billy ray

Before I decided to get a somewhat practical science education I was a
history major and I cannot remember the policy of appeasement EVER working
to establish a lasting peace anytime in human history. As I recall it only
led to further aggression.

There is only one method that has ever worked to ensure lasting peace.

The Romans called it "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."

A slightly different way of saying it.
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...eaceSymbol.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...52BombLoad.jpg


> Did shrinking and covering your face with your hands in submission when
> the bully came your way EVER WORK for you Earle? Of course not, Did you
> not learn anything from that?

billy ray

Before I decided to get a somewhat practical science education I was a
history major and I cannot remember the policy of appeasement EVER working
to establish a lasting peace anytime in human history. As I recall it only
led to further aggression.

There is only one method that has ever worked to ensure lasting peace.

The Romans called it "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."

A slightly different way of saying it.
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...eaceSymbol.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...52BombLoad.jpg


> Did shrinking and covering your face with your hands in submission when
> the bully came your way EVER WORK for you Earle? Of course not, Did you
> not learn anything from that?

billy ray

I would rather they would be our friends but in any case they should fear
our wrath.

Payback's a bi%*# and drives a Jeep..


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:t8ydnZVnof8Hi8rYnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> And you wonder why much of the world hates us?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:2b0ae$4556ae00$422afc51$1615@FUSE.NET...
>> I've been saying for over a year we need to get out and just depose
>> whatever tyrant takes over every 5-10 years.
>>
>> When they no longer honor their commitment to supply unlimited cheap oil
>> we just install a new despot.
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:455696ca$0$21081$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>I wouldn't put it that way, but it sure sounds like a good idea to me. I
>>> think you have to look at this as a vote against the Republicans, and
>>> pretty
>>> much everyone is taking it like that, not as a vote in favor of the
>>> Democrats' warped social policies. Specifically, a vote against
>>> continuing
>>> to have United States citizens dying every day in Iraq.
>>>
>>> How about we get the hell out of Iraq, and tell the world that we have
>>> killed enough Arabs and Muslims, so that we are more or less even after
>>> 911?
>>> Then let them put the country back together themselves. I'll bet
>>> precious
>>> few of those Al-Qaida jerks can operate a bull dozer or run a hospital.
>>> All
>>> they seem to be good for is hot air and bullets.
>>>
>>> As far as "Marines from Ohio don't run away", well that's pretty easy to
>>> say
>>> when you and I are paying the tab for this fiasco. If the Marines from
>>> Ohio
>>> were paying their own expenses, operations would be folding up even as
>>> we
>>> speak.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its
>>> fascination.
>>> When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular." Oscar
>>> Wilde
>>>
>>> "You know, education-...,if you make the most of it, you study hard, you
>>> do
>>> your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well.
>>> If
>>> you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." John Kerry
>>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ef5c7$45569573$422afc51$27396@FUSE.NET...
>>>> Demoncrats have had several years to formulate a plan and the only one
>>> they
>>>> have mentioned on the floor of congress was a former Marine Officer who
>>> said
>>>> the US should run away like little girls.....
>>>>
>>>> That new congresslady from mid Ohio, who was just re-elected, called
>>>> him a
>>>> coward to his face and said Marines from Ohio don't run away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45566ab1$0$21100$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> > We voted out of power the guys that were supporting an unpopular war.
>>> We
>>>> > are about to find out, if anyone in Washington is really listening.
>>> It's
>>>> > been almost a week, and I haven't heard any plans for organized
>>>> > retreat,
>>>> > demobilization, building new VA hospitals (which we will surely
>>>> > need!)
>>> or
>>>> > any of the logical correlates of voting against a war. Bush is still
>>>> > talking about winning the damn thing, last time I checked.
>>>> >
>>>> > I was happy to see Rumsfeld resign, but it would have been better if
>>>> > it
>>>> > were
>>>> > Cheney.
>>>> >
>>>> > I expect that all we are really going to get out of this exercise, is
>>>> > a
>>>> > prescription drug benefit for seniors that we really cannot afford,
>>>> > and
>>>> > lots
>>>> > of new taxes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Back to Jeeps!
>>>> >
>>>> > Earle
>>>> >
>>>> > <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>>> > news:1bscl2dhv3nlujbgl9ksfj28btma0qocs5@4ax.com...
>>>> >> And we just voted out of power the guys that would have stopped it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:43:40 -0500, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>>> >> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Yep, that damn Teddy Kennedy and his amnesty plan that was
>>> co-sponsored
>>>> > by
>>>> >> >three Republicans: Sen. John McCain, Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> >> >news:MDo5h.118$xD.1@trndny08...
>>>> >> >> Here you go dems, and you want the illegals to stay, you asked
>>>> >> >> for
>>> it
>>>> > you
>>>> >> >> got it........
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >> news:Xns9877C04D46418someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
>>>> >> >>> Earle Horton writes:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>> Is this thing
>>>> >> >>>> driveable? If you get somebody to follow you, is it obviously
>>> going
>>>> >> >>>> down
>>>> >> >>>> the road sideways?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I haven't had it back together with a straight axle.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I did drive it after the collision after replacing the
>>>> >> >>> suspension
>>>> > arms,
>>>> >> >>> when it had about 1/2 inch of runout on the wheel rotation (bent
>>>> > axle),
>>>> >> >>> and
>>>> >> >>> about 1/2 inch of toe-in misalignment besides (bent axle tube).
>>> The
>>>> > tire
>>>> >> >>> was audibly squirming but you didn't feel it shimmy except at
>>> walking
>>>> >> >>> speed. On wet pavement or going around turns or both, you could
>>> feel
>>>> > the
>>>> >> >>> traction slipping.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I'm just hoping for rough driveability with a new axle and an
>>>> >> >>> approximately
>>>> >> >>> straightened axle tube and backing plate. The guy that hit my
>>> son's
>>>> > car
>>>> >> >>> on
>>>> >> >>> I-95 was a drunk, apparently illegal immigrant who took off
>>>> >> >>> running
>>>> > when
>>>> >> >>> the FHP showed up. The perp's lowlife insurance company that
>>> should
>>>> > be
>>>> >> >>> paying for this has stalled for months, so we need time to sue
>>>> >> >>> them
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> pay
>>>> >> >>> for the proper repairs, but in the meantime we want to get this
>>>> >> >>> 10-year-old
>>>> >> >>> TJ back to something ugly a college kid can still drive to
>>>> >> >>> class.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

I would rather they would be our friends but in any case they should fear
our wrath.

Payback's a bi%*# and drives a Jeep..


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:t8ydnZVnof8Hi8rYnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> And you wonder why much of the world hates us?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:2b0ae$4556ae00$422afc51$1615@FUSE.NET...
>> I've been saying for over a year we need to get out and just depose
>> whatever tyrant takes over every 5-10 years.
>>
>> When they no longer honor their commitment to supply unlimited cheap oil
>> we just install a new despot.
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:455696ca$0$21081$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>I wouldn't put it that way, but it sure sounds like a good idea to me. I
>>> think you have to look at this as a vote against the Republicans, and
>>> pretty
>>> much everyone is taking it like that, not as a vote in favor of the
>>> Democrats' warped social policies. Specifically, a vote against
>>> continuing
>>> to have United States citizens dying every day in Iraq.
>>>
>>> How about we get the hell out of Iraq, and tell the world that we have
>>> killed enough Arabs and Muslims, so that we are more or less even after
>>> 911?
>>> Then let them put the country back together themselves. I'll bet
>>> precious
>>> few of those Al-Qaida jerks can operate a bull dozer or run a hospital.
>>> All
>>> they seem to be good for is hot air and bullets.
>>>
>>> As far as "Marines from Ohio don't run away", well that's pretty easy to
>>> say
>>> when you and I are paying the tab for this fiasco. If the Marines from
>>> Ohio
>>> were paying their own expenses, operations would be folding up even as
>>> we
>>> speak.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its
>>> fascination.
>>> When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular." Oscar
>>> Wilde
>>>
>>> "You know, education-...,if you make the most of it, you study hard, you
>>> do
>>> your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well.
>>> If
>>> you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." John Kerry
>>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ef5c7$45569573$422afc51$27396@FUSE.NET...
>>>> Demoncrats have had several years to formulate a plan and the only one
>>> they
>>>> have mentioned on the floor of congress was a former Marine Officer who
>>> said
>>>> the US should run away like little girls.....
>>>>
>>>> That new congresslady from mid Ohio, who was just re-elected, called
>>>> him a
>>>> coward to his face and said Marines from Ohio don't run away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45566ab1$0$21100$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> > We voted out of power the guys that were supporting an unpopular war.
>>> We
>>>> > are about to find out, if anyone in Washington is really listening.
>>> It's
>>>> > been almost a week, and I haven't heard any plans for organized
>>>> > retreat,
>>>> > demobilization, building new VA hospitals (which we will surely
>>>> > need!)
>>> or
>>>> > any of the logical correlates of voting against a war. Bush is still
>>>> > talking about winning the damn thing, last time I checked.
>>>> >
>>>> > I was happy to see Rumsfeld resign, but it would have been better if
>>>> > it
>>>> > were
>>>> > Cheney.
>>>> >
>>>> > I expect that all we are really going to get out of this exercise, is
>>>> > a
>>>> > prescription drug benefit for seniors that we really cannot afford,
>>>> > and
>>>> > lots
>>>> > of new taxes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Back to Jeeps!
>>>> >
>>>> > Earle
>>>> >
>>>> > <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>>> > news:1bscl2dhv3nlujbgl9ksfj28btma0qocs5@4ax.com...
>>>> >> And we just voted out of power the guys that would have stopped it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:43:40 -0500, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>>> >> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Yep, that damn Teddy Kennedy and his amnesty plan that was
>>> co-sponsored
>>>> > by
>>>> >> >three Republicans: Sen. John McCain, Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> >> >news:MDo5h.118$xD.1@trndny08...
>>>> >> >> Here you go dems, and you want the illegals to stay, you asked
>>>> >> >> for
>>> it
>>>> > you
>>>> >> >> got it........
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >> news:Xns9877C04D46418someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
>>>> >> >>> Earle Horton writes:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>> Is this thing
>>>> >> >>>> driveable? If you get somebody to follow you, is it obviously
>>> going
>>>> >> >>>> down
>>>> >> >>>> the road sideways?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I haven't had it back together with a straight axle.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I did drive it after the collision after replacing the
>>>> >> >>> suspension
>>>> > arms,
>>>> >> >>> when it had about 1/2 inch of runout on the wheel rotation (bent
>>>> > axle),
>>>> >> >>> and
>>>> >> >>> about 1/2 inch of toe-in misalignment besides (bent axle tube).
>>> The
>>>> > tire
>>>> >> >>> was audibly squirming but you didn't feel it shimmy except at
>>> walking
>>>> >> >>> speed. On wet pavement or going around turns or both, you could
>>> feel
>>>> > the
>>>> >> >>> traction slipping.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I'm just hoping for rough driveability with a new axle and an
>>>> >> >>> approximately
>>>> >> >>> straightened axle tube and backing plate. The guy that hit my
>>> son's
>>>> > car
>>>> >> >>> on
>>>> >> >>> I-95 was a drunk, apparently illegal immigrant who took off
>>>> >> >>> running
>>>> > when
>>>> >> >>> the FHP showed up. The perp's lowlife insurance company that
>>> should
>>>> > be
>>>> >> >>> paying for this has stalled for months, so we need time to sue
>>>> >> >>> them
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> pay
>>>> >> >>> for the proper repairs, but in the meantime we want to get this
>>>> >> >>> 10-year-old
>>>> >> >>> TJ back to something ugly a college kid can still drive to
>>>> >> >>> class.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

I would rather they would be our friends but in any case they should fear
our wrath.

Payback's a bi%*# and drives a Jeep..


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:t8ydnZVnof8Hi8rYnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> And you wonder why much of the world hates us?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:2b0ae$4556ae00$422afc51$1615@FUSE.NET...
>> I've been saying for over a year we need to get out and just depose
>> whatever tyrant takes over every 5-10 years.
>>
>> When they no longer honor their commitment to supply unlimited cheap oil
>> we just install a new despot.
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:455696ca$0$21081$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>I wouldn't put it that way, but it sure sounds like a good idea to me. I
>>> think you have to look at this as a vote against the Republicans, and
>>> pretty
>>> much everyone is taking it like that, not as a vote in favor of the
>>> Democrats' warped social policies. Specifically, a vote against
>>> continuing
>>> to have United States citizens dying every day in Iraq.
>>>
>>> How about we get the hell out of Iraq, and tell the world that we have
>>> killed enough Arabs and Muslims, so that we are more or less even after
>>> 911?
>>> Then let them put the country back together themselves. I'll bet
>>> precious
>>> few of those Al-Qaida jerks can operate a bull dozer or run a hospital.
>>> All
>>> they seem to be good for is hot air and bullets.
>>>
>>> As far as "Marines from Ohio don't run away", well that's pretty easy to
>>> say
>>> when you and I are paying the tab for this fiasco. If the Marines from
>>> Ohio
>>> were paying their own expenses, operations would be folding up even as
>>> we
>>> speak.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its
>>> fascination.
>>> When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular." Oscar
>>> Wilde
>>>
>>> "You know, education-...,if you make the most of it, you study hard, you
>>> do
>>> your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well.
>>> If
>>> you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." John Kerry
>>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ef5c7$45569573$422afc51$27396@FUSE.NET...
>>>> Demoncrats have had several years to formulate a plan and the only one
>>> they
>>>> have mentioned on the floor of congress was a former Marine Officer who
>>> said
>>>> the US should run away like little girls.....
>>>>
>>>> That new congresslady from mid Ohio, who was just re-elected, called
>>>> him a
>>>> coward to his face and said Marines from Ohio don't run away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45566ab1$0$21100$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> > We voted out of power the guys that were supporting an unpopular war.
>>> We
>>>> > are about to find out, if anyone in Washington is really listening.
>>> It's
>>>> > been almost a week, and I haven't heard any plans for organized
>>>> > retreat,
>>>> > demobilization, building new VA hospitals (which we will surely
>>>> > need!)
>>> or
>>>> > any of the logical correlates of voting against a war. Bush is still
>>>> > talking about winning the damn thing, last time I checked.
>>>> >
>>>> > I was happy to see Rumsfeld resign, but it would have been better if
>>>> > it
>>>> > were
>>>> > Cheney.
>>>> >
>>>> > I expect that all we are really going to get out of this exercise, is
>>>> > a
>>>> > prescription drug benefit for seniors that we really cannot afford,
>>>> > and
>>>> > lots
>>>> > of new taxes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Back to Jeeps!
>>>> >
>>>> > Earle
>>>> >
>>>> > <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>>> > news:1bscl2dhv3nlujbgl9ksfj28btma0qocs5@4ax.com...
>>>> >> And we just voted out of power the guys that would have stopped it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:43:40 -0500, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>>> >> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Yep, that damn Teddy Kennedy and his amnesty plan that was
>>> co-sponsored
>>>> > by
>>>> >> >three Republicans: Sen. John McCain, Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> >> >news:MDo5h.118$xD.1@trndny08...
>>>> >> >> Here you go dems, and you want the illegals to stay, you asked
>>>> >> >> for
>>> it
>>>> > you
>>>> >> >> got it........
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >> news:Xns9877C04D46418someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
>>>> >> >>> Earle Horton writes:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>> Is this thing
>>>> >> >>>> driveable? If you get somebody to follow you, is it obviously
>>> going
>>>> >> >>>> down
>>>> >> >>>> the road sideways?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I haven't had it back together with a straight axle.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I did drive it after the collision after replacing the
>>>> >> >>> suspension
>>>> > arms,
>>>> >> >>> when it had about 1/2 inch of runout on the wheel rotation (bent
>>>> > axle),
>>>> >> >>> and
>>>> >> >>> about 1/2 inch of toe-in misalignment besides (bent axle tube).
>>> The
>>>> > tire
>>>> >> >>> was audibly squirming but you didn't feel it shimmy except at
>>> walking
>>>> >> >>> speed. On wet pavement or going around turns or both, you could
>>> feel
>>>> > the
>>>> >> >>> traction slipping.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I'm just hoping for rough driveability with a new axle and an
>>>> >> >>> approximately
>>>> >> >>> straightened axle tube and backing plate. The guy that hit my
>>> son's
>>>> > car
>>>> >> >>> on
>>>> >> >>> I-95 was a drunk, apparently illegal immigrant who took off
>>>> >> >>> running
>>>> > when
>>>> >> >>> the FHP showed up. The perp's lowlife insurance company that
>>> should
>>>> > be
>>>> >> >>> paying for this has stalled for months, so we need time to sue
>>>> >> >>> them
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> pay
>>>> >> >>> for the proper repairs, but in the meantime we want to get this
>>>> >> >>> 10-year-old
>>>> >> >>> TJ back to something ugly a college kid can still drive to
>>>> >> >>> class.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

The problem with that plan is only two of the three regions have any natural
resources and the group without any resources (besides sand) is where the
terrorists are all located.

The Kurds, Sunni, and Shiites have hated one another for over a thousand
years and nothing we could do will ever change that.

Worse thing is that there aren't all that many Jeeps there, the terrorists
prefer Toyota mini pickups.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:b8udnVMwRa23h8rYnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Of course the Republican leadership would never allow the Dem's plans to
> be brough forth on the floors of Congress. Murtha's service was the only
> reason why he was allowed to speak. And you are typically
> mischaracterizing what he said.
>
> Many Republicans now agree that to restore Iraq into a single soveriegn
> nation is going to be militarily and politically impossible, unless we
> commit 4X as many troops as we have there now. and the best way to bring
> this matter to a close is to restore the region to pre-WWI conditions,
> with three soveriegn states made up of Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, a plan
> most recently brought up by Joe Biden, IIRC. We can keep all the "finish
> the job" goals by encouraging this to happen, eliminate the inter-faith
> violence, and establish a military base in the Kurd region (which is still
> US-friendly) from which we can continue the real war on terror without
> continuing to paint target rings on our troops.
>
> What everyone's waiting for is the conclusion of the Baker commission on
> Iraq which is supposed to be released tomorrow. I'd be surprised if this
> wasn't mentioned.
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:ef5c7$45569573$422afc51$27396@FUSE.NET...
>> Demoncrats have had several years to formulate a plan and the only one
>> they have mentioned on the floor of congress was a former Marine Officer
>> who said the US should run away like little girls.....
>>
>> That new congresslady from mid Ohio, who was just re-elected, called him
>> a coward to his face and said Marines from Ohio don't run away.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:45566ab1$0$21100$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> We voted out of power the guys that were supporting an unpopular war.
>>> We
>>> are about to find out, if anyone in Washington is really listening.
>>> It's
>>> been almost a week, and I haven't heard any plans for organized retreat,
>>> demobilization, building new VA hospitals (which we will surely need!)
>>> or
>>> any of the logical correlates of voting against a war. Bush is still
>>> talking about winning the damn thing, last time I checked.
>>>
>>> I was happy to see Rumsfeld resign, but it would have been better if it
>>> were
>>> Cheney.
>>>
>>> I expect that all we are really going to get out of this exercise, is a
>>> prescription drug benefit for seniors that we really cannot afford, and
>>> lots
>>> of new taxes.
>>>
>>> Back to Jeeps!
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>> news:1bscl2dhv3nlujbgl9ksfj28btma0qocs5@4ax.com...
>>>> And we just voted out of power the guys that would have stopped it.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:43:40 -0500, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Yep, that damn Teddy Kennedy and his amnesty plan that was
>>>> >co-sponsored
>>> by
>>>> >three Republicans: Sen. John McCain, Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake
>>>> >
>>>> >"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> >news:MDo5h.118$xD.1@trndny08...
>>>> >> Here you go dems, and you want the illegals to stay, you asked for
>>>> >> it
>>> you
>>>> >> got it........
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:Xns9877C04D46418someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
>>>> >>> Earle Horton writes:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Is this thing
>>>> >>>> driveable? If you get somebody to follow you, is it obviously
>>>> >>>> going
>>>> >>>> down
>>>> >>>> the road sideways?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I haven't had it back together with a straight axle.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I did drive it after the collision after replacing the suspension
>>> arms,
>>>> >>> when it had about 1/2 inch of runout on the wheel rotation (bent
>>> axle),
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> about 1/2 inch of toe-in misalignment besides (bent axle tube).
>>>> >>> The
>>> tire
>>>> >>> was audibly squirming but you didn't feel it shimmy except at
>>>> >>> walking
>>>> >>> speed. On wet pavement or going around turns or both, you could
>>>> >>> feel
>>> the
>>>> >>> traction slipping.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm just hoping for rough driveability with a new axle and an
>>>> >>> approximately
>>>> >>> straightened axle tube and backing plate. The guy that hit my
>>>> >>> son's
>>> car
>>>> >>> on
>>>> >>> I-95 was a drunk, apparently illegal immigrant who took off running
>>> when
>>>> >>> the FHP showed up. The perp's lowlife insurance company that
>>>> >>> should
>>> be
>>>> >>> paying for this has stalled for months, so we need time to sue them
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> pay
>>>> >>> for the proper repairs, but in the meantime we want to get this
>>>> >>> 10-year-old
>>>> >>> TJ back to something ugly a college kid can still drive to class.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

The problem with that plan is only two of the three regions have any natural
resources and the group without any resources (besides sand) is where the
terrorists are all located.

The Kurds, Sunni, and Shiites have hated one another for over a thousand
years and nothing we could do will ever change that.

Worse thing is that there aren't all that many Jeeps there, the terrorists
prefer Toyota mini pickups.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:b8udnVMwRa23h8rYnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Of course the Republican leadership would never allow the Dem's plans to
> be brough forth on the floors of Congress. Murtha's service was the only
> reason why he was allowed to speak. And you are typically
> mischaracterizing what he said.
>
> Many Republicans now agree that to restore Iraq into a single soveriegn
> nation is going to be militarily and politically impossible, unless we
> commit 4X as many troops as we have there now. and the best way to bring
> this matter to a close is to restore the region to pre-WWI conditions,
> with three soveriegn states made up of Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, a plan
> most recently brought up by Joe Biden, IIRC. We can keep all the "finish
> the job" goals by encouraging this to happen, eliminate the inter-faith
> violence, and establish a military base in the Kurd region (which is still
> US-friendly) from which we can continue the real war on terror without
> continuing to paint target rings on our troops.
>
> What everyone's waiting for is the conclusion of the Baker commission on
> Iraq which is supposed to be released tomorrow. I'd be surprised if this
> wasn't mentioned.
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:ef5c7$45569573$422afc51$27396@FUSE.NET...
>> Demoncrats have had several years to formulate a plan and the only one
>> they have mentioned on the floor of congress was a former Marine Officer
>> who said the US should run away like little girls.....
>>
>> That new congresslady from mid Ohio, who was just re-elected, called him
>> a coward to his face and said Marines from Ohio don't run away.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:45566ab1$0$21100$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> We voted out of power the guys that were supporting an unpopular war.
>>> We
>>> are about to find out, if anyone in Washington is really listening.
>>> It's
>>> been almost a week, and I haven't heard any plans for organized retreat,
>>> demobilization, building new VA hospitals (which we will surely need!)
>>> or
>>> any of the logical correlates of voting against a war. Bush is still
>>> talking about winning the damn thing, last time I checked.
>>>
>>> I was happy to see Rumsfeld resign, but it would have been better if it
>>> were
>>> Cheney.
>>>
>>> I expect that all we are really going to get out of this exercise, is a
>>> prescription drug benefit for seniors that we really cannot afford, and
>>> lots
>>> of new taxes.
>>>
>>> Back to Jeeps!
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>> news:1bscl2dhv3nlujbgl9ksfj28btma0qocs5@4ax.com...
>>>> And we just voted out of power the guys that would have stopped it.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:43:40 -0500, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Yep, that damn Teddy Kennedy and his amnesty plan that was
>>>> >co-sponsored
>>> by
>>>> >three Republicans: Sen. John McCain, Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake
>>>> >
>>>> >"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> >news:MDo5h.118$xD.1@trndny08...
>>>> >> Here you go dems, and you want the illegals to stay, you asked for
>>>> >> it
>>> you
>>>> >> got it........
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:Xns9877C04D46418someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
>>>> >>> Earle Horton writes:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Is this thing
>>>> >>>> driveable? If you get somebody to follow you, is it obviously
>>>> >>>> going
>>>> >>>> down
>>>> >>>> the road sideways?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I haven't had it back together with a straight axle.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I did drive it after the collision after replacing the suspension
>>> arms,
>>>> >>> when it had about 1/2 inch of runout on the wheel rotation (bent
>>> axle),
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> about 1/2 inch of toe-in misalignment besides (bent axle tube).
>>>> >>> The
>>> tire
>>>> >>> was audibly squirming but you didn't feel it shimmy except at
>>>> >>> walking
>>>> >>> speed. On wet pavement or going around turns or both, you could
>>>> >>> feel
>>> the
>>>> >>> traction slipping.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm just hoping for rough driveability with a new axle and an
>>>> >>> approximately
>>>> >>> straightened axle tube and backing plate. The guy that hit my
>>>> >>> son's
>>> car
>>>> >>> on
>>>> >>> I-95 was a drunk, apparently illegal immigrant who took off running
>>> when
>>>> >>> the FHP showed up. The perp's lowlife insurance company that
>>>> >>> should
>>> be
>>>> >>> paying for this has stalled for months, so we need time to sue them
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> pay
>>>> >>> for the proper repairs, but in the meantime we want to get this
>>>> >>> 10-year-old
>>>> >>> TJ back to something ugly a college kid can still drive to class.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

The problem with that plan is only two of the three regions have any natural
resources and the group without any resources (besides sand) is where the
terrorists are all located.

The Kurds, Sunni, and Shiites have hated one another for over a thousand
years and nothing we could do will ever change that.

Worse thing is that there aren't all that many Jeeps there, the terrorists
prefer Toyota mini pickups.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:b8udnVMwRa23h8rYnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Of course the Republican leadership would never allow the Dem's plans to
> be brough forth on the floors of Congress. Murtha's service was the only
> reason why he was allowed to speak. And you are typically
> mischaracterizing what he said.
>
> Many Republicans now agree that to restore Iraq into a single soveriegn
> nation is going to be militarily and politically impossible, unless we
> commit 4X as many troops as we have there now. and the best way to bring
> this matter to a close is to restore the region to pre-WWI conditions,
> with three soveriegn states made up of Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, a plan
> most recently brought up by Joe Biden, IIRC. We can keep all the "finish
> the job" goals by encouraging this to happen, eliminate the inter-faith
> violence, and establish a military base in the Kurd region (which is still
> US-friendly) from which we can continue the real war on terror without
> continuing to paint target rings on our troops.
>
> What everyone's waiting for is the conclusion of the Baker commission on
> Iraq which is supposed to be released tomorrow. I'd be surprised if this
> wasn't mentioned.
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:ef5c7$45569573$422afc51$27396@FUSE.NET...
>> Demoncrats have had several years to formulate a plan and the only one
>> they have mentioned on the floor of congress was a former Marine Officer
>> who said the US should run away like little girls.....
>>
>> That new congresslady from mid Ohio, who was just re-elected, called him
>> a coward to his face and said Marines from Ohio don't run away.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:45566ab1$0$21100$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> We voted out of power the guys that were supporting an unpopular war.
>>> We
>>> are about to find out, if anyone in Washington is really listening.
>>> It's
>>> been almost a week, and I haven't heard any plans for organized retreat,
>>> demobilization, building new VA hospitals (which we will surely need!)
>>> or
>>> any of the logical correlates of voting against a war. Bush is still
>>> talking about winning the damn thing, last time I checked.
>>>
>>> I was happy to see Rumsfeld resign, but it would have been better if it
>>> were
>>> Cheney.
>>>
>>> I expect that all we are really going to get out of this exercise, is a
>>> prescription drug benefit for seniors that we really cannot afford, and
>>> lots
>>> of new taxes.
>>>
>>> Back to Jeeps!
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>>> news:1bscl2dhv3nlujbgl9ksfj28btma0qocs5@4ax.com...
>>>> And we just voted out of power the guys that would have stopped it.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:43:40 -0500, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>>>> <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Yep, that damn Teddy Kennedy and his amnesty plan that was
>>>> >co-sponsored
>>> by
>>>> >three Republicans: Sen. John McCain, Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake
>>>> >
>>>> >"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> >news:MDo5h.118$xD.1@trndny08...
>>>> >> Here you go dems, and you want the illegals to stay, you asked for
>>>> >> it
>>> you
>>>> >> got it........
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:Xns9877C04D46418someconundrum@216.196.97.131. ..
>>>> >>> Earle Horton writes:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Is this thing
>>>> >>>> driveable? If you get somebody to follow you, is it obviously
>>>> >>>> going
>>>> >>>> down
>>>> >>>> the road sideways?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I haven't had it back together with a straight axle.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I did drive it after the collision after replacing the suspension
>>> arms,
>>>> >>> when it had about 1/2 inch of runout on the wheel rotation (bent
>>> axle),
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> about 1/2 inch of toe-in misalignment besides (bent axle tube).
>>>> >>> The
>>> tire
>>>> >>> was audibly squirming but you didn't feel it shimmy except at
>>>> >>> walking
>>>> >>> speed. On wet pavement or going around turns or both, you could
>>>> >>> feel
>>> the
>>>> >>> traction slipping.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm just hoping for rough driveability with a new axle and an
>>>> >>> approximately
>>>> >>> straightened axle tube and backing plate. The guy that hit my
>>>> >>> son's
>>> car
>>>> >>> on
>>>> >>> I-95 was a drunk, apparently illegal immigrant who took off running
>>> when
>>>> >>> the FHP showed up. The perp's lowlife insurance company that
>>>> >>> should
>>> be
>>>> >>> paying for this has stalled for months, so we need time to sue them
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> pay
>>>> >>> for the proper repairs, but in the meantime we want to get this
>>>> >>> 10-year-old
>>>> >>> TJ back to something ugly a college kid can still drive to class.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Troy

I like the trucks the contractors drive in Iraq:
http://www.kk.org/streetuse/archives...ruck_armor.php

Makes me want to put a mount for a .50 cal over the rear seat of my Jeep :)

Troy


billy ray wrote:

> Worse thing is that there aren't all that many Jeeps there, the terrorists
> prefer Toyota mini pickups.

Troy

I like the trucks the contractors drive in Iraq:
http://www.kk.org/streetuse/archives...ruck_armor.php

Makes me want to put a mount for a .50 cal over the rear seat of my Jeep :)

Troy


billy ray wrote:

> Worse thing is that there aren't all that many Jeeps there, the terrorists
> prefer Toyota mini pickups.