Plain cast rings bad?
02-28-2004, 11:54 PM
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Re: Plain cast rings bad?
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:13:06 UTC "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
> If you want to get real fancy (be prepared to pay for them), you can go with
> the gapless second rings that Total Seal and Childs & Albert make. These
> rings eliminate the ring end gap on the second compression ring to reduce
> blowby. They are good for a few horses, but like I said, they are pricey.
> The biggest advantage to them is that as the bores wear the ring end gaps
> get larger which increases blowby. the gapless rings will remain gapless
> even as the engine wears.
Now this caught my attention. Coud you describe how these 'gapless'
rings work? I can only imagine a tapered overlap instead of a flush
end where you would normally have a gap. Other than that, looks like
getting one on would be problematic, to say the least.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> If you want to get real fancy (be prepared to pay for them), you can go with
> the gapless second rings that Total Seal and Childs & Albert make. These
> rings eliminate the ring end gap on the second compression ring to reduce
> blowby. They are good for a few horses, but like I said, they are pricey.
> The biggest advantage to them is that as the bores wear the ring end gaps
> get larger which increases blowby. the gapless rings will remain gapless
> even as the engine wears.
Now this caught my attention. Coud you describe how these 'gapless'
rings work? I can only imagine a tapered overlap instead of a flush
end where you would normally have a gap. Other than that, looks like
getting one on would be problematic, to say the least.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
02-28-2004, 11:54 PM
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Re: Plain cast rings bad?
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:13:06 UTC "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
> If you want to get real fancy (be prepared to pay for them), you can go with
> the gapless second rings that Total Seal and Childs & Albert make. These
> rings eliminate the ring end gap on the second compression ring to reduce
> blowby. They are good for a few horses, but like I said, they are pricey.
> The biggest advantage to them is that as the bores wear the ring end gaps
> get larger which increases blowby. the gapless rings will remain gapless
> even as the engine wears.
Now this caught my attention. Coud you describe how these 'gapless'
rings work? I can only imagine a tapered overlap instead of a flush
end where you would normally have a gap. Other than that, looks like
getting one on would be problematic, to say the least.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> If you want to get real fancy (be prepared to pay for them), you can go with
> the gapless second rings that Total Seal and Childs & Albert make. These
> rings eliminate the ring end gap on the second compression ring to reduce
> blowby. They are good for a few horses, but like I said, they are pricey.
> The biggest advantage to them is that as the bores wear the ring end gaps
> get larger which increases blowby. the gapless rings will remain gapless
> even as the engine wears.
Now this caught my attention. Coud you describe how these 'gapless'
rings work? I can only imagine a tapered overlap instead of a flush
end where you would normally have a gap. Other than that, looks like
getting one on would be problematic, to say the least.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
02-28-2004, 11:54 PM
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Re: Plain cast rings bad?
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:13:06 UTC "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
> If you want to get real fancy (be prepared to pay for them), you can go with
> the gapless second rings that Total Seal and Childs & Albert make. These
> rings eliminate the ring end gap on the second compression ring to reduce
> blowby. They are good for a few horses, but like I said, they are pricey.
> The biggest advantage to them is that as the bores wear the ring end gaps
> get larger which increases blowby. the gapless rings will remain gapless
> even as the engine wears.
Now this caught my attention. Coud you describe how these 'gapless'
rings work? I can only imagine a tapered overlap instead of a flush
end where you would normally have a gap. Other than that, looks like
getting one on would be problematic, to say the least.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> If you want to get real fancy (be prepared to pay for them), you can go with
> the gapless second rings that Total Seal and Childs & Albert make. These
> rings eliminate the ring end gap on the second compression ring to reduce
> blowby. They are good for a few horses, but like I said, they are pricey.
> The biggest advantage to them is that as the bores wear the ring end gaps
> get larger which increases blowby. the gapless rings will remain gapless
> even as the engine wears.
Now this caught my attention. Coud you describe how these 'gapless'
rings work? I can only imagine a tapered overlap instead of a flush
end where you would normally have a gap. Other than that, looks like
getting one on would be problematic, to say the least.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
02-29-2004, 12:15 AM
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Re: Plain cast rings bad?
"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:13:06 UTC "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
> > If you want to get real fancy (be prepared to pay for them), you can go
with
> > the gapless second rings that Total Seal and Childs & Albert make. These
> > rings eliminate the ring end gap on the second compression ring to
reduce
> > blowby. They are good for a few horses, but like I said, they are
pricey.
> > The biggest advantage to them is that as the bores wear the ring end
gaps
> > get larger which increases blowby. the gapless rings will remain gapless
> > even as the engine wears.
>
> Now this caught my attention. Coud you describe how these 'gapless'
> rings work? I can only imagine a tapered overlap instead of a flush
> end where you would normally have a gap. Other than that, looks like
> getting one on would be problematic, to say the least.
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
There are two different designs. One uses 2 rings in the groove (Total
Seal), and the other uses a stepped end on the ring. The Total seal uses
compression pressure to help seal the ring as well. I've used both and they
both work good. Total Seal has a street type ring that works great for
anything but all out racing. The racing version has a low tension oil ring
and a different type of coating on the compression rings.
Total Seal:
http://www.totalseal.com/gaplesss.html
Childs & Albert:
http://www.hotrod.com/hotrod/techart...mage_large.jpg
Here's a good article on ring technology: This is based on the C&A rings.
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/43309/index.html
Chris
02-29-2004, 12:15 AM
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Re: Plain cast rings bad?
"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:13:06 UTC "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
> > If you want to get real fancy (be prepared to pay for them), you can go
with
> > the gapless second rings that Total Seal and Childs & Albert make. These
> > rings eliminate the ring end gap on the second compression ring to
reduce
> > blowby. They are good for a few horses, but like I said, they are
pricey.
> > The biggest advantage to them is that as the bores wear the ring end
gaps
> > get larger which increases blowby. the gapless rings will remain gapless
> > even as the engine wears.
>
> Now this caught my attention. Coud you describe how these 'gapless'
> rings work? I can only imagine a tapered overlap instead of a flush
> end where you would normally have a gap. Other than that, looks like
> getting one on would be problematic, to say the least.
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
There are two different designs. One uses 2 rings in the groove (Total
Seal), and the other uses a stepped end on the ring. The Total seal uses
compression pressure to help seal the ring as well. I've used both and they
both work good. Total Seal has a street type ring that works great for
anything but all out racing. The racing version has a low tension oil ring
and a different type of coating on the compression rings.
Total Seal:
http://www.totalseal.com/gaplesss.html
Childs & Albert:
http://www.hotrod.com/hotrod/techart...mage_large.jpg
Here's a good article on ring technology: This is based on the C&A rings.
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/43309/index.html
Chris
02-29-2004, 12:15 AM
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Re: Plain cast rings bad?
"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:13:06 UTC "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
> > If you want to get real fancy (be prepared to pay for them), you can go
with
> > the gapless second rings that Total Seal and Childs & Albert make. These
> > rings eliminate the ring end gap on the second compression ring to
reduce
> > blowby. They are good for a few horses, but like I said, they are
pricey.
> > The biggest advantage to them is that as the bores wear the ring end
gaps
> > get larger which increases blowby. the gapless rings will remain gapless
> > even as the engine wears.
>
> Now this caught my attention. Coud you describe how these 'gapless'
> rings work? I can only imagine a tapered overlap instead of a flush
> end where you would normally have a gap. Other than that, looks like
> getting one on would be problematic, to say the least.
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
There are two different designs. One uses 2 rings in the groove (Total
Seal), and the other uses a stepped end on the ring. The Total seal uses
compression pressure to help seal the ring as well. I've used both and they
both work good. Total Seal has a street type ring that works great for
anything but all out racing. The racing version has a low tension oil ring
and a different type of coating on the compression rings.
Total Seal:
http://www.totalseal.com/gaplesss.html
Childs & Albert:
http://www.hotrod.com/hotrod/techart...mage_large.jpg
Here's a good article on ring technology: This is based on the C&A rings.
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/43309/index.html
Chris
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