bllsht

So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
Wow. You're good.


On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
>
>
>
>
>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.com. ..
>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
>>
>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
>>> thing
>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
>>>
>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug wires
>> or
>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I certainly
>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
>>> especially
>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when they
>>> are
>>> not feeling well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
>>> >
>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road for
>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less than
>> one
>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
>>> > everything
>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire way.
>>> > Fuel
>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
>>> >
>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
>>> > misfire.
>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed and
>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
>>> >
>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I can get
>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose. Then
>> drain
>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
>> water.
>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the right
>>> > mixture?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Carl
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>

Jeff Strickland

Yes. What would you deduce from a P0303 code?

HINT
The code means the #3 plug is not firing properly, which by definition is a
spark issue.





"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
news:c48hm2hv5ver6p6golf49qrpbsvnspqbp9@4ax.com...
> So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
> Wow. You're good.
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.com ...
>>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
>>>
>>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
>>>> thing
>>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
>>>>
>>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug
>>>> wires
>>> or
>>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I certainly
>>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
>>>> especially
>>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when they
>>>> are
>>>> not feeling well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
>>>> >
>>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road for
>>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less than
>>> one
>>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
>>>> > everything
>>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire way.
>>>> > Fuel
>>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
>>>> >
>>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
>>>> > misfire.
>>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed and
>>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
>>>> >
>>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I can
>>>> > get
>>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose. Then
>>> drain
>>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
>>> water.
>>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the
>>>> > right
>>>> > mixture?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Carl
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>

Jeff Strickland

Yes. What would you deduce from a P0303 code?

HINT
The code means the #3 plug is not firing properly, which by definition is a
spark issue.





"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
news:c48hm2hv5ver6p6golf49qrpbsvnspqbp9@4ax.com...
> So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
> Wow. You're good.
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.com ...
>>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
>>>
>>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
>>>> thing
>>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
>>>>
>>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug
>>>> wires
>>> or
>>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I certainly
>>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
>>>> especially
>>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when they
>>>> are
>>>> not feeling well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
>>>> >
>>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road for
>>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less than
>>> one
>>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
>>>> > everything
>>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire way.
>>>> > Fuel
>>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
>>>> >
>>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
>>>> > misfire.
>>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed and
>>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
>>>> >
>>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I can
>>>> > get
>>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose. Then
>>> drain
>>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
>>> water.
>>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the
>>>> > right
>>>> > mixture?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Carl
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>

Jeff Strickland

Yes. What would you deduce from a P0303 code?

HINT
The code means the #3 plug is not firing properly, which by definition is a
spark issue.





"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
news:c48hm2hv5ver6p6golf49qrpbsvnspqbp9@4ax.com...
> So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
> Wow. You're good.
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.com ...
>>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
>>>
>>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
>>>> thing
>>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
>>>>
>>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug
>>>> wires
>>> or
>>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I certainly
>>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
>>>> especially
>>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when they
>>>> are
>>>> not feeling well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
>>>> >
>>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road for
>>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less than
>>> one
>>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
>>>> > everything
>>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire way.
>>>> > Fuel
>>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
>>>> >
>>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
>>>> > misfire.
>>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed and
>>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
>>>> >
>>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I can
>>>> > get
>>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose. Then
>>> drain
>>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
>>> water.
>>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the
>>>> > right
>>>> > mixture?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Carl
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>

Carl

Thanks for the responses, guys. I cleared the code last night and drove
about 20 miles, it hasn't since returned. I'll change the plug today anyway.
There are no plug wires on a 2k. Instead, there is a coil rail with three
coil packs. The P0303 and the coolant are completely unrelated issues, I
just posted in one post to keep the clutter down.

My research has shown that the P0303 problem is known to be a heat soak
issue with injector #3. Apparently, sometimes the heat from the exhaust
manifold will creep up to injector #3 on a hot shutdown, causing a misfire.
The fix is an insulating wrap around injector #3.

The coolant in the radiator right now is brown. I assume someone drained the
radiator and re-filled it with standard coolant. That's why I want to flush
the system. I read that there is a 7-hour flush. Apparently I just add it to
the radiator (after draining a small amount, of course), and it cleans the
system during a seven-hour drive. I'll be driving back over to Seattle next
weekend (a five hour drive) and I plan to change the coolant while I'm
there. Am I barking up the right tree here?

I have seen positive results with using water wetter in an all ready good
cooling system. I would not expect to see results using a it in a clogged,
contaminated, or otherwise maulfuntioning system. Per reccomendation here, I
will not add it to the XJ. Just curious why they say not to use it?





"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:RumdndEuPqiUPvXYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Yes. What would you deduce from a P0303 code?
>
> HINT
> The code means the #3 plug is not firing properly, which by definition is
> a spark issue.
>
>
>
>
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:c48hm2hv5ver6p6golf49qrpbsvnspqbp9@4ax.com...
>> So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
>> Wow. You're good.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>> <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
>>>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
>>>>> thing
>>>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug
>>>>> wires
>>>> or
>>>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I
>>>>> certainly
>>>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
>>>>> especially
>>>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when they
>>>>> are
>>>>> not feeling well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road
>>>>> > for
>>>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less
>>>>> > than
>>>> one
>>>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
>>>>> > everything
>>>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire way.
>>>>> > Fuel
>>>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
>>>>> > misfire.
>>>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed and
>>>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I can
>>>>> > get
>>>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose. Then
>>>> drain
>>>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
>>>> water.
>>>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the
>>>>> > right
>>>>> > mixture?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Carl
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>

Carl

Thanks for the responses, guys. I cleared the code last night and drove
about 20 miles, it hasn't since returned. I'll change the plug today anyway.
There are no plug wires on a 2k. Instead, there is a coil rail with three
coil packs. The P0303 and the coolant are completely unrelated issues, I
just posted in one post to keep the clutter down.

My research has shown that the P0303 problem is known to be a heat soak
issue with injector #3. Apparently, sometimes the heat from the exhaust
manifold will creep up to injector #3 on a hot shutdown, causing a misfire.
The fix is an insulating wrap around injector #3.

The coolant in the radiator right now is brown. I assume someone drained the
radiator and re-filled it with standard coolant. That's why I want to flush
the system. I read that there is a 7-hour flush. Apparently I just add it to
the radiator (after draining a small amount, of course), and it cleans the
system during a seven-hour drive. I'll be driving back over to Seattle next
weekend (a five hour drive) and I plan to change the coolant while I'm
there. Am I barking up the right tree here?

I have seen positive results with using water wetter in an all ready good
cooling system. I would not expect to see results using a it in a clogged,
contaminated, or otherwise maulfuntioning system. Per reccomendation here, I
will not add it to the XJ. Just curious why they say not to use it?





"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:RumdndEuPqiUPvXYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Yes. What would you deduce from a P0303 code?
>
> HINT
> The code means the #3 plug is not firing properly, which by definition is
> a spark issue.
>
>
>
>
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:c48hm2hv5ver6p6golf49qrpbsvnspqbp9@4ax.com...
>> So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
>> Wow. You're good.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>> <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
>>>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
>>>>> thing
>>>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug
>>>>> wires
>>>> or
>>>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I
>>>>> certainly
>>>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
>>>>> especially
>>>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when they
>>>>> are
>>>>> not feeling well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road
>>>>> > for
>>>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less
>>>>> > than
>>>> one
>>>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
>>>>> > everything
>>>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire way.
>>>>> > Fuel
>>>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
>>>>> > misfire.
>>>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed and
>>>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I can
>>>>> > get
>>>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose. Then
>>>> drain
>>>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
>>>> water.
>>>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the
>>>>> > right
>>>>> > mixture?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Carl
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>

Carl

Thanks for the responses, guys. I cleared the code last night and drove
about 20 miles, it hasn't since returned. I'll change the plug today anyway.
There are no plug wires on a 2k. Instead, there is a coil rail with three
coil packs. The P0303 and the coolant are completely unrelated issues, I
just posted in one post to keep the clutter down.

My research has shown that the P0303 problem is known to be a heat soak
issue with injector #3. Apparently, sometimes the heat from the exhaust
manifold will creep up to injector #3 on a hot shutdown, causing a misfire.
The fix is an insulating wrap around injector #3.

The coolant in the radiator right now is brown. I assume someone drained the
radiator and re-filled it with standard coolant. That's why I want to flush
the system. I read that there is a 7-hour flush. Apparently I just add it to
the radiator (after draining a small amount, of course), and it cleans the
system during a seven-hour drive. I'll be driving back over to Seattle next
weekend (a five hour drive) and I plan to change the coolant while I'm
there. Am I barking up the right tree here?

I have seen positive results with using water wetter in an all ready good
cooling system. I would not expect to see results using a it in a clogged,
contaminated, or otherwise maulfuntioning system. Per reccomendation here, I
will not add it to the XJ. Just curious why they say not to use it?





"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:RumdndEuPqiUPvXYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Yes. What would you deduce from a P0303 code?
>
> HINT
> The code means the #3 plug is not firing properly, which by definition is
> a spark issue.
>
>
>
>
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:c48hm2hv5ver6p6golf49qrpbsvnspqbp9@4ax.com...
>> So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
>> Wow. You're good.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>> <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
>>>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
>>>>> thing
>>>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug
>>>>> wires
>>>> or
>>>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I
>>>>> certainly
>>>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
>>>>> especially
>>>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when they
>>>>> are
>>>>> not feeling well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road
>>>>> > for
>>>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less
>>>>> > than
>>>> one
>>>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
>>>>> > everything
>>>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire way.
>>>>> > Fuel
>>>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
>>>>> > misfire.
>>>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed and
>>>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I can
>>>>> > get
>>>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose. Then
>>>> drain
>>>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
>>>> water.
>>>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the
>>>>> > right
>>>>> > mixture?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Carl
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>

Earle Horton

Brown coolant is undoubtedly bad, but it doesn't necessarily translate to
scale and sludge in the coolant chambers of the block or blocked radiator
tubes. I would flush the system with water, and only resort to a chemical
flush if big pieces came out. Otherwise, you can assume that most of it is
already in suspension. Another tell-tale is the bottom of the overflow
reservoir. Nasty pieces will tend to accumulate there because it doesn't
really have circulation. I am against flushing with chemicals unless you
have reason to believe that they are necessary, and then you have to take
extra care to rinse them all out afterwards.

When you say "positive results with using water wetter in an all ready good
cooling system" what do you mean exactly? Lower reading on the temperature
gauge? I don't get how you can tell, that this stuff is doing what they say
it does.

Earle

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:BtOdnSkUXY_bLPXYnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks for the responses, guys. I cleared the code last night and drove
> about 20 miles, it hasn't since returned. I'll change the plug today
anyway.
> There are no plug wires on a 2k. Instead, there is a coil rail with three
> coil packs. The P0303 and the coolant are completely unrelated issues, I
> just posted in one post to keep the clutter down.
>
> My research has shown that the P0303 problem is known to be a heat soak
> issue with injector #3. Apparently, sometimes the heat from the exhaust
> manifold will creep up to injector #3 on a hot shutdown, causing a
misfire.
> The fix is an insulating wrap around injector #3.
>
> The coolant in the radiator right now is brown. I assume someone drained
the
> radiator and re-filled it with standard coolant. That's why I want to
flush
> the system. I read that there is a 7-hour flush. Apparently I just add it
to
> the radiator (after draining a small amount, of course), and it cleans the
> system during a seven-hour drive. I'll be driving back over to Seattle
next
> weekend (a five hour drive) and I plan to change the coolant while I'm
> there. Am I barking up the right tree here?
>
> I have seen positive results with using water wetter in an all ready good
> cooling system. I would not expect to see results using a it in a clogged,
> contaminated, or otherwise maulfuntioning system. Per reccomendation here,
I
> will not add it to the XJ. Just curious why they say not to use it?
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:RumdndEuPqiUPvXYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> > Yes. What would you deduce from a P0303 code?
> >
> > HINT
> > The code means the #3 plug is not firing properly, which by definition
is
> > a spark issue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> > news:c48hm2hv5ver6p6golf49qrpbsvnspqbp9@4ax.com...
> >> So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
> >> Wow. You're good.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> >> <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
> >>>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
> >>>>
> >>>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Earle
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
> >>>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
> >>>>> thing
> >>>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug
> >>>>> wires
> >>>> or
> >>>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I
> >>>>> certainly
> >>>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
> >>>>> especially
> >>>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when
they
> >>>>> are
> >>>>> not feeling well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road
> >>>>> > for
> >>>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less
> >>>>> > than
> >>>> one
> >>>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
> >>>>> > everything
> >>>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire
way.
> >>>>> > Fuel
> >>>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
> >>>>> > misfire.
> >>>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed
and
> >>>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I
can
> >>>>> > get
> >>>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose.
Then
> >>>> drain
> >>>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
> >>>> water.
> >>>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the
> >>>>> > right
> >>>>> > mixture?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Thanks,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Carl
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >>>>
> >
>
>



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Earle Horton

Brown coolant is undoubtedly bad, but it doesn't necessarily translate to
scale and sludge in the coolant chambers of the block or blocked radiator
tubes. I would flush the system with water, and only resort to a chemical
flush if big pieces came out. Otherwise, you can assume that most of it is
already in suspension. Another tell-tale is the bottom of the overflow
reservoir. Nasty pieces will tend to accumulate there because it doesn't
really have circulation. I am against flushing with chemicals unless you
have reason to believe that they are necessary, and then you have to take
extra care to rinse them all out afterwards.

When you say "positive results with using water wetter in an all ready good
cooling system" what do you mean exactly? Lower reading on the temperature
gauge? I don't get how you can tell, that this stuff is doing what they say
it does.

Earle

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:BtOdnSkUXY_bLPXYnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks for the responses, guys. I cleared the code last night and drove
> about 20 miles, it hasn't since returned. I'll change the plug today
anyway.
> There are no plug wires on a 2k. Instead, there is a coil rail with three
> coil packs. The P0303 and the coolant are completely unrelated issues, I
> just posted in one post to keep the clutter down.
>
> My research has shown that the P0303 problem is known to be a heat soak
> issue with injector #3. Apparently, sometimes the heat from the exhaust
> manifold will creep up to injector #3 on a hot shutdown, causing a
misfire.
> The fix is an insulating wrap around injector #3.
>
> The coolant in the radiator right now is brown. I assume someone drained
the
> radiator and re-filled it with standard coolant. That's why I want to
flush
> the system. I read that there is a 7-hour flush. Apparently I just add it
to
> the radiator (after draining a small amount, of course), and it cleans the
> system during a seven-hour drive. I'll be driving back over to Seattle
next
> weekend (a five hour drive) and I plan to change the coolant while I'm
> there. Am I barking up the right tree here?
>
> I have seen positive results with using water wetter in an all ready good
> cooling system. I would not expect to see results using a it in a clogged,
> contaminated, or otherwise maulfuntioning system. Per reccomendation here,
I
> will not add it to the XJ. Just curious why they say not to use it?
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:RumdndEuPqiUPvXYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> > Yes. What would you deduce from a P0303 code?
> >
> > HINT
> > The code means the #3 plug is not firing properly, which by definition
is
> > a spark issue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> > news:c48hm2hv5ver6p6golf49qrpbsvnspqbp9@4ax.com...
> >> So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
> >> Wow. You're good.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> >> <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
> >>>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
> >>>>
> >>>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Earle
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
> >>>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
> >>>>> thing
> >>>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug
> >>>>> wires
> >>>> or
> >>>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I
> >>>>> certainly
> >>>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
> >>>>> especially
> >>>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when
they
> >>>>> are
> >>>>> not feeling well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road
> >>>>> > for
> >>>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less
> >>>>> > than
> >>>> one
> >>>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
> >>>>> > everything
> >>>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire
way.
> >>>>> > Fuel
> >>>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
> >>>>> > misfire.
> >>>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed
and
> >>>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I
can
> >>>>> > get
> >>>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose.
Then
> >>>> drain
> >>>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
> >>>> water.
> >>>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the
> >>>>> > right
> >>>>> > mixture?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Thanks,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Carl
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >>>>
> >
>
>



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Earle Horton

Brown coolant is undoubtedly bad, but it doesn't necessarily translate to
scale and sludge in the coolant chambers of the block or blocked radiator
tubes. I would flush the system with water, and only resort to a chemical
flush if big pieces came out. Otherwise, you can assume that most of it is
already in suspension. Another tell-tale is the bottom of the overflow
reservoir. Nasty pieces will tend to accumulate there because it doesn't
really have circulation. I am against flushing with chemicals unless you
have reason to believe that they are necessary, and then you have to take
extra care to rinse them all out afterwards.

When you say "positive results with using water wetter in an all ready good
cooling system" what do you mean exactly? Lower reading on the temperature
gauge? I don't get how you can tell, that this stuff is doing what they say
it does.

Earle

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:BtOdnSkUXY_bLPXYnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks for the responses, guys. I cleared the code last night and drove
> about 20 miles, it hasn't since returned. I'll change the plug today
anyway.
> There are no plug wires on a 2k. Instead, there is a coil rail with three
> coil packs. The P0303 and the coolant are completely unrelated issues, I
> just posted in one post to keep the clutter down.
>
> My research has shown that the P0303 problem is known to be a heat soak
> issue with injector #3. Apparently, sometimes the heat from the exhaust
> manifold will creep up to injector #3 on a hot shutdown, causing a
misfire.
> The fix is an insulating wrap around injector #3.
>
> The coolant in the radiator right now is brown. I assume someone drained
the
> radiator and re-filled it with standard coolant. That's why I want to
flush
> the system. I read that there is a 7-hour flush. Apparently I just add it
to
> the radiator (after draining a small amount, of course), and it cleans the
> system during a seven-hour drive. I'll be driving back over to Seattle
next
> weekend (a five hour drive) and I plan to change the coolant while I'm
> there. Am I barking up the right tree here?
>
> I have seen positive results with using water wetter in an all ready good
> cooling system. I would not expect to see results using a it in a clogged,
> contaminated, or otherwise maulfuntioning system. Per reccomendation here,
I
> will not add it to the XJ. Just curious why they say not to use it?
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:RumdndEuPqiUPvXYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> > Yes. What would you deduce from a P0303 code?
> >
> > HINT
> > The code means the #3 plug is not firing properly, which by definition
is
> > a spark issue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
> > news:c48hm2hv5ver6p6golf49qrpbsvnspqbp9@4ax.com...
> >> So just from the P-code you've already determined it's a spark issue.
> >> Wow. You're good.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:15:30 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> >> <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Relative to the P-code, ALL he needs to address is the spark issue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:45686645$0$21225$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
> >>>> Heh, I read this as two separate issues. ;^)
> >>>>
> >>>> You are right that he needs to address the spark issue too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Earle
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:OeudnbF-e-vX7fXYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@ez2.net...
> >>>>> You can drain and refill the coolant all you want -- probably a good
> >>>>> thing
> >>>>> by the way -- but this will not fix the error code.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I got the code you got, I'd be looking at stuff like spark plug
> >>>>> wires
> >>>> or
> >>>>> the coil (if the motor has a dedicated coil for each plug). I
> >>>>> certainly
> >>>>> would not spend time and money on completely unrelated systems,
> >>>>> especially
> >>>>> when those systems have their own series of codes to tell me when
they
> >>>>> are
> >>>>> not feeling well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:G9WdnWxDF-WqDPrYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>>>> > Jeep in question is my 2000 XJ. 4.0, Aw4. 95,000 miles
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On the way back from Seattle today, I drove down a washboard road
> >>>>> > for
> >>>>> > about 7 miles, got gas and went to get back on the highway. Less
> >>>>> > than
> >>>> one
> >>>>> > mile after fueling, I get a CEL. Pull over, gas cap is tight,
> >>>>> > everything
> >>>>> > looks OK. Continue around 100 miles home, CEL solid the entire
way.
> >>>>> > Fuel
> >>>>> > near home, 15.5MPG! I had previously gotten 21.1, 18.9, 20.1.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Stop at CSK, pull the codes, and I get P0303. Cylinder number 3
> >>>>> > misfire.
> >>>>> > Plugs are new copper champ's, Throttle body was recently removed
and
> >>>>> > cleaned. Any ideas where to start looking?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Also, I'm planning on changing the coolant soon. I have heard I
can
> >>>>> > get
> >>>>> > the prestone heater hose tee, and flush it with a garden hose.
Then
> >>>> drain
> >>>>> > the radiator thru the lower hose, fill the radiator with distilled
> >>>> water.
> >>>>> > Drain again, and refill with 100% coolant. Will this give me the
> >>>>> > right
> >>>>> > mixture?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Thanks,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Carl
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >>>>
> >
>
>



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