Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

I bought my RE7000 from red rock. Very good source, and you can ask tech
questions about the install.

I got the adjustable lowers because it is cheaper to get them when you buy
the whole kit. However, after installing, I don't think I needed them.
They may help with centering the axle in the wheel wells, but you don't need
them for the pinion angle (adjust the uppers for this). One thing I wished
I knew before installing the adjustable lowers was how long to make them for
my first setup.

Also, get a new rear drive shaft from Tom Woods. They included one
essential tool for pinion angles - a credit card sized plastic protractor.
You supply the string and a weight (tie a nut to the end of the string) and
you are good to go.

I've got a blog of my experience installing the RE7000 here:
http://www.kerygma.org/nelson

Paul Nelson


in article 1167689172.194439.304740@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups. com, nawt2smart
at nawt2smart@excite.com wrote on 1/1/07 4:06 PM:

> I'm going to purchase the RE7000 lift for my TJ (4.5"). I have a
> question on the lower control arms. Should I purchase the fixed lower
> control arms or go with adjustable? Teraflex has lower adjustables and
> was wondering why Rubicon doesn't offer this standard? Are the
> adjustable lowers really needed?
>
> Who has the best prices online for these kits? Cheapest I have seen is
> red rock 4x4.
>
> Thank you! Happy new year!
>

Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

I bought my RE7000 from red rock. Very good source, and you can ask tech
questions about the install.

I got the adjustable lowers because it is cheaper to get them when you buy
the whole kit. However, after installing, I don't think I needed them.
They may help with centering the axle in the wheel wells, but you don't need
them for the pinion angle (adjust the uppers for this). One thing I wished
I knew before installing the adjustable lowers was how long to make them for
my first setup.

Also, get a new rear drive shaft from Tom Woods. They included one
essential tool for pinion angles - a credit card sized plastic protractor.
You supply the string and a weight (tie a nut to the end of the string) and
you are good to go.

I've got a blog of my experience installing the RE7000 here:
http://www.kerygma.org/nelson

Paul Nelson


in article 1167689172.194439.304740@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups. com, nawt2smart
at nawt2smart@excite.com wrote on 1/1/07 4:06 PM:

> I'm going to purchase the RE7000 lift for my TJ (4.5"). I have a
> question on the lower control arms. Should I purchase the fixed lower
> control arms or go with adjustable? Teraflex has lower adjustables and
> was wondering why Rubicon doesn't offer this standard? Are the
> adjustable lowers really needed?
>
> Who has the best prices online for these kits? Cheapest I have seen is
> red rock 4x4.
>
> Thank you! Happy new year!
>

Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

I bought my RE7000 from red rock. Very good source, and you can ask tech
questions about the install.

I got the adjustable lowers because it is cheaper to get them when you buy
the whole kit. However, after installing, I don't think I needed them.
They may help with centering the axle in the wheel wells, but you don't need
them for the pinion angle (adjust the uppers for this). One thing I wished
I knew before installing the adjustable lowers was how long to make them for
my first setup.

Also, get a new rear drive shaft from Tom Woods. They included one
essential tool for pinion angles - a credit card sized plastic protractor.
You supply the string and a weight (tie a nut to the end of the string) and
you are good to go.

I've got a blog of my experience installing the RE7000 here:
http://www.kerygma.org/nelson

Paul Nelson


in article 1167689172.194439.304740@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups. com, nawt2smart
at nawt2smart@excite.com wrote on 1/1/07 4:06 PM:

> I'm going to purchase the RE7000 lift for my TJ (4.5"). I have a
> question on the lower control arms. Should I purchase the fixed lower
> control arms or go with adjustable? Teraflex has lower adjustables and
> was wondering why Rubicon doesn't offer this standard? Are the
> adjustable lowers really needed?
>
> Who has the best prices online for these kits? Cheapest I have seen is
> red rock 4x4.
>
> Thank you! Happy new year!
>

Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

"Paul Nelson" <paulnelsontx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:C1BFBC6E.577B2%paulnelsontx@gmail.com...
>I bought my RE7000 from red rock. Very good source, and you can ask tech
> questions about the install.
>
> I got the adjustable lowers because it is cheaper to get them when you buy
> the whole kit. However, after installing, I don't think I needed them.
> They may help with centering the axle in the wheel wells, but you don't
> need
> them for the pinion angle (adjust the uppers for this).

That's what an adjustable track bar does, the adjustable control arms are
for pinion angle.

The adjustable lowers are for installations that only replace the lower
control arms and retain the stock uppers.

Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

"Paul Nelson" <paulnelsontx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:C1BFBC6E.577B2%paulnelsontx@gmail.com...
>I bought my RE7000 from red rock. Very good source, and you can ask tech
> questions about the install.
>
> I got the adjustable lowers because it is cheaper to get them when you buy
> the whole kit. However, after installing, I don't think I needed them.
> They may help with centering the axle in the wheel wells, but you don't
> need
> them for the pinion angle (adjust the uppers for this).

That's what an adjustable track bar does, the adjustable control arms are
for pinion angle.

The adjustable lowers are for installations that only replace the lower
control arms and retain the stock uppers.

Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

"Paul Nelson" <paulnelsontx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:C1BFBC6E.577B2%paulnelsontx@gmail.com...
>I bought my RE7000 from red rock. Very good source, and you can ask tech
> questions about the install.
>
> I got the adjustable lowers because it is cheaper to get them when you buy
> the whole kit. However, after installing, I don't think I needed them.
> They may help with centering the axle in the wheel wells, but you don't
> need
> them for the pinion angle (adjust the uppers for this).

That's what an adjustable track bar does, the adjustable control arms are
for pinion angle.

The adjustable lowers are for installations that only replace the lower
control arms and retain the stock uppers.

Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Paul Nelson" <paulnelsontx@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C1BFBC6E.577B2%paulnelsontx@gmail.com...
>
>>I bought my RE7000 from red rock. Very good source, and you can ask tech
>>questions about the install.
>>
>>I got the adjustable lowers because it is cheaper to get them when you buy
>>the whole kit. However, after installing, I don't think I needed them.
>>They may help with centering the axle in the wheel wells, but you don't
>>need them for the pinion angle (adjust the uppers for this).
>
>
> That's what an adjustable track bar does, the adjustable control arms are
> for pinion angle.
>
> The adjustable lowers are for installations that only replace the lower
> control arms and retain the stock uppers.


I think he means centering the axle front-to-rear, not side-to-side
which you get from the adjustable track bar.

My $.02: I agree with Paul, you only need them if you are very
particular in centering the axles in the wheel wells, otherwise, it's
one more thing that will wear out...and they will wear out. I believe
RE's non adjustables are longer than stock, so that in itself will help
with centering. I don't have them and do not need them.

tw

--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Paul Nelson" <paulnelsontx@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C1BFBC6E.577B2%paulnelsontx@gmail.com...
>
>>I bought my RE7000 from red rock. Very good source, and you can ask tech
>>questions about the install.
>>
>>I got the adjustable lowers because it is cheaper to get them when you buy
>>the whole kit. However, after installing, I don't think I needed them.
>>They may help with centering the axle in the wheel wells, but you don't
>>need them for the pinion angle (adjust the uppers for this).
>
>
> That's what an adjustable track bar does, the adjustable control arms are
> for pinion angle.
>
> The adjustable lowers are for installations that only replace the lower
> control arms and retain the stock uppers.


I think he means centering the axle front-to-rear, not side-to-side
which you get from the adjustable track bar.

My $.02: I agree with Paul, you only need them if you are very
particular in centering the axles in the wheel wells, otherwise, it's
one more thing that will wear out...and they will wear out. I believe
RE's non adjustables are longer than stock, so that in itself will help
with centering. I don't have them and do not need them.

tw

--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Paul Nelson" <paulnelsontx@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C1BFBC6E.577B2%paulnelsontx@gmail.com...
>
>>I bought my RE7000 from red rock. Very good source, and you can ask tech
>>questions about the install.
>>
>>I got the adjustable lowers because it is cheaper to get them when you buy
>>the whole kit. However, after installing, I don't think I needed them.
>>They may help with centering the axle in the wheel wells, but you don't
>>need them for the pinion angle (adjust the uppers for this).
>
>
> That's what an adjustable track bar does, the adjustable control arms are
> for pinion angle.
>
> The adjustable lowers are for installations that only replace the lower
> control arms and retain the stock uppers.


I think he means centering the axle front-to-rear, not side-to-side
which you get from the adjustable track bar.

My $.02: I agree with Paul, you only need them if you are very
particular in centering the axles in the wheel wells, otherwise, it's
one more thing that will wear out...and they will wear out. I believe
RE's non adjustables are longer than stock, so that in itself will help
with centering. I don't have them and do not need them.

tw

--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Re: Questions on Rubicon Express lift and control arms
 

> I think he means centering the axle front-to-rear, not side-to-side which
> you get from the adjustable track bar.

Gotcha. However as the suspension cycles the arc will change and the wheel
will constantly be off-center. Long arm kits have a longer arc and aren't as
suseptible, but then you have long arms that get hit with rocks and stuff.
>
> My $.02: I agree with Paul, you only need them if you are very particular
> in centering the axles in the wheel wells, otherwise, it's one more thing
> that will wear out...and they will wear out.

Agreed.

I believe
> RE's non adjustables are longer than stock, so that in itself will help
> with centering. I don't have them and do not need them.

Correct.

>
> tw
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________