Gerald G. McGeorge

Mag chloride is really becoming an issue in CO. Vintage Jeeps, Land Cruisers
and other vehicles that just a few years ago were rust free are now starting
to decay and local folklore says it causes electrical problems as well.

I'd advise you to regularly pressure wash the underside of whatever you've
got. This can slow down any tendency to corrode.
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bjveas$ni9dd$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> One of my fender flares fell off on the way to work today. I saved it,
but
> I'm not sure if I want to re-install it. The department of transpertation
> here in Colorado uses mag chloride on the roads in the winter. My fender
> wells and panels are in fairly good condition with a little rust.
>
> Because of the corrosive ice control would it be better to take them all
off
> so I can spray them off easier. Or will they rust / corrode at the same
> rate with or without them installed?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
>

Gerald G. McGeorge

Indeed, not much better than rust-belt salt. Can't imagine what it's doing
to the water supply. (Of course, in Silverton the water in the Animas and
Mineral Creek is already full of gold & silver dust anyway!)


"Earle Horton" <ibnurse2sn@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bjvil1$nnh1s$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> It's more than folklore when you are holding a green crusty light socket
> in your hand. ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> > Mag chloride is really becoming an issue in CO. Vintage Jeeps, Land
Cruisers
> > and other vehicles that just a few years ago were rust free are now
starting
> > to decay and local folklore says it causes electrical problems as well.
> >
> > I'd advise you to regularly pressure wash the underside of whatever
you've
> > got. This can slow down any tendency to corrode.
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:bjveas$ni9dd$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>One of my fender flares fell off on the way to work today. I saved it,
> >
> > but
> >
> >>I'm not sure if I want to re-install it. The department of
transpertation
> >>here in Colorado uses mag chloride on the roads in the winter. My
fender
> >>wells and panels are in fairly good condition with a little rust.
> >>
> >>Because of the corrosive ice control would it be better to take them all
> >
> > off
> >
> >>so I can spray them off easier. Or will they rust / corrode at the same
> >>rate with or without them installed?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Paul
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

Gerald G. McGeorge

Indeed, not much better than rust-belt salt. Can't imagine what it's doing
to the water supply. (Of course, in Silverton the water in the Animas and
Mineral Creek is already full of gold & silver dust anyway!)


"Earle Horton" <ibnurse2sn@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bjvil1$nnh1s$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> It's more than folklore when you are holding a green crusty light socket
> in your hand. ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> > Mag chloride is really becoming an issue in CO. Vintage Jeeps, Land
Cruisers
> > and other vehicles that just a few years ago were rust free are now
starting
> > to decay and local folklore says it causes electrical problems as well.
> >
> > I'd advise you to regularly pressure wash the underside of whatever
you've
> > got. This can slow down any tendency to corrode.
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:bjveas$ni9dd$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>One of my fender flares fell off on the way to work today. I saved it,
> >
> > but
> >
> >>I'm not sure if I want to re-install it. The department of
transpertation
> >>here in Colorado uses mag chloride on the roads in the winter. My
fender
> >>wells and panels are in fairly good condition with a little rust.
> >>
> >>Because of the corrosive ice control would it be better to take them all
> >
> > off
> >
> >>so I can spray them off easier. Or will they rust / corrode at the same
> >>rate with or without them installed?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Paul
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

Earle Horton

What makes it so "tangy" are all the lead, tin, arsenic, cadmium and other
heavy metals. Also, our sewage treatment plant is about a hundred yards
from the Animas, your water supply...

Earle

"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vm6k0gh42e59b2@corp.supernews.com...
> Indeed, not much better than rust-belt salt. Can't imagine what it's doing
> to the water supply. (Of course, in Silverton the water in the Animas and
> Mineral Creek is already full of gold & silver dust anyway!)
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <ibnurse2sn@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:bjvil1$nnh1s$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > It's more than folklore when you are holding a green crusty light socket
> > in your hand. ;o)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> > > Mag chloride is really becoming an issue in CO. Vintage Jeeps, Land
> Cruisers
> > > and other vehicles that just a few years ago were rust free are now
> starting
> > > to decay and local folklore says it causes electrical problems as
well.
> > >
> > > I'd advise you to regularly pressure wash the underside of whatever
> you've
> > > got. This can slow down any tendency to corrode.
> > > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bjveas$ni9dd$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > >>One of my fender flares fell off on the way to work today. I saved
it,
> > >
> > > but
> > >
> > >>I'm not sure if I want to re-install it. The department of
> transpertation
> > >>here in Colorado uses mag chloride on the roads in the winter. My
> fender
> > >>wells and panels are in fairly good condition with a little rust.
> > >>
> > >>Because of the corrosive ice control would it be better to take them
all
> > >
> > > off
> > >
> > >>so I can spray them off easier. Or will they rust / corrode at the
same
> > >>rate with or without them installed?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>Paul
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

What makes it so "tangy" are all the lead, tin, arsenic, cadmium and other
heavy metals. Also, our sewage treatment plant is about a hundred yards
from the Animas, your water supply...

Earle

"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vm6k0gh42e59b2@corp.supernews.com...
> Indeed, not much better than rust-belt salt. Can't imagine what it's doing
> to the water supply. (Of course, in Silverton the water in the Animas and
> Mineral Creek is already full of gold & silver dust anyway!)
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <ibnurse2sn@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:bjvil1$nnh1s$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > It's more than folklore when you are holding a green crusty light socket
> > in your hand. ;o)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:
> > > Mag chloride is really becoming an issue in CO. Vintage Jeeps, Land
> Cruisers
> > > and other vehicles that just a few years ago were rust free are now
> starting
> > > to decay and local folklore says it causes electrical problems as
well.
> > >
> > > I'd advise you to regularly pressure wash the underside of whatever
> you've
> > > got. This can slow down any tendency to corrode.
> > > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bjveas$ni9dd$1@ID-190695.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > >>One of my fender flares fell off on the way to work today. I saved
it,
> > >
> > > but
> > >
> > >>I'm not sure if I want to re-install it. The department of
> transpertation
> > >>here in Colorado uses mag chloride on the roads in the winter. My
> fender
> > >>wells and panels are in fairly good condition with a little rust.
> > >>
> > >>Because of the corrosive ice control would it be better to take them
all
> > >
> > > off
> > >
> > >>so I can spray them off easier. Or will they rust / corrode at the
same
> > >>rate with or without them installed?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>Paul
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/18/03 07:44, Joshua Nelson uttered for posterity:

> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<vm6k0gh42e59b2@corp.supernews.com>...
>> Indeed, not much better than rust-belt salt. Can't imagine what it's doing
>> to the water supply. (Of course, in Silverton the water in the Animas and
>> Mineral Creek is already full of gold & silver dust anyway!)
>>
>
> Is this harmful? I thought one of the primary advantages of precious
> metals was that they were totally non-reactive. You could eat a big
> plate of gold dust and it would pass right through you without
> poisoning you... unlike, say, lead.

A very tiny amount will be dissolved by the hydrochloric acid
in your stomach. Note that this is a *very* tiny amount,
and if it were pure gold completely biologically irrelevant.
This of course applies only to those folks who don't have
aqua regia in their digestive system, one of the few solvents
for gold. Problem with metal deposits is that most of them
are tailings. And the gold is mixed with such stuff as arsenic,
copper, lead, silver, etc. etc. depending on the particular
deposit it came from. Pure gold in Colorado is pretty rare
even as nuggets or flakes.

Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/18/03 07:44, Joshua Nelson uttered for posterity:

> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<vm6k0gh42e59b2@corp.supernews.com>...
>> Indeed, not much better than rust-belt salt. Can't imagine what it's doing
>> to the water supply. (Of course, in Silverton the water in the Animas and
>> Mineral Creek is already full of gold & silver dust anyway!)
>>
>
> Is this harmful? I thought one of the primary advantages of precious
> metals was that they were totally non-reactive. You could eat a big
> plate of gold dust and it would pass right through you without
> poisoning you... unlike, say, lead.

A very tiny amount will be dissolved by the hydrochloric acid
in your stomach. Note that this is a *very* tiny amount,
and if it were pure gold completely biologically irrelevant.
This of course applies only to those folks who don't have
aqua regia in their digestive system, one of the few solvents
for gold. Problem with metal deposits is that most of them
are tailings. And the gold is mixed with such stuff as arsenic,
copper, lead, silver, etc. etc. depending on the particular
deposit it came from. Pure gold in Colorado is pretty rare
even as nuggets or flakes.

Gerald G. McGeorge

I was just joking with Earle, who lives in the heart of one of Colorado's
historic mining districts. Although the decrepit mine relics are scenic and
romantic and all that, the mines and their toxic tailings runoff into the
Animas river, making it a risky drink of water to say the least. The area
dates from the late 1800's and has been designated a massive Superfund site.
Some of the worst sites have been reclaimed, but because they involve
literally thousands of old claims the legal entanglement will take decades
to unravel. Meanwhile the old mines & tailings continue to leach toxics into
the watershed.

Some historic preservation is going on in the area, but one old curmudgeon
who owns about 900 acres of the old historic Red Mountain mining district
between Silverton and Ouray and has set about destroying the historic
structures on his land, just to be an @$$#0!e. He wants 9 million for it,
and the best appraisal to date is 1/10th that.


<lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5Skab.501393$Ho3.84443@sccrnsc03...
> Approximately 9/18/03 07:44, Joshua Nelson uttered for posterity:
>
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:<vm6k0gh42e59b2@corp.supernews.com>...
> >> Indeed, not much better than rust-belt salt. Can't imagine what it's
doing
> >> to the water supply. (Of course, in Silverton the water in the Animas
and
> >> Mineral Creek is already full of gold & silver dust anyway!)
> >>
> >
> > Is this harmful? I thought one of the primary advantages of precious
> > metals was that they were totally non-reactive. You could eat a big
> > plate of gold dust and it would pass right through you without
> > poisoning you... unlike, say, lead.
>
> A very tiny amount will be dissolved by the hydrochloric acid
> in your stomach. Note that this is a *very* tiny amount,
> and if it were pure gold completely biologically irrelevant.
> This of course applies only to those folks who don't have
> aqua regia in their digestive system, one of the few solvents
> for gold. Problem with metal deposits is that most of them
> are tailings. And the gold is mixed with such stuff as arsenic,
> copper, lead, silver, etc. etc. depending on the particular
> deposit it came from. Pure gold in Colorado is pretty rare
> even as nuggets or flakes.
>

Gerald G. McGeorge

I was just joking with Earle, who lives in the heart of one of Colorado's
historic mining districts. Although the decrepit mine relics are scenic and
romantic and all that, the mines and their toxic tailings runoff into the
Animas river, making it a risky drink of water to say the least. The area
dates from the late 1800's and has been designated a massive Superfund site.
Some of the worst sites have been reclaimed, but because they involve
literally thousands of old claims the legal entanglement will take decades
to unravel. Meanwhile the old mines & tailings continue to leach toxics into
the watershed.

Some historic preservation is going on in the area, but one old curmudgeon
who owns about 900 acres of the old historic Red Mountain mining district
between Silverton and Ouray and has set about destroying the historic
structures on his land, just to be an @$$#0!e. He wants 9 million for it,
and the best appraisal to date is 1/10th that.


<lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5Skab.501393$Ho3.84443@sccrnsc03...
> Approximately 9/18/03 07:44, Joshua Nelson uttered for posterity:
>
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:<vm6k0gh42e59b2@corp.supernews.com>...
> >> Indeed, not much better than rust-belt salt. Can't imagine what it's
doing
> >> to the water supply. (Of course, in Silverton the water in the Animas
and
> >> Mineral Creek is already full of gold & silver dust anyway!)
> >>
> >
> > Is this harmful? I thought one of the primary advantages of precious
> > metals was that they were totally non-reactive. You could eat a big
> > plate of gold dust and it would pass right through you without
> > poisoning you... unlike, say, lead.
>
> A very tiny amount will be dissolved by the hydrochloric acid
> in your stomach. Note that this is a *very* tiny amount,
> and if it were pure gold completely biologically irrelevant.
> This of course applies only to those folks who don't have
> aqua regia in their digestive system, one of the few solvents
> for gold. Problem with metal deposits is that most of them
> are tailings. And the gold is mixed with such stuff as arsenic,
> copper, lead, silver, etc. etc. depending on the particular
> deposit it came from. Pure gold in Colorado is pretty rare
> even as nuggets or flakes.
>

Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/18/03 09:43, Gerald G. McGeorge uttered for posterity:

> I was just joking with Earle, who lives in the heart of one of Colorado's
> historic mining districts. Although the decrepit mine relics are scenic and
> romantic and all that, the mines and their toxic tailings runoff into the
> Animas river, making it a risky drink of water to say the least. The area
> dates from the late 1800's and has been designated a massive Superfund site.
> Some of the worst sites have been reclaimed, but because they involve
> literally thousands of old claims the legal entanglement will take decades
> to unravel. Meanwhile the old mines & tailings continue to leach toxics into
> the watershed.

Yeah, I know. "Clear Creek" just west of Denver could probably
qualify as toxic waste in any other state, plus all the water
trapped in the old gold mill near Idaho Springs.
>
> Some historic preservation is going on in the area, but one old curmudgeon
> who owns about 900 acres of the old historic Red Mountain mining district
> between Silverton and Ouray and has set about destroying the historic
> structures on his land, just to be an @$$#0!e. He wants 9 million for it,
> and the best appraisal to date is 1/10th that.

Too bad. The tailings piles themselves I have mixed feelings
about, since they do tend to be somewhat toxic, but it would be
nice if there was some way to remove the heavy metals from them
and leave them there... they do add a bit of variation to the
local mountains.