OT: Diesels are the way to go
04-16-2007, 08:48 PM
#31
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Re: Diesels are the way to go
I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
them with the Mercedes V-6's.
After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been the
four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German friend...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
>> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
>> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
>> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
>> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an I6
>> as well.
>
> I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars in
> Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW logo.
> Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the number
> of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was nothing
> under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking the
> plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think it
> was.
>
>>
>> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
>> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
>> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
>
> This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every car
> that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph) was
> an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> still :-)
>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
>>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
>>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
>>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
>>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week has
>>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big time
>>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
>>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
>>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
>>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
>>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
>>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
>>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share...
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
them with the Mercedes V-6's.
After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been the
four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German friend...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
>> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
>> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
>> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
>> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an I6
>> as well.
>
> I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars in
> Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW logo.
> Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the number
> of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was nothing
> under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking the
> plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think it
> was.
>
>>
>> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
>> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
>> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
>
> This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every car
> that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph) was
> an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> still :-)
>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
>>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
>>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
>>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
>>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week has
>>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big time
>>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
>>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
>>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
>>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
>>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
>>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
>>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share...
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
04-16-2007, 08:48 PM
#32
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Re: Diesels are the way to go
I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
them with the Mercedes V-6's.
After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been the
four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German friend...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
>> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
>> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
>> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
>> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an I6
>> as well.
>
> I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars in
> Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW logo.
> Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the number
> of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was nothing
> under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking the
> plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think it
> was.
>
>>
>> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
>> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
>> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
>
> This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every car
> that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph) was
> an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> still :-)
>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
>>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
>>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
>>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
>>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week has
>>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big time
>>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
>>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
>>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
>>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
>>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
>>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
>>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share...
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
them with the Mercedes V-6's.
After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been the
four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German friend...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
>> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
>> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
>> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
>> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an I6
>> as well.
>
> I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars in
> Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW logo.
> Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the number
> of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was nothing
> under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking the
> plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think it
> was.
>
>>
>> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
>> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
>> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
>
> This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every car
> that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph) was
> an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> still :-)
>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
>>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
>>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
>>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
>>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week has
>>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big time
>>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
>>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
>>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
>>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
>>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
>>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
>>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share...
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
04-16-2007, 08:48 PM
#33
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Re: Diesels are the way to go
I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
them with the Mercedes V-6's.
After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been the
four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German friend...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
>> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
>> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
>> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
>> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an I6
>> as well.
>
> I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars in
> Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW logo.
> Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the number
> of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was nothing
> under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking the
> plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think it
> was.
>
>>
>> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
>> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
>> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
>
> This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every car
> that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph) was
> an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> still :-)
>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
>>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
>>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
>>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
>>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week has
>>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big time
>>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
>>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
>>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
>>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
>>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
>>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
>>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share...
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
them with the Mercedes V-6's.
After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been the
four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German friend...
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
>> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
>> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
>> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
>> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an I6
>> as well.
>
> I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars in
> Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW logo.
> Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the number
> of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was nothing
> under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking the
> plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think it
> was.
>
>>
>> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
>> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
>> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
>
> This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every car
> that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph) was
> an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> still :-)
>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
>>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
>>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
>>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
>>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week has
>>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big time
>>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
>>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
>>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
>>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
>>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
>>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
>>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share...
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
04-16-2007, 09:05 PM
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Re: Diesels are the way to go
Encouraging
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> We stayed most of the time outside of Schwienfurt, about an hour from
> Frankfurt. All the trees I saw were alive. Driving to Salzburg looked like
> driving through East Tennessee, with all the conifers.
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> We stayed most of the time outside of Schwienfurt, about an hour from
> Frankfurt. All the trees I saw were alive. Driving to Salzburg looked like
> driving through East Tennessee, with all the conifers.
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Re: Diesels are the way to go
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> We stayed most of the time outside of Schwienfurt, about an hour from
> Frankfurt. All the trees I saw were alive. Driving to Salzburg looked like
> driving through East Tennessee, with all the conifers.
--
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> We stayed most of the time outside of Schwienfurt, about an hour from
> Frankfurt. All the trees I saw were alive. Driving to Salzburg looked like
> driving through East Tennessee, with all the conifers.
--
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Re: Diesels are the way to go
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> We stayed most of the time outside of Schwienfurt, about an hour from
> Frankfurt. All the trees I saw were alive. Driving to Salzburg looked like
> driving through East Tennessee, with all the conifers.
--
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> We stayed most of the time outside of Schwienfurt, about an hour from
> Frankfurt. All the trees I saw were alive. Driving to Salzburg looked like
> driving through East Tennessee, with all the conifers.
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Re: Diesels are the way to go
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> We stayed most of the time outside of Schwienfurt, about an hour from
> Frankfurt. All the trees I saw were alive. Driving to Salzburg looked like
> driving through East Tennessee, with all the conifers.
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> We stayed most of the time outside of Schwienfurt, about an hour from
> Frankfurt. All the trees I saw were alive. Driving to Salzburg looked like
> driving through East Tennessee, with all the conifers.
--
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04-16-2007, 09:16 PM
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Re: Diesels are the way to go
I rented a four cylinder Golf when I was in Spain. It was almost as peppy
as the four cylinder Renault I rented another time. There are plenty of
trees there, except in the dry central part which is a little like Western
Colorado. I could smell the Golf, but it was early morning, just after I
had rented it, and while it was warming up. The Avis guy and I were
standing right back of the rear bumper, shooting the breeze, and it was just
a faint smell you could barely detect. I would have no qualms about letting
these cars in the States, except for the block heater I would probably need
in Silverton.
Another time I was in the Bus Depot in Burgos, and a guy from LA started
having breathing difficulties. I was trying to remember the Spanish
equivalent of "911" but he just stuck his head down by the bus exhaust, and
was OK in a minute or two. (Third time I've used this story. Have to go
back soon and get another one. You old coots won't notice anyway.)
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
> them with the Mercedes V-6's.
>
> After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been
the
> four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
> registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German
friend...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
> >> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
> >> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
> >> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
> >> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an
I6
> >> as well.
> >
> > I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars
in
> > Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> > diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW
logo.
> > Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> > have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the
number
> > of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was
nothing
> > under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking
the
> > plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think
it
> > was.
> >
> >>
> >> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
> >> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
> >> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
> >
> > This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> > performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every
car
> > that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph)
was
> > an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> > still :-)
> >
> >>
> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
> >>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
> >>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
> >>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
> >>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week
has
> >>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big
time
> >>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
> >>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
> >>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
> >>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
> >>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
> >>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
> >>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
> >>>
> >>> Just thought I'd share...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ---
> >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
as the four cylinder Renault I rented another time. There are plenty of
trees there, except in the dry central part which is a little like Western
Colorado. I could smell the Golf, but it was early morning, just after I
had rented it, and while it was warming up. The Avis guy and I were
standing right back of the rear bumper, shooting the breeze, and it was just
a faint smell you could barely detect. I would have no qualms about letting
these cars in the States, except for the block heater I would probably need
in Silverton.
Another time I was in the Bus Depot in Burgos, and a guy from LA started
having breathing difficulties. I was trying to remember the Spanish
equivalent of "911" but he just stuck his head down by the bus exhaust, and
was OK in a minute or two. (Third time I've used this story. Have to go
back soon and get another one. You old coots won't notice anyway.)
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fMGdnUwia9OJhLnbnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
> them with the Mercedes V-6's.
>
> After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been
the
> four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
> registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German
friend...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
> >> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
> >> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
> >> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
> >> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an
I6
> >> as well.
> >
> > I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars
in
> > Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> > diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW
logo.
> > Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> > have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the
number
> > of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was
nothing
> > under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking
the
> > plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think
it
> > was.
> >
> >>
> >> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
> >> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
> >> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
> >
> > This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> > performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every
car
> > that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph)
was
> > an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> > still :-)
> >
> >>
> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
> >>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
> >>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
> >>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
> >>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week
has
> >>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big
time
> >>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
> >>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
> >>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
> >>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
> >>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
> >>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
> >>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
> >>>
> >>> Just thought I'd share...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ---
> >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
04-16-2007, 09:16 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Diesels are the way to go
I rented a four cylinder Golf when I was in Spain. It was almost as peppy
as the four cylinder Renault I rented another time. There are plenty of
trees there, except in the dry central part which is a little like Western
Colorado. I could smell the Golf, but it was early morning, just after I
had rented it, and while it was warming up. The Avis guy and I were
standing right back of the rear bumper, shooting the breeze, and it was just
a faint smell you could barely detect. I would have no qualms about letting
these cars in the States, except for the block heater I would probably need
in Silverton.
Another time I was in the Bus Depot in Burgos, and a guy from LA started
having breathing difficulties. I was trying to remember the Spanish
equivalent of "911" but he just stuck his head down by the bus exhaust, and
was OK in a minute or two. (Third time I've used this story. Have to go
back soon and get another one. You old coots won't notice anyway.)
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fMGdnUwia9OJhLnbnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
> them with the Mercedes V-6's.
>
> After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been
the
> four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
> registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German
friend...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
> >> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
> >> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
> >> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
> >> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an
I6
> >> as well.
> >
> > I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars
in
> > Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> > diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW
logo.
> > Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> > have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the
number
> > of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was
nothing
> > under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking
the
> > plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think
it
> > was.
> >
> >>
> >> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
> >> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
> >> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
> >
> > This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> > performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every
car
> > that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph)
was
> > an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> > still :-)
> >
> >>
> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
> >>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
> >>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
> >>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
> >>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week
has
> >>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big
time
> >>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
> >>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
> >>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
> >>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
> >>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
> >>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
> >>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
> >>>
> >>> Just thought I'd share...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ---
> >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
as the four cylinder Renault I rented another time. There are plenty of
trees there, except in the dry central part which is a little like Western
Colorado. I could smell the Golf, but it was early morning, just after I
had rented it, and while it was warming up. The Avis guy and I were
standing right back of the rear bumper, shooting the breeze, and it was just
a faint smell you could barely detect. I would have no qualms about letting
these cars in the States, except for the block heater I would probably need
in Silverton.
Another time I was in the Bus Depot in Burgos, and a guy from LA started
having breathing difficulties. I was trying to remember the Spanish
equivalent of "911" but he just stuck his head down by the bus exhaust, and
was OK in a minute or two. (Third time I've used this story. Have to go
back soon and get another one. You old coots won't notice anyway.)
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fMGdnUwia9OJhLnbnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
> them with the Mercedes V-6's.
>
> After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been
the
> four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
> registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German
friend...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
> >> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
> >> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
> >> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
> >> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an
I6
> >> as well.
> >
> > I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars
in
> > Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> > diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW
logo.
> > Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> > have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the
number
> > of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was
nothing
> > under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking
the
> > plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think
it
> > was.
> >
> >>
> >> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
> >> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
> >> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
> >
> > This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> > performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every
car
> > that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph)
was
> > an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> > still :-)
> >
> >>
> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
> >>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
> >>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
> >>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
> >>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week
has
> >>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big
time
> >>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
> >>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
> >>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
> >>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
> >>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
> >>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
> >>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
> >>>
> >>> Just thought I'd share...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ---
> >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
04-16-2007, 09:16 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Diesels are the way to go
I rented a four cylinder Golf when I was in Spain. It was almost as peppy
as the four cylinder Renault I rented another time. There are plenty of
trees there, except in the dry central part which is a little like Western
Colorado. I could smell the Golf, but it was early morning, just after I
had rented it, and while it was warming up. The Avis guy and I were
standing right back of the rear bumper, shooting the breeze, and it was just
a faint smell you could barely detect. I would have no qualms about letting
these cars in the States, except for the block heater I would probably need
in Silverton.
Another time I was in the Bus Depot in Burgos, and a guy from LA started
having breathing difficulties. I was trying to remember the Spanish
equivalent of "911" but he just stuck his head down by the bus exhaust, and
was OK in a minute or two. (Third time I've used this story. Have to go
back soon and get another one. You old coots won't notice anyway.)
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fMGdnUwia9OJhLnbnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
> them with the Mercedes V-6's.
>
> After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been
the
> four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
> registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German
friend...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
> >> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
> >> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
> >> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
> >> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an
I6
> >> as well.
> >
> > I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars
in
> > Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> > diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW
logo.
> > Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> > have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the
number
> > of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was
nothing
> > under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking
the
> > plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think
it
> > was.
> >
> >>
> >> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
> >> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
> >> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
> >
> > This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> > performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every
car
> > that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph)
was
> > an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> > still :-)
> >
> >>
> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
> >>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
> >>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
> >>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
> >>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week
has
> >>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big
time
> >>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
> >>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
> >>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
> >>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
> >>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
> >>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
> >>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
> >>>
> >>> Just thought I'd share...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ---
> >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
as the four cylinder Renault I rented another time. There are plenty of
trees there, except in the dry central part which is a little like Western
Colorado. I could smell the Golf, but it was early morning, just after I
had rented it, and while it was warming up. The Avis guy and I were
standing right back of the rear bumper, shooting the breeze, and it was just
a faint smell you could barely detect. I would have no qualms about letting
these cars in the States, except for the block heater I would probably need
in Silverton.
Another time I was in the Bus Depot in Burgos, and a guy from LA started
having breathing difficulties. I was trying to remember the Spanish
equivalent of "911" but he just stuck his head down by the bus exhaust, and
was OK in a minute or two. (Third time I've used this story. Have to go
back soon and get another one. You old coots won't notice anyway.)
Earle
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fMGdnUwia9OJhLnbnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
> them with the Mercedes V-6's.
>
> After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been
the
> four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on the
> registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German
friend...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
> >> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
> >> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
> >> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
> >> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an
I6
> >> as well.
> >
> > I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars
in
> > Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
> > diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW
logo.
> > Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
> > have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the
number
> > of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was
nothing
> > under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of taking
the
> > plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I don't think
it
> > was.
> >
> >>
> >> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
> >> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
> >> Series. They kick ***. I need to re-think my position on them.
> >
> > This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
> > performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every
car
> > that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph)
was
> > an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
> > still :-)
> >
> >>
> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
> >>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
> >>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
> >>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
> >>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week
has
> >>> me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big
time
> >>> on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had great
> >>> acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
> >>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
> >>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
> >>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
> >>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
> >>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
> >>>
> >>> Just thought I'd share...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ---
> >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
