Mike Romain

I agree too. Our 400 series highways up here are 110 kph or 70 mph plus
in the slow lane, someone doing 60 mph is a hazard. Center lane is
120-140 kph and the fast lane, well.... One weekend I dropped into the
fast lane with my old Volvo GLT and still had folks crawling up my butt
at 200 kph.....

When my wife and I want to just have a nice drive, we have a secondary
system that has a speed of 80 kph with 90 - 100 kph or 60 mph tops is
the norm.

These roads are the one to tow on and tons of folks do. On a 200 mile
trip to our normal bush area, the 'slow' road only adds a half hour and
the drive is pleasant with nice rural scenery. Found a buffalo farm,
honey farm all the veggies one can dream of, etc....

I know how twitchy my Jeep gets at 80 mph and towing while being there,
well.....

Mike

reconair wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> There's no disagreeing with you here and man, your totally right. But,
> I'm talking human nature. Here in the good ol US of A, people just want to
> get where they're going in the least amount of time. Yeah, I bust the speed
> limit from time to time and pullin a trailer while doin it. That's just a
> risk I'm accepting. I agree, that the sensible advice is to give the
> newbies and the wanna be's the "within the law" and "according to the
> operator's manual" point of view, not only for their safety, but also for
> ours. It's just that people use those things as a point of departure and
> make up their own mind on how they're gonna do things. Yep, the 4 banger
> can handle the pop-up within the limits. But, whose limits? Stay slow and
> deliberate and everyone will be safe, no doubt. But, when your trying to
> keep in step with bumper to bumper traffic @ 75mph plus on Interstate 95
> during a three day weekend, you would at least like to blend in instead of
> becoming a road hazard for all the other crazies.
>
> Point being, if someone wants to know the limits of his or her's vehicles,
> let's give them the real deal so they can tune their expectations to the
> real world.
>
> btw, If I start to bounce, I'll slow down until I don't. Sure, I take
> risks, but I'm not willing to jeopardize my safety nor the safety of others.
>
> Scott
> 91YJ
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42A8DF19.DB29D75E@sympatico.ca...
> > You know, something always confuses me about trailer towing.....
> >
> > As far as I know, the law here in Canada says you are only allowed to
> > tow a trailer of 'any' size behind 'any' passenger vehicle at the
> > maximum speed limit of 55 mph or 90 kph.
> >
> > It totally blows my mind when I am buzzing along at 120 kph or 70+ mph
> > and these fools with the pop up and utility trailers or even big dual
> > wheel ones go blowing by me with the freaking tires bouncing all over
> > creation because 'who' even thinks about balancing the tires or knows
> > when that rumble means one tire is doing 6" in the air and 20-50'
> > hops....
> >
> > I am sorry, but I think the TJ with the 4 banger can handle a pop up
> > doing the 'Canadian' speed limit for towing one with no real issues at
> > all, same for an emissioned to crap YJ's 4.2.
> >
> > Just my $0.02.....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > reconair wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Gene,
> >>
> >> I respect Bill and Mike's comments regarding the 2.5L and the trailer.
> >> But, I got to tell you the real deal based on my experience. I have a 91
> >> 4.0L YJ and a 13 ft Jayco pop-up. I've yanked that thing all over the US
> >> including coast to coast at least three times since 1994 when I first
> >> bought
> >> the trailer. I always pack it up with everything I need for the trip or
> >> campsite. I've never had it weighed when packed, but I'm reasonable sure
> >> I've never exceeded 2000 lbs. Bottom line is that I've struggled pulling
> >> that thing and have made several mods to my Jeep in order to gain
> >> additional
> >> capability. When it was stock, I would'nt haul that thing any more than
> >> a
> >> couple of hundred miles. The 4.0L just wasn't up to the task. I added a
> >> high lift cam and headers to the motor, a free flowing exhaust system,
> >> re-
> >> geared to 4.10s for my 33X12.5 tires and finally got to a point I was
> >> happy
> >> with the Jeep's performance while hauling the trailer, with three
> >> teenagers
> >> to boot. I like to keep speed and have hauled that thing up to 80mph on
> >> the
> >> straight out. No wagging the dog either. On the hills -- I mean little
> >> hills -- it still struggles and gas mileage drops significantly to around
> >> 10-13mph. I am comfortable enough knowing that my Jeep can pull that
> >> thing
> >> for most anything I want to do, barely. I have serious doubts that your
> >> 2.5L is up to the task beyond a few hundred miles in minimum traffic.
> >> When
> >> rigged and loaded right your Jeep will pull that trailer in a very stable
> >> manner. I'm convinced though, that you won't be pleased with the 2.5L
> >> performance and may even become discussed with the outcome.
> >> Bottomline --
> >> go for it and if your disappointed, well all I can say is either live
> >> with
> >> your decision or get a vehicle more suitable to your desires.
> >>
> >> v/r
> >> Scott
> >> 91YJ w/fixins
> >>
> >> "Gene Pool" <Aladdin53@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >> news:18069-42A8A56A-191@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net...
> >> >I am sorry for the confusion most of it brought on by my vauge post. I
> >> > am wondering if a 99 TJ 4-cyl 5 speed 2.5 would pull a pop-up camper?
> >> > I
> >> > am in the midwest and have no plans to go thru the mountains or
> >> > anything
> >> > like that. Mostly Interstate traveling and occasionally rolling hills.
> >> > Thank you all for your responses. If I read the owners manuel right I
> >> > am
> >> > OK up to 2000 lbs.
> >> >

Mike Romain

I agree too. Our 400 series highways up here are 110 kph or 70 mph plus
in the slow lane, someone doing 60 mph is a hazard. Center lane is
120-140 kph and the fast lane, well.... One weekend I dropped into the
fast lane with my old Volvo GLT and still had folks crawling up my butt
at 200 kph.....

When my wife and I want to just have a nice drive, we have a secondary
system that has a speed of 80 kph with 90 - 100 kph or 60 mph tops is
the norm.

These roads are the one to tow on and tons of folks do. On a 200 mile
trip to our normal bush area, the 'slow' road only adds a half hour and
the drive is pleasant with nice rural scenery. Found a buffalo farm,
honey farm all the veggies one can dream of, etc....

I know how twitchy my Jeep gets at 80 mph and towing while being there,
well.....

Mike

reconair wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> There's no disagreeing with you here and man, your totally right. But,
> I'm talking human nature. Here in the good ol US of A, people just want to
> get where they're going in the least amount of time. Yeah, I bust the speed
> limit from time to time and pullin a trailer while doin it. That's just a
> risk I'm accepting. I agree, that the sensible advice is to give the
> newbies and the wanna be's the "within the law" and "according to the
> operator's manual" point of view, not only for their safety, but also for
> ours. It's just that people use those things as a point of departure and
> make up their own mind on how they're gonna do things. Yep, the 4 banger
> can handle the pop-up within the limits. But, whose limits? Stay slow and
> deliberate and everyone will be safe, no doubt. But, when your trying to
> keep in step with bumper to bumper traffic @ 75mph plus on Interstate 95
> during a three day weekend, you would at least like to blend in instead of
> becoming a road hazard for all the other crazies.
>
> Point being, if someone wants to know the limits of his or her's vehicles,
> let's give them the real deal so they can tune their expectations to the
> real world.
>
> btw, If I start to bounce, I'll slow down until I don't. Sure, I take
> risks, but I'm not willing to jeopardize my safety nor the safety of others.
>
> Scott
> 91YJ
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42A8DF19.DB29D75E@sympatico.ca...
> > You know, something always confuses me about trailer towing.....
> >
> > As far as I know, the law here in Canada says you are only allowed to
> > tow a trailer of 'any' size behind 'any' passenger vehicle at the
> > maximum speed limit of 55 mph or 90 kph.
> >
> > It totally blows my mind when I am buzzing along at 120 kph or 70+ mph
> > and these fools with the pop up and utility trailers or even big dual
> > wheel ones go blowing by me with the freaking tires bouncing all over
> > creation because 'who' even thinks about balancing the tires or knows
> > when that rumble means one tire is doing 6" in the air and 20-50'
> > hops....
> >
> > I am sorry, but I think the TJ with the 4 banger can handle a pop up
> > doing the 'Canadian' speed limit for towing one with no real issues at
> > all, same for an emissioned to crap YJ's 4.2.
> >
> > Just my $0.02.....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > reconair wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Gene,
> >>
> >> I respect Bill and Mike's comments regarding the 2.5L and the trailer.
> >> But, I got to tell you the real deal based on my experience. I have a 91
> >> 4.0L YJ and a 13 ft Jayco pop-up. I've yanked that thing all over the US
> >> including coast to coast at least three times since 1994 when I first
> >> bought
> >> the trailer. I always pack it up with everything I need for the trip or
> >> campsite. I've never had it weighed when packed, but I'm reasonable sure
> >> I've never exceeded 2000 lbs. Bottom line is that I've struggled pulling
> >> that thing and have made several mods to my Jeep in order to gain
> >> additional
> >> capability. When it was stock, I would'nt haul that thing any more than
> >> a
> >> couple of hundred miles. The 4.0L just wasn't up to the task. I added a
> >> high lift cam and headers to the motor, a free flowing exhaust system,
> >> re-
> >> geared to 4.10s for my 33X12.5 tires and finally got to a point I was
> >> happy
> >> with the Jeep's performance while hauling the trailer, with three
> >> teenagers
> >> to boot. I like to keep speed and have hauled that thing up to 80mph on
> >> the
> >> straight out. No wagging the dog either. On the hills -- I mean little
> >> hills -- it still struggles and gas mileage drops significantly to around
> >> 10-13mph. I am comfortable enough knowing that my Jeep can pull that
> >> thing
> >> for most anything I want to do, barely. I have serious doubts that your
> >> 2.5L is up to the task beyond a few hundred miles in minimum traffic.
> >> When
> >> rigged and loaded right your Jeep will pull that trailer in a very stable
> >> manner. I'm convinced though, that you won't be pleased with the 2.5L
> >> performance and may even become discussed with the outcome.
> >> Bottomline --
> >> go for it and if your disappointed, well all I can say is either live
> >> with
> >> your decision or get a vehicle more suitable to your desires.
> >>
> >> v/r
> >> Scott
> >> 91YJ w/fixins
> >>
> >> "Gene Pool" <Aladdin53@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >> news:18069-42A8A56A-191@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net...
> >> >I am sorry for the confusion most of it brought on by my vauge post. I
> >> > am wondering if a 99 TJ 4-cyl 5 speed 2.5 would pull a pop-up camper?
> >> > I
> >> > am in the midwest and have no plans to go thru the mountains or
> >> > anything
> >> > like that. Mostly Interstate traveling and occasionally rolling hills.
> >> > Thank you all for your responses. If I read the owners manuel right I
> >> > am
> >> > OK up to 2000 lbs.
> >> >

Mike Romain

I agree too. Our 400 series highways up here are 110 kph or 70 mph plus
in the slow lane, someone doing 60 mph is a hazard. Center lane is
120-140 kph and the fast lane, well.... One weekend I dropped into the
fast lane with my old Volvo GLT and still had folks crawling up my butt
at 200 kph.....

When my wife and I want to just have a nice drive, we have a secondary
system that has a speed of 80 kph with 90 - 100 kph or 60 mph tops is
the norm.

These roads are the one to tow on and tons of folks do. On a 200 mile
trip to our normal bush area, the 'slow' road only adds a half hour and
the drive is pleasant with nice rural scenery. Found a buffalo farm,
honey farm all the veggies one can dream of, etc....

I know how twitchy my Jeep gets at 80 mph and towing while being there,
well.....

Mike

reconair wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> There's no disagreeing with you here and man, your totally right. But,
> I'm talking human nature. Here in the good ol US of A, people just want to
> get where they're going in the least amount of time. Yeah, I bust the speed
> limit from time to time and pullin a trailer while doin it. That's just a
> risk I'm accepting. I agree, that the sensible advice is to give the
> newbies and the wanna be's the "within the law" and "according to the
> operator's manual" point of view, not only for their safety, but also for
> ours. It's just that people use those things as a point of departure and
> make up their own mind on how they're gonna do things. Yep, the 4 banger
> can handle the pop-up within the limits. But, whose limits? Stay slow and
> deliberate and everyone will be safe, no doubt. But, when your trying to
> keep in step with bumper to bumper traffic @ 75mph plus on Interstate 95
> during a three day weekend, you would at least like to blend in instead of
> becoming a road hazard for all the other crazies.
>
> Point being, if someone wants to know the limits of his or her's vehicles,
> let's give them the real deal so they can tune their expectations to the
> real world.
>
> btw, If I start to bounce, I'll slow down until I don't. Sure, I take
> risks, but I'm not willing to jeopardize my safety nor the safety of others.
>
> Scott
> 91YJ
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42A8DF19.DB29D75E@sympatico.ca...
> > You know, something always confuses me about trailer towing.....
> >
> > As far as I know, the law here in Canada says you are only allowed to
> > tow a trailer of 'any' size behind 'any' passenger vehicle at the
> > maximum speed limit of 55 mph or 90 kph.
> >
> > It totally blows my mind when I am buzzing along at 120 kph or 70+ mph
> > and these fools with the pop up and utility trailers or even big dual
> > wheel ones go blowing by me with the freaking tires bouncing all over
> > creation because 'who' even thinks about balancing the tires or knows
> > when that rumble means one tire is doing 6" in the air and 20-50'
> > hops....
> >
> > I am sorry, but I think the TJ with the 4 banger can handle a pop up
> > doing the 'Canadian' speed limit for towing one with no real issues at
> > all, same for an emissioned to crap YJ's 4.2.
> >
> > Just my $0.02.....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > reconair wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Gene,
> >>
> >> I respect Bill and Mike's comments regarding the 2.5L and the trailer.
> >> But, I got to tell you the real deal based on my experience. I have a 91
> >> 4.0L YJ and a 13 ft Jayco pop-up. I've yanked that thing all over the US
> >> including coast to coast at least three times since 1994 when I first
> >> bought
> >> the trailer. I always pack it up with everything I need for the trip or
> >> campsite. I've never had it weighed when packed, but I'm reasonable sure
> >> I've never exceeded 2000 lbs. Bottom line is that I've struggled pulling
> >> that thing and have made several mods to my Jeep in order to gain
> >> additional
> >> capability. When it was stock, I would'nt haul that thing any more than
> >> a
> >> couple of hundred miles. The 4.0L just wasn't up to the task. I added a
> >> high lift cam and headers to the motor, a free flowing exhaust system,
> >> re-
> >> geared to 4.10s for my 33X12.5 tires and finally got to a point I was
> >> happy
> >> with the Jeep's performance while hauling the trailer, with three
> >> teenagers
> >> to boot. I like to keep speed and have hauled that thing up to 80mph on
> >> the
> >> straight out. No wagging the dog either. On the hills -- I mean little
> >> hills -- it still struggles and gas mileage drops significantly to around
> >> 10-13mph. I am comfortable enough knowing that my Jeep can pull that
> >> thing
> >> for most anything I want to do, barely. I have serious doubts that your
> >> 2.5L is up to the task beyond a few hundred miles in minimum traffic.
> >> When
> >> rigged and loaded right your Jeep will pull that trailer in a very stable
> >> manner. I'm convinced though, that you won't be pleased with the 2.5L
> >> performance and may even become discussed with the outcome.
> >> Bottomline --
> >> go for it and if your disappointed, well all I can say is either live
> >> with
> >> your decision or get a vehicle more suitable to your desires.
> >>
> >> v/r
> >> Scott
> >> 91YJ w/fixins
> >>
> >> "Gene Pool" <Aladdin53@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >> news:18069-42A8A56A-191@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net...
> >> >I am sorry for the confusion most of it brought on by my vauge post. I
> >> > am wondering if a 99 TJ 4-cyl 5 speed 2.5 would pull a pop-up camper?
> >> > I
> >> > am in the midwest and have no plans to go thru the mountains or
> >> > anything
> >> > like that. Mostly Interstate traveling and occasionally rolling hills.
> >> > Thank you all for your responses. If I read the owners manuel right I
> >> > am
> >> > OK up to 2000 lbs.
> >> >