OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
#11
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
Me? Never ;-) Tucker Carlson recently said of Bush: "Watching Bush talk is
like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
Reagan had many good oratory qualities. He had good speechwriters and a
strong delivery. I never really liked the way Clinton gave a speech, his
timing was always off...like listening to William Shatner with a Southern
accent.
I do prefer the speechmaking ability of most any US President from the 60's
and back than anyone since Nixon, but that might be just because everything
I've heard of their speeches were probably just the better ones they gave.
But the good ones, like Roosevelt, Kennedy, Churchill, they seemed to have a
way of delivering a speech that made it sound bigger than it was, and made
you hang on every word. Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
and had to impart their speeches without visual cues (with the exception of
Kennedy, of course).
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3oqdnatcJIZfpyvcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> > Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
> today
> > as it was back then.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41B609F3.B6B800F4@***.net...
> > > Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> > > in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
>
>
like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
Reagan had many good oratory qualities. He had good speechwriters and a
strong delivery. I never really liked the way Clinton gave a speech, his
timing was always off...like listening to William Shatner with a Southern
accent.
I do prefer the speechmaking ability of most any US President from the 60's
and back than anyone since Nixon, but that might be just because everything
I've heard of their speeches were probably just the better ones they gave.
But the good ones, like Roosevelt, Kennedy, Churchill, they seemed to have a
way of delivering a speech that made it sound bigger than it was, and made
you hang on every word. Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
and had to impart their speeches without visual cues (with the exception of
Kennedy, of course).
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3oqdnatcJIZfpyvcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> > Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
> today
> > as it was back then.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41B609F3.B6B800F4@***.net...
> > > Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> > > in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
>
>
#12
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
Me? Never ;-) Tucker Carlson recently said of Bush: "Watching Bush talk is
like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
Reagan had many good oratory qualities. He had good speechwriters and a
strong delivery. I never really liked the way Clinton gave a speech, his
timing was always off...like listening to William Shatner with a Southern
accent.
I do prefer the speechmaking ability of most any US President from the 60's
and back than anyone since Nixon, but that might be just because everything
I've heard of their speeches were probably just the better ones they gave.
But the good ones, like Roosevelt, Kennedy, Churchill, they seemed to have a
way of delivering a speech that made it sound bigger than it was, and made
you hang on every word. Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
and had to impart their speeches without visual cues (with the exception of
Kennedy, of course).
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3oqdnatcJIZfpyvcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> > Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
> today
> > as it was back then.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41B609F3.B6B800F4@***.net...
> > > Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> > > in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
>
>
like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
Reagan had many good oratory qualities. He had good speechwriters and a
strong delivery. I never really liked the way Clinton gave a speech, his
timing was always off...like listening to William Shatner with a Southern
accent.
I do prefer the speechmaking ability of most any US President from the 60's
and back than anyone since Nixon, but that might be just because everything
I've heard of their speeches were probably just the better ones they gave.
But the good ones, like Roosevelt, Kennedy, Churchill, they seemed to have a
way of delivering a speech that made it sound bigger than it was, and made
you hang on every word. Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
and had to impart their speeches without visual cues (with the exception of
Kennedy, of course).
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3oqdnatcJIZfpyvcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> > Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
> today
> > as it was back then.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41B609F3.B6B800F4@***.net...
> > > Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> > > in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
>
>
#13
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
Me? Never ;-) Tucker Carlson recently said of Bush: "Watching Bush talk is
like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
Reagan had many good oratory qualities. He had good speechwriters and a
strong delivery. I never really liked the way Clinton gave a speech, his
timing was always off...like listening to William Shatner with a Southern
accent.
I do prefer the speechmaking ability of most any US President from the 60's
and back than anyone since Nixon, but that might be just because everything
I've heard of their speeches were probably just the better ones they gave.
But the good ones, like Roosevelt, Kennedy, Churchill, they seemed to have a
way of delivering a speech that made it sound bigger than it was, and made
you hang on every word. Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
and had to impart their speeches without visual cues (with the exception of
Kennedy, of course).
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3oqdnatcJIZfpyvcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> > Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
> today
> > as it was back then.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41B609F3.B6B800F4@***.net...
> > > Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> > > in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
>
>
like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
Reagan had many good oratory qualities. He had good speechwriters and a
strong delivery. I never really liked the way Clinton gave a speech, his
timing was always off...like listening to William Shatner with a Southern
accent.
I do prefer the speechmaking ability of most any US President from the 60's
and back than anyone since Nixon, but that might be just because everything
I've heard of their speeches were probably just the better ones they gave.
But the good ones, like Roosevelt, Kennedy, Churchill, they seemed to have a
way of delivering a speech that made it sound bigger than it was, and made
you hang on every word. Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
and had to impart their speeches without visual cues (with the exception of
Kennedy, of course).
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:3oqdnatcJIZfpyvcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> > Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
> today
> > as it was back then.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41B609F3.B6B800F4@***.net...
> > > Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> > > in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
His speech style is more like "see ---- run" rather than anything even
resembling inspirational leadership. It's just pitiful what poor public
speaking style he uses. He might have any number of good qualities but
inspiring people through public speaking just isn't one of them. So instead
of having a Bush teamed up with a Quayle idiot we just got the idiot leading
the team with his puppetmaster off in an 'undisclosed location'. Sad,
really sad.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
today
> > as it was back then.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> > > in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav
#15
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
His speech style is more like "see ---- run" rather than anything even
resembling inspirational leadership. It's just pitiful what poor public
speaking style he uses. He might have any number of good qualities but
inspiring people through public speaking just isn't one of them. So instead
of having a Bush teamed up with a Quayle idiot we just got the idiot leading
the team with his puppetmaster off in an 'undisclosed location'. Sad,
really sad.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
today
> > as it was back then.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> > > in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav
#16
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
His speech style is more like "see ---- run" rather than anything even
resembling inspirational leadership. It's just pitiful what poor public
speaking style he uses. He might have any number of good qualities but
inspiring people through public speaking just isn't one of them. So instead
of having a Bush teamed up with a Quayle idiot we just got the idiot leading
the team with his puppetmaster off in an 'undisclosed location'. Sad,
really sad.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
today
> > as it was back then.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> > > in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
> Me? Never ;-) Tucker Carlson recently said of Bush: "Watching Bush talk is
> like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
That's about right. Perhaps that backs up the PR notion going about of
thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At least
they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.
> Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
> and had to impart their speeches without visual cues
Perhaps, but even in the past they've had regular messages to the public.
Reagan's from his days are governor are quite good. Even when there's an
opportunity to be rehearsed, edited and packaged Bush still comes off badly,
shockingly so.
> (with the exception of Kennedy, of course).
That and Nixon made his job all that much easier because of it.
> like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
That's about right. Perhaps that backs up the PR notion going about of
thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At least
they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.
> Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
> and had to impart their speeches without visual cues
Perhaps, but even in the past they've had regular messages to the public.
Reagan's from his days are governor are quite good. Even when there's an
opportunity to be rehearsed, edited and packaged Bush still comes off badly,
shockingly so.
> (with the exception of Kennedy, of course).
That and Nixon made his job all that much easier because of it.
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
> Me? Never ;-) Tucker Carlson recently said of Bush: "Watching Bush talk is
> like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
That's about right. Perhaps that backs up the PR notion going about of
thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At least
they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.
> Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
> and had to impart their speeches without visual cues
Perhaps, but even in the past they've had regular messages to the public.
Reagan's from his days are governor are quite good. Even when there's an
opportunity to be rehearsed, edited and packaged Bush still comes off badly,
shockingly so.
> (with the exception of Kennedy, of course).
That and Nixon made his job all that much easier because of it.
> like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
That's about right. Perhaps that backs up the PR notion going about of
thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At least
they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.
> Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
> and had to impart their speeches without visual cues
Perhaps, but even in the past they've had regular messages to the public.
Reagan's from his days are governor are quite good. Even when there's an
opportunity to be rehearsed, edited and packaged Bush still comes off badly,
shockingly so.
> (with the exception of Kennedy, of course).
That and Nixon made his job all that much easier because of it.
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
> Me? Never ;-) Tucker Carlson recently said of Bush: "Watching Bush talk is
> like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
That's about right. Perhaps that backs up the PR notion going about of
thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At least
they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.
> Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
> and had to impart their speeches without visual cues
Perhaps, but even in the past they've had regular messages to the public.
Reagan's from his days are governor are quite good. Even when there's an
opportunity to be rehearsed, edited and packaged Bush still comes off badly,
shockingly so.
> (with the exception of Kennedy, of course).
That and Nixon made his job all that much easier because of it.
> like watching a drunk man try to cross an icy street."
That's about right. Perhaps that backs up the PR notion going about of
thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At least
they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.
> Maybe it's because they came up in the radio days,
> and had to impart their speeches without visual cues
Perhaps, but even in the past they've had regular messages to the public.
Reagan's from his days are governor are quite good. Even when there's an
opportunity to be rehearsed, edited and packaged Bush still comes off badly,
shockingly so.
> (with the exception of Kennedy, of course).
That and Nixon made his job all that much easier because of it.
#20
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Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
The appeal is probably a reaction to the over-polished bullsh1t of most
politicians.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At
least
> they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.
politicians.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Y_qdnVrCScnNsSrcRVn-hw@speakeasy.net...
> thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At
least
> they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.