Putting two tow straps together???
12-22-2005 | 09:53 AM
#141
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Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Get any photos?
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>
> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's were
> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into the
> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day when
> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off and
> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple serious
> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these methods
> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it prolly
> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our legs...
>
> Jeff
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> > of a high lift jack.
> >
> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >
> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it
> >> a
> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >>
> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >>
> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >>
> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>
> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's were
> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into the
> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day when
> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off and
> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple serious
> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these methods
> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it prolly
> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our legs...
>
> Jeff
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> > of a high lift jack.
> >
> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >
> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it
> >> a
> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >>
> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >>
> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >>
> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >
12-22-2005 | 09:53 AM
#142
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Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Get any photos?
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>
> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's were
> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into the
> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day when
> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off and
> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple serious
> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these methods
> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it prolly
> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our legs...
>
> Jeff
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> > of a high lift jack.
> >
> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >
> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it
> >> a
> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >>
> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >>
> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >>
> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>
> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's were
> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into the
> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day when
> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off and
> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple serious
> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these methods
> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it prolly
> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our legs...
>
> Jeff
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> > of a high lift jack.
> >
> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >
> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it
> >> a
> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >>
> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >>
> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >>
> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >
12-22-2005 | 11:09 AM
#143
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Re: Putting two tow straps together???
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100186pt.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
Jeff
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> Get any photos?
>
> Mike
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>>
>> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
>> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
>> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
>> a
>> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
>> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
>> were
>> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
>> the
>> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
>> would
>> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
>> a
>> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
>> when
>> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
>> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
>> and
>> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
>> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
>> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
>> serious
>> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
>> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
>> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
>> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
>> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
>> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
>> methods
>> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
>> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
>> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
>> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
>> would
>> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
>> prolly
>> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
>> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
>> ripped
>> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
>> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
>> fought
>> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
>> legs...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
>> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
>> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
>> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
>> > of a high lift jack.
>> >
>> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
>> >
>> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
>> >> it
>> >> a
>> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>> >>
>> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
>> >>
>> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
>> >> the
>> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
>> >> >> wooden
>> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
>> >> > Bend
>> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
>> >> >
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
Jeff
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> Get any photos?
>
> Mike
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>>
>> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
>> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
>> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
>> a
>> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
>> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
>> were
>> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
>> the
>> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
>> would
>> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
>> a
>> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
>> when
>> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
>> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
>> and
>> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
>> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
>> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
>> serious
>> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
>> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
>> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
>> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
>> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
>> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
>> methods
>> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
>> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
>> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
>> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
>> would
>> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
>> prolly
>> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
>> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
>> ripped
>> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
>> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
>> fought
>> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
>> legs...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
>> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
>> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
>> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
>> > of a high lift jack.
>> >
>> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
>> >
>> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
>> >> it
>> >> a
>> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>> >>
>> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
>> >>
>> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
>> >> the
>> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
>> >> >> wooden
>> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
>> >> > Bend
>> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
>> >> >
12-22-2005 | 11:09 AM
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Re: Putting two tow straps together???
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100186pt.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
Jeff
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> Get any photos?
>
> Mike
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>>
>> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
>> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
>> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
>> a
>> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
>> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
>> were
>> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
>> the
>> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
>> would
>> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
>> a
>> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
>> when
>> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
>> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
>> and
>> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
>> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
>> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
>> serious
>> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
>> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
>> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
>> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
>> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
>> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
>> methods
>> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
>> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
>> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
>> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
>> would
>> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
>> prolly
>> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
>> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
>> ripped
>> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
>> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
>> fought
>> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
>> legs...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
>> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
>> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
>> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
>> > of a high lift jack.
>> >
>> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
>> >
>> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
>> >> it
>> >> a
>> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>> >>
>> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
>> >>
>> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
>> >> the
>> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
>> >> >> wooden
>> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
>> >> > Bend
>> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
>> >> >
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
Jeff
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> Get any photos?
>
> Mike
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>>
>> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
>> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
>> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
>> a
>> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
>> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
>> were
>> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
>> the
>> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
>> would
>> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
>> a
>> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
>> when
>> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
>> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
>> and
>> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
>> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
>> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
>> serious
>> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
>> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
>> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
>> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
>> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
>> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
>> methods
>> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
>> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
>> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
>> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
>> would
>> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
>> prolly
>> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
>> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
>> ripped
>> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
>> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
>> fought
>> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
>> legs...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
>> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
>> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
>> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
>> > of a high lift jack.
>> >
>> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
>> >
>> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
>> >> it
>> >> a
>> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>> >>
>> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
>> >>
>> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
>> >> the
>> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
>> >> >> wooden
>> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
>> >> > Bend
>> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
>> >> >
12-22-2005 | 11:09 AM
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Re: Putting two tow straps together???
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100186pt.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
Jeff
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> Get any photos?
>
> Mike
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>>
>> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
>> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
>> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
>> a
>> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
>> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
>> were
>> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
>> the
>> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
>> would
>> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
>> a
>> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
>> when
>> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
>> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
>> and
>> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
>> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
>> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
>> serious
>> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
>> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
>> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
>> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
>> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
>> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
>> methods
>> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
>> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
>> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
>> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
>> would
>> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
>> prolly
>> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
>> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
>> ripped
>> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
>> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
>> fought
>> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
>> legs...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
>> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
>> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
>> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
>> > of a high lift jack.
>> >
>> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
>> >
>> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
>> >> it
>> >> a
>> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>> >>
>> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
>> >>
>> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
>> >> the
>> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
>> >> >> wooden
>> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
>> >> > Bend
>> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
>> >> >
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
Jeff
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> Get any photos?
>
> Mike
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>>
>> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
>> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
>> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
>> a
>> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
>> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
>> were
>> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
>> the
>> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
>> would
>> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
>> a
>> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
>> when
>> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
>> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
>> and
>> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
>> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
>> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
>> serious
>> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
>> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
>> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
>> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
>> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
>> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
>> methods
>> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
>> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
>> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
>> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
>> would
>> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
>> prolly
>> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
>> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
>> ripped
>> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
>> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
>> fought
>> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
>> legs...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
>> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
>> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
>> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
>> > of a high lift jack.
>> >
>> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
>> >
>> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
>> >> it
>> >> a
>> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>> >>
>> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
>> >>
>> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
>> >> the
>> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
>> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
>> >> >> wooden
>> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
>> >> > Bend
>> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
>> >> >
12-22-2005 | 12:16 PM
#146
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Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Wow, glad no one was hurt.
Could you imaging the devastation that would have happened if you had a
metal D-ring in there instead of a stick?
You mentioned you switched to new straps. How old was the one that
snapped and was it barked up or mangled in the area it failed? Or was
it just too old?
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100186pt.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
>
> unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
>
> Jeff
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> > Get any photos?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> I appreciate all the responses folks...
> >>
> >> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> >> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> >> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
> >> a
> >> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> >> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
> >> were
> >> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
> >> the
> >> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
> >> would
> >> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
> >> a
> >> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
> >> when
> >> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> >> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
> >> and
> >> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> >> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> >> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
> >> serious
> >> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> >> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> >> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> >> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> >> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> >> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
> >> methods
> >> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> >> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> >> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> >> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
> >> would
> >> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
> >> prolly
> >> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> >> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
> >> ripped
> >> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> >> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
> >> fought
> >> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
> >> legs...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> >> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> >> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> >> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> >> > of a high lift jack.
> >> >
> >> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >> >
> >> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
> >> >> it
> >> >> a
> >> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >> >>
> >> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >> >>
> >> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
> >> >> the
> >> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >> >>
> >> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
> >> >> >> wooden
> >> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
> >> >> > Bend
> >> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >> >
Could you imaging the devastation that would have happened if you had a
metal D-ring in there instead of a stick?
You mentioned you switched to new straps. How old was the one that
snapped and was it barked up or mangled in the area it failed? Or was
it just too old?
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100186pt.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
>
> unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
>
> Jeff
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> > Get any photos?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> I appreciate all the responses folks...
> >>
> >> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> >> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> >> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
> >> a
> >> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> >> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
> >> were
> >> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
> >> the
> >> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
> >> would
> >> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
> >> a
> >> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
> >> when
> >> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> >> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
> >> and
> >> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> >> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> >> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
> >> serious
> >> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> >> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> >> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> >> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> >> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> >> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
> >> methods
> >> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> >> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> >> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> >> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
> >> would
> >> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
> >> prolly
> >> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> >> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
> >> ripped
> >> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> >> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
> >> fought
> >> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
> >> legs...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> >> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> >> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> >> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> >> > of a high lift jack.
> >> >
> >> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >> >
> >> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
> >> >> it
> >> >> a
> >> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >> >>
> >> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >> >>
> >> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
> >> >> the
> >> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >> >>
> >> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
> >> >> >> wooden
> >> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
> >> >> > Bend
> >> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >> >
12-22-2005 | 12:16 PM
#147
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Wow, glad no one was hurt.
Could you imaging the devastation that would have happened if you had a
metal D-ring in there instead of a stick?
You mentioned you switched to new straps. How old was the one that
snapped and was it barked up or mangled in the area it failed? Or was
it just too old?
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100186pt.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
>
> unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
>
> Jeff
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> > Get any photos?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> I appreciate all the responses folks...
> >>
> >> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> >> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> >> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
> >> a
> >> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> >> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
> >> were
> >> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
> >> the
> >> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
> >> would
> >> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
> >> a
> >> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
> >> when
> >> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> >> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
> >> and
> >> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> >> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> >> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
> >> serious
> >> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> >> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> >> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> >> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> >> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> >> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
> >> methods
> >> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> >> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> >> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> >> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
> >> would
> >> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
> >> prolly
> >> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> >> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
> >> ripped
> >> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> >> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
> >> fought
> >> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
> >> legs...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> >> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> >> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> >> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> >> > of a high lift jack.
> >> >
> >> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >> >
> >> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
> >> >> it
> >> >> a
> >> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >> >>
> >> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >> >>
> >> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
> >> >> the
> >> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >> >>
> >> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
> >> >> >> wooden
> >> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
> >> >> > Bend
> >> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >> >
Could you imaging the devastation that would have happened if you had a
metal D-ring in there instead of a stick?
You mentioned you switched to new straps. How old was the one that
snapped and was it barked up or mangled in the area it failed? Or was
it just too old?
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100186pt.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
>
> unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
>
> Jeff
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> > Get any photos?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> I appreciate all the responses folks...
> >>
> >> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> >> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> >> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
> >> a
> >> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> >> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
> >> were
> >> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
> >> the
> >> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
> >> would
> >> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
> >> a
> >> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
> >> when
> >> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> >> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
> >> and
> >> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> >> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> >> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
> >> serious
> >> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> >> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> >> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> >> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> >> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> >> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
> >> methods
> >> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> >> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> >> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> >> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
> >> would
> >> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
> >> prolly
> >> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> >> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
> >> ripped
> >> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> >> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
> >> fought
> >> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
> >> legs...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> >> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> >> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> >> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> >> > of a high lift jack.
> >> >
> >> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >> >
> >> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
> >> >> it
> >> >> a
> >> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >> >>
> >> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >> >>
> >> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
> >> >> the
> >> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >> >>
> >> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
> >> >> >> wooden
> >> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
> >> >> > Bend
> >> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >> >
12-22-2005 | 12:16 PM
#148
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Wow, glad no one was hurt.
Could you imaging the devastation that would have happened if you had a
metal D-ring in there instead of a stick?
You mentioned you switched to new straps. How old was the one that
snapped and was it barked up or mangled in the area it failed? Or was
it just too old?
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100186pt.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
>
> unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
>
> Jeff
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> > Get any photos?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> I appreciate all the responses folks...
> >>
> >> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> >> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> >> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
> >> a
> >> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> >> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
> >> were
> >> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
> >> the
> >> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
> >> would
> >> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
> >> a
> >> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
> >> when
> >> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> >> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
> >> and
> >> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> >> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> >> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
> >> serious
> >> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> >> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> >> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> >> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> >> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> >> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
> >> methods
> >> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> >> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> >> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> >> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
> >> would
> >> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
> >> prolly
> >> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> >> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
> >> ripped
> >> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> >> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
> >> fought
> >> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
> >> legs...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> >> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> >> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> >> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> >> > of a high lift jack.
> >> >
> >> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >> >
> >> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
> >> >> it
> >> >> a
> >> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >> >>
> >> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >> >>
> >> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
> >> >> the
> >> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >> >>
> >> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
> >> >> >> wooden
> >> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
> >> >> > Bend
> >> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >> >
Could you imaging the devastation that would have happened if you had a
metal D-ring in there instead of a stick?
You mentioned you switched to new straps. How old was the one that
snapped and was it barked up or mangled in the area it failed? Or was
it just too old?
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100186pt.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100215ew.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100227lf.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100236yp.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100244zh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100258bx.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100261yz.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100319zc.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
>
> unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in it...
>
> Jeff
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
> > Get any photos?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> I appreciate all the responses folks...
> >>
> >> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> >> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> >> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's
> >> a
> >> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> >> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
> >> were
> >> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
> >> the
> >> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
> >> would
> >> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward
> >> a
> >> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
> >> when
> >> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> >> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
> >> and
> >> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> >> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> >> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
> >> serious
> >> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> >> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> >> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> >> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> >> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> >> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
> >> methods
> >> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> >> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> >> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> >> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
> >> would
> >> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
> >> prolly
> >> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> >> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
> >> ripped
> >> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> >> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
> >> fought
> >> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
> >> legs...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> >> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> >> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> >> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> >> > of a high lift jack.
> >> >
> >> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >> >
> >> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
> >> >> it
> >> >> a
> >> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >> >>
> >> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >> >>
> >> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
> >> >> the
> >> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >> >>
> >> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
> >> >> >> wooden
> >> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
> >> >> > Bend
> >> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >> >
