Re: A question about rim size...
 

Thanks Mark
Sounds like a plan....I`ll give it a try.
Thanks
Boris
http://public.fotki.com/borysd/




"Mark" <axolotl73@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156654598.857905.122080@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Boris wrote:
>
>> At this point I just want a spare tire... as long it is the same height
>> as
>> the other 3 tires I don`t care if it is skinnier. I`m only going to drive
>> 10
>> miles or so until I get the original 35" tire fixed. I`m looking for a
>> $50
>> steel rim and a $100 tire.
>
> Go to a used commercial tire store. Ask for the skinniest tire the
> same diameter as your regular tires, compare height by rolling the
> sucker up against your tires. Try to get within 1/2", exact same size
> is best, unless you want to cook your diffs on the highway run to the
> service station (50 miles or more around here). Then ask for a used
> steel rim with the same bolt pattern as yours that'll fit the tire
> (actually kinda hard, they turned the shop upside down to find one).
> Setback prob'ly won't matter 'cause the spare's so skinny, but test fit
> the spare to be sure before purchase.
>
> The one I got was for delivery vans of some type, 6 1/2" wide, with a
> highway truck tread; i.e., practically none. Spent $70 total and it
> weighs less than the 31x10.5s on my axles, close to a stock wrangler
> tire. So rear gate damage isn't gonna be a problem. And having a
> spare aluminum rim at home is a good thing.
>

Re: A question about rim size...
 

The brakes are almost identical on the 88 and 86, so are the engines and
the engine wiring harness. The Haynes CJ book has the best directions
for all that on 'your' Jeep. Their YJ book is more for the later 4.0
setup.

The emergency brake cables are easy to replace, especially with large
tires. Room to crawl around. You need to have the rear brakes adjusted
properly before doing the cables or the cables will/could end up at the
wrong place and things like snapped cables happen.

I doubt the adjusters will work as it is right now, I suspect one is
laying in the bottom of the drum jamming the brakes as you come to a
stop. I would open that ASAP and look at it.

When the adjuster does work, they are left and right sided, be careful
not to mix parts up, you have to hit the brakes in reverse, then in
forward to reset the arm, then in reverse again. The shoes have a
rocking motion. The adjusters have to be manually set up close the
first time or the adjusters won't catch.

The Sears kit for the jack and stands is a good one. I can fit one like
it right behind the passenger seat when it is tipped forward. When the
seat comes back it locks/jams the jack in place so it can't turn into a
missile.

Mike

Boris wrote:
>
> Thanks again Mike
> The rear left drum doesn`t lock under hard braking only in city driving
> and locks just before I come to a complete stop (2-3mph)...I`m thinking of
> going to Sears to pick up a floor lift, they have a 3 ton floor lift with 2
> floor stands for $70...anything to watch out for? The spare will have to
> wait until I figure out the brake lock-up...you made me nervous! I have a
> Chilton Repair Book covers 1945-1987 Jeeps of course mine is a`88 so I don`t
> know for sure if `88 YJ have self adjusting rear drums like the `87...I`ll
> take the Jeep to a parking lot and try the self adjusting
> procedure.....10-15 stops in reverse, see if that will help. If not I will
> bring the Jeep to a brake shop....they can install the new emergency cables
> that I have too.
> Thanks again
> Boris
> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44F0B70D.6CC2A807@sympatico.ca...
> > The way to tell if you have a locker or limited slip is to jack up both
> > wheels and spin one by hand. If the wheel on the other side spins the
> > same way, then you have a traction device. If the wheel spins the
> > opposite way you have open differential.
> >
> > You can't use a smaller tire on an axle with a locker or limited slip.
> >
> > If you just have a locker in the back, then if you get a flat you 'must'
> > use the same size tire or you will destroy the gears. This means
> > swapping tires around if you use a smaller spare.
> >
> > If the front is still open, then when you have a flat in the rear, you
> > have to take a front tire off and put it in the back and use the smaller
> > spare in the front where the open is or vise versa if you only have a
> > front locker.
> >
> > You should get that brake looked at. Locking up in the rear can cause
> > you to do 360's faster than you can blink.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Boris wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> I don`t think I have locker or limited slip, the guy I bought it from
> >> didn`t mention. After it stops raining I`ll crawl underneath and take
> >> some
> >> pictures...I just purchased the YJ......has rebuilt (Jasper or rebuilt by
> >> Jasper) 6cyl, auto transmission (new seals+new torque converter) a
> >> Rubicon
> >> 5" lift and them big tires...he also claims new brakes last year, but the
> >> rear left drum locks up at crawl speed if I brake too hard...the
> >> emergency
> >> brake doesn`t work (maybe that`s the reason the rear drum locks once in a
> >> while) needs the cables which are in the mail, and a muffler and tail
> >> pipe...also in the mail. I live in N.J. and the YJ will be a pavement
> >> pounder...not much oportunity to go off road. Jeep runs/handles good, at
> >> 60mph the rpm`s are a little over 2000rpm`s.
> >> Thanks for your help
> >> Boris
> >> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:44F097C6.363EA70D@sympatico.ca...
> >> > Not even in the ball park.
> >> >
> >> > I would go with the cheaper stock 15"x7" rim that is easy to find a
> >> > used
> >> > tire for. 16" tires for a YJ are rare and pricey.
> >> >
> >> > To start off, do you have a locker or limited slip in either axle? The
> >> > answer to that will make a radical difference in what you can run.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > Boris wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If I get a 225/75/16 or 205/75/16 will this be the same height as my
> >> >> 315/75/16? and what rim width will I need for this tire as a spare?
> >> >> or
> >> >> am I
> >> >> way off base.
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Boris
> >> >>
> >> >> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:vrKHg.87$N84.62@trnddc08...
> >> >> > Thank you for the replies so far....I`m going to get one of those
> >> >> > 48"
> >> >> > Farmers Jack`s
> >> >> > At this point I just want a spare tire... as long it is the same
> >> >> > height
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > the other 3 tires I don`t care if it is skinnier. I`m only going to
> >> >> > drive
> >> >> > 10 miles or so until I get the original 35" tire fixed. I`m looking
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > $50 steel rim and a $100 tire. I`m probably not the sharpest crayon
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > box when it comes to tires+rim sizes..... could someone suggest a
> >> >> > rim
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > a tire....please.
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > Boris
> >> >> > http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:44EE26F2.4C1A92F1@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> >> Most rims have the size stamped into the back side.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mike
> >> >> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> >> >> Jan/06
> >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> >> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> An 8-10" rim should work. Couldn't you just remove a wheel and
> >> >> >>> measure
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> rim width? it's possible to do without removing the tire, if you
> >> >> >>> want
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> spare to match.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:BIgHg.24142$u1.16868@trnddc05...
> >> >> >>> >I just bought a `88 Wrangler with 315/75/16 tires. I don`t have a
> >> >> >>> >spare
> >> >> >>> >tire so I need a spare. I know that I need a 16" rim, 5 bolt 4.5"
> >> >> >>> >but
> >> >> >>> >what
> >> >> >>> >rim width do I need for a 315/75/16 tire?
> >> >> >>> > Thanks
> >> >> >>> > Boris
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >

Re: A question about rim size...
 

The brakes are almost identical on the 88 and 86, so are the engines and
the engine wiring harness. The Haynes CJ book has the best directions
for all that on 'your' Jeep. Their YJ book is more for the later 4.0
setup.

The emergency brake cables are easy to replace, especially with large
tires. Room to crawl around. You need to have the rear brakes adjusted
properly before doing the cables or the cables will/could end up at the
wrong place and things like snapped cables happen.

I doubt the adjusters will work as it is right now, I suspect one is
laying in the bottom of the drum jamming the brakes as you come to a
stop. I would open that ASAP and look at it.

When the adjuster does work, they are left and right sided, be careful
not to mix parts up, you have to hit the brakes in reverse, then in
forward to reset the arm, then in reverse again. The shoes have a
rocking motion. The adjusters have to be manually set up close the
first time or the adjusters won't catch.

The Sears kit for the jack and stands is a good one. I can fit one like
it right behind the passenger seat when it is tipped forward. When the
seat comes back it locks/jams the jack in place so it can't turn into a
missile.

Mike

Boris wrote:
>
> Thanks again Mike
> The rear left drum doesn`t lock under hard braking only in city driving
> and locks just before I come to a complete stop (2-3mph)...I`m thinking of
> going to Sears to pick up a floor lift, they have a 3 ton floor lift with 2
> floor stands for $70...anything to watch out for? The spare will have to
> wait until I figure out the brake lock-up...you made me nervous! I have a
> Chilton Repair Book covers 1945-1987 Jeeps of course mine is a`88 so I don`t
> know for sure if `88 YJ have self adjusting rear drums like the `87...I`ll
> take the Jeep to a parking lot and try the self adjusting
> procedure.....10-15 stops in reverse, see if that will help. If not I will
> bring the Jeep to a brake shop....they can install the new emergency cables
> that I have too.
> Thanks again
> Boris
> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44F0B70D.6CC2A807@sympatico.ca...
> > The way to tell if you have a locker or limited slip is to jack up both
> > wheels and spin one by hand. If the wheel on the other side spins the
> > same way, then you have a traction device. If the wheel spins the
> > opposite way you have open differential.
> >
> > You can't use a smaller tire on an axle with a locker or limited slip.
> >
> > If you just have a locker in the back, then if you get a flat you 'must'
> > use the same size tire or you will destroy the gears. This means
> > swapping tires around if you use a smaller spare.
> >
> > If the front is still open, then when you have a flat in the rear, you
> > have to take a front tire off and put it in the back and use the smaller
> > spare in the front where the open is or vise versa if you only have a
> > front locker.
> >
> > You should get that brake looked at. Locking up in the rear can cause
> > you to do 360's faster than you can blink.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Boris wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> I don`t think I have locker or limited slip, the guy I bought it from
> >> didn`t mention. After it stops raining I`ll crawl underneath and take
> >> some
> >> pictures...I just purchased the YJ......has rebuilt (Jasper or rebuilt by
> >> Jasper) 6cyl, auto transmission (new seals+new torque converter) a
> >> Rubicon
> >> 5" lift and them big tires...he also claims new brakes last year, but the
> >> rear left drum locks up at crawl speed if I brake too hard...the
> >> emergency
> >> brake doesn`t work (maybe that`s the reason the rear drum locks once in a
> >> while) needs the cables which are in the mail, and a muffler and tail
> >> pipe...also in the mail. I live in N.J. and the YJ will be a pavement
> >> pounder...not much oportunity to go off road. Jeep runs/handles good, at
> >> 60mph the rpm`s are a little over 2000rpm`s.
> >> Thanks for your help
> >> Boris
> >> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:44F097C6.363EA70D@sympatico.ca...
> >> > Not even in the ball park.
> >> >
> >> > I would go with the cheaper stock 15"x7" rim that is easy to find a
> >> > used
> >> > tire for. 16" tires for a YJ are rare and pricey.
> >> >
> >> > To start off, do you have a locker or limited slip in either axle? The
> >> > answer to that will make a radical difference in what you can run.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > Boris wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If I get a 225/75/16 or 205/75/16 will this be the same height as my
> >> >> 315/75/16? and what rim width will I need for this tire as a spare?
> >> >> or
> >> >> am I
> >> >> way off base.
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Boris
> >> >>
> >> >> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:vrKHg.87$N84.62@trnddc08...
> >> >> > Thank you for the replies so far....I`m going to get one of those
> >> >> > 48"
> >> >> > Farmers Jack`s
> >> >> > At this point I just want a spare tire... as long it is the same
> >> >> > height
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > the other 3 tires I don`t care if it is skinnier. I`m only going to
> >> >> > drive
> >> >> > 10 miles or so until I get the original 35" tire fixed. I`m looking
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > $50 steel rim and a $100 tire. I`m probably not the sharpest crayon
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > box when it comes to tires+rim sizes..... could someone suggest a
> >> >> > rim
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > a tire....please.
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > Boris
> >> >> > http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:44EE26F2.4C1A92F1@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> >> Most rims have the size stamped into the back side.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mike
> >> >> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> >> >> Jan/06
> >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> >> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> An 8-10" rim should work. Couldn't you just remove a wheel and
> >> >> >>> measure
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> rim width? it's possible to do without removing the tire, if you
> >> >> >>> want
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> spare to match.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:BIgHg.24142$u1.16868@trnddc05...
> >> >> >>> >I just bought a `88 Wrangler with 315/75/16 tires. I don`t have a
> >> >> >>> >spare
> >> >> >>> >tire so I need a spare. I know that I need a 16" rim, 5 bolt 4.5"
> >> >> >>> >but
> >> >> >>> >what
> >> >> >>> >rim width do I need for a 315/75/16 tire?
> >> >> >>> > Thanks
> >> >> >>> > Boris
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >

Re: A question about rim size...
 

The brakes are almost identical on the 88 and 86, so are the engines and
the engine wiring harness. The Haynes CJ book has the best directions
for all that on 'your' Jeep. Their YJ book is more for the later 4.0
setup.

The emergency brake cables are easy to replace, especially with large
tires. Room to crawl around. You need to have the rear brakes adjusted
properly before doing the cables or the cables will/could end up at the
wrong place and things like snapped cables happen.

I doubt the adjusters will work as it is right now, I suspect one is
laying in the bottom of the drum jamming the brakes as you come to a
stop. I would open that ASAP and look at it.

When the adjuster does work, they are left and right sided, be careful
not to mix parts up, you have to hit the brakes in reverse, then in
forward to reset the arm, then in reverse again. The shoes have a
rocking motion. The adjusters have to be manually set up close the
first time or the adjusters won't catch.

The Sears kit for the jack and stands is a good one. I can fit one like
it right behind the passenger seat when it is tipped forward. When the
seat comes back it locks/jams the jack in place so it can't turn into a
missile.

Mike

Boris wrote:
>
> Thanks again Mike
> The rear left drum doesn`t lock under hard braking only in city driving
> and locks just before I come to a complete stop (2-3mph)...I`m thinking of
> going to Sears to pick up a floor lift, they have a 3 ton floor lift with 2
> floor stands for $70...anything to watch out for? The spare will have to
> wait until I figure out the brake lock-up...you made me nervous! I have a
> Chilton Repair Book covers 1945-1987 Jeeps of course mine is a`88 so I don`t
> know for sure if `88 YJ have self adjusting rear drums like the `87...I`ll
> take the Jeep to a parking lot and try the self adjusting
> procedure.....10-15 stops in reverse, see if that will help. If not I will
> bring the Jeep to a brake shop....they can install the new emergency cables
> that I have too.
> Thanks again
> Boris
> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44F0B70D.6CC2A807@sympatico.ca...
> > The way to tell if you have a locker or limited slip is to jack up both
> > wheels and spin one by hand. If the wheel on the other side spins the
> > same way, then you have a traction device. If the wheel spins the
> > opposite way you have open differential.
> >
> > You can't use a smaller tire on an axle with a locker or limited slip.
> >
> > If you just have a locker in the back, then if you get a flat you 'must'
> > use the same size tire or you will destroy the gears. This means
> > swapping tires around if you use a smaller spare.
> >
> > If the front is still open, then when you have a flat in the rear, you
> > have to take a front tire off and put it in the back and use the smaller
> > spare in the front where the open is or vise versa if you only have a
> > front locker.
> >
> > You should get that brake looked at. Locking up in the rear can cause
> > you to do 360's faster than you can blink.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Boris wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> I don`t think I have locker or limited slip, the guy I bought it from
> >> didn`t mention. After it stops raining I`ll crawl underneath and take
> >> some
> >> pictures...I just purchased the YJ......has rebuilt (Jasper or rebuilt by
> >> Jasper) 6cyl, auto transmission (new seals+new torque converter) a
> >> Rubicon
> >> 5" lift and them big tires...he also claims new brakes last year, but the
> >> rear left drum locks up at crawl speed if I brake too hard...the
> >> emergency
> >> brake doesn`t work (maybe that`s the reason the rear drum locks once in a
> >> while) needs the cables which are in the mail, and a muffler and tail
> >> pipe...also in the mail. I live in N.J. and the YJ will be a pavement
> >> pounder...not much oportunity to go off road. Jeep runs/handles good, at
> >> 60mph the rpm`s are a little over 2000rpm`s.
> >> Thanks for your help
> >> Boris
> >> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:44F097C6.363EA70D@sympatico.ca...
> >> > Not even in the ball park.
> >> >
> >> > I would go with the cheaper stock 15"x7" rim that is easy to find a
> >> > used
> >> > tire for. 16" tires for a YJ are rare and pricey.
> >> >
> >> > To start off, do you have a locker or limited slip in either axle? The
> >> > answer to that will make a radical difference in what you can run.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > Boris wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If I get a 225/75/16 or 205/75/16 will this be the same height as my
> >> >> 315/75/16? and what rim width will I need for this tire as a spare?
> >> >> or
> >> >> am I
> >> >> way off base.
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Boris
> >> >>
> >> >> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:vrKHg.87$N84.62@trnddc08...
> >> >> > Thank you for the replies so far....I`m going to get one of those
> >> >> > 48"
> >> >> > Farmers Jack`s
> >> >> > At this point I just want a spare tire... as long it is the same
> >> >> > height
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > the other 3 tires I don`t care if it is skinnier. I`m only going to
> >> >> > drive
> >> >> > 10 miles or so until I get the original 35" tire fixed. I`m looking
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > $50 steel rim and a $100 tire. I`m probably not the sharpest crayon
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > box when it comes to tires+rim sizes..... could someone suggest a
> >> >> > rim
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > a tire....please.
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > Boris
> >> >> > http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:44EE26F2.4C1A92F1@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> >> Most rims have the size stamped into the back side.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mike
> >> >> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> >> >> Jan/06
> >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> >> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> An 8-10" rim should work. Couldn't you just remove a wheel and
> >> >> >>> measure
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> rim width? it's possible to do without removing the tire, if you
> >> >> >>> want
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> spare to match.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:BIgHg.24142$u1.16868@trnddc05...
> >> >> >>> >I just bought a `88 Wrangler with 315/75/16 tires. I don`t have a
> >> >> >>> >spare
> >> >> >>> >tire so I need a spare. I know that I need a 16" rim, 5 bolt 4.5"
> >> >> >>> >but
> >> >> >>> >what
> >> >> >>> >rim width do I need for a 315/75/16 tire?
> >> >> >>> > Thanks
> >> >> >>> > Boris
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >

Re: A question about rim size...
 

The brakes are almost identical on the 88 and 86, so are the engines and
the engine wiring harness. The Haynes CJ book has the best directions
for all that on 'your' Jeep. Their YJ book is more for the later 4.0
setup.

The emergency brake cables are easy to replace, especially with large
tires. Room to crawl around. You need to have the rear brakes adjusted
properly before doing the cables or the cables will/could end up at the
wrong place and things like snapped cables happen.

I doubt the adjusters will work as it is right now, I suspect one is
laying in the bottom of the drum jamming the brakes as you come to a
stop. I would open that ASAP and look at it.

When the adjuster does work, they are left and right sided, be careful
not to mix parts up, you have to hit the brakes in reverse, then in
forward to reset the arm, then in reverse again. The shoes have a
rocking motion. The adjusters have to be manually set up close the
first time or the adjusters won't catch.

The Sears kit for the jack and stands is a good one. I can fit one like
it right behind the passenger seat when it is tipped forward. When the
seat comes back it locks/jams the jack in place so it can't turn into a
missile.

Mike

Boris wrote:
>
> Thanks again Mike
> The rear left drum doesn`t lock under hard braking only in city driving
> and locks just before I come to a complete stop (2-3mph)...I`m thinking of
> going to Sears to pick up a floor lift, they have a 3 ton floor lift with 2
> floor stands for $70...anything to watch out for? The spare will have to
> wait until I figure out the brake lock-up...you made me nervous! I have a
> Chilton Repair Book covers 1945-1987 Jeeps of course mine is a`88 so I don`t
> know for sure if `88 YJ have self adjusting rear drums like the `87...I`ll
> take the Jeep to a parking lot and try the self adjusting
> procedure.....10-15 stops in reverse, see if that will help. If not I will
> bring the Jeep to a brake shop....they can install the new emergency cables
> that I have too.
> Thanks again
> Boris
> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44F0B70D.6CC2A807@sympatico.ca...
> > The way to tell if you have a locker or limited slip is to jack up both
> > wheels and spin one by hand. If the wheel on the other side spins the
> > same way, then you have a traction device. If the wheel spins the
> > opposite way you have open differential.
> >
> > You can't use a smaller tire on an axle with a locker or limited slip.
> >
> > If you just have a locker in the back, then if you get a flat you 'must'
> > use the same size tire or you will destroy the gears. This means
> > swapping tires around if you use a smaller spare.
> >
> > If the front is still open, then when you have a flat in the rear, you
> > have to take a front tire off and put it in the back and use the smaller
> > spare in the front where the open is or vise versa if you only have a
> > front locker.
> >
> > You should get that brake looked at. Locking up in the rear can cause
> > you to do 360's faster than you can blink.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Boris wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> I don`t think I have locker or limited slip, the guy I bought it from
> >> didn`t mention. After it stops raining I`ll crawl underneath and take
> >> some
> >> pictures...I just purchased the YJ......has rebuilt (Jasper or rebuilt by
> >> Jasper) 6cyl, auto transmission (new seals+new torque converter) a
> >> Rubicon
> >> 5" lift and them big tires...he also claims new brakes last year, but the
> >> rear left drum locks up at crawl speed if I brake too hard...the
> >> emergency
> >> brake doesn`t work (maybe that`s the reason the rear drum locks once in a
> >> while) needs the cables which are in the mail, and a muffler and tail
> >> pipe...also in the mail. I live in N.J. and the YJ will be a pavement
> >> pounder...not much oportunity to go off road. Jeep runs/handles good, at
> >> 60mph the rpm`s are a little over 2000rpm`s.
> >> Thanks for your help
> >> Boris
> >> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:44F097C6.363EA70D@sympatico.ca...
> >> > Not even in the ball park.
> >> >
> >> > I would go with the cheaper stock 15"x7" rim that is easy to find a
> >> > used
> >> > tire for. 16" tires for a YJ are rare and pricey.
> >> >
> >> > To start off, do you have a locker or limited slip in either axle? The
> >> > answer to that will make a radical difference in what you can run.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > Boris wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If I get a 225/75/16 or 205/75/16 will this be the same height as my
> >> >> 315/75/16? and what rim width will I need for this tire as a spare?
> >> >> or
> >> >> am I
> >> >> way off base.
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Boris
> >> >>
> >> >> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:vrKHg.87$N84.62@trnddc08...
> >> >> > Thank you for the replies so far....I`m going to get one of those
> >> >> > 48"
> >> >> > Farmers Jack`s
> >> >> > At this point I just want a spare tire... as long it is the same
> >> >> > height
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > the other 3 tires I don`t care if it is skinnier. I`m only going to
> >> >> > drive
> >> >> > 10 miles or so until I get the original 35" tire fixed. I`m looking
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > $50 steel rim and a $100 tire. I`m probably not the sharpest crayon
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > box when it comes to tires+rim sizes..... could someone suggest a
> >> >> > rim
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > a tire....please.
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > Boris
> >> >> > http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:44EE26F2.4C1A92F1@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> >> Most rims have the size stamped into the back side.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mike
> >> >> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> >> >> Jan/06
> >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> >> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> An 8-10" rim should work. Couldn't you just remove a wheel and
> >> >> >>> measure
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> rim width? it's possible to do without removing the tire, if you
> >> >> >>> want
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> spare to match.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:BIgHg.24142$u1.16868@trnddc05...
> >> >> >>> >I just bought a `88 Wrangler with 315/75/16 tires. I don`t have a
> >> >> >>> >spare
> >> >> >>> >tire so I need a spare. I know that I need a 16" rim, 5 bolt 4.5"
> >> >> >>> >but
> >> >> >>> >what
> >> >> >>> >rim width do I need for a 315/75/16 tire?
> >> >> >>> > Thanks
> >> >> >>> > Boris
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >

Re: A question about rim size...
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> The only way a smaller spare will hurt anything is if you have a
> traction device in the axle. If you have open differentials, you can
> even use the 'silly spare' that comes stock with some Jeeps.

Yea, I forgot to mention I have LSD on the rear. And diff' damage from
a smaller spare is hearsay; many 4-wheel clubs have a "spare tire must
be the same diameter as runners" in their required equipment list, is
where I heard it.

Maybe it'd be better to say running an open diff' with a smaller tire
on one side for long periods of time at high speeds may cause excessive
wear on the diff' gears.

Re: A question about rim size...
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> The only way a smaller spare will hurt anything is if you have a
> traction device in the axle. If you have open differentials, you can
> even use the 'silly spare' that comes stock with some Jeeps.

Yea, I forgot to mention I have LSD on the rear. And diff' damage from
a smaller spare is hearsay; many 4-wheel clubs have a "spare tire must
be the same diameter as runners" in their required equipment list, is
where I heard it.

Maybe it'd be better to say running an open diff' with a smaller tire
on one side for long periods of time at high speeds may cause excessive
wear on the diff' gears.

Re: A question about rim size...
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> The only way a smaller spare will hurt anything is if you have a
> traction device in the axle. If you have open differentials, you can
> even use the 'silly spare' that comes stock with some Jeeps.

Yea, I forgot to mention I have LSD on the rear. And diff' damage from
a smaller spare is hearsay; many 4-wheel clubs have a "spare tire must
be the same diameter as runners" in their required equipment list, is
where I heard it.

Maybe it'd be better to say running an open diff' with a smaller tire
on one side for long periods of time at high speeds may cause excessive
wear on the diff' gears.

Re: A question about rim size...
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> The only way a smaller spare will hurt anything is if you have a
> traction device in the axle. If you have open differentials, you can
> even use the 'silly spare' that comes stock with some Jeeps.

Yea, I forgot to mention I have LSD on the rear. And diff' damage from
a smaller spare is hearsay; many 4-wheel clubs have a "spare tire must
be the same diameter as runners" in their required equipment list, is
where I heard it.

Maybe it'd be better to say running an open diff' with a smaller tire
on one side for long periods of time at high speeds may cause excessive
wear on the diff' gears.

Re: A question about rim size...
 

Hi Mike
Of course it is raining again but I did follow your direction...
"you have to hit the brakes in reverse, then in
forward to reset the arm, then in reverse again"
and it worked (for now) wheel doesn`t lock up anymore. Anyway the Chilton
is not very good, but I will have to pull the drums to install the new
parking brake cables anyway at least the way Chilton explains/not
explains....I`ll see if I can find any cut sheets on line for the brakes.
Thanks again I appreciate your help.
Boris
http://public.fotki.com/borysd/


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44F1C694.8D2693E4@sympatico.ca...
> The brakes are almost identical on the 88 and 86, so are the engines and
> the engine wiring harness. The Haynes CJ book has the best directions
> for all that on 'your' Jeep. Their YJ book is more for the later 4.0
> setup.
>
> The emergency brake cables are easy to replace, especially with large
> tires. Room to crawl around. You need to have the rear brakes adjusted
> properly before doing the cables or the cables will/could end up at the
> wrong place and things like snapped cables happen.
>
> I doubt the adjusters will work as it is right now, I suspect one is
> laying in the bottom of the drum jamming the brakes as you come to a
> stop. I would open that ASAP and look at it.
>
> When the adjuster does work, they are left and right sided, be careful
> not to mix parts up, you have to hit the brakes in reverse, then in
> forward to reset the arm, then in reverse again. The shoes have a
> rocking motion. The adjusters have to be manually set up close the
> first time or the adjusters won't catch.
>
> The Sears kit for the jack and stands is a good one. I can fit one like
> it right behind the passenger seat when it is tipped forward. When the
> seat comes back it locks/jams the jack in place so it can't turn into a
> missile.
>
> Mike
>
> Boris wrote:
>>
>> Thanks again Mike
>> The rear left drum doesn`t lock under hard braking only in city driving
>> and locks just before I come to a complete stop (2-3mph)...I`m thinking
>> of
>> going to Sears to pick up a floor lift, they have a 3 ton floor lift with
>> 2
>> floor stands for $70...anything to watch out for? The spare will have to
>> wait until I figure out the brake lock-up...you made me nervous! I have a
>> Chilton Repair Book covers 1945-1987 Jeeps of course mine is a`88 so I
>> don`t
>> know for sure if `88 YJ have self adjusting rear drums like the
>> `87...I`ll
>> take the Jeep to a parking lot and try the self adjusting
>> procedure.....10-15 stops in reverse, see if that will help. If not I
>> will
>> bring the Jeep to a brake shop....they can install the new emergency
>> cables
>> that I have too.
>> Thanks again
>> Boris
>> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44F0B70D.6CC2A807@sympatico.ca...
>> > The way to tell if you have a locker or limited slip is to jack up both
>> > wheels and spin one by hand. If the wheel on the other side spins the
>> > same way, then you have a traction device. If the wheel spins the
>> > opposite way you have open differential.
>> >
>> > You can't use a smaller tire on an axle with a locker or limited slip.
>> >
>> > If you just have a locker in the back, then if you get a flat you
>> > 'must'
>> > use the same size tire or you will destroy the gears. This means
>> > swapping tires around if you use a smaller spare.
>> >
>> > If the front is still open, then when you have a flat in the rear, you
>> > have to take a front tire off and put it in the back and use the
>> > smaller
>> > spare in the front where the open is or vise versa if you only have a
>> > front locker.
>> >
>> > You should get that brake looked at. Locking up in the rear can cause
>> > you to do 360's faster than you can blink.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Boris wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> I don`t think I have locker or limited slip, the guy I bought it from
>> >> didn`t mention. After it stops raining I`ll crawl underneath and take
>> >> some
>> >> pictures...I just purchased the YJ......has rebuilt (Jasper or rebuilt
>> >> by
>> >> Jasper) 6cyl, auto transmission (new seals+new torque converter) a
>> >> Rubicon
>> >> 5" lift and them big tires...he also claims new brakes last year, but
>> >> the
>> >> rear left drum locks up at crawl speed if I brake too hard...the
>> >> emergency
>> >> brake doesn`t work (maybe that`s the reason the rear drum locks once
>> >> in a
>> >> while) needs the cables which are in the mail, and a muffler and tail
>> >> pipe...also in the mail. I live in N.J. and the YJ will be a pavement
>> >> pounder...not much oportunity to go off road. Jeep runs/handles good,
>> >> at
>> >> 60mph the rpm`s are a little over 2000rpm`s.
>> >> Thanks for your help
>> >> Boris
>> >> http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
>> >>
>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:44F097C6.363EA70D@sympatico.ca...
>> >> > Not even in the ball park.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would go with the cheaper stock 15"x7" rim that is easy to find a
>> >> > used
>> >> > tire for. 16" tires for a YJ are rare and pricey.
>> >> >
>> >> > To start off, do you have a locker or limited slip in either axle?
>> >> > The
>> >> > answer to that will make a radical difference in what you can run.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >> >
>> >> > Boris wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If I get a 225/75/16 or 205/75/16 will this be the same height as
>> >> >> my
>> >> >> 315/75/16? and what rim width will I need for this tire as a
>> >> >> spare?
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> am I
>> >> >> way off base.
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >> Boris
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:vrKHg.87$N84.62@trnddc08...
>> >> >> > Thank you for the replies so far....I`m going to get one of those
>> >> >> > 48"
>> >> >> > Farmers Jack`s
>> >> >> > At this point I just want a spare tire... as long it is the same
>> >> >> > height
>> >> >> > as
>> >> >> > the other 3 tires I don`t care if it is skinnier. I`m only going
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > drive
>> >> >> > 10 miles or so until I get the original 35" tire fixed. I`m
>> >> >> > looking
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > $50 steel rim and a $100 tire. I`m probably not the sharpest
>> >> >> > crayon
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > box when it comes to tires+rim sizes..... could someone suggest a
>> >> >> > rim
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > a tire....please.
>> >> >> > Thanks
>> >> >> > Boris
>> >> >> > http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:44EE26F2.4C1A92F1@sympatico.ca...
>> >> >> >> Most rims have the size stamped into the back side.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Mike
>> >> >> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >> >> >> Jan/06
>> >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> >> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> An 8-10" rim should work. Couldn't you just remove a wheel and
>> >> >> >>> measure
>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >>> rim width? it's possible to do without removing the tire, if
>> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >>> want
>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >>> spare to match.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> "Boris" <borysd@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> news:BIgHg.24142$u1.16868@trnddc05...
>> >> >> >>> >I just bought a `88 Wrangler with 315/75/16 tires. I don`t
>> >> >> >>> >have a
>> >> >> >>> >spare
>> >> >> >>> >tire so I need a spare. I know that I need a 16" rim, 5 bolt
>> >> >> >>> >4.5"
>> >> >> >>> >but
>> >> >> >>> >what
>> >> >> >>> >rim width do I need for a 315/75/16 tire?
>> >> >> >>> > Thanks
>> >> >> >>> > Boris
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >