Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
09-06-2004, 08:29 PM
#31
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Propane vehicles feed the Propane under pressure to a vaporizer, which
uses engine coolant to heat the propane. If it's going to freeze up
anywhere, it's going to be here-where propane takes the heat of
vaporization.
Frozen throttle bodies just haven't been a problem with propane
installations. Frozen coolant passages in vaporizers, evidently yes.
Carb fires in dual fuel installations, definitely. But no one in the
LP vehicle industry I have been able to find has ever heard of frozen
throttles.
Propane in short has problems-problems that can be solved, just like
gasoline has. Gasoline is not necessarily the best fuel, it's just the
one that's been the most available. If alcohols, kerosenes, heavy fuel
oils, or condensable gases were available much cheaper, and the
government didn't get in the way, we'd find ways to burn them and be
happy. Indeed, people have.
(I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
But then you get these fat pompous channelmasters who think they know
everything and they just like to badmouth anything that isn't the
status quo. I think it's because they are really afraid if they had to
go back and work out anything from first principles they'd be shown up
for what they are.
uses engine coolant to heat the propane. If it's going to freeze up
anywhere, it's going to be here-where propane takes the heat of
vaporization.
Frozen throttle bodies just haven't been a problem with propane
installations. Frozen coolant passages in vaporizers, evidently yes.
Carb fires in dual fuel installations, definitely. But no one in the
LP vehicle industry I have been able to find has ever heard of frozen
throttles.
Propane in short has problems-problems that can be solved, just like
gasoline has. Gasoline is not necessarily the best fuel, it's just the
one that's been the most available. If alcohols, kerosenes, heavy fuel
oils, or condensable gases were available much cheaper, and the
government didn't get in the way, we'd find ways to burn them and be
happy. Indeed, people have.
(I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
But then you get these fat pompous channelmasters who think they know
everything and they just like to badmouth anything that isn't the
status quo. I think it's because they are really afraid if they had to
go back and work out anything from first principles they'd be shown up
for what they are.
09-06-2004, 09:16 PM
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
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Ted Azito wrote:
><snip girlie boy babble>
>
> (I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
> ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
> injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
> cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
> cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
> for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
> overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
> throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
09-06-2004, 09:16 PM
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ted Azito wrote:
><snip girlie boy babble>
>
> (I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
> ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
> injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
> cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
> cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
> for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
> overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
> throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
09-06-2004, 09:16 PM
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Ted Azito wrote:
><snip girlie boy babble>
>
> (I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
> ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
> injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
> cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
> cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
> for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
> overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
> throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
09-06-2004, 10:05 PM
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Perfect for when you want rooster tails of dirt while plowing your field.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ted Azito wrote:
> ><snip girlie boy babble>
> >
> > (I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
> > ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
> > injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
> > cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
> > cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
> > for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
> > overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
> > throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:413D0BD8.EFC3AAFA@***.net...
>
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ted Azito wrote:
> ><snip girlie boy babble>
> >
> > (I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
> > ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
> > injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
> > cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
> > cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
> > for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
> > overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
> > throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
09-06-2004, 10:05 PM
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Perfect for when you want rooster tails of dirt while plowing your field.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:413D0BD8.EFC3AAFA@***.net...
>
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ted Azito wrote:
> ><snip girlie boy babble>
> >
> > (I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
> > ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
> > injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
> > cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
> > cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
> > for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
> > overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
> > throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:413D0BD8.EFC3AAFA@***.net...
>
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ted Azito wrote:
> ><snip girlie boy babble>
> >
> > (I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
> > ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
> > injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
> > cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
> > cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
> > for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
> > overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
> > throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
09-06-2004, 10:05 PM
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Perfect for when you want rooster tails of dirt while plowing your field.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:413D0BD8.EFC3AAFA@***.net...
>
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ted Azito wrote:
> ><snip girlie boy babble>
> >
> > (I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
> > ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
> > injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
> > cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
> > cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
> > for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
> > overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
> > throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:413D0BD8.EFC3AAFA@***.net...
>
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ted Azito wrote:
> ><snip girlie boy babble>
> >
> > (I'm not sure what you mean by a propane-diesel tractor. Compression
> > ignition engines cannot burn propane as a primary fuel,because diesel
> > injection systems aren't capable of handling what is essentially a
> > cryofuel and because propane is a very low cetane fuel. (Low
> > cetane~=high octane). Either it's used as a fumigant auxilliary fuel
> > for power augmentation and smoke abatement (which works well if not
> > overdone) or you drop the compression, put in a spark plug, and fit a
> > throttled propane mixer and run it as a spark ignition engine.)
09-06-2004, 10:17 PM
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
> Perfect for when you want rooster tails of dirt while plowing your field.
Or tractor pulls. :)
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote...
>>
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
Now where did I put that link for the 4x4 tearing down the drag strip....
Foo. It was here but it went bye bye. :(
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/p.degreef/movies.htm
--
DougW
> Perfect for when you want rooster tails of dirt while plowing your field.
Or tractor pulls. :)
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote...
>>
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
Now where did I put that link for the 4x4 tearing down the drag strip....
Foo. It was here but it went bye bye. :(
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/p.degreef/movies.htm
--
DougW
09-06-2004, 10:17 PM
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
> Perfect for when you want rooster tails of dirt while plowing your field.
Or tractor pulls. :)
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote...
>>
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
Now where did I put that link for the 4x4 tearing down the drag strip....
Foo. It was here but it went bye bye. :(
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/p.degreef/movies.htm
--
DougW
> Perfect for when you want rooster tails of dirt while plowing your field.
Or tractor pulls. :)
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote...
>>
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
Now where did I put that link for the 4x4 tearing down the drag strip....
Foo. It was here but it went bye bye. :(
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/p.degreef/movies.htm
--
DougW
09-06-2004, 10:17 PM
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
> Perfect for when you want rooster tails of dirt while plowing your field.
Or tractor pulls. :)
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote...
>>
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
Now where did I put that link for the 4x4 tearing down the drag strip....
Foo. It was here but it went bye bye. :(
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/p.degreef/movies.htm
--
DougW
> Perfect for when you want rooster tails of dirt while plowing your field.
Or tractor pulls. :)
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote...
>>
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...p-7284/c-10101
Now where did I put that link for the 4x4 tearing down the drag strip....
Foo. It was here but it went bye bye. :(
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/p.degreef/movies.htm
--
DougW
