price alright?
#11
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Re: price alright?
Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
suspension rather than the body I think.
Dave
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
<nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body lift.. i
>would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget for
>a long time..
>
>"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
>> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
>> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
>> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
>> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
>> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
>> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
>> coil spacers IMO.
>>
>> Dave
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
>> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> >hey everyone,
>> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on a
>> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
>deal..
>> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
>> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
>> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
>> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
>> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
>> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it comes
>out
>> >to be 1100 even.
>> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do anything
>for
>> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
>lift
>> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
>> > thanks for everyones help
>> > -nicole
>> >
>>
>
you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
suspension rather than the body I think.
Dave
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
<nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body lift.. i
>would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget for
>a long time..
>
>"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
>> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
>> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
>> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
>> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
>> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
>> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
>> coil spacers IMO.
>>
>> Dave
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
>> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> >hey everyone,
>> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on a
>> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
>deal..
>> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
>> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
>> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
>> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
>> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
>> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it comes
>out
>> >to be 1100 even.
>> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do anything
>for
>> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
>lift
>> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
>> > thanks for everyones help
>> > -nicole
>> >
>>
>
#12
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Re: price alright?
Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
suspension rather than the body I think.
Dave
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
<nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body lift.. i
>would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget for
>a long time..
>
>"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
>> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
>> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
>> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
>> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
>> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
>> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
>> coil spacers IMO.
>>
>> Dave
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
>> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> >hey everyone,
>> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on a
>> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
>deal..
>> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
>> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
>> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
>> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
>> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
>> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it comes
>out
>> >to be 1100 even.
>> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do anything
>for
>> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
>lift
>> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
>> > thanks for everyones help
>> > -nicole
>> >
>>
>
you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
suspension rather than the body I think.
Dave
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
<nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body lift.. i
>would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget for
>a long time..
>
>"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
>> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
>> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
>> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
>> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
>> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
>> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
>> coil spacers IMO.
>>
>> Dave
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
>> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> >hey everyone,
>> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on a
>> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
>deal..
>> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
>> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
>> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
>> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
>> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
>> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it comes
>out
>> >to be 1100 even.
>> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do anything
>for
>> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
>lift
>> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
>> > thanks for everyones help
>> > -nicole
>> >
>>
>
#13
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Re: price alright?
Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
suspension rather than the body I think.
Dave
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
<nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body lift.. i
>would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget for
>a long time..
>
>"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
>> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
>> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
>> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
>> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
>> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
>> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
>> coil spacers IMO.
>>
>> Dave
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
>> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> >hey everyone,
>> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on a
>> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
>deal..
>> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
>> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
>> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
>> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
>> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
>> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it comes
>out
>> >to be 1100 even.
>> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do anything
>for
>> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
>lift
>> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
>> > thanks for everyones help
>> > -nicole
>> >
>>
>
you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
suspension rather than the body I think.
Dave
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
<nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body lift.. i
>would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget for
>a long time..
>
>"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
>> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
>> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
>> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
>> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
>> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
>> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
>> coil spacers IMO.
>>
>> Dave
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
>> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> >hey everyone,
>> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on a
>> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
>deal..
>> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
>> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
>> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
>> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
>> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
>> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it comes
>out
>> >to be 1100 even.
>> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do anything
>for
>> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
>lift
>> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
>> > thanks for everyones help
>> > -nicole
>> >
>>
>
#14
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Re: price alright?
ill ask him to to see if thats what ill be getting, thatd be great :) thanks
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
#15
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Re: price alright?
ill ask him to to see if thats what ill be getting, thatd be great :) thanks
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
#16
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Re: price alright?
ill ask him to to see if thats what ill be getting, thatd be great :) thanks
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: price alright?
ill ask him to to see if thats what ill be getting, thatd be great :) thanks
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: price alright?
But is that installed or just the spacers? Sounds like she got labour and
all for the $1100.
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
all for the $1100.
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: price alright?
But is that installed or just the spacers? Sounds like she got labour and
all for the $1100.
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
all for the $1100.
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
#20
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: price alright?
But is that installed or just the spacers? Sounds like she got labour and
all for the $1100.
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
all for the $1100.
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:642680tk10vmp39ssj9l8je299gohr9t2b@4ax.com...
> Ya, but the $113 he quoted you for the body lift is darn close to what
> you'd pay for the coil spacer lift. The TeraFlex 'Budget Boost' I'm
> running can be had for ~$125 or less. Body lifts are OK to eek an inch
> or two if you need it after lifting the suspension I guess, but I
> wouldn't go there in this case. You'd be much happier lifting the
> suspension rather than the body I think.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >i'm pretty sure the guy i talked to meant just the hockey puck body
lift.. i
> >would love to get a coil suspension body lift but it isn't in the budget
for
> >a long time..
> >
> >"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:geo580d8q95mrclkmcqvm9p1t7o28dsh61@4ax.com.. .
> >> Not sure about the price since I haven't been in the market for any of
> >> those items recently, but as far as the coil spacers go, they sure
> >> *DO* do something for ground clearance. Unless you are talking about a
> >> body lift? Coil spacers on a TJ will lift the entire vehicle up from
> >> the axles, whereas the body lift will only lift the body up off the
> >> frame. Make sure you know which one you are getting, and go with the
> >> coil spacers IMO.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:57 -0400, "Nicole Mason"
> >> <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hey everyone,
> >> > im finally going to break down and put some new rims and tires on
a
> >> >credit card, before i do i just want to make sure im getting a good
> >deal..
> >> > i went to the local offroad shop and this is what he had for me:
> >> > 4 31x10.50 truxus mts tires at 488
> >> > 4 15x 7 A/R outlaw rims for 304
> >> > 20 chrome nuts for 20 bucks
> >> > and 2 pairs of coil spring spaces for 113.82
> >> > after sales tax, recycle fees, mounting and balancing + labor it
comes
> >out
> >> >to be 1100 even.
> >> > i didn't really want the 2" spacer lifts since it doesn't do
anything
> >for
> >> >ground clearance but he said that i need at least 1.25 inches of body
> >lift
> >> >to ensure no rubbing offroad..
> >> > thanks for everyones help
> >> > -nicole
> >> >
> >>
> >
>