"Bobert" <uctraing@ultranet.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:11:39 -0700, "Barry White"
> <Singingin@theafterlife.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Let's hope so. There are plenty of unthinking conservs who run around like
> >little trains on a track
>
> The whole definition of "conservative" is messed up. The only real
> conservatives now - those who are conservative about the role
> and influence of government in our lives - are the Libertarians.
> The only ones actively defending our rights to privacy and freedom
> from government intrusions are some of the Liberals (although it
> was refreshing to see some of the neo-conservatives join in the
> effort to defeat the Bush "search everyone's credit card records"
> proposal. And where does that leave people like Bush and Cheney
> who allege to be conservatives ? As shameless self-promoters
> interested in only furthering their own business interests and
> fattening their wallets.
>
> There. I said it.
>
> BTW - Barry White - you had a great voice before you was dead.
>

Whatever is squatting in the Brown House defies description! They are surely not liberal
nor conservative. Sorry I had to die. I loved my voice too..... Me & Aretha make these
current day (music) punks look like chaff in the wind...

 

Marc wrote:
>
> Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote:
> >Marc wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Another oddity: On the "100 Greatest Country Music Songs" on CMT, it
> >> >was remarked that only Loretta Lynn could rhyme "hard" and "tired" in a
> >> >hit song and make it sound natural (song "Coalminer's Daughter").
> >>
> >> That would seem natural for any one from the south. "Tired" is pronounced
> >> "tard."
> >>
> >I hope you're not implying that everyone in the south prounces it that
> >way - I certainly don't (born and raised in VA) - it's more NC, GA, W
> >VA, TN, KY hill or trailer park accent.
>
> You left out MS, LA, TX, OK, AR, and possibly some others.
>
> And yes, I am stating that the Southern Accent (tm) does pronounce it that
> way. If you are claiming to be from the south but not pronounce it that
> way, then you don't have the Southern Accent (tm).
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"

Well no - not the stereotyped accent that they portray on TV. But
you're right - I think you will find the "tard" pronunciation more
prevalent than I had indicated. In fact the only southern states where
it is not at least relatively common are Florida (panhandle near Alabama
excepted) and maybe half of Virginia (Bristol and extreme southwest part
of the state excepted).

Believe it or not, you will also find it deep in the Rocky Mountains of
Colorado (apparently common ancestry to hill people of Kentucky).

Bill Putney
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Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote:
>Marc wrote:
>>
>> Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote:
>> >Marc wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Another oddity: On the "100 Greatest Country Music Songs" on CMT, it
>> >> >was remarked that only Loretta Lynn could rhyme "hard" and "tired" in a
>> >> >hit song and make it sound natural (song "Coalminer's Daughter").
>> >>
>> >> That would seem natural for any one from the south. "Tired" is pronounced
>> >> "tard."
>> >>
>> >I hope you're not implying that everyone in the south prounces it that
>> >way - I certainly don't (born and raised in VA) - it's more NC, GA, W
>> >VA, TN, KY hill or trailer park accent.
>>
>> You left out MS, LA, TX, OK, AR, and possibly some others.
>>
>> And yes, I am stating that the Southern Accent (tm) does pronounce it that
>> way. If you are claiming to be from the south but not pronounce it that
>> way, then you don't have the Southern Accent (tm).
>>
>> Marc
>> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
>Well no - not the stereotyped accent that they portray on TV.

On TV, it sounds to me like a New York accent that was slowed down. The TV
accents manage to drop letters when southerners add them (the
black-southern accent pronounces "car" as "car-uh" and the "r" is clearly
distinct in the regular Southern Accent (tm)), but on TV, I'll hear the
soft (almost missing) "r" on the end, as a New Englander would do it.

>But
>you're right - I think you will find the "tard" pronunciation more
>prevalent than I had indicated. In fact the only southern states where
>it is not at least relatively common are Florida (panhandle near Alabama
>excepted) and maybe half of Virginia (Bristol and extreme southwest part
>of the state excepted).

The Southern Accent (tm) is ------ across quite a distance. However, you
will not find the accent as strong in some places. The accents come and go
depending on geography. There are some areas of TX that were settled by
Germans. These areas, though housing some of the oldest communities in TX,
do not have a Southern Accent (tm). I was born and raised in Dallas and
lived there for more than 28 years before moving. I have no identifiable
accent. I use idioms and incorrect grammar associated with the south
sometimes (very rarely now, but more when I was there to speak like the
locals). For instance, it is a Texas thing (don't know how prevalent it is
across the rest of the souther states) to drop the -ly from adverbs,
especially when they end sentences. "Run down to the store real quick."
That and the regional descriptors for generic soft drinks (soda, pop, soda
pop, or, as they do it in Texas, Coke). Yes, you'd walk into a restaurant
in TX and no one would look at you funny if you asked, "What kind of Cokes
do you have?" and the waitress would respond, "Coke, Diet Coke, 7up, Dr.
Pepper, and Orange." Or you'd order a "Coke" and the waitress would ask,
"What kind?"

But now that I'm out of there, I dropped those, and people guess me as
being from the midwest. I get an occasional California, but I'm not tan
enough to pull that off...

>Believe it or not, you will also find it deep in the Rocky Mountains of
>Colorado (apparently common ancestry to hill people of Kentucky).

I've only been through Denver and to some of the resort towns. Like
Dallas, where I grew up, the resort towns weren't too distinctive in accent
because no one there was born there...

Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"

 

Marc wrote:

> The Southern Accent (tm) is ------ across quite a distance. However, you
> will not find the accent as strong in some places. The accents come and go
> depending on geography.

More to the point, there is not just one "southern accent" any more than
there is just one "northeastern accent." Its just as easy to tell a
Texan from a Georgian as it is to tell a Bostonian from a New Yorker.

 

Bostonians do not have accents, this is where it all started, the rest of the
country talks funny not us.
Frank Sawin

 

And a Jeep Thing as it's in this newsgroup. And maybe a Nissan thing as it's
in that newsgroup...

DAS
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"Marc" <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote in message
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But I am not that sure about the distinction between a New Yorker and a
Brit; once in Atlanta (where else?) I was asked by a young local, a tourist
guide in Underground Atlanta

1) whether I was a Yank (and I am from London, and I don't mean Ontario
or Schleswig-Holstein)
2) whether he sounded stoopid (because he spoke in a slow drawl -- was
that a Southern Accent(tm)?)

What this has to do with cars beats me, but I guess you can drive them with
any accent into any area...

:-))
DAS
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"Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message
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> Marc wrote:
>
> > The Southern Accent (tm) is ------ across quite a distance. However,
you
> > will not find the accent as strong in some places. The accents come and
go
> > depending on geography.
>
> More to the point, there is not just one "southern accent" any more than
> there is just one "northeastern accent." Its just as easy to tell a
> Texan from a Georgian as it is to tell a Bostonian from a New Yorker.
>
>