Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
#31
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
noydb wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:30:41 +0100, "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >I am going to risk injecting a serious note into this thread. Most of what
> >you want to accomplish can be done with a change of wheels and tires, or
> >simply a change of tires. I saw a picture of a "lowered looking" Wrangler
> >once, that merely had low profile tires on stock rims. Be aware though,
> >that any change in ride height involves a change in steering geometry. This
> >is true, even if all you change are the tires and wheels. Do not expect to
> >change ride height, without some possibly serious changes in vehicle
> >response, to your attempts to point it in various directions.
> >
> >Earle
> >
>
> I'm really interested in improving high speed stability more than
> anything else. But after looking at the various pics of lowered
> Wranglers, and considering the ground clearance issues and potential
> steering geometry problems, it appears this idea just isn't worth the
> potential grief.
>
> Thanks for the input.
> -N
Not much you can do for high speed. The short wheelbase and
aerodynamics of a brick just plain gets 'twitchy' over 75 mph or so.
Run at 80+ mph and you will leave finger dents in the steering wheel....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:30:41 +0100, "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >I am going to risk injecting a serious note into this thread. Most of what
> >you want to accomplish can be done with a change of wheels and tires, or
> >simply a change of tires. I saw a picture of a "lowered looking" Wrangler
> >once, that merely had low profile tires on stock rims. Be aware though,
> >that any change in ride height involves a change in steering geometry. This
> >is true, even if all you change are the tires and wheels. Do not expect to
> >change ride height, without some possibly serious changes in vehicle
> >response, to your attempts to point it in various directions.
> >
> >Earle
> >
>
> I'm really interested in improving high speed stability more than
> anything else. But after looking at the various pics of lowered
> Wranglers, and considering the ground clearance issues and potential
> steering geometry problems, it appears this idea just isn't worth the
> potential grief.
>
> Thanks for the input.
> -N
Not much you can do for high speed. The short wheelbase and
aerodynamics of a brick just plain gets 'twitchy' over 75 mph or so.
Run at 80+ mph and you will leave finger dents in the steering wheel....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
noydb wrote:
> Has anyone ever seen this done ?
>
> I'd like to drastically lower one and possibly widen the track a few
> inches as well.
> It would handle like a slot car.
> Ideally, I'd like to make the suspension adjustable, so if the need
> ever arose, the thing could be raised to its normal level.
>
> I think this would make a cool show car.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments regarding the feasibility of this project.
>
> Thanks, --N
What's a "Wragler"????
--
FRH
> Has anyone ever seen this done ?
>
> I'd like to drastically lower one and possibly widen the track a few
> inches as well.
> It would handle like a slot car.
> Ideally, I'd like to make the suspension adjustable, so if the need
> ever arose, the thing could be raised to its normal level.
>
> I think this would make a cool show car.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments regarding the feasibility of this project.
>
> Thanks, --N
What's a "Wragler"????
--
FRH
#33
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
noydb wrote:
> Has anyone ever seen this done ?
>
> I'd like to drastically lower one and possibly widen the track a few
> inches as well.
> It would handle like a slot car.
> Ideally, I'd like to make the suspension adjustable, so if the need
> ever arose, the thing could be raised to its normal level.
>
> I think this would make a cool show car.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments regarding the feasibility of this project.
>
> Thanks, --N
What's a "Wragler"????
--
FRH
> Has anyone ever seen this done ?
>
> I'd like to drastically lower one and possibly widen the track a few
> inches as well.
> It would handle like a slot car.
> Ideally, I'd like to make the suspension adjustable, so if the need
> ever arose, the thing could be raised to its normal level.
>
> I think this would make a cool show car.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments regarding the feasibility of this project.
>
> Thanks, --N
What's a "Wragler"????
--
FRH
#34
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
noydb wrote:
> Has anyone ever seen this done ?
>
> I'd like to drastically lower one and possibly widen the track a few
> inches as well.
> It would handle like a slot car.
> Ideally, I'd like to make the suspension adjustable, so if the need
> ever arose, the thing could be raised to its normal level.
>
> I think this would make a cool show car.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments regarding the feasibility of this project.
>
> Thanks, --N
What's a "Wragler"????
--
FRH
> Has anyone ever seen this done ?
>
> I'd like to drastically lower one and possibly widen the track a few
> inches as well.
> It would handle like a slot car.
> Ideally, I'd like to make the suspension adjustable, so if the need
> ever arose, the thing could be raised to its normal level.
>
> I think this would make a cool show car.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments regarding the feasibility of this project.
>
> Thanks, --N
What's a "Wragler"????
--
FRH
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
noydb did pass the time by typing:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:30:41 +0100, "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I am going to risk injecting a serious note into this thread. Most of what
>> you want to accomplish can be done with a change of wheels and tires, or
>> simply a change of tires. I saw a picture of a "lowered looking" Wrangler
>> once, that merely had low profile tires on stock rims. Be aware though,
>> that any change in ride height involves a change in steering geometry. This
>> is true, even if all you change are the tires and wheels. Do not expect to
>> change ride height, without some possibly serious changes in vehicle
>> response, to your attempts to point it in various directions.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>
> I'm really interested in improving high speed stability more than
> anything else. But after looking at the various pics of lowered
> Wranglers, and considering the ground clearance issues and potential
> steering geometry problems, it appears this idea just isn't worth the
> potential grief.
If your after stability then go with a thicker anti roll bar front
and rear. Combine that with shocks like the Rancho 9000 (adjustable)
so you can crank up the stiffness. IF your worried about offroad
and that thicker bar then get quick disconnects for the _front only_.
Disconnecting both front and rear gives seriously bizarre handling. :)
As for tires, if your not planning on offroading on anything other
than gravel then look at the Pirelli scorpions, they are a 6ply side
wall that even in P215-75r15 provide some serious improvement in road
feel and stability. They will let you know which side of the penny
you ran over.
Or go +1 or +2 with the rims and shrink the wheels by one size, say
going from 225 to 215.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:30:41 +0100, "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I am going to risk injecting a serious note into this thread. Most of what
>> you want to accomplish can be done with a change of wheels and tires, or
>> simply a change of tires. I saw a picture of a "lowered looking" Wrangler
>> once, that merely had low profile tires on stock rims. Be aware though,
>> that any change in ride height involves a change in steering geometry. This
>> is true, even if all you change are the tires and wheels. Do not expect to
>> change ride height, without some possibly serious changes in vehicle
>> response, to your attempts to point it in various directions.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>
> I'm really interested in improving high speed stability more than
> anything else. But after looking at the various pics of lowered
> Wranglers, and considering the ground clearance issues and potential
> steering geometry problems, it appears this idea just isn't worth the
> potential grief.
If your after stability then go with a thicker anti roll bar front
and rear. Combine that with shocks like the Rancho 9000 (adjustable)
so you can crank up the stiffness. IF your worried about offroad
and that thicker bar then get quick disconnects for the _front only_.
Disconnecting both front and rear gives seriously bizarre handling. :)
As for tires, if your not planning on offroading on anything other
than gravel then look at the Pirelli scorpions, they are a 6ply side
wall that even in P215-75r15 provide some serious improvement in road
feel and stability. They will let you know which side of the penny
you ran over.
Or go +1 or +2 with the rims and shrink the wheels by one size, say
going from 225 to 215.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
#36
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
noydb did pass the time by typing:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:30:41 +0100, "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I am going to risk injecting a serious note into this thread. Most of what
>> you want to accomplish can be done with a change of wheels and tires, or
>> simply a change of tires. I saw a picture of a "lowered looking" Wrangler
>> once, that merely had low profile tires on stock rims. Be aware though,
>> that any change in ride height involves a change in steering geometry. This
>> is true, even if all you change are the tires and wheels. Do not expect to
>> change ride height, without some possibly serious changes in vehicle
>> response, to your attempts to point it in various directions.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>
> I'm really interested in improving high speed stability more than
> anything else. But after looking at the various pics of lowered
> Wranglers, and considering the ground clearance issues and potential
> steering geometry problems, it appears this idea just isn't worth the
> potential grief.
If your after stability then go with a thicker anti roll bar front
and rear. Combine that with shocks like the Rancho 9000 (adjustable)
so you can crank up the stiffness. IF your worried about offroad
and that thicker bar then get quick disconnects for the _front only_.
Disconnecting both front and rear gives seriously bizarre handling. :)
As for tires, if your not planning on offroading on anything other
than gravel then look at the Pirelli scorpions, they are a 6ply side
wall that even in P215-75r15 provide some serious improvement in road
feel and stability. They will let you know which side of the penny
you ran over.
Or go +1 or +2 with the rims and shrink the wheels by one size, say
going from 225 to 215.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:30:41 +0100, "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I am going to risk injecting a serious note into this thread. Most of what
>> you want to accomplish can be done with a change of wheels and tires, or
>> simply a change of tires. I saw a picture of a "lowered looking" Wrangler
>> once, that merely had low profile tires on stock rims. Be aware though,
>> that any change in ride height involves a change in steering geometry. This
>> is true, even if all you change are the tires and wheels. Do not expect to
>> change ride height, without some possibly serious changes in vehicle
>> response, to your attempts to point it in various directions.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>
> I'm really interested in improving high speed stability more than
> anything else. But after looking at the various pics of lowered
> Wranglers, and considering the ground clearance issues and potential
> steering geometry problems, it appears this idea just isn't worth the
> potential grief.
If your after stability then go with a thicker anti roll bar front
and rear. Combine that with shocks like the Rancho 9000 (adjustable)
so you can crank up the stiffness. IF your worried about offroad
and that thicker bar then get quick disconnects for the _front only_.
Disconnecting both front and rear gives seriously bizarre handling. :)
As for tires, if your not planning on offroading on anything other
than gravel then look at the Pirelli scorpions, they are a 6ply side
wall that even in P215-75r15 provide some serious improvement in road
feel and stability. They will let you know which side of the penny
you ran over.
Or go +1 or +2 with the rims and shrink the wheels by one size, say
going from 225 to 215.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
noydb did pass the time by typing:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:30:41 +0100, "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I am going to risk injecting a serious note into this thread. Most of what
>> you want to accomplish can be done with a change of wheels and tires, or
>> simply a change of tires. I saw a picture of a "lowered looking" Wrangler
>> once, that merely had low profile tires on stock rims. Be aware though,
>> that any change in ride height involves a change in steering geometry. This
>> is true, even if all you change are the tires and wheels. Do not expect to
>> change ride height, without some possibly serious changes in vehicle
>> response, to your attempts to point it in various directions.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>
> I'm really interested in improving high speed stability more than
> anything else. But after looking at the various pics of lowered
> Wranglers, and considering the ground clearance issues and potential
> steering geometry problems, it appears this idea just isn't worth the
> potential grief.
If your after stability then go with a thicker anti roll bar front
and rear. Combine that with shocks like the Rancho 9000 (adjustable)
so you can crank up the stiffness. IF your worried about offroad
and that thicker bar then get quick disconnects for the _front only_.
Disconnecting both front and rear gives seriously bizarre handling. :)
As for tires, if your not planning on offroading on anything other
than gravel then look at the Pirelli scorpions, they are a 6ply side
wall that even in P215-75r15 provide some serious improvement in road
feel and stability. They will let you know which side of the penny
you ran over.
Or go +1 or +2 with the rims and shrink the wheels by one size, say
going from 225 to 215.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:30:41 +0100, "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I am going to risk injecting a serious note into this thread. Most of what
>> you want to accomplish can be done with a change of wheels and tires, or
>> simply a change of tires. I saw a picture of a "lowered looking" Wrangler
>> once, that merely had low profile tires on stock rims. Be aware though,
>> that any change in ride height involves a change in steering geometry. This
>> is true, even if all you change are the tires and wheels. Do not expect to
>> change ride height, without some possibly serious changes in vehicle
>> response, to your attempts to point it in various directions.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>
> I'm really interested in improving high speed stability more than
> anything else. But after looking at the various pics of lowered
> Wranglers, and considering the ground clearance issues and potential
> steering geometry problems, it appears this idea just isn't worth the
> potential grief.
If your after stability then go with a thicker anti roll bar front
and rear. Combine that with shocks like the Rancho 9000 (adjustable)
so you can crank up the stiffness. IF your worried about offroad
and that thicker bar then get quick disconnects for the _front only_.
Disconnecting both front and rear gives seriously bizarre handling. :)
As for tires, if your not planning on offroading on anything other
than gravel then look at the Pirelli scorpions, they are a 6ply side
wall that even in P215-75r15 provide some serious improvement in road
feel and stability. They will let you know which side of the penny
you ran over.
Or go +1 or +2 with the rims and shrink the wheels by one size, say
going from 225 to 215.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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: Cool hydraulics at: http://----------.com/lowrider.htm
*urp*
Oh god... I think I am gonna throw up.
KJK
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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: Cool hydraulics at: http://----------.com/lowrider.htm
*urp*
Oh god... I think I am gonna throw up.
KJK
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Re: Is it possible to lower a Wragler ?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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: Cool hydraulics at: http://----------.com/lowrider.htm
*urp*
Oh god... I think I am gonna throw up.
KJK