Dave Milne

I doubt it.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Damn never as quick as a forty year old Ford Cobra's zero to a
> hundred and back to zero in less than thirteen seconds:
> http://www.mathewscollection.com/collection_cobra.htm
> http://www.cia.com.au/seale/cobra.html
> http://www.ritzsite.net/AC_Cobra/05_cobra.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > This is what replaced the Speed 12 - the Cerbera Speed 12
> >
> > http://www.exoticcarsite.com/pages/t...a_speed_12.htm
> >
> > If you want a cheaper one, you can buy a Tuscan 440 R -
> >
> > 4.5 litre dry sumped I6,
> > 440hp @ 7600 rpm,
> > top speed 215 mpg
> > 0-60 < 4 secs

Dave Milne

I doubt it.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41CB70C6.E457BEA5@***.net...
> Damn never as quick as a forty year old Ford Cobra's zero to a
> hundred and back to zero in less than thirteen seconds:
> http://www.mathewscollection.com/collection_cobra.htm
> http://www.cia.com.au/seale/cobra.html
> http://www.ritzsite.net/AC_Cobra/05_cobra.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > This is what replaced the Speed 12 - the Cerbera Speed 12
> >
> > http://www.exoticcarsite.com/pages/t...a_speed_12.htm
> >
> > If you want a cheaper one, you can buy a Tuscan 440 R -
> >
> > 4.5 litre dry sumped I6,
> > 440hp @ 7600 rpm,
> > top speed 215 mpg
> > 0-60 < 4 secs

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Someday, if you're lucky someone will give you a ride power by a
427" and remove all doubts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I doubt it.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Someday, if you're lucky someone will give you a ride power by a
427" and remove all doubts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I doubt it.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Someday, if you're lucky someone will give you a ride power by a
427" and remove all doubts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I doubt it.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

griffin

Meh, that's an older BMW ...I'm talkin M3/M5 ...in an overall performance
competition including straights, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, full mile, circuit, European
windy roads, etc ...I'd put my $ on the M5 beating the Vette overall. I know
you're hellbent on your 427 and all that, but the M5's 10-cylinder engine
will sit you back in your seat ...and the cars suspension can actually allow
for high-speed cornering - unlike the Vette (brings to mind a race I saw
between a Pantera and Viper and Pantera and Vette ...twas a funny site to
see ...those Pantera's are unreal in the corners).

The only car you've mentioned in this thread that I have any real respect
for is the Cobra. I've seen several of them race and they are a wonderfully
designed automobile (not to mention one of the prettiest) ...

And yes, I'm comparing a Jap Ricer to an American car ...that was my point
in the first place. Take a Jap car and a US car in the same class and
compare them. Sure the US car is great on the straights ...but if the
grocery store happens to be around a corner, ta ta.

I guess it depends on the argument. If you're arguing for straight 1/4 mile
runs ...I agree that overall, the muscle cars and American beasts are far
better than most Ricers. If you're comparing a complete track run with
corners, etc, few US/muscle cars will take the M5, WRX, 300ZX, NSX, etc.
Either way, I'm still not a fan of the Vette's in particular. I've watched a
lot of races with both new and older Vette's and never been really
impressed.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41CB6DA7.B6B206F6@***.net...
> Geez! The Pontiac wasn't made for cornering, it made to take four
> adults and a baby comfortably to the grocery store and back. You're
> comparing a Japanese rice burner to an American car? My Brother owns a
> Bimmer V12, what a POS! http://members.aol.com/B------III/jerrybmw.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > When your 'Vette can race a circuit against any higher end import like
an
> > NSX or M5, come back and start yappin about your American straight cars.
;p
> > My point was that the GAm GT is similar to the Vette in that ...fast off
the
> > line, great on the straight, but when you throw a few degrees into the
road
> > it's time to call the insurance company.

griffin

Meh, that's an older BMW ...I'm talkin M3/M5 ...in an overall performance
competition including straights, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, full mile, circuit, European
windy roads, etc ...I'd put my $ on the M5 beating the Vette overall. I know
you're hellbent on your 427 and all that, but the M5's 10-cylinder engine
will sit you back in your seat ...and the cars suspension can actually allow
for high-speed cornering - unlike the Vette (brings to mind a race I saw
between a Pantera and Viper and Pantera and Vette ...twas a funny site to
see ...those Pantera's are unreal in the corners).

The only car you've mentioned in this thread that I have any real respect
for is the Cobra. I've seen several of them race and they are a wonderfully
designed automobile (not to mention one of the prettiest) ...

And yes, I'm comparing a Jap Ricer to an American car ...that was my point
in the first place. Take a Jap car and a US car in the same class and
compare them. Sure the US car is great on the straights ...but if the
grocery store happens to be around a corner, ta ta.

I guess it depends on the argument. If you're arguing for straight 1/4 mile
runs ...I agree that overall, the muscle cars and American beasts are far
better than most Ricers. If you're comparing a complete track run with
corners, etc, few US/muscle cars will take the M5, WRX, 300ZX, NSX, etc.
Either way, I'm still not a fan of the Vette's in particular. I've watched a
lot of races with both new and older Vette's and never been really
impressed.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41CB6DA7.B6B206F6@***.net...
> Geez! The Pontiac wasn't made for cornering, it made to take four
> adults and a baby comfortably to the grocery store and back. You're
> comparing a Japanese rice burner to an American car? My Brother owns a
> Bimmer V12, what a POS! http://members.aol.com/B------III/jerrybmw.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > When your 'Vette can race a circuit against any higher end import like
an
> > NSX or M5, come back and start yappin about your American straight cars.
;p
> > My point was that the GAm GT is similar to the Vette in that ...fast off
the
> > line, great on the straight, but when you throw a few degrees into the
road
> > it's time to call the insurance company.

griffin

Meh, that's an older BMW ...I'm talkin M3/M5 ...in an overall performance
competition including straights, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, full mile, circuit, European
windy roads, etc ...I'd put my $ on the M5 beating the Vette overall. I know
you're hellbent on your 427 and all that, but the M5's 10-cylinder engine
will sit you back in your seat ...and the cars suspension can actually allow
for high-speed cornering - unlike the Vette (brings to mind a race I saw
between a Pantera and Viper and Pantera and Vette ...twas a funny site to
see ...those Pantera's are unreal in the corners).

The only car you've mentioned in this thread that I have any real respect
for is the Cobra. I've seen several of them race and they are a wonderfully
designed automobile (not to mention one of the prettiest) ...

And yes, I'm comparing a Jap Ricer to an American car ...that was my point
in the first place. Take a Jap car and a US car in the same class and
compare them. Sure the US car is great on the straights ...but if the
grocery store happens to be around a corner, ta ta.

I guess it depends on the argument. If you're arguing for straight 1/4 mile
runs ...I agree that overall, the muscle cars and American beasts are far
better than most Ricers. If you're comparing a complete track run with
corners, etc, few US/muscle cars will take the M5, WRX, 300ZX, NSX, etc.
Either way, I'm still not a fan of the Vette's in particular. I've watched a
lot of races with both new and older Vette's and never been really
impressed.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41CB6DA7.B6B206F6@***.net...
> Geez! The Pontiac wasn't made for cornering, it made to take four
> adults and a baby comfortably to the grocery store and back. You're
> comparing a Japanese rice burner to an American car? My Brother owns a
> Bimmer V12, what a POS! http://members.aol.com/B------III/jerrybmw.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > When your 'Vette can race a circuit against any higher end import like
an
> > NSX or M5, come back and start yappin about your American straight cars.
;p
> > My point was that the GAm GT is similar to the Vette in that ...fast off
the
> > line, great on the straight, but when you throw a few degrees into the
road
> > it's time to call the insurance company.

Lon

Hey, glad to hear from the Alzheimer's contingent, but have you
actually *checked* on the performance of a modern computer controlled
engine?

L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Lon your memory is failing, or you have never felt the power of a stock
> 427" or 426". Otherwise, you'd know none of these puny computer
> controlled engines could ever deliver the horse power needed to topple
> the records set back in the sixties:
> http://www.nhra.com/stats/stk_record.html

Lon

Hey, glad to hear from the Alzheimer's contingent, but have you
actually *checked* on the performance of a modern computer controlled
engine?

L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Lon your memory is failing, or you have never felt the power of a stock
> 427" or 426". Otherwise, you'd know none of these puny computer
> controlled engines could ever deliver the horse power needed to topple
> the records set back in the sixties:
> http://www.nhra.com/stats/stk_record.html