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Uzytkownik "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> napisal w wiadomosci
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> I've got an 88 MJ, 4.0L with power steering. For quite a while now
> I've been noticing a small "catch" or bind, for lack of a better term,
> at a spot about 1/8 of a turn, maybe 30 degrees, from centered
> position of the wheel, if I make a slow turn while I'm moving. Does
> the same thing at the same place in both directions, more noticable to
> the right. OK, steering gear is going. Couple of things that bother
> me, tho. At a dead stop, I cannot find the bind no matter how lightly
> or slowly I turn the wheel. I've tried taking weight off the front
> end and checking at several spots on the way up but I still can't
> duplicate the problem sitting still, even with the wheels off the
> ground. The other oddity is that this doesn't show up until I run it
> for a few miles and warm up the ps fluid. When it's happening, it
> feels just like a bad worm gear or a cracked ball in the steering
> gear. I've had a similar issue with older GM cars when the spool wore
> out, but it's not quite the same.
>
> I thought I'd ask for ideas before I just swap out the steering gear -
> I would hate to replace that (damned pitman arm!) only to find that it
> was really something in the suspension. This is the same front end
> that is under the 87+ XJ so if anyone has any better ideas than the
> gear box I'm all ears.
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

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Uzytkownik "Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> napisal w wiadomosci
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-H4HkZ4QodPoy@anon.none.net...
> I've got an 88 MJ, 4.0L with power steering. For quite a while now
> I've been noticing a small "catch" or bind, for lack of a better term,
> at a spot about 1/8 of a turn, maybe 30 degrees, from centered
> position of the wheel, if I make a slow turn while I'm moving. Does
> the same thing at the same place in both directions, more noticable to
> the right. OK, steering gear is going. Couple of things that bother
> me, tho. At a dead stop, I cannot find the bind no matter how lightly
> or slowly I turn the wheel. I've tried taking weight off the front
> end and checking at several spots on the way up but I still can't
> duplicate the problem sitting still, even with the wheels off the
> ground. The other oddity is that this doesn't show up until I run it
> for a few miles and warm up the ps fluid. When it's happening, it
> feels just like a bad worm gear or a cracked ball in the steering
> gear. I've had a similar issue with older GM cars when the spool wore
> out, but it's not quite the same.
>
> I thought I'd ask for ideas before I just swap out the steering gear -
> I would hate to replace that (damned pitman arm!) only to find that it
> was really something in the suspension. This is the same front end
> that is under the 87+ XJ so if anyone has any better ideas than the
> gear box I'm all ears.
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

Now we're getting somewhere. This really feels like a mechanical
problem to me but I can't duplicate it on the lift. I'll look a bit
harder at the u-joints when I get it on the lift this afternoon but
I'm starting to think it may be the ball joints or tie rods as Mike
brings up. I hate to pull them just on speculation but it may come to
that. You wouldn't think that things like that would go in only 160k,
would you? Nah...

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:51:42 UTC aGraham <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme>
wrote:

> I just had a very similar issue. The Jeep would drive fine but
> occasionally would not want to return to center after a corner or want
> to turn at all. Found out that both of my axle U-Joints were frozen
> solid. So solid that my 250 lb buddy could not even get them to bend.
> I am really lucky the yokes did not break. I would suggest looking at
> your u-joints first.
>
>
>
> In article <3F840EB5.ABCDC9C2@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Will, you could be describing a ball joint or tie rod end about to go
> > really bad on you.
> >
> > A blown front axle u-joint can make a bind too.
> >
> > I am thinking this because it only grabs when moving, not sitting.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll have to look at the drawings of the pump to be sure I see what
> > > you are talking about, Bill, but I agree about the ***** being OK -
> > > it's usually been a worn spot in the race that caused the problem.
> > > That same place, both directions part is what has me puzzled. Also,
> > > the bind is after the turn has started when you increase it just a
> > > little in the corner. If you hit the tight spot, back off, then try
> > > again it's still there. Wish I could get it to repeat sitting still
> > > so I could a better look at the whole linkage when this happens.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:00:01 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> > > <----------@***.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Will,
> > > > Good luck. I'll tell you my Bronco will do that when it has sucked
> > > > air, turning to the left only, not to the right. Like you used up the
> > > > valve clutches and we get a hesitation before the assist kicks in.
> > > > Anyway, I loosen the four bolts of the plate that adjusts the sector
> > > > shaft enough to bleed it bass it's O ring. I don't think you'll find a
> > > > problem with the Recirculating ***** as they're always in a new
> > > > position, nor on the teeth of the piston and shaft.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Will Honea wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've got an 88 MJ, 4.0L with power steering. For quite a while now
> > > > > I've been noticing a small "catch" or bind, for lack of a better term,
> > > > > at a spot about 1/8 of a turn, maybe 30 degrees, from centered
> > > > > position of the wheel, if I make a slow turn while I'm moving. Does
> > > > > the same thing at the same place in both directions, more noticable to
> > > > > the right. OK, steering gear is going. Couple of things that bother
> > > > > me, tho. At a dead stop, I cannot find the bind no matter how lightly
> > > > > or slowly I turn the wheel. I've tried taking weight off the front
> > > > > end and checking at several spots on the way up but I still can't
> > > > > duplicate the problem sitting still, even with the wheels off the
> > > > > ground. The other oddity is that this doesn't show up until I run it
> > > > > for a few miles and warm up the ps fluid. When it's happening, it
> > > > > feels just like a bad worm gear or a cracked ball in the steering
> > > > > gear. I've had a similar issue with older GM cars when the spool wore
> > > > > out, but it's not quite the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought I'd ask for ideas before I just swap out the steering gear -
> > > > > I would hate to replace that (damned pitman arm!) only to find that it
> > > > > was really something in the suspension. This is the same front end
> > > > > that is under the 87+ XJ so if anyone has any better ideas than the
> > > > > gear box I'm all ears.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
>


--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

Now we're getting somewhere. This really feels like a mechanical
problem to me but I can't duplicate it on the lift. I'll look a bit
harder at the u-joints when I get it on the lift this afternoon but
I'm starting to think it may be the ball joints or tie rods as Mike
brings up. I hate to pull them just on speculation but it may come to
that. You wouldn't think that things like that would go in only 160k,
would you? Nah...

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:51:42 UTC aGraham <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme>
wrote:

> I just had a very similar issue. The Jeep would drive fine but
> occasionally would not want to return to center after a corner or want
> to turn at all. Found out that both of my axle U-Joints were frozen
> solid. So solid that my 250 lb buddy could not even get them to bend.
> I am really lucky the yokes did not break. I would suggest looking at
> your u-joints first.
>
>
>
> In article <3F840EB5.ABCDC9C2@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Will, you could be describing a ball joint or tie rod end about to go
> > really bad on you.
> >
> > A blown front axle u-joint can make a bind too.
> >
> > I am thinking this because it only grabs when moving, not sitting.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll have to look at the drawings of the pump to be sure I see what
> > > you are talking about, Bill, but I agree about the ***** being OK -
> > > it's usually been a worn spot in the race that caused the problem.
> > > That same place, both directions part is what has me puzzled. Also,
> > > the bind is after the turn has started when you increase it just a
> > > little in the corner. If you hit the tight spot, back off, then try
> > > again it's still there. Wish I could get it to repeat sitting still
> > > so I could a better look at the whole linkage when this happens.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:00:01 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> > > <----------@***.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Will,
> > > > Good luck. I'll tell you my Bronco will do that when it has sucked
> > > > air, turning to the left only, not to the right. Like you used up the
> > > > valve clutches and we get a hesitation before the assist kicks in.
> > > > Anyway, I loosen the four bolts of the plate that adjusts the sector
> > > > shaft enough to bleed it bass it's O ring. I don't think you'll find a
> > > > problem with the Recirculating ***** as they're always in a new
> > > > position, nor on the teeth of the piston and shaft.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Will Honea wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've got an 88 MJ, 4.0L with power steering. For quite a while now
> > > > > I've been noticing a small "catch" or bind, for lack of a better term,
> > > > > at a spot about 1/8 of a turn, maybe 30 degrees, from centered
> > > > > position of the wheel, if I make a slow turn while I'm moving. Does
> > > > > the same thing at the same place in both directions, more noticable to
> > > > > the right. OK, steering gear is going. Couple of things that bother
> > > > > me, tho. At a dead stop, I cannot find the bind no matter how lightly
> > > > > or slowly I turn the wheel. I've tried taking weight off the front
> > > > > end and checking at several spots on the way up but I still can't
> > > > > duplicate the problem sitting still, even with the wheels off the
> > > > > ground. The other oddity is that this doesn't show up until I run it
> > > > > for a few miles and warm up the ps fluid. When it's happening, it
> > > > > feels just like a bad worm gear or a cracked ball in the steering
> > > > > gear. I've had a similar issue with older GM cars when the spool wore
> > > > > out, but it's not quite the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought I'd ask for ideas before I just swap out the steering gear -
> > > > > I would hate to replace that (damned pitman arm!) only to find that it
> > > > > was really something in the suspension. This is the same front end
> > > > > that is under the 87+ XJ so if anyone has any better ideas than the
> > > > > gear box I'm all ears.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
>


--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

Now we're getting somewhere. This really feels like a mechanical
problem to me but I can't duplicate it on the lift. I'll look a bit
harder at the u-joints when I get it on the lift this afternoon but
I'm starting to think it may be the ball joints or tie rods as Mike
brings up. I hate to pull them just on speculation but it may come to
that. You wouldn't think that things like that would go in only 160k,
would you? Nah...

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:51:42 UTC aGraham <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme>
wrote:

> I just had a very similar issue. The Jeep would drive fine but
> occasionally would not want to return to center after a corner or want
> to turn at all. Found out that both of my axle U-Joints were frozen
> solid. So solid that my 250 lb buddy could not even get them to bend.
> I am really lucky the yokes did not break. I would suggest looking at
> your u-joints first.
>
>
>
> In article <3F840EB5.ABCDC9C2@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Will, you could be describing a ball joint or tie rod end about to go
> > really bad on you.
> >
> > A blown front axle u-joint can make a bind too.
> >
> > I am thinking this because it only grabs when moving, not sitting.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll have to look at the drawings of the pump to be sure I see what
> > > you are talking about, Bill, but I agree about the ***** being OK -
> > > it's usually been a worn spot in the race that caused the problem.
> > > That same place, both directions part is what has me puzzled. Also,
> > > the bind is after the turn has started when you increase it just a
> > > little in the corner. If you hit the tight spot, back off, then try
> > > again it's still there. Wish I could get it to repeat sitting still
> > > so I could a better look at the whole linkage when this happens.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:00:01 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> > > <----------@***.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Will,
> > > > Good luck. I'll tell you my Bronco will do that when it has sucked
> > > > air, turning to the left only, not to the right. Like you used up the
> > > > valve clutches and we get a hesitation before the assist kicks in.
> > > > Anyway, I loosen the four bolts of the plate that adjusts the sector
> > > > shaft enough to bleed it bass it's O ring. I don't think you'll find a
> > > > problem with the Recirculating ***** as they're always in a new
> > > > position, nor on the teeth of the piston and shaft.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Will Honea wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've got an 88 MJ, 4.0L with power steering. For quite a while now
> > > > > I've been noticing a small "catch" or bind, for lack of a better term,
> > > > > at a spot about 1/8 of a turn, maybe 30 degrees, from centered
> > > > > position of the wheel, if I make a slow turn while I'm moving. Does
> > > > > the same thing at the same place in both directions, more noticable to
> > > > > the right. OK, steering gear is going. Couple of things that bother
> > > > > me, tho. At a dead stop, I cannot find the bind no matter how lightly
> > > > > or slowly I turn the wheel. I've tried taking weight off the front
> > > > > end and checking at several spots on the way up but I still can't
> > > > > duplicate the problem sitting still, even with the wheels off the
> > > > > ground. The other oddity is that this doesn't show up until I run it
> > > > > for a few miles and warm up the ps fluid. When it's happening, it
> > > > > feels just like a bad worm gear or a cracked ball in the steering
> > > > > gear. I've had a similar issue with older GM cars when the spool wore
> > > > > out, but it's not quite the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought I'd ask for ideas before I just swap out the steering gear -
> > > > > I would hate to replace that (damned pitman arm!) only to find that it
> > > > > was really something in the suspension. This is the same front end
> > > > > that is under the 87+ XJ so if anyone has any better ideas than the
> > > > > gear box I'm all ears.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
>


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Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>