Thank you. This is the part I believed you did realize, and keep
blowing off: "The strut
also is a major suspension component."
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> When the struts fail, the affect is identical to the failure of a shock. The
> resulting tire wear looks a certain way, and it looks the same way - for all
> practical purposes - regardless of whether the car is fitted with shocks or
> struts.
>
> You are talking about the tires falling off the car, I am talking about the
> tires bouncing. Bouncing happens with shocks or struts. Falling off never
> happens.
>
> The question was, (paraphrasing here) "Why are my tires worn out and the
> struts are to blame?" I answered that question, and included the reference
> to shocks because for some strange reason some people grasp the job of a
> shock but fail to grasp the idea that a strut does the same thing. The strut
> also is a major suspension component, but the quality of a strut that
> affects tire wear is the quality that it shares with a shock, and the
> suspension component HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
>
> Thanks again, Captain Beside the Point.

 

And that is the part that is beside the point.

The failure mode is that the strut can't control tire bounce anymore, just
as the failure point of a shock is that it can't control tire bounce. The
fact that the suspension is the strut is beside the point, Captain.






"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4231F9BA.81555ADD@***.net...
> Thank you. This is the part I believed you did realize, and keep
> blowing off: "The strut
> also is a major suspension component."
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > When the struts fail, the affect is identical to the failure of a shock.
The
> > resulting tire wear looks a certain way, and it looks the same way - for
all
> > practical purposes - regardless of whether the car is fitted with shocks
or
> > struts.
> >
> > You are talking about the tires falling off the car, I am talking about
the
> > tires bouncing. Bouncing happens with shocks or struts. Falling off
never
> > happens.
> >
> > The question was, (paraphrasing here) "Why are my tires worn out and the
> > struts are to blame?" I answered that question, and included the
reference
> > to shocks because for some strange reason some people grasp the job of a
> > shock but fail to grasp the idea that a strut does the same thing. The
strut
> > also is a major suspension component, but the quality of a strut that
> > affects tire wear is the quality that it shares with a shock, and the
> > suspension component HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
> >
> > Thanks again, Captain Beside the Point.

 

And that is the part that is beside the point.

The failure mode is that the strut can't control tire bounce anymore, just
as the failure point of a shock is that it can't control tire bounce. The
fact that the suspension is the strut is beside the point, Captain.






"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4231F9BA.81555ADD@***.net...
> Thank you. This is the part I believed you did realize, and keep
> blowing off: "The strut
> also is a major suspension component."
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > When the struts fail, the affect is identical to the failure of a shock.
The
> > resulting tire wear looks a certain way, and it looks the same way - for
all
> > practical purposes - regardless of whether the car is fitted with shocks
or
> > struts.
> >
> > You are talking about the tires falling off the car, I am talking about
the
> > tires bouncing. Bouncing happens with shocks or struts. Falling off
never
> > happens.
> >
> > The question was, (paraphrasing here) "Why are my tires worn out and the
> > struts are to blame?" I answered that question, and included the
reference
> > to shocks because for some strange reason some people grasp the job of a
> > shock but fail to grasp the idea that a strut does the same thing. The
strut
> > also is a major suspension component, but the quality of a strut that
> > affects tire wear is the quality that it shares with a shock, and the
> > suspension component HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
> >
> > Thanks again, Captain Beside the Point.

 

And that is the part that is beside the point.

The failure mode is that the strut can't control tire bounce anymore, just
as the failure point of a shock is that it can't control tire bounce. The
fact that the suspension is the strut is beside the point, Captain.






"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4231F9BA.81555ADD@***.net...
> Thank you. This is the part I believed you did realize, and keep
> blowing off: "The strut
> also is a major suspension component."
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > When the struts fail, the affect is identical to the failure of a shock.
The
> > resulting tire wear looks a certain way, and it looks the same way - for
all
> > practical purposes - regardless of whether the car is fitted with shocks
or
> > struts.
> >
> > You are talking about the tires falling off the car, I am talking about
the
> > tires bouncing. Bouncing happens with shocks or struts. Falling off
never
> > happens.
> >
> > The question was, (paraphrasing here) "Why are my tires worn out and the
> > struts are to blame?" I answered that question, and included the
reference
> > to shocks because for some strange reason some people grasp the job of a
> > shock but fail to grasp the idea that a strut does the same thing. The
strut
> > also is a major suspension component, but the quality of a strut that
> > affects tire wear is the quality that it shares with a shock, and the
> > suspension component HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
> >
> > Thanks again, Captain Beside the Point.

 

Yes, just as the Libby's ball failure would no longer control it's
wheel: http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
Strut failure: http://members.home.nl/mk2/ext/11.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> And that is the part that is beside the point.
>
> The failure mode is that the strut can't control tire bounce anymore, just
> as the failure point of a shock is that it can't control tire bounce. The
> fact that the suspension is the strut is beside the point, Captain.

 

Yes, just as the Libby's ball failure would no longer control it's
wheel: http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
Strut failure: http://members.home.nl/mk2/ext/11.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> And that is the part that is beside the point.
>
> The failure mode is that the strut can't control tire bounce anymore, just
> as the failure point of a shock is that it can't control tire bounce. The
> fact that the suspension is the strut is beside the point, Captain.

 

Yes, just as the Libby's ball failure would no longer control it's
wheel: http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
Strut failure: http://members.home.nl/mk2/ext/11.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> And that is the part that is beside the point.
>
> The failure mode is that the strut can't control tire bounce anymore, just
> as the failure point of a shock is that it can't control tire bounce. The
> fact that the suspension is the strut is beside the point, Captain.

 

Ben proclaimed:

> I was getting the oil changed in my Saturn at this tire shop and I was told
> by the Tech that the struts where shot and they were shredding the tires.. I
> have never heard of that before... Can someone help me on that one? I know
> it isn't a Jeep question, but I thought that the shredding tire thing was
> interesting...

If you have an alignment problem, it can harm the tires. The
resulting tread wear patterns are very distinctive. Crapped out
shocks tend to cup the tire treads. You should be able to see
this yourself. Or ask a tire shop that does *not* sell struts.

 

Ben proclaimed:

> I was getting the oil changed in my Saturn at this tire shop and I was told
> by the Tech that the struts where shot and they were shredding the tires.. I
> have never heard of that before... Can someone help me on that one? I know
> it isn't a Jeep question, but I thought that the shredding tire thing was
> interesting...

If you have an alignment problem, it can harm the tires. The
resulting tread wear patterns are very distinctive. Crapped out
shocks tend to cup the tire treads. You should be able to see
this yourself. Or ask a tire shop that does *not* sell struts.

 

Ben proclaimed:

> I was getting the oil changed in my Saturn at this tire shop and I was told
> by the Tech that the struts where shot and they were shredding the tires.. I
> have never heard of that before... Can someone help me on that one? I know
> it isn't a Jeep question, but I thought that the shredding tire thing was
> interesting...

If you have an alignment problem, it can harm the tires. The
resulting tread wear patterns are very distinctive. Crapped out
shocks tend to cup the tire treads. You should be able to see
this yourself. Or ask a tire shop that does *not* sell struts.