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Re: What kind of gas?
samos@sympatico.ca wrote:
> > I have a new Wrangler/TJ Sport ... 6 cylinders, automatic transmission > .... what type of gas should I be buying ... regular? medium? You should be using the minimum recommended by the owner's manual, which is 87 octane and nothing more. Any higher octane is a waste of money unless you're getting detonation and higher octane cures it. |
Re: What kind of gas?
I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on my
Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual required it. My Firebird has a sticker on the filler door that says High Grade is recomended. See Manual for details. So I checked. It said you can safely use 87 but will encounted lower performance, pinging, and hesitation expecially at lower sea levels. My mechanic said you should always use 93, in almost every vehicle. He's got a 2002 Grand Cherokee Limited, and a 1990 Cherokee. We use our vehicles for beach driving. We go from here, 200 ft above sea level to right down to sea level. Sometimes you have to pour 106+ octane booster in carbed Jeeps just to get them to run without hesitation. Then when you get back to higher levels, it runs with lots more power with the octane booster in it. |
Re: What kind of gas?
I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on my
Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual required it. My Firebird has a sticker on the filler door that says High Grade is recomended. See Manual for details. So I checked. It said you can safely use 87 but will encounted lower performance, pinging, and hesitation expecially at lower sea levels. My mechanic said you should always use 93, in almost every vehicle. He's got a 2002 Grand Cherokee Limited, and a 1990 Cherokee. We use our vehicles for beach driving. We go from here, 200 ft above sea level to right down to sea level. Sometimes you have to pour 106+ octane booster in carbed Jeeps just to get them to run without hesitation. Then when you get back to higher levels, it runs with lots more power with the octane booster in it. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Mark12211 wrote:
> I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on my > Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual > required it. .... > My mechanic said you should always use 93, in almost every vehicle. He's > got a 2002 Grand Cherokee Limited, and a 1990 Cherokee. Your mechanic is dead wrong. Octane is used to prevent detonation, not add performance as many believe. It can add performance only if a lower octane is robbing the engine performance. The only thing you can do to get better performance by using higher octane (other than adding more compression) is to advance the initial timing. The higher octane will prevent detonation at more agressive timing settings and often a bump your timing will make it run better and have more power, but going too far makes it more difficult to start. Staying with the standard timing settings, and not increasing your compression only requires the minimum octane required. Anything more is just throwing money away. Now, I've heard, though not experienced, people having detonation while towing vehicles and more octane will certainly help for that. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Mark12211 wrote:
> I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on my > Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual > required it. .... > My mechanic said you should always use 93, in almost every vehicle. He's > got a 2002 Grand Cherokee Limited, and a 1990 Cherokee. Your mechanic is dead wrong. Octane is used to prevent detonation, not add performance as many believe. It can add performance only if a lower octane is robbing the engine performance. The only thing you can do to get better performance by using higher octane (other than adding more compression) is to advance the initial timing. The higher octane will prevent detonation at more agressive timing settings and often a bump your timing will make it run better and have more power, but going too far makes it more difficult to start. Staying with the standard timing settings, and not increasing your compression only requires the minimum octane required. Anything more is just throwing money away. Now, I've heard, though not experienced, people having detonation while towing vehicles and more octane will certainly help for that. |
Re: What kind of gas?
"Mark12211" <mark12211@aol.com> wrote in message news:20030906105647.22670.00000391@mb-m23.aol.com... > I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on my > Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual required > it. Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon build-up in low compression engines. __ Steve .. |
Re: What kind of gas?
"Mark12211" <mark12211@aol.com> wrote in message news:20030906105647.22670.00000391@mb-m23.aol.com... > I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on my > Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual required > it. Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon build-up in low compression engines. __ Steve .. |
Re: What kind of gas?
But that carbon build-up would just cause more pinging and/or knocking since
it glows after combustion and will prematurely ignite the air-fuel mixture during the next compression stroke. Jerry -- Jerry Bransford To email, remove 'me' from my email address KC6TAY, PP-ASEL See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message news:82o6b.6519$cQ1.1856858@kent.svc.tds.net... > Now there is a new way to raise compression. Get enough carbon encrusting > the combustion chamber to bump it up a point or two. It's hell on the flow > pattern though. > > "Steve Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:ntn6b.1812$LB5.276@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com ... > > > > "Mark12211" <mark12211@aol.com> wrote in message > > news:20030906105647.22670.00000391@mb-m23.aol.com... > > > I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on my > > > Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual > > required > > > it. > > > > Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most > > newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon > > build-up in low compression engines. > > __ > > Steve > > . > > > > > > |
Re: What kind of gas?
But that carbon build-up would just cause more pinging and/or knocking since
it glows after combustion and will prematurely ignite the air-fuel mixture during the next compression stroke. Jerry -- Jerry Bransford To email, remove 'me' from my email address KC6TAY, PP-ASEL See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message news:82o6b.6519$cQ1.1856858@kent.svc.tds.net... > Now there is a new way to raise compression. Get enough carbon encrusting > the combustion chamber to bump it up a point or two. It's hell on the flow > pattern though. > > "Steve Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:ntn6b.1812$LB5.276@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com ... > > > > "Mark12211" <mark12211@aol.com> wrote in message > > news:20030906105647.22670.00000391@mb-m23.aol.com... > > > I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on my > > > Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual > > required > > > it. > > > > Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most > > newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon > > build-up in low compression engines. > > __ > > Steve > > . > > > > > > |
Re: What kind of gas?
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F59FD95.B051EBAE@sympatico.ca... > Your mechanic has been ripping you off then or has no clue how to set up > a carb engine.... thanks for beating me to it......you put it a whole lot nicer than i was going to! :-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
Re: What kind of gas?
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F59FD95.B051EBAE@sympatico.ca... > Your mechanic has been ripping you off then or has no clue how to set up > a carb engine.... thanks for beating me to it......you put it a whole lot nicer than i was going to! :-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com |
Re: What kind of gas?
it was not meant to be serious.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message news:gNo6b.46348$Qy4.38723@fed1read05... > But that carbon build-up would just cause more pinging and/or knocking since > it glows after combustion and will prematurely ignite the air-fuel mixture > during the next compression stroke. > > Jerry > -- > Jerry Bransford > To email, remove 'me' from my email address > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message > news:82o6b.6519$cQ1.1856858@kent.svc.tds.net... > > Now there is a new way to raise compression. Get enough carbon encrusting > > the combustion chamber to bump it up a point or two. It's hell on the flow > > pattern though. > > > > "Steve Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > news:ntn6b.1812$LB5.276@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com ... > > > > > > "Mark12211" <mark12211@aol.com> wrote in message > > > news:20030906105647.22670.00000391@mb-m23.aol.com... > > > > I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on > my > > > > Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual > > > required > > > > it. > > > > > > Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most > > > newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause > carbon > > > build-up in low compression engines. > > > __ > > > Steve > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: What kind of gas?
it was not meant to be serious.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message news:gNo6b.46348$Qy4.38723@fed1read05... > But that carbon build-up would just cause more pinging and/or knocking since > it glows after combustion and will prematurely ignite the air-fuel mixture > during the next compression stroke. > > Jerry > -- > Jerry Bransford > To email, remove 'me' from my email address > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message > news:82o6b.6519$cQ1.1856858@kent.svc.tds.net... > > Now there is a new way to raise compression. Get enough carbon encrusting > > the combustion chamber to bump it up a point or two. It's hell on the flow > > pattern though. > > > > "Steve Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > news:ntn6b.1812$LB5.276@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com ... > > > > > > "Mark12211" <mark12211@aol.com> wrote in message > > > news:20030906105647.22670.00000391@mb-m23.aol.com... > > > > I disagree. I say use High grade all the time. I have to anyway on > my > > > > Wrangler, cause the mechanic who put the new carb on said the manual > > > required > > > > it. > > > > > > Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most > > > newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause > carbon > > > build-up in low compression engines. > > > __ > > > Steve > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: What kind of gas?
Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the
only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas. Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes. Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not octanes. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: > > All major premium gasolines use cleaning additives. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Steve Cowell wrote: > > > > Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most > > newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon > > build-up in low compression engines. > > __ > > Steve > > . |
Re: What kind of gas?
Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the
only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas. Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes. Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not octanes. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: > > All major premium gasolines use cleaning additives. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Steve Cowell wrote: > > > > Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most > > newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon > > build-up in low compression engines. > > __ > > Steve > > . |
Re: What kind of gas?
Talk to any transport driver, they are the one's that make the
final mix. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the > only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas. > > Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't > reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes. > > Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not > octanes. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: What kind of gas?
Talk to any transport driver, they are the one's that make the
final mix. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the > only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas. > > Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't > reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes. > > Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not > octanes. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: What kind of gas?
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:3F59FD95.B051EBAE@sympatico.ca... > > Your mechanic has been ripping you off then or has no clue how to set up > > a carb engine.... > > thanks for beating me to it......you put it a whole lot nicer than i was > going to! :-) > > -- Well, any mechanic that sets up an engine so bad it needs 106 octane to not knock or not run well, is out to lunch in my mind. Or something else is big time wrong somewhere and he upped the timing to compensate.... No way a stock engine needs a slower burning gas than you can get at the pumps. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: What kind of gas?
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:3F59FD95.B051EBAE@sympatico.ca... > > Your mechanic has been ripping you off then or has no clue how to set up > > a carb engine.... > > thanks for beating me to it......you put it a whole lot nicer than i was > going to! :-) > > -- Well, any mechanic that sets up an engine so bad it needs 106 octane to not knock or not run well, is out to lunch in my mind. Or something else is big time wrong somewhere and he upped the timing to compensate.... No way a stock engine needs a slower burning gas than you can get at the pumps. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: What kind of gas?
I've had two engineers from major oil companies swear up and down
that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in "cleaning additives". Approximately 9/6/03 10:54, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity: > All major premium gasolines use cleaning additives. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Steve Cowell wrote: >> >> Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most >> newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon >> build-up in low compression engines. >> __ >> Steve >> . |
Re: What kind of gas?
I've had two engineers from major oil companies swear up and down
that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in "cleaning additives". Approximately 9/6/03 10:54, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity: > All major premium gasolines use cleaning additives. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Steve Cowell wrote: >> >> Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most >> newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon >> build-up in low compression engines. >> __ >> Steve >> . |
Re: What kind of gas?
Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in
organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get some halfway useful information. Approximately 9/6/03 14:13, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity: > Talk to any transport driver, they are the one's that make the > final mix. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Mike Romain wrote: >> >> Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the >> only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas. >> >> Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't >> reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes. >> >> Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not >> octanes. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: What kind of gas?
Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in
organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get some halfway useful information. Approximately 9/6/03 14:13, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity: > Talk to any transport driver, they are the one's that make the > final mix. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Mike Romain wrote: >> >> Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the >> only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas. >> >> Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't >> reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes. >> >> Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not >> octanes. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: What kind of gas?
Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different
octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies operate together. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon Stowell wrote: > > Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in > organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get > some halfway useful information. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different
octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies operate together. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon Stowell wrote: > > Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in > organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get > some halfway useful information. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Lon, you can't possibly believe that. That's like saying all after
market additives are the same, although many are snake oil, most commonly kerosene. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon Stowell wrote: > > I've had two engineers from major oil companies swear up and down > that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be > useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no > substantive differences in "cleaning additives". |
Re: What kind of gas?
Lon, you can't possibly believe that. That's like saying all after
market additives are the same, although many are snake oil, most commonly kerosene. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon Stowell wrote: > > I've had two engineers from major oil companies swear up and down > that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be > useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no > substantive differences in "cleaning additives". |
Re: What kind of gas?
I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really
are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff" sort. Approximately 9/6/03 16:50, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity: > Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different > octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program > the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a > pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies > operate together. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ |
Re: What kind of gas?
I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really
are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff" sort. Approximately 9/6/03 16:50, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity: > Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different > octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program > the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a > pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies > operate together. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ |
Re: What kind of gas?
Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the
detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Lon Stowell wrote: > > I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really > are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the > cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more > octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question > is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still > unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as > opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff" > sort. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the
detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Lon Stowell wrote: > > I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really > are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the > cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more > octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question > is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still > unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as > opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff" > sort. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two
engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in "cleaning additives".] God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon Stowell wrote: > > I cannot imagine how a statement about the relative amounts > of detergents in pump gas could be twisted into anything > whatever concerning aftermarket additives. Feel free to > do so, just don't quote *me* out of context to make it > appear I said anything whatever on that *unrelated* red > herring issue. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two
engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in "cleaning additives".] God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon Stowell wrote: > > I cannot imagine how a statement about the relative amounts > of detergents in pump gas could be twisted into anything > whatever concerning aftermarket additives. Feel free to > do so, just don't quote *me* out of context to make it > appear I said anything whatever on that *unrelated* red > herring issue. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Approximately 9/6/03 18:54, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the > detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according > to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my > station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color > code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange > unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a > driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid? I didn't say they were stupid, but I'd be very surprised if they did more than follow instructions. And odd, but one of the oil company engineers who made the statement that *except* where an octane improver has dual use as a detergent there is little difference just happened to be from Chevron. I know their marketing departments would dearly love to have everyone believe otherwise, but the auto companies also seem to believe that there is more snake oil in those adverts than reality. This doesn't mean that I personally don't run a tank of premium every now and then, but that also doesn't mean there is a significant difference either. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Approximately 9/6/03 18:54, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the > detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according > to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my > station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color > code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange > unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a > driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid? I didn't say they were stupid, but I'd be very surprised if they did more than follow instructions. And odd, but one of the oil company engineers who made the statement that *except* where an octane improver has dual use as a detergent there is little difference just happened to be from Chevron. I know their marketing departments would dearly love to have everyone believe otherwise, but the auto companies also seem to believe that there is more snake oil in those adverts than reality. This doesn't mean that I personally don't run a tank of premium every now and then, but that also doesn't mean there is a significant difference either. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Approximately 9/6/03 18:58, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two > engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where > an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine > detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in > "cleaning additives".] Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness to continue this discussion when you lower yourself. AMF. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Approximately 9/6/03 18:58, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two > engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where > an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine > detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in > "cleaning additives".] Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness to continue this discussion when you lower yourself. AMF. |
Re: What kind of gas?
WHAT FACTS DID YOU OFFER!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon Stowell wrote: > > Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name > calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness > to continue this discussion when you lower yourself. > AMF. |
Re: What kind of gas?
WHAT FACTS DID YOU OFFER!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon Stowell wrote: > > Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name > calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness > to continue this discussion when you lower yourself. > AMF. |
Re: What kind of gas?
Approximately 9/6/03 19:32, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> WHAT FACTS DID YOU OFFER! > The discussion is *over*. Continue talking to yourself if you must. I won't lower myself to returning the insult. |
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