TJim

That's right! "It's not the car-jackers fault, someone stole their trike
when they were 3..."
Sheesh!

Thinks to self... "Let's see... remote control... trigger alarm... shut off
fuel pump... deploy both airbags..." I see a market for this!!

--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98


"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:p_Zbb.13312$Af4.11623@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F6FBD87.2B045EFF@***.net...
> > The car jackings have stopped in Florid with the right to carry
> > permits.
>
> .......yet the liberals still wont get it.
>
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
>

Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/22/03 20:06, Scooby Don't uttered for posterity:

> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:35:19 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
>>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:eklumv8a1mjsspc6or65cinmdjlhjofhue@4ax.com. ..
>>> Well Hell I'd rather deal with Snow than Hurricanes anyday. :)
>>
>>wasnt the hurricane that did it. 'twas another run-in with a crack head.
>
> Use up much ammunition? :)
> This is why I think Florida sucks. My sister lives down there and car
> jackings are like nothing down there. They happen all the time.
> Screw that. I think in Montana you are allowed to carry a gun as long
> as it's holstered.

Except in a bar, a courtroom, or if memory serves, a bank. Not
sure about church or funeral home. You really don't see them on
the street that much any more. Back in the '50s it wasn't that
unusual to see a rancher walking around in downtown Kalispell with
one or two holstered guns...but mostly due to forgetting to
lock them up and just leave the holsters. Nobody really paid
any attention, even the police. In other words it also wasn't
something you saw every day either. Out away from town, far
more normal to have a holstered gun when working away from the
house on a ranch.

Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/22/03 20:06, Scooby Don't uttered for posterity:

> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:35:19 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
>>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:eklumv8a1mjsspc6or65cinmdjlhjofhue@4ax.com. ..
>>> Well Hell I'd rather deal with Snow than Hurricanes anyday. :)
>>
>>wasnt the hurricane that did it. 'twas another run-in with a crack head.
>
> Use up much ammunition? :)
> This is why I think Florida sucks. My sister lives down there and car
> jackings are like nothing down there. They happen all the time.
> Screw that. I think in Montana you are allowed to carry a gun as long
> as it's holstered.

Except in a bar, a courtroom, or if memory serves, a bank. Not
sure about church or funeral home. You really don't see them on
the street that much any more. Back in the '50s it wasn't that
unusual to see a rancher walking around in downtown Kalispell with
one or two holstered guns...but mostly due to forgetting to
lock them up and just leave the holsters. Nobody really paid
any attention, even the police. In other words it also wasn't
something you saw every day either. Out away from town, far
more normal to have a holstered gun when working away from the
house on a ranch.

Lon Stowell

I honestly can't answer that, but if some lowlife is
threatening my passengers and I am in a vehicle with
a running engine and a bit of room to maneouver, I'd
be very likely to see how fleetfooted they are, at
least up to the point of rendering them a bit less of
a threat almost by instinct. But then I was raised in
a rural culture with the rule "first remove the threat, then
sit down and discuss your cultural deprivation..."

Approximately 9/23/03 07:49, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:

> Would you have ran, rather than take his life?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Scooby Don't wrote:
>>
>> No my sister is a consumate firearms hater. But she booted it after
>> being hit and ran a redlight and headed for the cop station.
>> She was lucky many aren't.

Lon Stowell

I honestly can't answer that, but if some lowlife is
threatening my passengers and I am in a vehicle with
a running engine and a bit of room to maneouver, I'd
be very likely to see how fleetfooted they are, at
least up to the point of rendering them a bit less of
a threat almost by instinct. But then I was raised in
a rural culture with the rule "first remove the threat, then
sit down and discuss your cultural deprivation..."

Approximately 9/23/03 07:49, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:

> Would you have ran, rather than take his life?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Scooby Don't wrote:
>>
>> No my sister is a consumate firearms hater. But she booted it after
>> being hit and ran a redlight and headed for the cop station.
>> She was lucky many aren't.

Scooby Don't

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:47:59 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:f5dvmv8vgluoje3iesqt21brd7cj6hqdeb@4ax.com.. .
>> I looked at the Rhino and still am looking at it but I always ride
>> alone so the issue is more what can my back handle rather than how
>> much performance it has.
>
>a rhino or ranger are definately for you then. any side by side with a back
>rest is going to be easier on your back. if you ever spend 12+ hours on an
>atv trail riding when you try to get off it you end up walking like
>quasimodo for awhile.

Maybe, but I end up walking like Quasimodo after 2-3 minutes of
standing or walking as it is and I mean intense pain.
Too bad I can't really get out ad try what I want to buy for a day or
more by renting. I'll probably rent a Sled for a couple of days this
winter. Hopefully we will have some snow.

>> I have a built in fear factor.
>
>i need to pick one up somewhere along the way. instead of a fear factor i
>was born with an extra dose of stupid. age has helped some though so maybe
>theres hope for me. :-)

I used to really get duffed in the pits, which is pretty much all we
had around here until the ****'s that run the towns and cities,
decided that they need to close off all the Pits and make riding in
them illegal in a big way. They even shut off an entire street that
the Pits were on just to keep people out. The neighbors used to call
the cops for every ATV, Jeep or truck they saw in the Sand Pit.
That's why I hate it around here. Every place to ride is illegal.
Riding alone also conditions you to think if I get hurt bad I'm
screwed. I almost always ran alone because of the shifts I worked back
then. No cops during the weekday at all.

>i agree......sad part is though, ive heard them blaming the atv when it
>boils down to lack of parental supervision. when a kid is 15-16 they dont
>need supervision anymore but any younger than that has no business on an atv
>UNSUPERVISED. my kids ride, riding is a big part of our family recreation,
>but id never let them venture out alone. while the driver should share the
>blame (stupid bitch did cross the line and hit them), the kids should have
>never been there to start with.

I used to see parents bring the ATV's to the sand pits and all ride
together. But then the cops would come and harrass everyone for
trespassing.
The peopel who owned the pits really didn't care as I talked to one of
the owners sons But the insurance liability if they condoned it could
bankrupt them.
I left my kids ride ATV's when at their friends house but when I went
to pick them up I saw no helmets on and them doing jumps and the like
with berms they'd made. I was pissed. They had helmets but they said
it's too hot to wear them. When I told the kid's dad who owned the ATV
he was 10 times more pissed than I was. But still he was in the house
watching TV and having a beer.

This accident was tragic and even if they were just walking on teh
side of teh road it would still be tragic. But I remember back in the
'70's when I had a Firestone tire that was defective blow out on my
rght front. It pulled that wagon all the way over from the 3rd lane to
the first lane in seconds. Then into the ditch and fortunately I was
ok. But if anyone had been there......
The tire was clearly defective I haven't used Firestones since then.
Ever have a ball joint let go on you? Same type of thing.
Accidents can happen and kids on ATV's shouldn't be out where they are
likely to happen. A car takes a long time to stop from 55+ mph.
I haven't heard it she was drinking or if it was a mechanical failure.
but I'm certain the parents will not shoulder any of the blame for
allowing their kids to be out there in the first place.

Scooby Don't

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:47:59 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:f5dvmv8vgluoje3iesqt21brd7cj6hqdeb@4ax.com.. .
>> I looked at the Rhino and still am looking at it but I always ride
>> alone so the issue is more what can my back handle rather than how
>> much performance it has.
>
>a rhino or ranger are definately for you then. any side by side with a back
>rest is going to be easier on your back. if you ever spend 12+ hours on an
>atv trail riding when you try to get off it you end up walking like
>quasimodo for awhile.

Maybe, but I end up walking like Quasimodo after 2-3 minutes of
standing or walking as it is and I mean intense pain.
Too bad I can't really get out ad try what I want to buy for a day or
more by renting. I'll probably rent a Sled for a couple of days this
winter. Hopefully we will have some snow.

>> I have a built in fear factor.
>
>i need to pick one up somewhere along the way. instead of a fear factor i
>was born with an extra dose of stupid. age has helped some though so maybe
>theres hope for me. :-)

I used to really get duffed in the pits, which is pretty much all we
had around here until the ****'s that run the towns and cities,
decided that they need to close off all the Pits and make riding in
them illegal in a big way. They even shut off an entire street that
the Pits were on just to keep people out. The neighbors used to call
the cops for every ATV, Jeep or truck they saw in the Sand Pit.
That's why I hate it around here. Every place to ride is illegal.
Riding alone also conditions you to think if I get hurt bad I'm
screwed. I almost always ran alone because of the shifts I worked back
then. No cops during the weekday at all.

>i agree......sad part is though, ive heard them blaming the atv when it
>boils down to lack of parental supervision. when a kid is 15-16 they dont
>need supervision anymore but any younger than that has no business on an atv
>UNSUPERVISED. my kids ride, riding is a big part of our family recreation,
>but id never let them venture out alone. while the driver should share the
>blame (stupid bitch did cross the line and hit them), the kids should have
>never been there to start with.

I used to see parents bring the ATV's to the sand pits and all ride
together. But then the cops would come and harrass everyone for
trespassing.
The peopel who owned the pits really didn't care as I talked to one of
the owners sons But the insurance liability if they condoned it could
bankrupt them.
I left my kids ride ATV's when at their friends house but when I went
to pick them up I saw no helmets on and them doing jumps and the like
with berms they'd made. I was pissed. They had helmets but they said
it's too hot to wear them. When I told the kid's dad who owned the ATV
he was 10 times more pissed than I was. But still he was in the house
watching TV and having a beer.

This accident was tragic and even if they were just walking on teh
side of teh road it would still be tragic. But I remember back in the
'70's when I had a Firestone tire that was defective blow out on my
rght front. It pulled that wagon all the way over from the 3rd lane to
the first lane in seconds. Then into the ditch and fortunately I was
ok. But if anyone had been there......
The tire was clearly defective I haven't used Firestones since then.
Ever have a ball joint let go on you? Same type of thing.
Accidents can happen and kids on ATV's shouldn't be out where they are
likely to happen. A car takes a long time to stop from 55+ mph.
I haven't heard it she was drinking or if it was a mechanical failure.
but I'm certain the parents will not shoulder any of the blame for
allowing their kids to be out there in the first place.

Scooby Don't

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:50:59 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:j3evmvgpk5k3qakbcnsak6irvm5mvl46hq@4ax.com.. .
>> Use up much ammunition? :)
>
>luckily no, but ive been forced to change the way i live and that pisses me
>off. prior to, my 2 year old used to lay down in the living room watching
>her wiggles tapes until she fell asleep. now im afraid to leave her in
>there alone. im in the process now of getting ready to go to lowes to get a
>new door and frame. the existing glass back door just wont do anymore, even
>though i know im moving soon. i was supposed to do it yesterday but heavy
>rain prevented me from ripping out a door frame.

Not safe even in the living room with the door locked?
Yeah, I'd move! That's really bad.
But unless you get a couple of big Dogs what can you do.

>> I think in Montana you are allowed to carry a gun as long
>> as it's holstered.
>
>there is no such thing in montana as a concealed weapon unless it is on your
>person. under the seat, glove box, its all ok. they also have ccw though
>so it wont be an issue at all after ive lived there 6 months, and i think
>they honor nc ccw anyway.

I haven't had a license since I've lived in Mass but I had one in NH.
The laws in Mass suck and the gun clubs are all filled up. Plus being
on the Border of 2 States poses other sorts of problems.
I have the option of moving soon and I'm looking. By June of next year
I should have made up m mind.

Scooby Don't

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:50:59 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:j3evmvgpk5k3qakbcnsak6irvm5mvl46hq@4ax.com.. .
>> Use up much ammunition? :)
>
>luckily no, but ive been forced to change the way i live and that pisses me
>off. prior to, my 2 year old used to lay down in the living room watching
>her wiggles tapes until she fell asleep. now im afraid to leave her in
>there alone. im in the process now of getting ready to go to lowes to get a
>new door and frame. the existing glass back door just wont do anymore, even
>though i know im moving soon. i was supposed to do it yesterday but heavy
>rain prevented me from ripping out a door frame.

Not safe even in the living room with the door locked?
Yeah, I'd move! That's really bad.
But unless you get a couple of big Dogs what can you do.

>> I think in Montana you are allowed to carry a gun as long
>> as it's holstered.
>
>there is no such thing in montana as a concealed weapon unless it is on your
>person. under the seat, glove box, its all ok. they also have ccw though
>so it wont be an issue at all after ive lived there 6 months, and i think
>they honor nc ccw anyway.

I haven't had a license since I've lived in Mass but I had one in NH.
The laws in Mass suck and the gun clubs are all filled up. Plus being
on the Border of 2 States poses other sorts of problems.
I have the option of moving soon and I'm looking. By June of next year
I should have made up m mind.

Scooby Don't

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:39:43 GMT, Lon Stowell
<Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote:

>Approximately 9/22/03 20:06, Scooby Don't uttered for posterity:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:35:19 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
>> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:eklumv8a1mjsspc6or65cinmdjlhjofhue@4ax.com ...
>>>> Well Hell I'd rather deal with Snow than Hurricanes anyday. :)
>>>
>>>wasnt the hurricane that did it. 'twas another run-in with a crack head.
>>
>> Use up much ammunition? :)
>> This is why I think Florida sucks. My sister lives down there and car
>> jackings are like nothing down there. They happen all the time.
>> Screw that. I think in Montana you are allowed to carry a gun as long
>> as it's holstered.
>
> Except in a bar, a courtroom, or if memory serves, a bank. Not
> sure about church or funeral home. You really don't see them on
> the street that much any more. Back in the '50s it wasn't that
> unusual to see a rancher walking around in downtown Kalispell with
> one or two holstered guns...but mostly due to forgetting to
> lock them up and just leave the holsters. Nobody really paid
> any attention, even the police. In other words it also wasn't
> something you saw every day either. Out away from town, far
> more normal to have a holstered gun when working away from the
> house on a ranch.

You are correct as far as I know. I think a Church would depend and I
know for a solid fact you cannot wear one into a US Post Office or any
Federal building. I don't know about State buildings but that could
vary from State to State.
I'd probably carry if I was out riding ATV or a Sled specially in the
Boonies.
But unless the town was really wild I'd leave them at home. You can't
leave them in the truck IIRC.