Jeff Strickland

It sounds like your Hellas are headlamp replacements, I was thinking the
original; poster had Hella offroad or fog lights that he wanted to install
in place of the factory fogs.

You can easily run Hella headlamp replacements and the factory fog lamps or
even Hella fog lamps all at the same time because these are separate
circuits. I don't know if the wiring harness will cause the lamps to burn
brighter, but I would be surprised.


"Carlo Jr." <a.serusa@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:f71Ma.67296$R73.9338@sccrnsc04...
> This harness is for the headlights. My Sahara came w/foglights from the
> factory and, therefore I also had the wiring already in place. I received
> several recommendations from several sources (including this NG) to use
this
> type of harness as part of the conversion. I do , in fact use the Hellas &
> fog lights together, pretty much all of the time (I like the way it lights
> up the shoulder area). It is also said that the Hellas are brighter with
the
> harness than with factory wiring. I installed the harness @ the same time
as
> the headlights - so I can't give the voice of experience in that area.
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlojr@attbi
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vg14jsa7q8et11@corp.supernews.com...
> > That is a great solution when you haven't got driving (fog) lights
> already.
> > He already has the wiring in place, so the question is if it can
withstand
> > the load, of if he should use the factory wiring to turn a relay on and
> off.
> > I think the factory wiring can handle the Hellas, and it can certainly
> > handle the low wattage bulbs rated at 55W. I think it should be able to
> > handle the 100W bulbs also. Obviously, the factory wiring can not handle
> > both the Hellas and the factory fog lamps at the same time. In this sort
> of
> > installation, he will need to install a relay.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Carlo Jr." <carlojr@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:xB7La.40237$e26.23635@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
> > > AIR #509102 harness - has 2 relays directly off of the battery that
hook
> > to
> > > your stock headlight switch & the headlights. Took 10 minutes to hook
> up.
> > I
> > > used the screws that hold down the front of the power control box to
> hold
> > > the relays (looks like they belong there). Lots cheaper than painless
> wire
> > > product - works rather well.....
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > carlojr@attbi
> > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > O|||||||O
> > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > >
> > >
> > > "WillysGuy" <willysguy@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:20030625114917.10018.00000841@mb-m26.aol.com...
> > > > I've decided to replace the current driving lights on my 2000
Wrangler
> > > Sport
> > > > with Hella 500 Driving Lights. 55W bulbs for now....100W bulbs
later.
> > Will
> > > I be
> > > > able to use the stock wiring for the Hella 500 lights? Also, are the
> > > current
> > > > lights already relayed?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Carlo Jr.

I must be getting as bad as bill............I misread "driving".
I am running the "Euro" Hella headlamp replacements - was told that factory
wiring would work but that the Hellas were harder on the wiring & switch as
per a link on this NG - if you like I'll try to find the link & post it
again - not really all that important other than fyi

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlojr@attbi
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vg1auv69k6hh95@corp.supernews.com...
> It sounds like your Hellas are headlamp replacements, I was thinking the
> original; poster had Hella offroad or fog lights that he wanted to install
> in place of the factory fogs.
>
> You can easily run Hella headlamp replacements and the factory fog lamps
or
> even Hella fog lamps all at the same time because these are separate
> circuits. I don't know if the wiring harness will cause the lamps to burn
> brighter, but I would be surprised.
>
>
> "Carlo Jr." <a.serusa@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:f71Ma.67296$R73.9338@sccrnsc04...
> > This harness is for the headlights. My Sahara came w/foglights from the
> > factory and, therefore I also had the wiring already in place. I
received
> > several recommendations from several sources (including this NG) to use
> this
> > type of harness as part of the conversion. I do , in fact use the Hellas
&
> > fog lights together, pretty much all of the time (I like the way it
lights
> > up the shoulder area). It is also said that the Hellas are brighter with
> the
> > harness than with factory wiring. I installed the harness @ the same
time
> as
> > the headlights - so I can't give the voice of experience in that area.
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlojr@attbi
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:vg14jsa7q8et11@corp.supernews.com...
> > > That is a great solution when you haven't got driving (fog) lights
> > already.
> > > He already has the wiring in place, so the question is if it can
> withstand
> > > the load, of if he should use the factory wiring to turn a relay on
and
> > off.
> > > I think the factory wiring can handle the Hellas, and it can certainly
> > > handle the low wattage bulbs rated at 55W. I think it should be able
to
> > > handle the 100W bulbs also. Obviously, the factory wiring can not
handle
> > > both the Hellas and the factory fog lamps at the same time. In this
sort
> > of
> > > installation, he will need to install a relay.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Carlo Jr." <carlojr@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xB7La.40237$e26.23635@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
> > > > AIR #509102 harness - has 2 relays directly off of the battery that
> hook
> > > to
> > > > your stock headlight switch & the headlights. Took 10 minutes to
hook
> > up.
> > > I
> > > > used the screws that hold down the front of the power control box to
> > hold
> > > > the relays (looks like they belong there). Lots cheaper than
painless
> > wire
> > > > product - works rather well.....
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > > carlojr@attbi
> > > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > > O|||||||O
> > > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "WillysGuy" <willysguy@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:20030625114917.10018.00000841@mb-m26.aol.com...
> > > > > I've decided to replace the current driving lights on my 2000
> Wrangler
> > > > Sport
> > > > > with Hella 500 Driving Lights. 55W bulbs for now....100W bulbs
> later.
> > > Will
> > > > I be
> > > > > able to use the stock wiring for the Hella 500 lights? Also, are
the
> > > > current
> > > > > lights already relayed?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Pete
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mike Romain

If it is a headlight replacement with higher wattage lights, relay them
with direct fused power.

The stock switch won't take the higher power on any vintage of Jeep and
most other vehicles too for that matter.

I have seen way too many switches smoke out from strong lights, way too
many.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Carlo Jr." wrote:
>
> I must be getting as bad as bill............I misread "driving".
> I am running the "Euro" Hella headlamp replacements - was told that factory
> wiring would work but that the Hellas were harder on the wiring & switch as
> per a link on this NG - if you like I'll try to find the link & post it
> again - not really all that important other than fyi
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlojr@attbi
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vg1auv69k6hh95@corp.supernews.com...
> > It sounds like your Hellas are headlamp replacements, I was thinking the
> > original; poster had Hella offroad or fog lights that he wanted to install
> > in place of the factory fogs.
> >
> > You can easily run Hella headlamp replacements and the factory fog lamps
> or
> > even Hella fog lamps all at the same time because these are separate
> > circuits. I don't know if the wiring harness will cause the lamps to burn
> > brighter, but I would be surprised.
> >
> >
> > "Carlo Jr." <a.serusa@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:f71Ma.67296$R73.9338@sccrnsc04...
> > > This harness is for the headlights. My Sahara came w/foglights from the
> > > factory and, therefore I also had the wiring already in place. I
> received
> > > several recommendations from several sources (including this NG) to use
> > this
> > > type of harness as part of the conversion. I do , in fact use the Hellas
> &
> > > fog lights together, pretty much all of the time (I like the way it
> lights
> > > up the shoulder area). It is also said that the Hellas are brighter with
> > the
> > > harness than with factory wiring. I installed the harness @ the same
> time
> > as
> > > the headlights - so I can't give the voice of experience in that area.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > carlojr@attbi
> > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > O|||||||O
> > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vg14jsa7q8et11@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > That is a great solution when you haven't got driving (fog) lights
> > > already.
> > > > He already has the wiring in place, so the question is if it can
> > withstand
> > > > the load, of if he should use the factory wiring to turn a relay on
> and
> > > off.
> > > > I think the factory wiring can handle the Hellas, and it can certainly
> > > > handle the low wattage bulbs rated at 55W. I think it should be able
> to
> > > > handle the 100W bulbs also. Obviously, the factory wiring can not
> handle
> > > > both the Hellas and the factory fog lamps at the same time. In this
> sort
> > > of
> > > > installation, he will need to install a relay.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Carlo Jr." <carlojr@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:xB7La.40237$e26.23635@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
> > > > > AIR #509102 harness - has 2 relays directly off of the battery that
> > hook
> > > > to
> > > > > your stock headlight switch & the headlights. Took 10 minutes to
> hook
> > > up.
> > > > I
> > > > > used the screws that hold down the front of the power control box to
> > > hold
> > > > > the relays (looks like they belong there). Lots cheaper than
> painless
> > > wire
> > > > > product - works rather well.....
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > > > carlojr@attbi
> > > > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > > > O|||||||O
> > > > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "WillysGuy" <willysguy@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:20030625114917.10018.00000841@mb-m26.aol.com...
> > > > > > I've decided to replace the current driving lights on my 2000
> > Wrangler
> > > > > Sport
> > > > > > with Hella 500 Driving Lights. 55W bulbs for now....100W bulbs
> > later.
> > > > Will
> > > > > I be
> > > > > > able to use the stock wiring for the Hella 500 lights? Also, are
> the
> > > > > current
> > > > > > lights already relayed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Pete
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Carlo Jr.

Yo Mike
thanks for the clarification

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlojr@attbi
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F00C726.C04D6A43@sympatico.ca...
> If it is a headlight replacement with higher wattage lights, relay them
> with direct fused power.
>
> The stock switch won't take the higher power on any vintage of Jeep and
> most other vehicles too for that matter.
>
> I have seen way too many switches smoke out from strong lights, way too
> many.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Carlo Jr." wrote:
> >
> > I must be getting as bad as bill............I misread "driving".
> > I am running the "Euro" Hella headlamp replacements - was told that
factory
> > wiring would work but that the Hellas were harder on the wiring & switch
as
> > per a link on this NG - if you like I'll try to find the link & post it
> > again - not really all that important other than fyi
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlojr@attbi
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:vg1auv69k6hh95@corp.supernews.com...
> > > It sounds like your Hellas are headlamp replacements, I was thinking
the
> > > original; poster had Hella offroad or fog lights that he wanted to
install
> > > in place of the factory fogs.
> > >
> > > You can easily run Hella headlamp replacements and the factory fog
lamps
> > or
> > > even Hella fog lamps all at the same time because these are separate
> > > circuits. I don't know if the wiring harness will cause the lamps to
burn
> > > brighter, but I would be surprised.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Carlo Jr." <a.serusa@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:f71Ma.67296$R73.9338@sccrnsc04...
> > > > This harness is for the headlights. My Sahara came w/foglights from
the
> > > > factory and, therefore I also had the wiring already in place. I
> > received
> > > > several recommendations from several sources (including this NG) to
use
> > > this
> > > > type of harness as part of the conversion. I do , in fact use the
Hellas
> > &
> > > > fog lights together, pretty much all of the time (I like the way it
> > lights
> > > > up the shoulder area). It is also said that the Hellas are brighter
with
> > > the
> > > > harness than with factory wiring. I installed the harness @ the same
> > time
> > > as
> > > > the headlights - so I can't give the voice of experience in that
area.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > > carlojr@attbi
> > > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > > O|||||||O
> > > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:vg14jsa7q8et11@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > That is a great solution when you haven't got driving (fog) lights
> > > > already.
> > > > > He already has the wiring in place, so the question is if it can
> > > withstand
> > > > > the load, of if he should use the factory wiring to turn a relay
on
> > and
> > > > off.
> > > > > I think the factory wiring can handle the Hellas, and it can
certainly
> > > > > handle the low wattage bulbs rated at 55W. I think it should be
able
> > to
> > > > > handle the 100W bulbs also. Obviously, the factory wiring can not
> > handle
> > > > > both the Hellas and the factory fog lamps at the same time. In
this
> > sort
> > > > of
> > > > > installation, he will need to install a relay.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carlo Jr." <carlojr@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:xB7La.40237$e26.23635@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
> > > > > > AIR #509102 harness - has 2 relays directly off of the battery
that
> > > hook
> > > > > to
> > > > > > your stock headlight switch & the headlights. Took 10 minutes to
> > hook
> > > > up.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > used the screws that hold down the front of the power control
box to
> > > > hold
> > > > > > the relays (looks like they belong there). Lots cheaper than
> > painless
> > > > wire
> > > > > > product - works rather well.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > > > > carlojr@attbi
> > > > > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > > > > O|||||||O
> > > > > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "WillysGuy" <willysguy@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:20030625114917.10018.00000841@mb-m26.aol.com...
> > > > > > > I've decided to replace the current driving lights on my 2000
> > > Wrangler
> > > > > > Sport
> > > > > > > with Hella 500 Driving Lights. 55W bulbs for now....100W bulbs
> > > later.
> > > > > Will
> > > > > > I be
> > > > > > > able to use the stock wiring for the Hella 500 lights? Also,
are
> > the
> > > > > > current
> > > > > > > lights already relayed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Pete
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

Mike Romain

In the last year of one contract I do for fleet mobile data systems
service, I had to wire three different vans with a jumper from the
battery to one headlight so they could do their midnight delivery run.

Two GM's and one Ford. Older Jeeps use GM switches...

That sure wasn't part of my job description, but the company sure liked
it and the owner/operator driver didn't have to rent a truck at 1:00 or
2:00 AM... 'Tips' were not uncommon for being able to do that for the
drivers either. ;-)

It was always from high watt lights and usually added driving lights
with no relays.

I even got tagged that way once with a 'new' vehicle. It had halogens
and the GM switch breaker decided to pop it's guts 50 miles from home
with empty road all the way. Thankfully there was a full moon and clear
skies...

Mike

"Carlo Jr." wrote:
>
> Yo Mike
> thanks for the clarification
>
> --
> Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> carlojr@attbi
> '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> O|||||||O
> '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F00C726.C04D6A43@sympatico.ca...
> > If it is a headlight replacement with higher wattage lights, relay them
> > with direct fused power.
> >
> > The stock switch won't take the higher power on any vintage of Jeep and
> > most other vehicles too for that matter.
> >
> > I have seen way too many switches smoke out from strong lights, way too
> > many.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > "Carlo Jr." wrote:
> > >
> > > I must be getting as bad as bill............I misread "driving".
> > > I am running the "Euro" Hella headlamp replacements - was told that
> factory
> > > wiring would work but that the Hellas were harder on the wiring & switch
> as
> > > per a link on this NG - if you like I'll try to find the link & post it
> > > again - not really all that important other than fyi
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > carlojr@attbi
> > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > O|||||||O
> > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vg1auv69k6hh95@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > It sounds like your Hellas are headlamp replacements, I was thinking
> the
> > > > original; poster had Hella offroad or fog lights that he wanted to
> install
> > > > in place of the factory fogs.
> > > >
> > > > You can easily run Hella headlamp replacements and the factory fog
> lamps
> > > or
> > > > even Hella fog lamps all at the same time because these are separate
> > > > circuits. I don't know if the wiring harness will cause the lamps to
> burn
> > > > brighter, but I would be surprised.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Carlo Jr." <a.serusa@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:f71Ma.67296$R73.9338@sccrnsc04...
> > > > > This harness is for the headlights. My Sahara came w/foglights from
> the
> > > > > factory and, therefore I also had the wiring already in place. I
> > > received
> > > > > several recommendations from several sources (including this NG) to
> use
> > > > this
> > > > > type of harness as part of the conversion. I do , in fact use the
> Hellas
> > > &
> > > > > fog lights together, pretty much all of the time (I like the way it
> > > lights
> > > > > up the shoulder area). It is also said that the Hellas are brighter
> with
> > > > the
> > > > > harness than with factory wiring. I installed the harness @ the same
> > > time
> > > > as
> > > > > the headlights - so I can't give the voice of experience in that
> area.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > > > carlojr@attbi
> > > > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > > > O|||||||O
> > > > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:vg14jsa7q8et11@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > That is a great solution when you haven't got driving (fog) lights
> > > > > already.
> > > > > > He already has the wiring in place, so the question is if it can
> > > > withstand
> > > > > > the load, of if he should use the factory wiring to turn a relay
> on
> > > and
> > > > > off.
> > > > > > I think the factory wiring can handle the Hellas, and it can
> certainly
> > > > > > handle the low wattage bulbs rated at 55W. I think it should be
> able
> > > to
> > > > > > handle the 100W bulbs also. Obviously, the factory wiring can not
> > > handle
> > > > > > both the Hellas and the factory fog lamps at the same time. In
> this
> > > sort
> > > > > of
> > > > > > installation, he will need to install a relay.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Carlo Jr." <carlojr@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:xB7La.40237$e26.23635@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
> > > > > > > AIR #509102 harness - has 2 relays directly off of the battery
> that
> > > > hook
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > your stock headlight switch & the headlights. Took 10 minutes to
> > > hook
> > > > > up.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > used the screws that hold down the front of the power control
> box to
> > > > > hold
> > > > > > > the relays (looks like they belong there). Lots cheaper than
> > > painless
> > > > > wire
> > > > > > > product - works rather well.....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > > > > > > carlojr@attbi
> > > > > > > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > > > > > > O|||||||O
> > > > > > > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "WillysGuy" <willysguy@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:20030625114917.10018.00000841@mb-m26.aol.com...
> > > > > > > > I've decided to replace the current driving lights on my 2000
> > > > Wrangler
> > > > > > > Sport
> > > > > > > > with Hella 500 Driving Lights. 55W bulbs for now....100W bulbs
> > > > later.
> > > > > > Will
> > > > > > > I be
> > > > > > > > able to use the stock wiring for the Hella 500 lights? Also,
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> > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > lights already relayed?
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> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > Pete
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