POLL: Transmissions - Wranglers
03-28-2006, 06:40 PM
#361
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
backup spring.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
> Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>
> The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
> throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>
> The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
> throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
> a little harder to find.
>
> Jerry
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>
>>>Hi Matt,
>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>should
>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>It's
>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>stupid
>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>it
>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
backup spring.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
> Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>
> The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
> throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>
> The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
> throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
> a little harder to find.
>
> Jerry
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>
>>>Hi Matt,
>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>should
>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>It's
>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>stupid
>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>it
>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-28-2006, 06:57 PM
#362
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
Matt, you can barely see the main spring so if they're seeing a spring,
it's the backup spring.
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
> backup spring.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>
>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>
>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>
>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>a little harder to find.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>
>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>should
>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>It's
>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>stupid
>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>it
>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
it's the backup spring.
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
> backup spring.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>
>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>
>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>
>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>a little harder to find.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>
>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>should
>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>It's
>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>stupid
>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>it
>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-28-2006, 06:57 PM
#363
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
Matt, you can barely see the main spring so if they're seeing a spring,
it's the backup spring.
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
> backup spring.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>
>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>
>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>
>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>a little harder to find.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>
>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>should
>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>It's
>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>stupid
>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>it
>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
it's the backup spring.
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
> backup spring.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>
>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>
>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>
>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>a little harder to find.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>
>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>should
>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>It's
>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>stupid
>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>it
>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-28-2006, 06:57 PM
#364
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
Matt, you can barely see the main spring so if they're seeing a spring,
it's the backup spring.
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
> backup spring.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>
>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>
>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>
>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>a little harder to find.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>
>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>should
>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>It's
>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>stupid
>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>it
>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
it's the backup spring.
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
> backup spring.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>
>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>
>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>
>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>a little harder to find.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>
>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>should
>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>It's
>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>stupid
>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>it
>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-28-2006, 07:42 PM
#365
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
I agree, but it was the backup spring that was missing from my TJL and one
of the other posters mentioned he looked at several new TJ's on a dealer's
lot and the backup springs were not included on them either. Without that
backup spring the pedal can get very sensitive and harder to control.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:f3kWf.14478$6a1.9815@fed1read04...
> Matt, you can barely see the main spring so if they're seeing a spring,
> it's the backup spring.
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
>> backup spring.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>>
>>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>>
>>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>>a little harder to find.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>>
>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>>stupid
>>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
of the other posters mentioned he looked at several new TJ's on a dealer's
lot and the backup springs were not included on them either. Without that
backup spring the pedal can get very sensitive and harder to control.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:f3kWf.14478$6a1.9815@fed1read04...
> Matt, you can barely see the main spring so if they're seeing a spring,
> it's the backup spring.
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
>> backup spring.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>>
>>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>>
>>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>>a little harder to find.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>>
>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>>stupid
>>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-28-2006, 07:42 PM
#366
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
I agree, but it was the backup spring that was missing from my TJL and one
of the other posters mentioned he looked at several new TJ's on a dealer's
lot and the backup springs were not included on them either. Without that
backup spring the pedal can get very sensitive and harder to control.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:f3kWf.14478$6a1.9815@fed1read04...
> Matt, you can barely see the main spring so if they're seeing a spring,
> it's the backup spring.
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
>> backup spring.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>>
>>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>>
>>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>>a little harder to find.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>>
>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>>stupid
>>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
of the other posters mentioned he looked at several new TJ's on a dealer's
lot and the backup springs were not included on them either. Without that
backup spring the pedal can get very sensitive and harder to control.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:f3kWf.14478$6a1.9815@fed1read04...
> Matt, you can barely see the main spring so if they're seeing a spring,
> it's the backup spring.
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
>> backup spring.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>>
>>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>>
>>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>>a little harder to find.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>>
>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>>stupid
>>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-28-2006, 07:42 PM
#367
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
I agree, but it was the backup spring that was missing from my TJL and one
of the other posters mentioned he looked at several new TJ's on a dealer's
lot and the backup springs were not included on them either. Without that
backup spring the pedal can get very sensitive and harder to control.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:f3kWf.14478$6a1.9815@fed1read04...
> Matt, you can barely see the main spring so if they're seeing a spring,
> it's the backup spring.
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
>> backup spring.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>>
>>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>>
>>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>>a little harder to find.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>>
>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>>stupid
>>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
of the other posters mentioned he looked at several new TJ's on a dealer's
lot and the backup springs were not included on them either. Without that
backup spring the pedal can get very sensitive and harder to control.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:f3kWf.14478$6a1.9815@fed1read04...
> Matt, you can barely see the main spring so if they're seeing a spring,
> it's the backup spring.
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> There should be but it sounds like they may have stopped installing the
>> backup spring.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>>>
>>>The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
>>>throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>>>
>>>The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
>>>throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that is
>>>a little harder to find.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
>>>>
>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Matt,
>>>>> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
>>>>>valve covers would be stripped:
>>>>>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
>>>>>expect only girlies can afford one.
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
>>>>>>stupid
>>>>>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-28-2006, 08:48 PM
#368
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
Jerry:
I looked at 5 new 2006 Wranglers on the dealer's lot and none had the
second, backup spring. My '06 Rubi does not have one.
I checked with my dealer parts department, and the '06 do not use a backup
spring. I asked the parts guy to check for a spring on an '04, and his specs
showed one, so I ordered it for my '06 Rubi.
Part number is: 52078102-AB. $4.85 list price. He had to order it for me,
and it is due in Wednesday.
Hopefully, this will fix my overly sensitive throttle problem at low speed,
over bumps.
Tom
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
> Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>
> The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
> throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>
> The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
> throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that
> is a little harder to find.
>
> Jerry
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
> >
> >>Hi Matt,
> >> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
> >>valve covers would be stripped:
> >>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
> >>expect only girlies can afford one.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
> >>>should
> >>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
> >>>It's
> >>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
> >>>stupid
> >>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
it
> >>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
I looked at 5 new 2006 Wranglers on the dealer's lot and none had the
second, backup spring. My '06 Rubi does not have one.
I checked with my dealer parts department, and the '06 do not use a backup
spring. I asked the parts guy to check for a spring on an '04, and his specs
showed one, so I ordered it for my '06 Rubi.
Part number is: 52078102-AB. $4.85 list price. He had to order it for me,
and it is due in Wednesday.
Hopefully, this will fix my overly sensitive throttle problem at low speed,
over bumps.
Tom
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
> Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>
> The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
> throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>
> The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
> throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that
> is a little harder to find.
>
> Jerry
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
> >
> >>Hi Matt,
> >> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
> >>valve covers would be stripped:
> >>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
> >>expect only girlies can afford one.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
> >>>should
> >>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
> >>>It's
> >>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
> >>>stupid
> >>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
it
> >>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-28-2006, 08:48 PM
#369
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
Jerry:
I looked at 5 new 2006 Wranglers on the dealer's lot and none had the
second, backup spring. My '06 Rubi does not have one.
I checked with my dealer parts department, and the '06 do not use a backup
spring. I asked the parts guy to check for a spring on an '04, and his specs
showed one, so I ordered it for my '06 Rubi.
Part number is: 52078102-AB. $4.85 list price. He had to order it for me,
and it is due in Wednesday.
Hopefully, this will fix my overly sensitive throttle problem at low speed,
over bumps.
Tom
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
> Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>
> The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
> throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>
> The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
> throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that
> is a little harder to find.
>
> Jerry
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
> >
> >>Hi Matt,
> >> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
> >>valve covers would be stripped:
> >>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
> >>expect only girlies can afford one.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
> >>>should
> >>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
> >>>It's
> >>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
> >>>stupid
> >>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
it
> >>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
I looked at 5 new 2006 Wranglers on the dealer's lot and none had the
second, backup spring. My '06 Rubi does not have one.
I checked with my dealer parts department, and the '06 do not use a backup
spring. I asked the parts guy to check for a spring on an '04, and his specs
showed one, so I ordered it for my '06 Rubi.
Part number is: 52078102-AB. $4.85 list price. He had to order it for me,
and it is due in Wednesday.
Hopefully, this will fix my overly sensitive throttle problem at low speed,
over bumps.
Tom
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
> Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>
> The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
> throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>
> The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
> throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that
> is a little harder to find.
>
> Jerry
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
> >
> >>Hi Matt,
> >> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
> >>valve covers would be stripped:
> >>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
> >>expect only girlies can afford one.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
> >>>should
> >>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
> >>>It's
> >>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
> >>>stupid
> >>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
it
> >>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-28-2006, 08:48 PM
#370
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
Jerry:
I looked at 5 new 2006 Wranglers on the dealer's lot and none had the
second, backup spring. My '06 Rubi does not have one.
I checked with my dealer parts department, and the '06 do not use a backup
spring. I asked the parts guy to check for a spring on an '04, and his specs
showed one, so I ordered it for my '06 Rubi.
Part number is: 52078102-AB. $4.85 list price. He had to order it for me,
and it is due in Wednesday.
Hopefully, this will fix my overly sensitive throttle problem at low speed,
over bumps.
Tom
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
> Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>
> The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
> throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>
> The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
> throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that
> is a little harder to find.
>
> Jerry
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
> >
> >>Hi Matt,
> >> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
> >>valve covers would be stripped:
> >>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
> >>expect only girlies can afford one.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
> >>>should
> >>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
> >>>It's
> >>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
> >>>stupid
> >>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
it
> >>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
I looked at 5 new 2006 Wranglers on the dealer's lot and none had the
second, backup spring. My '06 Rubi does not have one.
I checked with my dealer parts department, and the '06 do not use a backup
spring. I asked the parts guy to check for a spring on an '04, and his specs
showed one, so I ordered it for my '06 Rubi.
Part number is: 52078102-AB. $4.85 list price. He had to order it for me,
and it is due in Wednesday.
Hopefully, this will fix my overly sensitive throttle problem at low speed,
over bumps.
Tom
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:BMhWf.14456$6a1.13307@fed1read04...
> Guys, there are indeed two throttle return springs on all TJs.
>
> The first is the obvious spring that you can see between the bracket and
> throttle linkage. That is actually the backup spring.
>
> The primary throttle return spring that you aren't seeing is on the
> throttle body itself. It's a heavy clockspring behind the linkage that
> is a little harder to find.
>
> Jerry
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > I think it would be kinda cool if they really were see-through....
> >
> > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44288280.A8AA893C@***.net...
> >
> >>Hi Matt,
> >> Talk about stupid covers, If I owned a Vette these plastic valve,
> >>valve covers would be stripped:
> >>http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/c...606_engine.jpg They must
> >>expect only girlies can afford one.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>>That's the product of 5 winters' worth of Michigan salted roads...you
> >>>should
> >>>see the undercarriage. I'm not looking forward to changing the shocks.
> >>>It's
> >>>pretty dirty too, I need to do my annual engine washdown. I took the
> >>>stupid
> >>>plastic cover off the throttle body for that pic and saw how much dirt
it
> >>>collected underneath, it's not going back on.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/