SoK66

"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126364004_6199@spool6-east.superfeed.net...

> Yep, 31" is pushing it, depending on how you drive. I had a spare 31"
> mounted to my stock 92YJ carrier for about 5 years and eventually
> developed a crack in the tailgate from the stress.>

> I recommend going with an aftermarket frame-attached swing-out spare tire
> carrier, if it's within the budget..>

Another trend that's sort of evolved, because of the weight, rattling,
expense & failure prone nature of some of these aftermarket bumper/tire
carriers (even those "rated " for up to 38" tires), a lot of folks no longer
carry spare tires. They've installed on board air of some type, keep a plug
kit with them for punctures & rips.

The benefit is big, big reduction in weight on the rear suspension, like
maybe 300 lbs, and a lot less cost. The risk is you'll rip a sidewall so bad
you can't plug it enough to get off the trail. (I've nevers seen this
happen, but....)

I started running 36" IROKS last month, up from 35s. I've decided to toss
the spare, and keep it in the truck or on the trailer. I'll just run a small
rear bumper so I have a strap point.

Peter Pontbriand

Yep, 2000 lb trailer spindle meant to be welded to the end of round tubing.
I have it welded to a hole in the the narrow edge of a piece of 2" x 4" x
3/16" steel tubing. It has held up for a couple of years with a 33"x12.5"
MT/R on a steel wheel mounted to it. I also occasionally have a rack with a
100 lb load, 5 gallons of gas, and 5 gallons of water attached to that
carrier. However, out of sheer paranoia I ratchet strap the carrier to the
roll bar when I have that much weight on it. I think what has made mine last
as long as it has is the fact that I made it so that it closes against a bit
of hocket puck that's bolted to the tailgate. The over-center latch I use to
close the carrier forces it into the hockey puck so that it doesn't sway
back-and-forth as the Jeep moves. I think that reduces the rate of metal
fatigue, which is what I assume is happening to all those carriers that I
hear about snapping off. True, each time I close and open the carrier,
there's a minute amount of bending in the spindle area which I assume causes
fatigue in itself, but I open and close it a lot less frequently that a
"freestanding" carrier sways back-and-forth while driving.

/Peter

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43231702.3257FB48@sympatico.ca...
> He is going to have to chop a hole in the bumper so the welder can get
> to the underside of the mount to fix it. Just welding it from the top
> won't do it although I don't think just rewelding something back the
> same that couldn't handle the stress in the first place will work for
> ----.
>
> I think the design is flawed for that big of a spare. (33x10.5" mud)
>
> Peter 'looked' like he had a solid mount on his. It was an axle spindle
> I believe that was meant to be welded in place.
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
> >
> > Well..... it was cracked already and we gave it a good going-over when
were
> > off-roading.
> >
> > Did you get it welded up?
> >
> > --
> > .
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43230A77.6D97C6A0@sympatico.ca...
> > > Yup, it didn't survive the trip out.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Billy Ray wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Steve's?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> .
> > >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> > >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > >> .
> > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > >> news:4322F8A5.2618B31@sympatico.ca...
> > >> >A 31 tore off the rear fenders on my CJ7 after about 3 years of my
off
> > >> > road abuse...
> > >> >
> > >> > I even saw one of those frame mount ones fail totally with a 33 on
it
> > >> > last week. It was hangin' in sort of, but didn't survive the trip
out
> > >> > of the bush.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mike
> > >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >> >
> > >> > Terry Jeffrey wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Yep, 31" is pushing it, depending on how you drive. I had a spare
31"
> > >> >> mounted to my stock 92YJ carrier for about 5 years and eventually
> > >> >> developed
> > >> >> a crack in the tailgate from the stress.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I recommend going with an aftermarket frame-attached swing-out
spare
> > >> >> tire
> > >> >> carrier, if it's within the budget..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Terry
> > >> >> 92YJ
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "SoK66" <Nospam@SoK.net> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:dfu0s301d56@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "JBo" <JBo@nomail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> > news:bTsUe.9370$sx2.5871@fed1read02...
> > >> >> >> Thanks for the info. I tried to just mount the tire to
existing
> > >> >> >> mount,
> > >> >> >> and could barely catch a thread. I will try the longer studs,
but
> > >> >> >> it
> > >> >> >> looks like the studs are a press fit or similar fit. I didn't
take
> > >> >> >> a
> > >> >> >> real good look at how they were inserted or attached, but they
> > >> >> >> should
> > >> >> >> be
> > >> >> >> capable of being removed, somehow.. Thanks again.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I should have mentioned that in general a 31" tire is the most
you
> > >> >> > should
> > >> >> > mount on the stock carrier.
> > >> >> >

Peter Pontbriand

Yep, 2000 lb trailer spindle meant to be welded to the end of round tubing.
I have it welded to a hole in the the narrow edge of a piece of 2" x 4" x
3/16" steel tubing. It has held up for a couple of years with a 33"x12.5"
MT/R on a steel wheel mounted to it. I also occasionally have a rack with a
100 lb load, 5 gallons of gas, and 5 gallons of water attached to that
carrier. However, out of sheer paranoia I ratchet strap the carrier to the
roll bar when I have that much weight on it. I think what has made mine last
as long as it has is the fact that I made it so that it closes against a bit
of hocket puck that's bolted to the tailgate. The over-center latch I use to
close the carrier forces it into the hockey puck so that it doesn't sway
back-and-forth as the Jeep moves. I think that reduces the rate of metal
fatigue, which is what I assume is happening to all those carriers that I
hear about snapping off. True, each time I close and open the carrier,
there's a minute amount of bending in the spindle area which I assume causes
fatigue in itself, but I open and close it a lot less frequently that a
"freestanding" carrier sways back-and-forth while driving.

/Peter

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43231702.3257FB48@sympatico.ca...
> He is going to have to chop a hole in the bumper so the welder can get
> to the underside of the mount to fix it. Just welding it from the top
> won't do it although I don't think just rewelding something back the
> same that couldn't handle the stress in the first place will work for
> ----.
>
> I think the design is flawed for that big of a spare. (33x10.5" mud)
>
> Peter 'looked' like he had a solid mount on his. It was an axle spindle
> I believe that was meant to be welded in place.
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
> >
> > Well..... it was cracked already and we gave it a good going-over when
were
> > off-roading.
> >
> > Did you get it welded up?
> >
> > --
> > .
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43230A77.6D97C6A0@sympatico.ca...
> > > Yup, it didn't survive the trip out.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Billy Ray wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Steve's?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> .
> > >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> > >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > >> .
> > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > >> news:4322F8A5.2618B31@sympatico.ca...
> > >> >A 31 tore off the rear fenders on my CJ7 after about 3 years of my
off
> > >> > road abuse...
> > >> >
> > >> > I even saw one of those frame mount ones fail totally with a 33 on
it
> > >> > last week. It was hangin' in sort of, but didn't survive the trip
out
> > >> > of the bush.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mike
> > >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >> >
> > >> > Terry Jeffrey wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Yep, 31" is pushing it, depending on how you drive. I had a spare
31"
> > >> >> mounted to my stock 92YJ carrier for about 5 years and eventually
> > >> >> developed
> > >> >> a crack in the tailgate from the stress.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I recommend going with an aftermarket frame-attached swing-out
spare
> > >> >> tire
> > >> >> carrier, if it's within the budget..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Terry
> > >> >> 92YJ
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "SoK66" <Nospam@SoK.net> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:dfu0s301d56@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "JBo" <JBo@nomail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> > news:bTsUe.9370$sx2.5871@fed1read02...
> > >> >> >> Thanks for the info. I tried to just mount the tire to
existing
> > >> >> >> mount,
> > >> >> >> and could barely catch a thread. I will try the longer studs,
but
> > >> >> >> it
> > >> >> >> looks like the studs are a press fit or similar fit. I didn't
take
> > >> >> >> a
> > >> >> >> real good look at how they were inserted or attached, but they
> > >> >> >> should
> > >> >> >> be
> > >> >> >> capable of being removed, somehow.. Thanks again.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I should have mentioned that in general a 31" tire is the most
you
> > >> >> > should
> > >> >> > mount on the stock carrier.
> > >> >> >

Peter Pontbriand

Yep, 2000 lb trailer spindle meant to be welded to the end of round tubing.
I have it welded to a hole in the the narrow edge of a piece of 2" x 4" x
3/16" steel tubing. It has held up for a couple of years with a 33"x12.5"
MT/R on a steel wheel mounted to it. I also occasionally have a rack with a
100 lb load, 5 gallons of gas, and 5 gallons of water attached to that
carrier. However, out of sheer paranoia I ratchet strap the carrier to the
roll bar when I have that much weight on it. I think what has made mine last
as long as it has is the fact that I made it so that it closes against a bit
of hocket puck that's bolted to the tailgate. The over-center latch I use to
close the carrier forces it into the hockey puck so that it doesn't sway
back-and-forth as the Jeep moves. I think that reduces the rate of metal
fatigue, which is what I assume is happening to all those carriers that I
hear about snapping off. True, each time I close and open the carrier,
there's a minute amount of bending in the spindle area which I assume causes
fatigue in itself, but I open and close it a lot less frequently that a
"freestanding" carrier sways back-and-forth while driving.

/Peter

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43231702.3257FB48@sympatico.ca...
> He is going to have to chop a hole in the bumper so the welder can get
> to the underside of the mount to fix it. Just welding it from the top
> won't do it although I don't think just rewelding something back the
> same that couldn't handle the stress in the first place will work for
> ----.
>
> I think the design is flawed for that big of a spare. (33x10.5" mud)
>
> Peter 'looked' like he had a solid mount on his. It was an axle spindle
> I believe that was meant to be welded in place.
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
> >
> > Well..... it was cracked already and we gave it a good going-over when
were
> > off-roading.
> >
> > Did you get it welded up?
> >
> > --
> > .
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43230A77.6D97C6A0@sympatico.ca...
> > > Yup, it didn't survive the trip out.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Billy Ray wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Steve's?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> .
> > >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> > >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > >> .
> > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > >> news:4322F8A5.2618B31@sympatico.ca...
> > >> >A 31 tore off the rear fenders on my CJ7 after about 3 years of my
off
> > >> > road abuse...
> > >> >
> > >> > I even saw one of those frame mount ones fail totally with a 33 on
it
> > >> > last week. It was hangin' in sort of, but didn't survive the trip
out
> > >> > of the bush.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mike
> > >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >> >
> > >> > Terry Jeffrey wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Yep, 31" is pushing it, depending on how you drive. I had a spare
31"
> > >> >> mounted to my stock 92YJ carrier for about 5 years and eventually
> > >> >> developed
> > >> >> a crack in the tailgate from the stress.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I recommend going with an aftermarket frame-attached swing-out
spare
> > >> >> tire
> > >> >> carrier, if it's within the budget..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Terry
> > >> >> 92YJ
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "SoK66" <Nospam@SoK.net> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:dfu0s301d56@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "JBo" <JBo@nomail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> > news:bTsUe.9370$sx2.5871@fed1read02...
> > >> >> >> Thanks for the info. I tried to just mount the tire to
existing
> > >> >> >> mount,
> > >> >> >> and could barely catch a thread. I will try the longer studs,
but
> > >> >> >> it
> > >> >> >> looks like the studs are a press fit or similar fit. I didn't
take
> > >> >> >> a
> > >> >> >> real good look at how they were inserted or attached, but they
> > >> >> >> should
> > >> >> >> be
> > >> >> >> capable of being removed, somehow.. Thanks again.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I should have mentioned that in general a 31" tire is the most
you
> > >> >> > should
> > >> >> > mount on the stock carrier.
> > >> >> >

Peter Pontbriand

Yep, 2000 lb trailer spindle meant to be welded to the end of round tubing.
I have it welded to a hole in the the narrow edge of a piece of 2" x 4" x
3/16" steel tubing. It has held up for a couple of years with a 33"x12.5"
MT/R on a steel wheel mounted to it. I also occasionally have a rack with a
100 lb load, 5 gallons of gas, and 5 gallons of water attached to that
carrier. However, out of sheer paranoia I ratchet strap the carrier to the
roll bar when I have that much weight on it. I think what has made mine last
as long as it has is the fact that I made it so that it closes against a bit
of hocket puck that's bolted to the tailgate. The over-center latch I use to
close the carrier forces it into the hockey puck so that it doesn't sway
back-and-forth as the Jeep moves. I think that reduces the rate of metal
fatigue, which is what I assume is happening to all those carriers that I
hear about snapping off. True, each time I close and open the carrier,
there's a minute amount of bending in the spindle area which I assume causes
fatigue in itself, but I open and close it a lot less frequently that a
"freestanding" carrier sways back-and-forth while driving.

/Peter

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43231702.3257FB48@sympatico.ca...
> He is going to have to chop a hole in the bumper so the welder can get
> to the underside of the mount to fix it. Just welding it from the top
> won't do it although I don't think just rewelding something back the
> same that couldn't handle the stress in the first place will work for
> ----.
>
> I think the design is flawed for that big of a spare. (33x10.5" mud)
>
> Peter 'looked' like he had a solid mount on his. It was an axle spindle
> I believe that was meant to be welded in place.
>
> Mike
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
> >
> > Well..... it was cracked already and we gave it a good going-over when
were
> > off-roading.
> >
> > Did you get it welded up?
> >
> > --
> > .
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43230A77.6D97C6A0@sympatico.ca...
> > > Yup, it didn't survive the trip out.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Billy Ray wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Steve's?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> .
> > >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> > >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > >> .
> > >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > >> news:4322F8A5.2618B31@sympatico.ca...
> > >> >A 31 tore off the rear fenders on my CJ7 after about 3 years of my
off
> > >> > road abuse...
> > >> >
> > >> > I even saw one of those frame mount ones fail totally with a 33 on
it
> > >> > last week. It was hangin' in sort of, but didn't survive the trip
out
> > >> > of the bush.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mike
> > >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >> >
> > >> > Terry Jeffrey wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Yep, 31" is pushing it, depending on how you drive. I had a spare
31"
> > >> >> mounted to my stock 92YJ carrier for about 5 years and eventually
> > >> >> developed
> > >> >> a crack in the tailgate from the stress.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I recommend going with an aftermarket frame-attached swing-out
spare
> > >> >> tire
> > >> >> carrier, if it's within the budget..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Terry
> > >> >> 92YJ
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "SoK66" <Nospam@SoK.net> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:dfu0s301d56@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "JBo" <JBo@nomail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> > news:bTsUe.9370$sx2.5871@fed1read02...
> > >> >> >> Thanks for the info. I tried to just mount the tire to
existing
> > >> >> >> mount,
> > >> >> >> and could barely catch a thread. I will try the longer studs,
but
> > >> >> >> it
> > >> >> >> looks like the studs are a press fit or similar fit. I didn't
take
> > >> >> >> a
> > >> >> >> real good look at how they were inserted or attached, but they
> > >> >> >> should
> > >> >> >> be
> > >> >> >> capable of being removed, somehow.. Thanks again.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I should have mentioned that in general a 31" tire is the most
you
> > >> >> > should
> > >> >> > mount on the stock carrier.
> > >> >> >