Will Honea

Good observation, Earle. The install sequence for both NT4, W2K and
XP is the same: if the install is to and unformatted partition it
formats it FAT32 (needs long file names) and preforms a conversion to
NTFS (if you elect to use it) as a startup operation after it has
installed the system. to the point that the new install is actually
usable. The Linux and other communities have tried for years to build
a driver that is relaible for writing to NTFS but I don't know of a
single one that is fully compatible as of now. Read, yes. Write, no.
I suspect that if such a beast existed on the install disk it would
have been reverse engineered by now.

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:45:43 UTC "Earle Horton"
<NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:

> I don't know much about XP. I tried it once and didn't like it. Then I
> gave the computer to my daughter, who was thrilled to get XP, at first. We
> all like Windows 2000 now. I think that the basic install mechanism is the
> same.
>
> Anyway, there should be stuff on the installation CD to make a set of floppy
> boot disks. On the Windows 2000 CD, you find it in the BOOTDISK directory.
> Also, you can boot from DOS and run WINNT.EXE from the CD, I386 directory.
> This will do some stuff for you. I don't think it will be able to install
> to an NTFS partition, unless you give it some FAT or FAT32 space for
> temporary files.
>
> Earle
>
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:Vh0lf.10$0e.4@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > I sent him a link to one he could download from me, but he said his
> > connection dropped the download. It is still there for him if he
> wants/needs
> > it.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:4bb0c$439483da$4831b233$5898@FUSE.NET...
> > > Sounds like he still needs a bootable CD though
> > >
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:439480be$0$15351$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > > Too bad you had this problem when I was in A Coruņa enjoying some free
> > > > days.
> > > > I could have thrown in my two cents worth.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:wc-dnUe5R6toPQ_enZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@ez2.net...
> > > >>
> > > >> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > > >> news:71xkf.3214$f41.2888@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >> > news:NvqdnfQKI-WqDg_enZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@ez2.net...
> > > >> >> Thanks for the tips and inspiration. I found the XP Boot program
> on
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> MSoft site. It takes six diskettes to run, but it worked.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Jeff, glad you got it sorted out. The only reason you should need
> the
> > > >> > floppy
> > > >> > disks is if the PC is not capable of booting from CD, which yours
> > > >> > should
> > > >> > be.
> > > >> > Strange, but sometimes it works out that way.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> I have a CD drive, but the boot disk isn't available in that format
> > > >> unless
> > > >> one has the New Installation version. I have the Upgrade version, and
> > the
> > > >> assumption is that the previous OS has a suitable boot disk. We found
> > out
> > > >> this evening that this isn't a safe assumption ...
> > > >>
> > > >> It seems that Gates & Co would provide a download that can go onto a
> > CD,
> > > > but
> > > >> I didn't see one.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


--
Will Honea

Earle Horton

I worked for Microsoft while they were developing NT 4.0. They required us
to upgrade our systems every time they had a "safe, approved" build. How
many times do you think I did that? Heh, how many times do you think I
wound up with another developer in my office, trying to figure out what had
gone wrong with their "safe" build?

Norton Ghost 2003 is capable of copying NTFS partitions. It operates from a
DOS shell. I haven't tried the newest version. That would be like buying a
TJ or other coil-springed vehicle. ;^) Norton developers had access to
Microsoft source code, but reverse engineering the NT install program is, as
everyone knows, a violation of the product license. An NTFS partition
copied with Norton Ghost may not boot, if the destination partition is a
different size, probably smaller than the source. I think that this has
something to do with the paging file.

When I was working for them, over ten years ago, I heard that one of the
Windows developers had a driver that was capable of mounting NTFS volumes
from inside of Windows. The NT program managers got real hot under the
collar when they found out that it ignored security descriptors. This was
the same guy that wrote FAT32 in his spare time, after being told not to.
There is nothing miraculous about file systems.

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-115coEy3uVPG@anon.none.net...
> Good observation, Earle. The install sequence for both NT4, W2K and
> XP is the same: if the install is to and unformatted partition it
> formats it FAT32 (needs long file names) and preforms a conversion to
> NTFS (if you elect to use it) as a startup operation after it has
> installed the system. to the point that the new install is actually
> usable. The Linux and other communities have tried for years to build
> a driver that is relaible for writing to NTFS but I don't know of a
> single one that is fully compatible as of now. Read, yes. Write, no.
> I suspect that if such a beast existed on the install disk it would
> have been reverse engineered by now.
>
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:45:43 UTC "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't know much about XP. I tried it once and didn't like it. Then I
> > gave the computer to my daughter, who was thrilled to get XP, at first.
We
> > all like Windows 2000 now. I think that the basic install mechanism is
the
> > same.
> >
> > Anyway, there should be stuff on the installation CD to make a set of
floppy
> > boot disks. On the Windows 2000 CD, you find it in the BOOTDISK
directory.
> > Also, you can boot from DOS and run WINNT.EXE from the CD, I386
directory.
> > This will do some stuff for you. I don't think it will be able to
install
> > to an NTFS partition, unless you give it some FAT or FAT32 space for
> > temporary files.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Vh0lf.10$0e.4@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > I sent him a link to one he could download from me, but he said his
> > > connection dropped the download. It is still there for him if he
> > wants/needs
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > > news:4bb0c$439483da$4831b233$5898@FUSE.NET...
> > > > Sounds like he still needs a bootable CD though
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:439480be$0$15351$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > > > Too bad you had this problem when I was in A Coruņa enjoying some
free
> > > > > days.
> > > > > I could have thrown in my two cents worth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:wc-dnUe5R6toPQ_enZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@ez2.net...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:71xkf.3214$f41.2888@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> > news:NvqdnfQKI-WqDg_enZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@ez2.net...
> > > > >> >> Thanks for the tips and inspiration. I found the XP Boot
program
> > on
> > > > >> >> the
> > > > >> >> MSoft site. It takes six diskettes to run, but it worked.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Jeff, glad you got it sorted out. The only reason you should
need
> > the
> > > > >> > floppy
> > > > >> > disks is if the PC is not capable of booting from CD, which
yours
> > > > >> > should
> > > > >> > be.
> > > > >> > Strange, but sometimes it works out that way.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I have a CD drive, but the boot disk isn't available in that
format
> > > > >> unless
> > > > >> one has the New Installation version. I have the Upgrade version,
and
> > > the
> > > > >> assumption is that the previous OS has a suitable boot disk. We
found
> > > out
> > > > >> this evening that this isn't a safe assumption ...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It seems that Gates & Co would provide a download that can go
onto a
> > > CD,
> > > > > but
> > > > >> I didn't see one.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

Earle Horton

I worked for Microsoft while they were developing NT 4.0. They required us
to upgrade our systems every time they had a "safe, approved" build. How
many times do you think I did that? Heh, how many times do you think I
wound up with another developer in my office, trying to figure out what had
gone wrong with their "safe" build?

Norton Ghost 2003 is capable of copying NTFS partitions. It operates from a
DOS shell. I haven't tried the newest version. That would be like buying a
TJ or other coil-springed vehicle. ;^) Norton developers had access to
Microsoft source code, but reverse engineering the NT install program is, as
everyone knows, a violation of the product license. An NTFS partition
copied with Norton Ghost may not boot, if the destination partition is a
different size, probably smaller than the source. I think that this has
something to do with the paging file.

When I was working for them, over ten years ago, I heard that one of the
Windows developers had a driver that was capable of mounting NTFS volumes
from inside of Windows. The NT program managers got real hot under the
collar when they found out that it ignored security descriptors. This was
the same guy that wrote FAT32 in his spare time, after being told not to.
There is nothing miraculous about file systems.

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-115coEy3uVPG@anon.none.net...
> Good observation, Earle. The install sequence for both NT4, W2K and
> XP is the same: if the install is to and unformatted partition it
> formats it FAT32 (needs long file names) and preforms a conversion to
> NTFS (if you elect to use it) as a startup operation after it has
> installed the system. to the point that the new install is actually
> usable. The Linux and other communities have tried for years to build
> a driver that is relaible for writing to NTFS but I don't know of a
> single one that is fully compatible as of now. Read, yes. Write, no.
> I suspect that if such a beast existed on the install disk it would
> have been reverse engineered by now.
>
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:45:43 UTC "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't know much about XP. I tried it once and didn't like it. Then I
> > gave the computer to my daughter, who was thrilled to get XP, at first.
We
> > all like Windows 2000 now. I think that the basic install mechanism is
the
> > same.
> >
> > Anyway, there should be stuff on the installation CD to make a set of
floppy
> > boot disks. On the Windows 2000 CD, you find it in the BOOTDISK
directory.
> > Also, you can boot from DOS and run WINNT.EXE from the CD, I386
directory.
> > This will do some stuff for you. I don't think it will be able to
install
> > to an NTFS partition, unless you give it some FAT or FAT32 space for
> > temporary files.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Vh0lf.10$0e.4@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > I sent him a link to one he could download from me, but he said his
> > > connection dropped the download. It is still there for him if he
> > wants/needs
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > > news:4bb0c$439483da$4831b233$5898@FUSE.NET...
> > > > Sounds like he still needs a bootable CD though
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:439480be$0$15351$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > > > Too bad you had this problem when I was in A Coruņa enjoying some
free
> > > > > days.
> > > > > I could have thrown in my two cents worth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:wc-dnUe5R6toPQ_enZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@ez2.net...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:71xkf.3214$f41.2888@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> > news:NvqdnfQKI-WqDg_enZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@ez2.net...
> > > > >> >> Thanks for the tips and inspiration. I found the XP Boot
program
> > on
> > > > >> >> the
> > > > >> >> MSoft site. It takes six diskettes to run, but it worked.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Jeff, glad you got it sorted out. The only reason you should
need
> > the
> > > > >> > floppy
> > > > >> > disks is if the PC is not capable of booting from CD, which
yours
> > > > >> > should
> > > > >> > be.
> > > > >> > Strange, but sometimes it works out that way.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I have a CD drive, but the boot disk isn't available in that
format
> > > > >> unless
> > > > >> one has the New Installation version. I have the Upgrade version,
and
> > > the
> > > > >> assumption is that the previous OS has a suitable boot disk. We
found
> > > out
> > > > >> this evening that this isn't a safe assumption ...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It seems that Gates & Co would provide a download that can go
onto a
> > > CD,
> > > > > but
> > > > >> I didn't see one.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea

Earle Horton

I worked for Microsoft while they were developing NT 4.0. They required us
to upgrade our systems every time they had a "safe, approved" build. How
many times do you think I did that? Heh, how many times do you think I
wound up with another developer in my office, trying to figure out what had
gone wrong with their "safe" build?

Norton Ghost 2003 is capable of copying NTFS partitions. It operates from a
DOS shell. I haven't tried the newest version. That would be like buying a
TJ or other coil-springed vehicle. ;^) Norton developers had access to
Microsoft source code, but reverse engineering the NT install program is, as
everyone knows, a violation of the product license. An NTFS partition
copied with Norton Ghost may not boot, if the destination partition is a
different size, probably smaller than the source. I think that this has
something to do with the paging file.

When I was working for them, over ten years ago, I heard that one of the
Windows developers had a driver that was capable of mounting NTFS volumes
from inside of Windows. The NT program managers got real hot under the
collar when they found out that it ignored security descriptors. This was
the same guy that wrote FAT32 in his spare time, after being told not to.
There is nothing miraculous about file systems.

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-115coEy3uVPG@anon.none.net...
> Good observation, Earle. The install sequence for both NT4, W2K and
> XP is the same: if the install is to and unformatted partition it
> formats it FAT32 (needs long file names) and preforms a conversion to
> NTFS (if you elect to use it) as a startup operation after it has
> installed the system. to the point that the new install is actually
> usable. The Linux and other communities have tried for years to build
> a driver that is relaible for writing to NTFS but I don't know of a
> single one that is fully compatible as of now. Read, yes. Write, no.
> I suspect that if such a beast existed on the install disk it would
> have been reverse engineered by now.
>
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:45:43 UTC "Earle Horton"
> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't know much about XP. I tried it once and didn't like it. Then I
> > gave the computer to my daughter, who was thrilled to get XP, at first.
We
> > all like Windows 2000 now. I think that the basic install mechanism is
the
> > same.
> >
> > Anyway, there should be stuff on the installation CD to make a set of
floppy
> > boot disks. On the Windows 2000 CD, you find it in the BOOTDISK
directory.
> > Also, you can boot from DOS and run WINNT.EXE from the CD, I386
directory.
> > This will do some stuff for you. I don't think it will be able to
install
> > to an NTFS partition, unless you give it some FAT or FAT32 space for
> > temporary files.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:Vh0lf.10$0e.4@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > I sent him a link to one he could download from me, but he said his
> > > connection dropped the download. It is still there for him if he
> > wants/needs
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > > news:4bb0c$439483da$4831b233$5898@FUSE.NET...
> > > > Sounds like he still needs a bootable CD though
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:439480be$0$15351$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > > > Too bad you had this problem when I was in A Coruņa enjoying some
free
> > > > > days.
> > > > > I could have thrown in my two cents worth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:wc-dnUe5R6toPQ_enZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@ez2.net...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:71xkf.3214$f41.2888@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> > news:NvqdnfQKI-WqDg_enZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@ez2.net...
> > > > >> >> Thanks for the tips and inspiration. I found the XP Boot
program
> > on
> > > > >> >> the
> > > > >> >> MSoft site. It takes six diskettes to run, but it worked.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Jeff, glad you got it sorted out. The only reason you should
need
> > the
> > > > >> > floppy
> > > > >> > disks is if the PC is not capable of booting from CD, which
yours
> > > > >> > should
> > > > >> > be.
> > > > >> > Strange, but sometimes it works out that way.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I have a CD drive, but the boot disk isn't available in that
format
> > > > >> unless
> > > > >> one has the New Installation version. I have the Upgrade version,
and
> > > the
> > > > >> assumption is that the previous OS has a suitable boot disk. We
found
> > > out
> > > > >> this evening that this isn't a safe assumption ...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It seems that Gates & Co would provide a download that can go
onto a
> > > CD,
> > > > > but
> > > > >> I didn't see one.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea