twaldron

Hey Jeff. I shift in and out of 4wd at speed quite frequently. It's
usually patchy conditions that prompt it. Scooting along at 50 and
hitting a slick patch in 2wd can cause you to swap ends pretty quickly,
as you already know. Of course, slowing down before the patch helps too!

tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> Your Jeep is Rear Wheel Drive until you shift into 4WD.
>
> You can shift into 4WD at any safe speed, but why would you consider
> shifting into 4WD at 50? If you can do 50, you don't need 4WD.
>
>
>
>
> "AJ" <amolkasbekar@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1134760453.543790.119880@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
>> I have a 98 Jeep Wrangler that has a 2WD, 4WD(High) and a 4WD(Low). The
>> jeep has a manual shift to go from 2WD to 4WD. I usually drive on 2WD.
>> I was just wondering if it is safe to shift from 2wd to 4wd while
>> driving. I live in NY and on a moderate snowy day, the roads are pretty
>> well cleared so I drive on 2wd but when I hit a bad patch, I shift to
>> 4wd. At such times, is better to stop the car and change?
>>
>> On a related note, when the jeep is on 2WD does it act as Front Wheel
>> Drive or Rear Wheel Drive?
>>
>> Thanx, AJ.
>>
>

Mike Romain

Yup. We got away last weekend to a 'cottage' up north. Fireplace,
outdoor hot tub, nice big flakes of fluffy snow....

We are heading into the bush somewhere on New Years for sure. Likely
running solo though because the area has been taken over by snowmobiles
and ATV's now that the clubs published all the trails so the cabin we
usually use is always occupied these days.

At least solo we aren't worried about camping and having unprepared
folks to look after....

Mike

billy ray wrote:
>
> Isn't it almost time for your next safari?
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@fuseSPAM.net (Remove the SPAM)
> 2002 WJ Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> Helping is why we are all here on RAMJ+W, or should be.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A386D6.FFD96583@sympatico.ca...
> >I beg to differ....
> >
> > My wife and I did a trip up north last week and were in 4x4 at 55-60 mph
> > for over 3 hours each way.
> >
> > We sure needed 4x4 And it is nice to be able to keep up to the transport
> > trucks.....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >> Your Jeep is Rear Wheel Drive until you shift into 4WD.
> >>
> >> You can shift into 4WD at any safe speed, but why would you consider
> >> shifting into 4WD at 50? If you can do 50, you don't need 4WD.
> >>
> >> "AJ" <amolkasbekar@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1134760453.543790.119880@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >I have a 98 Jeep Wrangler that has a 2WD, 4WD(High) and a 4WD(Low). The
> >> > jeep has a manual shift to go from 2WD to 4WD. I usually drive on 2WD.
> >> > I was just wondering if it is safe to shift from 2wd to 4wd while
> >> > driving. I live in NY and on a moderate snowy day, the roads are pretty
> >> > well cleared so I drive on 2wd but when I hit a bad patch, I shift to
> >> > 4wd. At such times, is better to stop the car and change?
> >> >
> >> > On a related note, when the jeep is on 2WD does it act as Front Wheel
> >> > Drive or Rear Wheel Drive?
> >> >
> >> > Thanx, AJ.
> >> >

Mike Romain

Yup. We got away last weekend to a 'cottage' up north. Fireplace,
outdoor hot tub, nice big flakes of fluffy snow....

We are heading into the bush somewhere on New Years for sure. Likely
running solo though because the area has been taken over by snowmobiles
and ATV's now that the clubs published all the trails so the cabin we
usually use is always occupied these days.

At least solo we aren't worried about camping and having unprepared
folks to look after....

Mike

billy ray wrote:
>
> Isn't it almost time for your next safari?
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@fuseSPAM.net (Remove the SPAM)
> 2002 WJ Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> Helping is why we are all here on RAMJ+W, or should be.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A386D6.FFD96583@sympatico.ca...
> >I beg to differ....
> >
> > My wife and I did a trip up north last week and were in 4x4 at 55-60 mph
> > for over 3 hours each way.
> >
> > We sure needed 4x4 And it is nice to be able to keep up to the transport
> > trucks.....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >> Your Jeep is Rear Wheel Drive until you shift into 4WD.
> >>
> >> You can shift into 4WD at any safe speed, but why would you consider
> >> shifting into 4WD at 50? If you can do 50, you don't need 4WD.
> >>
> >> "AJ" <amolkasbekar@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1134760453.543790.119880@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >I have a 98 Jeep Wrangler that has a 2WD, 4WD(High) and a 4WD(Low). The
> >> > jeep has a manual shift to go from 2WD to 4WD. I usually drive on 2WD.
> >> > I was just wondering if it is safe to shift from 2wd to 4wd while
> >> > driving. I live in NY and on a moderate snowy day, the roads are pretty
> >> > well cleared so I drive on 2wd but when I hit a bad patch, I shift to
> >> > 4wd. At such times, is better to stop the car and change?
> >> >
> >> > On a related note, when the jeep is on 2WD does it act as Front Wheel
> >> > Drive or Rear Wheel Drive?
> >> >
> >> > Thanx, AJ.
> >> >

Mike Romain

Yup. We got away last weekend to a 'cottage' up north. Fireplace,
outdoor hot tub, nice big flakes of fluffy snow....

We are heading into the bush somewhere on New Years for sure. Likely
running solo though because the area has been taken over by snowmobiles
and ATV's now that the clubs published all the trails so the cabin we
usually use is always occupied these days.

At least solo we aren't worried about camping and having unprepared
folks to look after....

Mike

billy ray wrote:
>
> Isn't it almost time for your next safari?
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@fuseSPAM.net (Remove the SPAM)
> 2002 WJ Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> Helping is why we are all here on RAMJ+W, or should be.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A386D6.FFD96583@sympatico.ca...
> >I beg to differ....
> >
> > My wife and I did a trip up north last week and were in 4x4 at 55-60 mph
> > for over 3 hours each way.
> >
> > We sure needed 4x4 And it is nice to be able to keep up to the transport
> > trucks.....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >> Your Jeep is Rear Wheel Drive until you shift into 4WD.
> >>
> >> You can shift into 4WD at any safe speed, but why would you consider
> >> shifting into 4WD at 50? If you can do 50, you don't need 4WD.
> >>
> >> "AJ" <amolkasbekar@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1134760453.543790.119880@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >I have a 98 Jeep Wrangler that has a 2WD, 4WD(High) and a 4WD(Low). The
> >> > jeep has a manual shift to go from 2WD to 4WD. I usually drive on 2WD.
> >> > I was just wondering if it is safe to shift from 2wd to 4wd while
> >> > driving. I live in NY and on a moderate snowy day, the roads are pretty
> >> > well cleared so I drive on 2wd but when I hit a bad patch, I shift to
> >> > 4wd. At such times, is better to stop the car and change?
> >> >
> >> > On a related note, when the jeep is on 2WD does it act as Front Wheel
> >> > Drive or Rear Wheel Drive?
> >> >
> >> > Thanx, AJ.
> >> >

billy ray

Cottage with hot tub? <gasp>

Watch out for those ATVers, there were a bunch of nasty ones last time.
Moonshine and firearms make for interesting companions.

Thanks again for inviting me last summer, I really enjoyed getting the Grand
a little dirty and getting some off-road experience with it.

--
Billy_Ray@fuseSPAM.net (Remove the SPAM)
2002 WJ Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Helping is why we are all here on RAMJ+W, or should be.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43A420C6.371A9207@sympatico.ca...
> Yup. We got away last weekend to a 'cottage' up north. Fireplace,
> outdoor hot tub, nice big flakes of fluffy snow....
>
> We are heading into the bush somewhere on New Years for sure. Likely
> running solo though because the area has been taken over by snowmobiles
> and ATV's now that the clubs published all the trails so the cabin we
> usually use is always occupied these days.
>
> At least solo we aren't worried about camping and having unprepared
> folks to look after....
>
> Mike
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Isn't it almost time for your next safari?
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@fuseSPAM.net (Remove the SPAM)
>> 2002 WJ Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> Helping is why we are all here on RAMJ+W, or should be.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A386D6.FFD96583@sympatico.ca...
>> >I beg to differ....
>> >
>> > My wife and I did a trip up north last week and were in 4x4 at 55-60
>> > mph
>> > for over 3 hours each way.
>> >
>> > We sure needed 4x4 And it is nice to be able to keep up to the
>> > transport
>> > trucks.....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Your Jeep is Rear Wheel Drive until you shift into 4WD.
>> >>
>> >> You can shift into 4WD at any safe speed, but why would you consider
>> >> shifting into 4WD at 50? If you can do 50, you don't need 4WD.
>> >>
>> >> "AJ" <amolkasbekar@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1134760453.543790.119880@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >I have a 98 Jeep Wrangler that has a 2WD, 4WD(High) and a 4WD(Low).
>> >> >The
>> >> > jeep has a manual shift to go from 2WD to 4WD. I usually drive on
>> >> > 2WD.
>> >> > I was just wondering if it is safe to shift from 2wd to 4wd while
>> >> > driving. I live in NY and on a moderate snowy day, the roads are
>> >> > pretty
>> >> > well cleared so I drive on 2wd but when I hit a bad patch, I shift
>> >> > to
>> >> > 4wd. At such times, is better to stop the car and change?
>> >> >
>> >> > On a related note, when the jeep is on 2WD does it act as Front
>> >> > Wheel
>> >> > Drive or Rear Wheel Drive?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanx, AJ.
>> >> >

billy ray

Cottage with hot tub? <gasp>

Watch out for those ATVers, there were a bunch of nasty ones last time.
Moonshine and firearms make for interesting companions.

Thanks again for inviting me last summer, I really enjoyed getting the Grand
a little dirty and getting some off-road experience with it.

--
Billy_Ray@fuseSPAM.net (Remove the SPAM)
2002 WJ Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Helping is why we are all here on RAMJ+W, or should be.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43A420C6.371A9207@sympatico.ca...
> Yup. We got away last weekend to a 'cottage' up north. Fireplace,
> outdoor hot tub, nice big flakes of fluffy snow....
>
> We are heading into the bush somewhere on New Years for sure. Likely
> running solo though because the area has been taken over by snowmobiles
> and ATV's now that the clubs published all the trails so the cabin we
> usually use is always occupied these days.
>
> At least solo we aren't worried about camping and having unprepared
> folks to look after....
>
> Mike
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Isn't it almost time for your next safari?
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@fuseSPAM.net (Remove the SPAM)
>> 2002 WJ Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> Helping is why we are all here on RAMJ+W, or should be.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A386D6.FFD96583@sympatico.ca...
>> >I beg to differ....
>> >
>> > My wife and I did a trip up north last week and were in 4x4 at 55-60
>> > mph
>> > for over 3 hours each way.
>> >
>> > We sure needed 4x4 And it is nice to be able to keep up to the
>> > transport
>> > trucks.....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Your Jeep is Rear Wheel Drive until you shift into 4WD.
>> >>
>> >> You can shift into 4WD at any safe speed, but why would you consider
>> >> shifting into 4WD at 50? If you can do 50, you don't need 4WD.
>> >>
>> >> "AJ" <amolkasbekar@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1134760453.543790.119880@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >I have a 98 Jeep Wrangler that has a 2WD, 4WD(High) and a 4WD(Low).
>> >> >The
>> >> > jeep has a manual shift to go from 2WD to 4WD. I usually drive on
>> >> > 2WD.
>> >> > I was just wondering if it is safe to shift from 2wd to 4wd while
>> >> > driving. I live in NY and on a moderate snowy day, the roads are
>> >> > pretty
>> >> > well cleared so I drive on 2wd but when I hit a bad patch, I shift
>> >> > to
>> >> > 4wd. At such times, is better to stop the car and change?
>> >> >
>> >> > On a related note, when the jeep is on 2WD does it act as Front
>> >> > Wheel
>> >> > Drive or Rear Wheel Drive?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanx, AJ.
>> >> >

billy ray

Cottage with hot tub? <gasp>

Watch out for those ATVers, there were a bunch of nasty ones last time.
Moonshine and firearms make for interesting companions.

Thanks again for inviting me last summer, I really enjoyed getting the Grand
a little dirty and getting some off-road experience with it.

--
Billy_Ray@fuseSPAM.net (Remove the SPAM)
2002 WJ Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Helping is why we are all here on RAMJ+W, or should be.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43A420C6.371A9207@sympatico.ca...
> Yup. We got away last weekend to a 'cottage' up north. Fireplace,
> outdoor hot tub, nice big flakes of fluffy snow....
>
> We are heading into the bush somewhere on New Years for sure. Likely
> running solo though because the area has been taken over by snowmobiles
> and ATV's now that the clubs published all the trails so the cabin we
> usually use is always occupied these days.
>
> At least solo we aren't worried about camping and having unprepared
> folks to look after....
>
> Mike
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Isn't it almost time for your next safari?
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@fuseSPAM.net (Remove the SPAM)
>> 2002 WJ Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> Helping is why we are all here on RAMJ+W, or should be.
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A386D6.FFD96583@sympatico.ca...
>> >I beg to differ....
>> >
>> > My wife and I did a trip up north last week and were in 4x4 at 55-60
>> > mph
>> > for over 3 hours each way.
>> >
>> > We sure needed 4x4 And it is nice to be able to keep up to the
>> > transport
>> > trucks.....
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Your Jeep is Rear Wheel Drive until you shift into 4WD.
>> >>
>> >> You can shift into 4WD at any safe speed, but why would you consider
>> >> shifting into 4WD at 50? If you can do 50, you don't need 4WD.
>> >>
>> >> "AJ" <amolkasbekar@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1134760453.543790.119880@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >I have a 98 Jeep Wrangler that has a 2WD, 4WD(High) and a 4WD(Low).
>> >> >The
>> >> > jeep has a manual shift to go from 2WD to 4WD. I usually drive on
>> >> > 2WD.
>> >> > I was just wondering if it is safe to shift from 2wd to 4wd while
>> >> > driving. I live in NY and on a moderate snowy day, the roads are
>> >> > pretty
>> >> > well cleared so I drive on 2wd but when I hit a bad patch, I shift
>> >> > to
>> >> > 4wd. At such times, is better to stop the car and change?
>> >> >
>> >> > On a related note, when the jeep is on 2WD does it act as Front
>> >> > Wheel
>> >> > Drive or Rear Wheel Drive?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanx, AJ.
>> >> >

Earle Horton

Even in Europe? In Europe it is not considered unmanly to ask for
directions. It is just foolish. Anyone who works at a gas station has
lived in the same town their whole life, and assumes that everyone knows all
the local landmarks. "Just take three redondas, (Or is it four?) and then a
left at the Plaza de Bilbao. Then two more redondas and you are there."
Never mind that a "redonda" is an evil round thing, with five streets coming
in and none apparently going out. You just got into town from a
trans-Atlantic flight and have no idea where the Plaza de Bilbao is, or how
to tell, even when you get there. Explain this in your best university
Spanish, and they will look at you as if you are insane. Then they will try
to draw you a map on the back of your gas receipt, ignoring the rack of
"Callejeros" conveniently placed next to the cash register. Gas receipts in
Europe are even smaller than they are in the States. The map they draw will
have errors, but you should have known that the second "redonda" didn't
really count, because you were supposed to have entered and left on the same
street. If you get lucky, the second gas station will have a Moroccan
working there, who recently arrived in the country and still speaks at a
speed, that is not painful to the human ear. He will calmly hand you a
"Callejero", put an "X" at your current location and an "O" at your
destination. He won't even ask, why you are ten kilometers away, headed
directly away from where you want to go.

I was looking for the Civic Center Iparralde last week. I had two maps, one
of which had the location of the civic center but no street names. The
other had the streets, none of which went east-west, north-south, or even in
the same direction as any other street. I spent about five minutes
coordinating the information on the two maps, and concluded that I was
standing right in front of it. Damn!

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43A3C05E.6A226ECB@***.net...
> That's consider unmanly, like stopping at a gas station to ask
> directions.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Stupendous Man wrote:
> >
> > What does it say in the owner's manual?

Earle Horton

Even in Europe? In Europe it is not considered unmanly to ask for
directions. It is just foolish. Anyone who works at a gas station has
lived in the same town their whole life, and assumes that everyone knows all
the local landmarks. "Just take three redondas, (Or is it four?) and then a
left at the Plaza de Bilbao. Then two more redondas and you are there."
Never mind that a "redonda" is an evil round thing, with five streets coming
in and none apparently going out. You just got into town from a
trans-Atlantic flight and have no idea where the Plaza de Bilbao is, or how
to tell, even when you get there. Explain this in your best university
Spanish, and they will look at you as if you are insane. Then they will try
to draw you a map on the back of your gas receipt, ignoring the rack of
"Callejeros" conveniently placed next to the cash register. Gas receipts in
Europe are even smaller than they are in the States. The map they draw will
have errors, but you should have known that the second "redonda" didn't
really count, because you were supposed to have entered and left on the same
street. If you get lucky, the second gas station will have a Moroccan
working there, who recently arrived in the country and still speaks at a
speed, that is not painful to the human ear. He will calmly hand you a
"Callejero", put an "X" at your current location and an "O" at your
destination. He won't even ask, why you are ten kilometers away, headed
directly away from where you want to go.

I was looking for the Civic Center Iparralde last week. I had two maps, one
of which had the location of the civic center but no street names. The
other had the streets, none of which went east-west, north-south, or even in
the same direction as any other street. I spent about five minutes
coordinating the information on the two maps, and concluded that I was
standing right in front of it. Damn!

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43A3C05E.6A226ECB@***.net...
> That's consider unmanly, like stopping at a gas station to ask
> directions.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Stupendous Man wrote:
> >
> > What does it say in the owner's manual?

Earle Horton

Even in Europe? In Europe it is not considered unmanly to ask for
directions. It is just foolish. Anyone who works at a gas station has
lived in the same town their whole life, and assumes that everyone knows all
the local landmarks. "Just take three redondas, (Or is it four?) and then a
left at the Plaza de Bilbao. Then two more redondas and you are there."
Never mind that a "redonda" is an evil round thing, with five streets coming
in and none apparently going out. You just got into town from a
trans-Atlantic flight and have no idea where the Plaza de Bilbao is, or how
to tell, even when you get there. Explain this in your best university
Spanish, and they will look at you as if you are insane. Then they will try
to draw you a map on the back of your gas receipt, ignoring the rack of
"Callejeros" conveniently placed next to the cash register. Gas receipts in
Europe are even smaller than they are in the States. The map they draw will
have errors, but you should have known that the second "redonda" didn't
really count, because you were supposed to have entered and left on the same
street. If you get lucky, the second gas station will have a Moroccan
working there, who recently arrived in the country and still speaks at a
speed, that is not painful to the human ear. He will calmly hand you a
"Callejero", put an "X" at your current location and an "O" at your
destination. He won't even ask, why you are ten kilometers away, headed
directly away from where you want to go.

I was looking for the Civic Center Iparralde last week. I had two maps, one
of which had the location of the civic center but no street names. The
other had the streets, none of which went east-west, north-south, or even in
the same direction as any other street. I spent about five minutes
coordinating the information on the two maps, and concluded that I was
standing right in front of it. Damn!

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43A3C05E.6A226ECB@***.net...
> That's consider unmanly, like stopping at a gas station to ask
> directions.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Stupendous Man wrote:
> >
> > What does it say in the owner's manual?