Quick Torx rant..any suggestions?
05-09-2004, 04:01 PM
#71
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Re: Check the Size of bit - Was (Torx rant..any suggestions?)
touch up sticks??
You mean you cover the scratches on your jeep? haha
Sorry....I baby'd my jeep for a while when I first bought it. But I always
said....it gets pampered until I get the first scratch. I opened the door
in a parking lot that was off camber and my door flew open and hit their
mirror. But a knick on the edge of my door. SO...that was it...no more
baby'ing!! haha
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8fGdnUOMA4ew4wPd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I can't remember having any problems with this stuff removing paint
> BUT it is a solvent so like they say you might want to try it in a
inconspicuous
> spot first. Besides ain't that why they make those touch up sticks?
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p5qnc.16$n7P1.0@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
> > What will the adhesive dissolver do the the paint in general?
> >
> >
> > "Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:TYSdnS5l8_QriQPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > A little known fact is that Loctite makes a adhesive remover
> > > & you can put this stuff on & it will soak down the threads to
> > > get the job done. I've used this stuff in work with some success.
> > > If you go to the Loctite page it's advertised as:
> > >
> > > X-NMS® CleanUp Solvent for Instant Adhesives
> > >
> > > You might run into some problem with paint covering the bolt
> > > head in the area your talking about. I had to remove the bolts
> > > on the windshield brackets on my TJ when I installed a Garvin
> > > Wilderness expedition rack & I made sure I had a new torx
> > > bit & it was the CORRECT SIZE. It seems that especially with
> > > torx bolts that a smaller size bit will feel like its the right size
> > > but there will be just enough slop to mess up the bolt head.
> > > I know that on one of the Harleys that I had that they had their
> > > own size torx for something or other & I had to go & buy the
> > > torx bit from Harley
> > >
> > > L8r - Jersey
> > >
> > > "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3a3f4978.0405081630.5d0d332d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I've always had to struggle with these idiotic Torx bolts Jeep uses.
> > > > Today I was trying to put mirror relo brackets on...I was warned
> > > > before that the retards at the factory had lathered lots of Loctite
on
> > > > these particular ones when they installed them. It is now not
> > > > physically possible to exert enough force on these cheap bolts to
> > > > loosen them before they strip. No matter how I line them up or how
> > > > hard I keep the bit pressed in (even hammering the bit in doesn't
work
> > > > enough), these pieces of ---- just grind apart when I try to turn
> > > > them. What can I do? They're not totally stripped out yet-I think I
> > > > might just pay someone to spot weld a bar onto them and hammer them
> > > > out. What other options do I have? It's a '99 TJ with no rust or
> > > > anything in the holes. The Jeep is a great vehicle in the whole of
its
> > > > parts, but the details like this (and how cheap the black plastic on
> > > > the interior is) are where it sucks!
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
You mean you cover the scratches on your jeep? haha
Sorry....I baby'd my jeep for a while when I first bought it. But I always
said....it gets pampered until I get the first scratch. I opened the door
in a parking lot that was off camber and my door flew open and hit their
mirror. But a knick on the edge of my door. SO...that was it...no more
baby'ing!! haha
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8fGdnUOMA4ew4wPd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I can't remember having any problems with this stuff removing paint
> BUT it is a solvent so like they say you might want to try it in a
inconspicuous
> spot first. Besides ain't that why they make those touch up sticks?
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p5qnc.16$n7P1.0@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
> > What will the adhesive dissolver do the the paint in general?
> >
> >
> > "Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:TYSdnS5l8_QriQPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > A little known fact is that Loctite makes a adhesive remover
> > > & you can put this stuff on & it will soak down the threads to
> > > get the job done. I've used this stuff in work with some success.
> > > If you go to the Loctite page it's advertised as:
> > >
> > > X-NMS® CleanUp Solvent for Instant Adhesives
> > >
> > > You might run into some problem with paint covering the bolt
> > > head in the area your talking about. I had to remove the bolts
> > > on the windshield brackets on my TJ when I installed a Garvin
> > > Wilderness expedition rack & I made sure I had a new torx
> > > bit & it was the CORRECT SIZE. It seems that especially with
> > > torx bolts that a smaller size bit will feel like its the right size
> > > but there will be just enough slop to mess up the bolt head.
> > > I know that on one of the Harleys that I had that they had their
> > > own size torx for something or other & I had to go & buy the
> > > torx bit from Harley
> > >
> > > L8r - Jersey
> > >
> > > "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3a3f4978.0405081630.5d0d332d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I've always had to struggle with these idiotic Torx bolts Jeep uses.
> > > > Today I was trying to put mirror relo brackets on...I was warned
> > > > before that the retards at the factory had lathered lots of Loctite
on
> > > > these particular ones when they installed them. It is now not
> > > > physically possible to exert enough force on these cheap bolts to
> > > > loosen them before they strip. No matter how I line them up or how
> > > > hard I keep the bit pressed in (even hammering the bit in doesn't
work
> > > > enough), these pieces of ---- just grind apart when I try to turn
> > > > them. What can I do? They're not totally stripped out yet-I think I
> > > > might just pay someone to spot weld a bar onto them and hammer them
> > > > out. What other options do I have? It's a '99 TJ with no rust or
> > > > anything in the holes. The Jeep is a great vehicle in the whole of
its
> > > > parts, but the details like this (and how cheap the black plastic on
> > > > the interior is) are where it sucks!
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
05-09-2004, 04:01 PM
#72
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Check the Size of bit - Was (Torx rant..any suggestions?)
touch up sticks??
You mean you cover the scratches on your jeep? haha
Sorry....I baby'd my jeep for a while when I first bought it. But I always
said....it gets pampered until I get the first scratch. I opened the door
in a parking lot that was off camber and my door flew open and hit their
mirror. But a knick on the edge of my door. SO...that was it...no more
baby'ing!! haha
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8fGdnUOMA4ew4wPd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I can't remember having any problems with this stuff removing paint
> BUT it is a solvent so like they say you might want to try it in a
inconspicuous
> spot first. Besides ain't that why they make those touch up sticks?
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p5qnc.16$n7P1.0@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
> > What will the adhesive dissolver do the the paint in general?
> >
> >
> > "Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:TYSdnS5l8_QriQPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > A little known fact is that Loctite makes a adhesive remover
> > > & you can put this stuff on & it will soak down the threads to
> > > get the job done. I've used this stuff in work with some success.
> > > If you go to the Loctite page it's advertised as:
> > >
> > > X-NMS® CleanUp Solvent for Instant Adhesives
> > >
> > > You might run into some problem with paint covering the bolt
> > > head in the area your talking about. I had to remove the bolts
> > > on the windshield brackets on my TJ when I installed a Garvin
> > > Wilderness expedition rack & I made sure I had a new torx
> > > bit & it was the CORRECT SIZE. It seems that especially with
> > > torx bolts that a smaller size bit will feel like its the right size
> > > but there will be just enough slop to mess up the bolt head.
> > > I know that on one of the Harleys that I had that they had their
> > > own size torx for something or other & I had to go & buy the
> > > torx bit from Harley
> > >
> > > L8r - Jersey
> > >
> > > "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3a3f4978.0405081630.5d0d332d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I've always had to struggle with these idiotic Torx bolts Jeep uses.
> > > > Today I was trying to put mirror relo brackets on...I was warned
> > > > before that the retards at the factory had lathered lots of Loctite
on
> > > > these particular ones when they installed them. It is now not
> > > > physically possible to exert enough force on these cheap bolts to
> > > > loosen them before they strip. No matter how I line them up or how
> > > > hard I keep the bit pressed in (even hammering the bit in doesn't
work
> > > > enough), these pieces of ---- just grind apart when I try to turn
> > > > them. What can I do? They're not totally stripped out yet-I think I
> > > > might just pay someone to spot weld a bar onto them and hammer them
> > > > out. What other options do I have? It's a '99 TJ with no rust or
> > > > anything in the holes. The Jeep is a great vehicle in the whole of
its
> > > > parts, but the details like this (and how cheap the black plastic on
> > > > the interior is) are where it sucks!
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
You mean you cover the scratches on your jeep? haha
Sorry....I baby'd my jeep for a while when I first bought it. But I always
said....it gets pampered until I get the first scratch. I opened the door
in a parking lot that was off camber and my door flew open and hit their
mirror. But a knick on the edge of my door. SO...that was it...no more
baby'ing!! haha
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8fGdnUOMA4ew4wPd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I can't remember having any problems with this stuff removing paint
> BUT it is a solvent so like they say you might want to try it in a
inconspicuous
> spot first. Besides ain't that why they make those touch up sticks?
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p5qnc.16$n7P1.0@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
> > What will the adhesive dissolver do the the paint in general?
> >
> >
> > "Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:TYSdnS5l8_QriQPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > A little known fact is that Loctite makes a adhesive remover
> > > & you can put this stuff on & it will soak down the threads to
> > > get the job done. I've used this stuff in work with some success.
> > > If you go to the Loctite page it's advertised as:
> > >
> > > X-NMS® CleanUp Solvent for Instant Adhesives
> > >
> > > You might run into some problem with paint covering the bolt
> > > head in the area your talking about. I had to remove the bolts
> > > on the windshield brackets on my TJ when I installed a Garvin
> > > Wilderness expedition rack & I made sure I had a new torx
> > > bit & it was the CORRECT SIZE. It seems that especially with
> > > torx bolts that a smaller size bit will feel like its the right size
> > > but there will be just enough slop to mess up the bolt head.
> > > I know that on one of the Harleys that I had that they had their
> > > own size torx for something or other & I had to go & buy the
> > > torx bit from Harley
> > >
> > > L8r - Jersey
> > >
> > > "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3a3f4978.0405081630.5d0d332d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I've always had to struggle with these idiotic Torx bolts Jeep uses.
> > > > Today I was trying to put mirror relo brackets on...I was warned
> > > > before that the retards at the factory had lathered lots of Loctite
on
> > > > these particular ones when they installed them. It is now not
> > > > physically possible to exert enough force on these cheap bolts to
> > > > loosen them before they strip. No matter how I line them up or how
> > > > hard I keep the bit pressed in (even hammering the bit in doesn't
work
> > > > enough), these pieces of ---- just grind apart when I try to turn
> > > > them. What can I do? They're not totally stripped out yet-I think I
> > > > might just pay someone to spot weld a bar onto them and hammer them
> > > > out. What other options do I have? It's a '99 TJ with no rust or
> > > > anything in the holes. The Jeep is a great vehicle in the whole of
its
> > > > parts, but the details like this (and how cheap the black plastic on
> > > > the interior is) are where it sucks!
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
05-09-2004, 04:01 PM
#73
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Check the Size of bit - Was (Torx rant..any suggestions?)
touch up sticks??
You mean you cover the scratches on your jeep? haha
Sorry....I baby'd my jeep for a while when I first bought it. But I always
said....it gets pampered until I get the first scratch. I opened the door
in a parking lot that was off camber and my door flew open and hit their
mirror. But a knick on the edge of my door. SO...that was it...no more
baby'ing!! haha
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8fGdnUOMA4ew4wPd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I can't remember having any problems with this stuff removing paint
> BUT it is a solvent so like they say you might want to try it in a
inconspicuous
> spot first. Besides ain't that why they make those touch up sticks?
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p5qnc.16$n7P1.0@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
> > What will the adhesive dissolver do the the paint in general?
> >
> >
> > "Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:TYSdnS5l8_QriQPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > A little known fact is that Loctite makes a adhesive remover
> > > & you can put this stuff on & it will soak down the threads to
> > > get the job done. I've used this stuff in work with some success.
> > > If you go to the Loctite page it's advertised as:
> > >
> > > X-NMS® CleanUp Solvent for Instant Adhesives
> > >
> > > You might run into some problem with paint covering the bolt
> > > head in the area your talking about. I had to remove the bolts
> > > on the windshield brackets on my TJ when I installed a Garvin
> > > Wilderness expedition rack & I made sure I had a new torx
> > > bit & it was the CORRECT SIZE. It seems that especially with
> > > torx bolts that a smaller size bit will feel like its the right size
> > > but there will be just enough slop to mess up the bolt head.
> > > I know that on one of the Harleys that I had that they had their
> > > own size torx for something or other & I had to go & buy the
> > > torx bit from Harley
> > >
> > > L8r - Jersey
> > >
> > > "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3a3f4978.0405081630.5d0d332d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I've always had to struggle with these idiotic Torx bolts Jeep uses.
> > > > Today I was trying to put mirror relo brackets on...I was warned
> > > > before that the retards at the factory had lathered lots of Loctite
on
> > > > these particular ones when they installed them. It is now not
> > > > physically possible to exert enough force on these cheap bolts to
> > > > loosen them before they strip. No matter how I line them up or how
> > > > hard I keep the bit pressed in (even hammering the bit in doesn't
work
> > > > enough), these pieces of ---- just grind apart when I try to turn
> > > > them. What can I do? They're not totally stripped out yet-I think I
> > > > might just pay someone to spot weld a bar onto them and hammer them
> > > > out. What other options do I have? It's a '99 TJ with no rust or
> > > > anything in the holes. The Jeep is a great vehicle in the whole of
its
> > > > parts, but the details like this (and how cheap the black plastic on
> > > > the interior is) are where it sucks!
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
You mean you cover the scratches on your jeep? haha
Sorry....I baby'd my jeep for a while when I first bought it. But I always
said....it gets pampered until I get the first scratch. I opened the door
in a parking lot that was off camber and my door flew open and hit their
mirror. But a knick on the edge of my door. SO...that was it...no more
baby'ing!! haha
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8fGdnUOMA4ew4wPd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I can't remember having any problems with this stuff removing paint
> BUT it is a solvent so like they say you might want to try it in a
inconspicuous
> spot first. Besides ain't that why they make those touch up sticks?
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p5qnc.16$n7P1.0@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
> > What will the adhesive dissolver do the the paint in general?
> >
> >
> > "Jersey" <IamHellbound@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:TYSdnS5l8_QriQPdRVn-tA@comcast.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > A little known fact is that Loctite makes a adhesive remover
> > > & you can put this stuff on & it will soak down the threads to
> > > get the job done. I've used this stuff in work with some success.
> > > If you go to the Loctite page it's advertised as:
> > >
> > > X-NMS® CleanUp Solvent for Instant Adhesives
> > >
> > > You might run into some problem with paint covering the bolt
> > > head in the area your talking about. I had to remove the bolts
> > > on the windshield brackets on my TJ when I installed a Garvin
> > > Wilderness expedition rack & I made sure I had a new torx
> > > bit & it was the CORRECT SIZE. It seems that especially with
> > > torx bolts that a smaller size bit will feel like its the right size
> > > but there will be just enough slop to mess up the bolt head.
> > > I know that on one of the Harleys that I had that they had their
> > > own size torx for something or other & I had to go & buy the
> > > torx bit from Harley
> > >
> > > L8r - Jersey
> > >
> > > "Matt" <mhammer8@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3a3f4978.0405081630.5d0d332d@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I've always had to struggle with these idiotic Torx bolts Jeep uses.
> > > > Today I was trying to put mirror relo brackets on...I was warned
> > > > before that the retards at the factory had lathered lots of Loctite
on
> > > > these particular ones when they installed them. It is now not
> > > > physically possible to exert enough force on these cheap bolts to
> > > > loosen them before they strip. No matter how I line them up or how
> > > > hard I keep the bit pressed in (even hammering the bit in doesn't
work
> > > > enough), these pieces of ---- just grind apart when I try to turn
> > > > them. What can I do? They're not totally stripped out yet-I think I
> > > > might just pay someone to spot weld a bar onto them and hammer them
> > > > out. What other options do I have? It's a '99 TJ with no rust or
> > > > anything in the holes. The Jeep is a great vehicle in the whole of
its
> > > > parts, but the details like this (and how cheap the black plastic on
> > > > the interior is) are where it sucks!
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
05-09-2004, 04:54 PM
#74
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Re: Quick Torx rant..any suggestions?
THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
Matt
socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
Matt
05-09-2004, 04:54 PM
#75
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Quick Torx rant..any suggestions?
THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
Matt
socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
Matt
05-09-2004, 04:54 PM
#76
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Quick Torx rant..any suggestions?
THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
Matt
socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
Matt
05-09-2004, 04:54 PM
#77
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Quick Torx rant..any suggestions?
THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
Matt
socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
Matt
05-09-2004, 05:09 PM
#78
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Re: Quick Torx rant..any suggestions?
What a description!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt wrote:
>
> THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
> socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
> hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
> old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
> anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
>
> Matt
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt wrote:
>
> THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
> socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
> hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
> old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
> anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
>
> Matt
05-09-2004, 05:09 PM
#79
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Posts: n/a
Re: Quick Torx rant..any suggestions?
What a description!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt wrote:
>
> THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
> socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
> hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
> old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
> anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
>
> Matt
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt wrote:
>
> THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
> socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
> hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
> old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
> anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
>
> Matt
05-09-2004, 05:09 PM
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Re: Quick Torx rant..any suggestions?
What a description!
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Matt wrote:
>
> THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
> socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
> hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
> old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
> anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
>
> Matt
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt wrote:
>
> THANKS! Great advice, everybody! I got a 200 ft.-lb. Craftsman impact
> socket, put my Torx bit in that, and one monster whack with a 28 oz.
> hammer brought these things FLYING out in a white cloud of Loctite and
> old wax! Now the brackets are on, and I won't have my stones broken
> anymore by the cops for having no mirrors!!
>
> Matt