Jerry Bransford

That's a good year, it has the good fuel injected 4.0L engine, the
non-French Aisin AX-15 tranny, and is otherwise a good year for a Wrangler.
But isn't the Renegade the one with all the wild plastic fenders and steps
that earned it the Ugliest Jeep Wrangler Design Ever award? ;)

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
news:biphco$eoe$2@news.wave.co.nz...
> Hi All,
>
> I test drove today a '01 Wrangler Renegade. Its a 4.0L Auto with 29k
> kilometres on the clock. An aftermarket alarm with remote door locking
has
> been fitted. Its black exterior with black hardtop and BFG A/T tyres. It
> is still under original warranty for another six months. One owner driven
> and maintained by the dealer, that is where I saw it. The dealer had not
> had the time to clean it yet as it only came in the morning, so I saw it
as
> is before the dealer could do his magic.
>
> The only thing I noticed was a slight seepage of oil under the tranny. It
> was only noticeable when I touched it, it was not dripping or anything. I
> am having it independently mechanically tested, but was wondering what are
> some of the things I should be checking. What are the pros and cons for
> this particular model. It has had no modifications done and from what I
> could see, it does not appear to have been drive offroad much.
>
> The guy at the dealership did not know the full specs, can anybody list
> what was standard in a Renegade. It had the speaker bar, full carpeting
> and five spoke aluminium wheels.
>
> Thanks
> TW
>
>

Dave Milne

I think there's a mistake - the fugly Renegade was a YJ as you describe, but
he said '01 with 20k miles on it which would make it a TJ .. They haven't
made a Renegade TJ have they ? Perhaps someone has been playing with
stickers.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:U5Y3b.27980$Qy4.18928@fed1read05...
: That's a good year, it has the good fuel injected 4.0L engine, the
: non-French Aisin AX-15 tranny, and is otherwise a good year for a
Wrangler.
: But isn't the Renegade the one with all the wild plastic fenders and steps
: that earned it the Ugliest Jeep Wrangler Design Ever award? ;)
:
: Jerry
: --
: Jerry Bransford
: To email, remove 'me' from my email address
: KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
: See the Geezer Jeep at
: http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
:
: "TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
: news:biphco$eoe$2@news.wave.co.nz...
: > Hi All,
: >
: > I test drove today a '01 Wrangler Renegade. Its a 4.0L Auto with 29k
: > kilometres on the clock. An aftermarket alarm with remote door locking
: has
: > been fitted. Its black exterior with black hardtop and BFG A/T tyres.
It
: > is still under original warranty for another six months. One owner
driven
: > and maintained by the dealer, that is where I saw it. The dealer had
not
: > had the time to clean it yet as it only came in the morning, so I saw it
: as
: > is before the dealer could do his magic.
: >
: > The only thing I noticed was a slight seepage of oil under the tranny.
It
: > was only noticeable when I touched it, it was not dripping or anything.
I
: > am having it independently mechanically tested, but was wondering what
are
: > some of the things I should be checking. What are the pros and cons for
: > this particular model. It has had no modifications done and from what I
: > could see, it does not appear to have been drive offroad much.
: >
: > The guy at the dealership did not know the full specs, can anybody list
: > what was standard in a Renegade. It had the speaker bar, full carpeting
: > and five spoke aluminium wheels.
: >
: > Thanks
: > TW
: >
: >
:
:

Dave Milne

I think there's a mistake - the fugly Renegade was a YJ as you describe, but
he said '01 with 20k miles on it which would make it a TJ .. They haven't
made a Renegade TJ have they ? Perhaps someone has been playing with
stickers.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:U5Y3b.27980$Qy4.18928@fed1read05...
: That's a good year, it has the good fuel injected 4.0L engine, the
: non-French Aisin AX-15 tranny, and is otherwise a good year for a
Wrangler.
: But isn't the Renegade the one with all the wild plastic fenders and steps
: that earned it the Ugliest Jeep Wrangler Design Ever award? ;)
:
: Jerry
: --
: Jerry Bransford
: To email, remove 'me' from my email address
: KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
: See the Geezer Jeep at
: http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
:
: "TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
: news:biphco$eoe$2@news.wave.co.nz...
: > Hi All,
: >
: > I test drove today a '01 Wrangler Renegade. Its a 4.0L Auto with 29k
: > kilometres on the clock. An aftermarket alarm with remote door locking
: has
: > been fitted. Its black exterior with black hardtop and BFG A/T tyres.
It
: > is still under original warranty for another six months. One owner
driven
: > and maintained by the dealer, that is where I saw it. The dealer had
not
: > had the time to clean it yet as it only came in the morning, so I saw it
: as
: > is before the dealer could do his magic.
: >
: > The only thing I noticed was a slight seepage of oil under the tranny.
It
: > was only noticeable when I touched it, it was not dripping or anything.
I
: > am having it independently mechanically tested, but was wondering what
are
: > some of the things I should be checking. What are the pros and cons for
: > this particular model. It has had no modifications done and from what I
: > could see, it does not appear to have been drive offroad much.
: >
: > The guy at the dealership did not know the full specs, can anybody list
: > what was standard in a Renegade. It had the speaker bar, full carpeting
: > and five spoke aluminium wheels.
: >
: > Thanks
: > TW
: >
: >
:
:

TW

Well, it has been confusing me a little bit as well. The Jeep I drove is a
Wrangler (TJ), but it also had stickers on the side saying Renegade with
the Indian Chief emblem on both sides. I have primarily seen Sport and
Sahara TJs so far, this is the first Renegade. Since I was at the Jeep
main dealer in Auckland (New Zealand), I don't think they would have messed
with the sticker, or would they? It had body colour panels (which would
not have made much difference because it is black anyway). I have not made
a firm offer yet, as I need the mechanical report first to see the
condition. As for the appearance, it didn't seem to have any more plastic
than any other TJs in the lot (only two).

What about the oil smeared on the bottom of the tranny?

I have not owned a Jeep before, so any help either way from the experienced
hands in here would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
TW



"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:uF_3b.11552$j97.7810@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> I think there's a mistake - the fugly Renegade was a YJ as you describe,
but
> he said '01 with 20k miles on it which would make it a TJ .. They haven't
> made a Renegade TJ have they ? Perhaps someone has been playing with
> stickers.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:U5Y3b.27980$Qy4.18928@fed1read05...
> : That's a good year, it has the good fuel injected 4.0L engine, the
> : non-French Aisin AX-15 tranny, and is otherwise a good year for a
> Wrangler.
> : But isn't the Renegade the one with all the wild plastic fenders and
steps
> : that earned it the Ugliest Jeep Wrangler Design Ever award? ;)
> :
> : Jerry
> : --
> : Jerry Bransford
> : To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> : KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> : See the Geezer Jeep at
> : http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> :

TW

Well, it has been confusing me a little bit as well. The Jeep I drove is a
Wrangler (TJ), but it also had stickers on the side saying Renegade with
the Indian Chief emblem on both sides. I have primarily seen Sport and
Sahara TJs so far, this is the first Renegade. Since I was at the Jeep
main dealer in Auckland (New Zealand), I don't think they would have messed
with the sticker, or would they? It had body colour panels (which would
not have made much difference because it is black anyway). I have not made
a firm offer yet, as I need the mechanical report first to see the
condition. As for the appearance, it didn't seem to have any more plastic
than any other TJs in the lot (only two).

What about the oil smeared on the bottom of the tranny?

I have not owned a Jeep before, so any help either way from the experienced
hands in here would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
TW



"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:uF_3b.11552$j97.7810@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> I think there's a mistake - the fugly Renegade was a YJ as you describe,
but
> he said '01 with 20k miles on it which would make it a TJ .. They haven't
> made a Renegade TJ have they ? Perhaps someone has been playing with
> stickers.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:U5Y3b.27980$Qy4.18928@fed1read05...
> : That's a good year, it has the good fuel injected 4.0L engine, the
> : non-French Aisin AX-15 tranny, and is otherwise a good year for a
> Wrangler.
> : But isn't the Renegade the one with all the wild plastic fenders and
steps
> : that earned it the Ugliest Jeep Wrangler Design Ever award? ;)
> :
> : Jerry
> : --
> : Jerry Bransford
> : To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> : KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> : See the Geezer Jeep at
> : http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> :

David C. Moller

He's in New Zealand... I think they still sell 'Renegades' in certain
countries overseas.

Dave
http://home1.gte.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:07:19 +0100, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:

>I think there's a mistake - the fugly Renegade was a YJ as you describe, but
>he said '01 with 20k miles on it which would make it a TJ .. They haven't
>made a Renegade TJ have they ? Perhaps someone has been playing with
>stickers.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
>news:U5Y3b.27980$Qy4.18928@fed1read05...
>: That's a good year, it has the good fuel injected 4.0L engine, the
>: non-French Aisin AX-15 tranny, and is otherwise a good year for a
>Wrangler.
>: But isn't the Renegade the one with all the wild plastic fenders and steps
>: that earned it the Ugliest Jeep Wrangler Design Ever award? ;)
>:
>: Jerry
>: --
>: Jerry Bransford
>: To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>: KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>: See the Geezer Jeep at
>: http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>:
>: "TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
>: news:biphco$eoe$2@news.wave.co.nz...
>: > Hi All,
>: >
>: > I test drove today a '01 Wrangler Renegade. Its a 4.0L Auto with 29k
>: > kilometres on the clock. An aftermarket alarm with remote door locking
>: has
>: > been fitted. Its black exterior with black hardtop and BFG A/T tyres.
>It
>: > is still under original warranty for another six months. One owner
>driven
>: > and maintained by the dealer, that is where I saw it. The dealer had
>not
>: > had the time to clean it yet as it only came in the morning, so I saw it
>: as
>: > is before the dealer could do his magic.
>: >
>: > The only thing I noticed was a slight seepage of oil under the tranny.
>It
>: > was only noticeable when I touched it, it was not dripping or anything.
>I
>: > am having it independently mechanically tested, but was wondering what
>are
>: > some of the things I should be checking. What are the pros and cons for
>: > this particular model. It has had no modifications done and from what I
>: > could see, it does not appear to have been drive offroad much.
>: >
>: > The guy at the dealership did not know the full specs, can anybody list
>: > what was standard in a Renegade. It had the speaker bar, full carpeting
>: > and five spoke aluminium wheels.
>: >
>: > Thanks
>: > TW
>: >
>: >
>:
>:
>

David C. Moller

He's in New Zealand... I think they still sell 'Renegades' in certain
countries overseas.

Dave
http://home1.gte.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:07:19 +0100, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:

>I think there's a mistake - the fugly Renegade was a YJ as you describe, but
>he said '01 with 20k miles on it which would make it a TJ .. They haven't
>made a Renegade TJ have they ? Perhaps someone has been playing with
>stickers.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
>news:U5Y3b.27980$Qy4.18928@fed1read05...
>: That's a good year, it has the good fuel injected 4.0L engine, the
>: non-French Aisin AX-15 tranny, and is otherwise a good year for a
>Wrangler.
>: But isn't the Renegade the one with all the wild plastic fenders and steps
>: that earned it the Ugliest Jeep Wrangler Design Ever award? ;)
>:
>: Jerry
>: --
>: Jerry Bransford
>: To email, remove 'me' from my email address
>: KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>: See the Geezer Jeep at
>: http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>:
>: "TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
>: news:biphco$eoe$2@news.wave.co.nz...
>: > Hi All,
>: >
>: > I test drove today a '01 Wrangler Renegade. Its a 4.0L Auto with 29k
>: > kilometres on the clock. An aftermarket alarm with remote door locking
>: has
>: > been fitted. Its black exterior with black hardtop and BFG A/T tyres.
>It
>: > is still under original warranty for another six months. One owner
>driven
>: > and maintained by the dealer, that is where I saw it. The dealer had
>not
>: > had the time to clean it yet as it only came in the morning, so I saw it
>: as
>: > is before the dealer could do his magic.
>: >
>: > The only thing I noticed was a slight seepage of oil under the tranny.
>It
>: > was only noticeable when I touched it, it was not dripping or anything.
>I
>: > am having it independently mechanically tested, but was wondering what
>are
>: > some of the things I should be checking. What are the pros and cons for
>: > this particular model. It has had no modifications done and from what I
>: > could see, it does not appear to have been drive offroad much.
>: >
>: > The guy at the dealership did not know the full specs, can anybody list
>: > what was standard in a Renegade. It had the speaker bar, full carpeting
>: > and five spoke aluminium wheels.
>: >
>: > Thanks
>: > TW
>: >
>: >
>:
>:
>

Dave Milne

I wondered that and did a search on Google, but nothing came up.

TW, if you took a pic - post a link to it; we'd be interested.


Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
news:jei1lvg81d46uqkfcnvcs8n1122o2e7nnc@4ax.com...
: He's in New Zealand... I think they still sell 'Renegades' in certain
: countries overseas.
:
: Dave
: http://home1.gte.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
:
: On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:07:19 +0100, "Dave Milne"
: <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
:
: >I think there's a mistake - the fugly Renegade was a YJ as you describe,
but
: >he said '01 with 20k miles on it which would make it a TJ .. They haven't
: >made a Renegade TJ have they ? Perhaps someone has been playing with
: >stickers.
: >
: >Dave Milne, Scotland
: >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: >"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
: >news:U5Y3b.27980$Qy4.18928@fed1read05...
: >: That's a good year, it has the good fuel injected 4.0L engine, the
: >: non-French Aisin AX-15 tranny, and is otherwise a good year for a
: >Wrangler.
: >: But isn't the Renegade the one with all the wild plastic fenders and
steps
: >: that earned it the Ugliest Jeep Wrangler Design Ever award? ;)
: >:
: >: Jerry
: >: --
: >: Jerry Bransford
: >: To email, remove 'me' from my email address
: >: KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
: >: See the Geezer Jeep at
: >: http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
: >:
: >: "TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
: >: news:biphco$eoe$2@news.wave.co.nz...
: >: > Hi All,
: >: >
: >: > I test drove today a '01 Wrangler Renegade. Its a 4.0L Auto with 29k
: >: > kilometres on the clock. An aftermarket alarm with remote door
locking
: >: has
: >: > been fitted. Its black exterior with black hardtop and BFG A/T
tyres.
: >It
: >: > is still under original warranty for another six months. One owner
: >driven
: >: > and maintained by the dealer, that is where I saw it. The dealer had
: >not
: >: > had the time to clean it yet as it only came in the morning, so I saw
it
: >: as
: >: > is before the dealer could do his magic.
: >: >
: >: > The only thing I noticed was a slight seepage of oil under the
tranny.
: >It
: >: > was only noticeable when I touched it, it was not dripping or
anything.
: >I
: >: > am having it independently mechanically tested, but was wondering
what
: >are
: >: > some of the things I should be checking. What are the pros and cons
for
: >: > this particular model. It has had no modifications done and from
what I
: >: > could see, it does not appear to have been drive offroad much.
: >: >
: >: > The guy at the dealership did not know the full specs, can anybody
list
: >: > what was standard in a Renegade. It had the speaker bar, full
carpeting
: >: > and five spoke aluminium wheels.
: >: >
: >: > Thanks
: >: > TW
: >: >
: >: >
: >:
: >:
: >
:

Dave Milne

I wondered that and did a search on Google, but nothing came up.

TW, if you took a pic - post a link to it; we'd be interested.


Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"David C. Moller" <david_moller@msn.com> wrote in message
news:jei1lvg81d46uqkfcnvcs8n1122o2e7nnc@4ax.com...
: He's in New Zealand... I think they still sell 'Renegades' in certain
: countries overseas.
:
: Dave
: http://home1.gte.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
:
: On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:07:19 +0100, "Dave Milne"
: <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
:
: >I think there's a mistake - the fugly Renegade was a YJ as you describe,
but
: >he said '01 with 20k miles on it which would make it a TJ .. They haven't
: >made a Renegade TJ have they ? Perhaps someone has been playing with
: >stickers.
: >
: >Dave Milne, Scotland
: >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: >"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
: >news:U5Y3b.27980$Qy4.18928@fed1read05...
: >: That's a good year, it has the good fuel injected 4.0L engine, the
: >: non-French Aisin AX-15 tranny, and is otherwise a good year for a
: >Wrangler.
: >: But isn't the Renegade the one with all the wild plastic fenders and
steps
: >: that earned it the Ugliest Jeep Wrangler Design Ever award? ;)
: >:
: >: Jerry
: >: --
: >: Jerry Bransford
: >: To email, remove 'me' from my email address
: >: KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
: >: See the Geezer Jeep at
: >: http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
: >:
: >: "TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
: >: news:biphco$eoe$2@news.wave.co.nz...
: >: > Hi All,
: >: >
: >: > I test drove today a '01 Wrangler Renegade. Its a 4.0L Auto with 29k
: >: > kilometres on the clock. An aftermarket alarm with remote door
locking
: >: has
: >: > been fitted. Its black exterior with black hardtop and BFG A/T
tyres.
: >It
: >: > is still under original warranty for another six months. One owner
: >driven
: >: > and maintained by the dealer, that is where I saw it. The dealer had
: >not
: >: > had the time to clean it yet as it only came in the morning, so I saw
it
: >: as
: >: > is before the dealer could do his magic.
: >: >
: >: > The only thing I noticed was a slight seepage of oil under the
tranny.
: >It
: >: > was only noticeable when I touched it, it was not dripping or
anything.
: >I
: >: > am having it independently mechanically tested, but was wondering
what
: >are
: >: > some of the things I should be checking. What are the pros and cons
for
: >: > this particular model. It has had no modifications done and from
what I
: >: > could see, it does not appear to have been drive offroad much.
: >: >
: >: > The guy at the dealership did not know the full specs, can anybody
list
: >: > what was standard in a Renegade. It had the speaker bar, full
carpeting
: >: > and five spoke aluminium wheels.
: >: >
: >: > Thanks
: >: > TW
: >: >
: >: >
: >:
: >:
: >
: