do the mods, take it off-road! I know you don't think
you want to now, but you have to try it. It's a blast, and you may
find you have a new favorite hobby once you do.

/Bob


"Macky" <ZZZdouble5@mybizz.netZZZ> wrote in message news:<Q6Mhc.93012$_g4.20605954@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv .net>...
> Thanks GK .... that was one of the ones that was high on my list .... from
> what I had read it sounded like it fit my needs. How much is cornering
> afftected by putting in a 4" lift? Does it becomes sloppy on lane changes,
> or worse yet raise the Center of gravity enough to make it street dangerous?
>
> MACKY
>
> "GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:09Dhc.10902$hR1.7840@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Sorry,
> >
> > http://www.teraflx.com
> >
> > GK
> >
> > "GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:o8Dhc.10898$hR1.4794@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > > http://www.terflx.com
> > >
> > > GK
> > >
> > > "Macky" <ZZZdouble5@mybizz.netZZZ> wrote in message
> > > news:zJChc.87612$_g4.18834988@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > > > I won't be doing any off-roading. I use my Jeep for highway driving.
> Would
> > > > like a ride that is not real harsh but I don't want to be top heavy
> and
> lean
> > > > out on turns. I'm not concerned about the cost as much as wanting a
> quality
> > > > kit. I don't want to screw things up with my Steering or alignment.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestions appreciated .... MACKY
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

 

Macky,

I really wouldn't worry so much about cornering, etc. Pick good shocks
and keep the swaybars connected, and it will likely handle much like
stock...or possibly even stiffer on corners (if you go with cheaper
stiffer shocks like the ProComp ES3000).

I have a 4" lift that began as a ProComp lift and is slowly turning
into a mish-mash. I have all teraflex LCAs. They feel alot like the
ProComp arms did, but since they are adjustable and flexible, are
easier on the mounts and allow me to change the rear pinion angle.

Going to a 4" lift, I would seriously consider a long-arm kit from one
of the manufacturers (Tera, Rubicon Express, Full Traction, etc.). It
will keep a better on-road ride for you by flattening the control arms
out more, so more of the impact force from bumps on the road goes up,
into the spring, and less can go up into the vertical component of the
angle of your control arms. My friend's longarm kit does ride smoother
than my short arms. The LA (Long Arm) kits are a bit more pricey in
general, but hey, like you said, it's your money.

Another thing to consider when going to a 4" lift. You WILL have
driveline vibrations caused by the steeper angle of the rear
driveshaft. You will need to have a "Slip Yoke Eliminator" (SYE) kit
installed on your transfer case, and have a "CV DriveShaft" installed
in the rear, with your rear axle pinion then changed to point directly
at the transfer case output. If you don't do this, you will wear your
rear driveshaft U-Joints out in quick order, and produce annoying
vibrations at various speed ranges, especially at the speeds attained
in 3rd gear (oddly enough). BTW, yes, some kits do come with transfer
case "drop" kits. Unfortunately, even with one of these drops, a 4"
lift can and probably will produce vibes (I speak from my own personal
experience). They aren't an end-all solution.

You may also one day want to re-gear your differentials to something
around 4.11:1 for the larger tires (33" I'm guessing, for a 4" lift)
you're going to end up running. This can wait though, and won't be
quite as urgent since you don't go off-road. But you will notice an
annoying lack of power since your transmission's gearing will be too
high for your engine in many situations, rendering your 5th gear
pretty much useless. If you have the upgraded factory 3.73:1 ratio it
won't be as bad, but if you have the crappy 3.07 gears, you'll
definitely notice it.

As you can see, a lift definitely puts you on a slippery slope of
needed other modifications; it's not as quick, cheap, and simple as
the lift kit manufacturers like to make it seem. Some kits (such as
the Rubicon Express LA kit do include extra items you'll need, such as
the SYE kit and CV driveshaft), which can help. You should take that
into account when pricing your chosen kit. If you go smaller (2" or so
lift and maybe 31" or 32" tires), you can get away with less up-front
expenditure, as your driveline angles won't be affected so badly and
your tires will be smaller and not detrimentally affect your current
differential gearing driveability as much.

Good luck in what you choose.

Oh, and once you do the mods, take it off-road! I know you don't think
you want to now, but you have to try it. It's a blast, and you may
find you have a new favorite hobby once you do.

/Bob


"Macky" <ZZZdouble5@mybizz.netZZZ> wrote in message news:<Q6Mhc.93012$_g4.20605954@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv .net>...
> Thanks GK .... that was one of the ones that was high on my list .... from
> what I had read it sounded like it fit my needs. How much is cornering
> afftected by putting in a 4" lift? Does it becomes sloppy on lane changes,
> or worse yet raise the Center of gravity enough to make it street dangerous?
>
> MACKY
>
> "GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:09Dhc.10902$hR1.7840@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Sorry,
> >
> > http://www.teraflx.com
> >
> > GK
> >
> > "GK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:o8Dhc.10898$hR1.4794@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > > http://www.terflx.com
> > >
> > > GK
> > >
> > > "Macky" <ZZZdouble5@mybizz.netZZZ> wrote in message
> > > news:zJChc.87612$_g4.18834988@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv. net...
> > > > I won't be doing any off-roading. I use my Jeep for highway driving.
> Would
> > > > like a ride that is not real harsh but I don't want to be top heavy
> and
> lean
> > > > out on turns. I'm not concerned about the cost as much as wanting a
> quality
> > > > kit. I don't want to screw things up with my Steering or alignment.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestions appreciated .... MACKY
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

 

Hi Macky,
What is easy for most to understand, is stock your TJ will cornner
very close to a regular passenger car, like the turns we see marked for
a speed limit, you may now exceed that speed by about twenty miles an
hour, without feeling any leaning or lost of traction, with a four inch
lift and probably the 32" tires that make it look good, you'll then be
limited to the posted speed as your maximum, before it rolls.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Macky wrote:
>
> Thanks GK .... that was one of the ones that was high on my list .... from
> what I had read it sounded like it fit my needs. How much is cornering
> afftected by putting in a 4" lift? Does it becomes sloppy on lane changes,
> or worse yet raise the Center of gravity enough to make it street dangerous?
>
> MACKY

 

Hi Macky,
What is easy for most to understand, is stock your TJ will cornner
very close to a regular passenger car, like the turns we see marked for
a speed limit, you may now exceed that speed by about twenty miles an
hour, without feeling any leaning or lost of traction, with a four inch
lift and probably the 32" tires that make it look good, you'll then be
limited to the posted speed as your maximum, before it rolls.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Macky wrote:
>
> Thanks GK .... that was one of the ones that was high on my list .... from
> what I had read it sounded like it fit my needs. How much is cornering
> afftected by putting in a 4" lift? Does it becomes sloppy on lane changes,
> or worse yet raise the Center of gravity enough to make it street dangerous?
>
> MACKY

 

Hi Macky,
What is easy for most to understand, is stock your TJ will cornner
very close to a regular passenger car, like the turns we see marked for
a speed limit, you may now exceed that speed by about twenty miles an
hour, without feeling any leaning or lost of traction, with a four inch
lift and probably the 32" tires that make it look good, you'll then be
limited to the posted speed as your maximum, before it rolls.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Macky wrote:
>
> Thanks GK .... that was one of the ones that was high on my list .... from
> what I had read it sounded like it fit my needs. How much is cornering
> afftected by putting in a 4" lift? Does it becomes sloppy on lane changes,
> or worse yet raise the Center of gravity enough to make it street dangerous?
>
> MACKY

 

Hi Macky,
What is easy for most to understand, is stock your TJ will cornner
very close to a regular passenger car, like the turns we see marked for
a speed limit, you may now exceed that speed by about twenty miles an
hour, without feeling any leaning or lost of traction, with a four inch
lift and probably the 32" tires that make it look good, you'll then be
limited to the posted speed as your maximum, before it rolls.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Macky wrote:
>
> Thanks GK .... that was one of the ones that was high on my list .... from
> what I had read it sounded like it fit my needs. How much is cornering
> afftected by putting in a 4" lift? Does it becomes sloppy on lane changes,
> or worse yet raise the Center of gravity enough to make it street dangerous?
>
> MACKY

 

Hi Del,

I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
locked up or hurt others.

MACKY

"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > of how I should think more like you.
>
> That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
>
> What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> is the year of manufacture?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

Hi Del,

I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
locked up or hurt others.

MACKY

"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > of how I should think more like you.
>
> That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
>
> What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> is the year of manufacture?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

 

Hi Del,

I personally think my Jeep is a Great looking, fun vehicle to own and drive.
I live in snow country and couldn't ask for a better vehicle. Got four
wheel drive for winter (and a hardtop) take the doors off and top off for
the summer. It's fun to drive and I love the way it looks. Adding a Lift
Kit and wheels with 33 x 12.5 tires will make it look even better ..... ya
only go through once .... get off on whatever you can that won't get you
locked up or hurt others.

MACKY

"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20040422064949764-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
> In <P6Mhc.93010$_g4.20605757@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t> Macky wrote:
> > With all due respect .... the last time I looked I was the one that
> > paid for my Jeep and I'm the one that will be paying for anything that
> > I do to it ..... that being said, I appreciate your desires to mold me
> > mind into your way of thinking .... but it would be GREAT if replies
> > were directed to opinions about a lift kit that fits my needs instead
> > of how I should think more like you.
>
> That is quite true and nobody here will try to stop you from lifting
> your Jeep. On this newsgroup, however, as with usenet in general, you
> don't get to pick and choose which opinions you will receive. I do
> support your right to modify your vehicle as you see fit, but also think
> you are being silly by lifting a Jeep which won't be going off road.
>
> What you seem to have missed in my post is the fact that nobody on this
> newsgroup can as of yet render an opinion as to which lift will best
> meet your needs. In order for this to happen you must first provide
> some basic information about your Jeep, like which model is it and what
> is the year of manufacture?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/