L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Lon,
It was the cheap high octane leaded gasoline that made muscle cars
practical. And lead destroyed catalytic converters, a required part of
the Kalifornia SMOG for '70, forcing lower compression engines.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> American muscle cars died effective with the great
> emasculation in the 1971 models. The last good Camaro
> was the 370 hp solid liftered 350 in the 1970 Z-28.
> The denutting to allow the use of regular gas that was
> mandated in the next year pretty much killed the american
> auto industry and IMNHO it hasn't completely recovered.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I don't share your opinion of the America car as compared to
foreign crap. The only thing we copied from the foreign market is how to
make a car out of plastic, light enough so as a puny four cylinder could
pull it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> That was part of it. The other part is that many of the
> foreign performance cars already had effective fuel
> injection and engine management systems [well, more
> or less effective] and were able to use those to avoid
> total emasculation in 1971. Of course the rest of the
> foreign performance cars withered faster than a mimosa
> at a touchy-feely convention. e.g. the MG and like.
>
> American buyers were stuck with some really really really
> bad TBI type systems and cars that couldn't pull a drunk
> off a barstool, giving the foreign brands that had
> individual fuel injection systems an advantage that
> was tough to compete against.
>
> A 1971 Porsche was driveable. A 1971 Corvette was blasphemy
> of the brand.

Earle Horton

No, because the '85 that you are looking at is probably capable of the same
24 mpg as the '87 Monte Carlo that I owned. Even though the mid-eighties
"muscle cars" were not the same as the early seventies versions with their
400 inch plus power plants, they were lighter and still retained enough
horse power to weight ration to make driving to work fun. They were also
heavy enough and retained enough low engine speed torque to out class your
pasta burner any day.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:DGnZa.2077$gb2.17005729@news-text.cableinet.net...
> ??
>
> Do you class the IROC in the same league as the '71 Charger R/T, a 440
Olds
> or a 440 Plymouth Barracuda
> all of which could do the standing quarter at over 100mph ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bh4gid$uf35p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : There's nothing sadder than trying to help someone who just doesn't
> : understand muscle cars. :o(
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:O4fZa.1942$Cp5.15379470@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > I think I'll just keep my Alfa Milano (which looks like this one
except
> : its
> : > bright red)
> : >
> : > http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
> : >
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> message
> : > news:bh3rhv$tcoia$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : This is the spitting image of one I used to own.
> : > :
> : > :
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2427352771
> : > :
> : > : Earle
> : > :
> : > : "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> : message
> : > : news:bh3q15$ts0l6$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : > This is a white trash trailer park car. Look for a Monte Carlo SS
> : like
> : > I
> : > : > used to have. ;o)
> : > : >
> : > : > Earle
> : > : >
> : > : > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : > news:ukbZa.1737$IB3.14077059@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > > Anyone know what specifically to look out for on these ? Its
> selling
> : > for
> : > : > ~5K
> : > : > > USD and has the 305ci carb'd (holley) engine not the 305 tpi.
I'm
> : > : > > tempted... I gather they have weak gearboxes - this one has a
> : rebuilt
> : > : one.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Dave Milne

I appreciate that going round corners is not a pony car requirement, so lets
just say it goes ( 0-62 in 7 sec) in a straight line ; slow enough to get
cuffed by real muscle car, but faster than the 85 IROC.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bh6ept$v4ouq$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: No, because the '85 that you are looking at is probably capable of the
same
: 24 mpg as the '87 Monte Carlo that I owned. Even though the mid-eighties
: "muscle cars" were not the same as the early seventies versions with their
: 400 inch plus power plants, they were lighter and still retained enough
: horse power to weight ration to make driving to work fun. They were also
: heavy enough and retained enough low engine speed torque to out class your
: pasta burner any day.
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:DGnZa.2077$gb2.17005729@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > ??
: >
: > Do you class the IROC in the same league as the '71 Charger R/T, a 440
: Olds
: > or a 440 Plymouth Barracuda
: > all of which could do the standing quarter at over 100mph ?
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
: > news:bh4gid$uf35p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : There's nothing sadder than trying to help someone who just doesn't
: > : understand muscle cars. :o(
: > :
: > : Earle
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:O4fZa.1942$Cp5.15379470@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > I think I'll just keep my Alfa Milano (which looks like this one
: except
: > : its
: > : > bright red)
: > : >
: > : > http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
: > message
: > : > news:bh3rhv$tcoia$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : This is the spitting image of one I used to own.
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2427352771
: > : > :
: > : > : Earle
: > : > :
: > : > : "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
: > : message
: > : > : news:bh3q15$ts0l6$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > This is a white trash trailer park car. Look for a Monte Carlo
SS
: > : like
: > : > I
: > : > : > used to have. ;o)
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Earle
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:ukbZa.1737$IB3.14077059@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > > Anyone know what specifically to look out for on these ? Its
: > selling
: > : > for
: > : > : > ~5K
: > : > : > > USD and has the 305ci carb'd (holley) engine not the 305 tpi.
: I'm
: > : > : > > tempted... I gather they have weak gearboxes - this one has a
: > : rebuilt
: > : > : one.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > >
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Earle Horton

It's not about street drag racing. It's about class, style, and élan. The
Monte Carlo that I showed you has all of these. Even the Camaro has a
little. I am afraid that your Alfa... Well let's just say that it is not
even what Alfas used to be. This is I suppose why you will never understand
Harleys.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:eUzZa.2834$oQ7.22456512@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I appreciate that going round corners is not a pony car requirement, so
lets
> just say it goes ( 0-62 in 7 sec) in a straight line ; slow enough to get
> cuffed by real muscle car, but faster than the 85 IROC.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bh6ept$v4ouq$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : No, because the '85 that you are looking at is probably capable of the
> same
> : 24 mpg as the '87 Monte Carlo that I owned. Even though the
mid-eighties
> : "muscle cars" were not the same as the early seventies versions with
their
> : 400 inch plus power plants, they were lighter and still retained enough
> : horse power to weight ration to make driving to work fun. They were
also
> : heavy enough and retained enough low engine speed torque to out class
your
> : pasta burner any day.
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:DGnZa.2077$gb2.17005729@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > ??
> : >
> : > Do you class the IROC in the same league as the '71 Charger R/T, a
440
> : Olds
> : > or a 440 Plymouth Barracuda
> : > all of which could do the standing quarter at over 100mph ?
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> message
> : > news:bh4gid$uf35p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : There's nothing sadder than trying to help someone who just doesn't
> : > : understand muscle cars. :o(
> : > :
> : > : Earle
> : > :
> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : news:O4fZa.1942$Cp5.15379470@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > I think I'll just keep my Alfa Milano (which looks like this one
> : except
> : > : its
> : > : > bright red)
> : > : >
> : > : > http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> : > message
> : > : > news:bh3rhv$tcoia$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : > : This is the spitting image of one I used to own.
> : > : > :
> : > : > :
> : >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2427352771
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Earle
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote
in
> : > : message
> : > : > : news:bh3q15$ts0l6$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : > : > This is a white trash trailer park car. Look for a Monte
Carlo
> SS
> : > : like
> : > : > I
> : > : > : > used to have. ;o)
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > Earle
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : > : > news:ukbZa.1737$IB3.14077059@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > : > > Anyone know what specifically to look out for on these ? Its
> : > selling
> : > : > for
> : > : > : > ~5K
> : > : > : > > USD and has the 305ci carb'd (holley) engine not the 305
tpi.
> : I'm
> : > : > : > > tempted... I gather they have weak gearboxes - this one has
a
> : > : rebuilt
> : > : > : one.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > : > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : >
> : > : > :
> : > : > :
> : > : > :
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Dave Milne

Probably why I will never be a ricer either.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bh6q6d$ttm7p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: It's not about street drag racing. It's about class, style, and élan.
The
: Monte Carlo that I showed you has all of these. Even the Camaro has a
: little. I am afraid that your Alfa... Well let's just say that it is not
: even what Alfas used to be. This is I suppose why you will never
understand
: Harleys.
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:eUzZa.2834$oQ7.22456512@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I appreciate that going round corners is not a pony car requirement, so
: lets
: > just say it goes ( 0-62 in 7 sec) in a straight line ; slow enough to
get
: > cuffed by real muscle car, but faster than the 85 IROC.
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
: > news:bh6ept$v4ouq$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : No, because the '85 that you are looking at is probably capable of the
: > same
: > : 24 mpg as the '87 Monte Carlo that I owned. Even though the
: mid-eighties
: > : "muscle cars" were not the same as the early seventies versions with
: their
: > : 400 inch plus power plants, they were lighter and still retained
enough
: > : horse power to weight ration to make driving to work fun. They were
: also
: > : heavy enough and retained enough low engine speed torque to out class
: your
: > : pasta burner any day.
: > :
: > : Earle
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:DGnZa.2077$gb2.17005729@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > ??
: > : >
: > : > Do you class the IROC in the same league as the '71 Charger R/T, a
: 440
: > : Olds
: > : > or a 440 Plymouth Barracuda
: > : > all of which could do the standing quarter at over 100mph ?
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
: > message
: > : > news:bh4gid$uf35p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : There's nothing sadder than trying to help someone who just
doesn't
: > : > : understand muscle cars. :o(
: > : > :
: > : > : Earle
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:O4fZa.1942$Cp5.15379470@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > I think I'll just keep my Alfa Milano (which looks like this one
: > : except
: > : > : its
: > : > : > bright red)
: > : > : >
: > : > : > http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote
in
: > : > message
: > : > : > news:bh3rhv$tcoia$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : This is the spitting image of one I used to own.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > :
: > : >
: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2427352771
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Earle
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
wrote
: in
: > : > : message
: > : > : > : news:bh3q15$ts0l6$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : > This is a white trash trailer park car. Look for a Monte
: Carlo
: > SS
: > : > : like
: > : > : > I
: > : > : > : > used to have. ;o)
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > Earle
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : > : > news:ukbZa.1737$IB3.14077059@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > : > > Anyone know what specifically to look out for on these ?
Its
: > : > selling
: > : > : > for
: > : > : > : > ~5K
: > : > : > : > > USD and has the 305ci carb'd (holley) engine not the 305
: tpi.
: > : I'm
: > : > : > : > > tempted... I gather they have weak gearboxes - this one
has
: a
: > : > : rebuilt
: > : > : > : one.
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > : > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > :
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Dave Milne

Don't give up on me - I'll develop some when I get old and get a Harley to
fart around town tastefully with, impressing the youth with my élan and
panache.

:-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bh8d0p$eo5go$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: Yep, you just don't have enough class. ;o)
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:DTGZa.3001$dg3.23968910@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Probably why I will never be a ricer either.
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
: > news:bh6q6d$ttm7p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : It's not about street drag racing. It's about class, style, and élan.
: > The
: > : Monte Carlo that I showed you has all of these. Even the Camaro has a
: > : little. I am afraid that your Alfa... Well let's just say that it is
: not
: > : even what Alfas used to be. This is I suppose why you will never
: > understand
: > : Harleys.
: > :
: > : Earle
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:eUzZa.2834$oQ7.22456512@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > I appreciate that going round corners is not a pony car requirement,
: so
: > : lets
: > : > just say it goes ( 0-62 in 7 sec) in a straight line ; slow enough
to
: > get
: > : > cuffed by real muscle car, but faster than the 85 IROC.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
: > message
: > : > news:bh6ept$v4ouq$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : No, because the '85 that you are looking at is probably capable of
: the
: > : > same
: > : > : 24 mpg as the '87 Monte Carlo that I owned. Even though the
: > : mid-eighties
: > : > : "muscle cars" were not the same as the early seventies versions
with
: > : their
: > : > : 400 inch plus power plants, they were lighter and still retained
: > enough
: > : > : horse power to weight ration to make driving to work fun. They
were
: > : also
: > : > : heavy enough and retained enough low engine speed torque to out
: class
: > : your
: > : > : pasta burner any day.
: > : > :
: > : > : Earle
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:DGnZa.2077$gb2.17005729@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > ??
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Do you class the IROC in the same league as the '71 Charger
R/T,
: a
: > : 440
: > : > : Olds
: > : > : > or a 440 Plymouth Barracuda
: > : > : > all of which could do the standing quarter at over 100mph ?
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote
in
: > : > message
: > : > : > news:bh4gid$uf35p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : There's nothing sadder than trying to help someone who just
: > doesn't
: > : > : > : understand muscle cars. :o(
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Earle
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : > : news:O4fZa.1942$Cp5.15379470@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > : > I think I'll just keep my Alfa Milano (which looks like this
: one
: > : > : except
: > : > : > : its
: > : > : > : > bright red)
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
: wrote
: > in
: > : > : > message
: > : > : > : > news:bh3rhv$tcoia$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : > : This is the spitting image of one I used to own.
: > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > :
: > : > : >
: > :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2427352771
: > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : Earle
: > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
: > wrote
: > : in
: > : > : > : message
: > : > : > : > : news:bh3q15$ts0l6$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : > : > This is a white trash trailer park car. Look for a
Monte
: > : Carlo
: > : > SS
: > : > : > : like
: > : > : > : > I
: > : > : > : > : > used to have. ;o)
: > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > Earle
: > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : > : > : > news:ukbZa.1737$IB3.14077059@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > : > : > > Anyone know what specifically to look out for on these
?
: > Its
: > : > : > selling
: > : > : > : > for
: > : > : > : > : > ~5K
: > : > : > : > : > > USD and has the 305ci carb'd (holley) engine not the
: 305
: > : tpi.
: > : > : I'm
: > : > : > : > : > > tempted... I gather they have weak gearboxes - this
one
: > has
: > : a
: > : > : > : rebuilt
: > : > : > : > : one.
: > : > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > : > > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > : > : > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : > : > : > >
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Earle Horton

Dave, I think you should start with dance lessons. From there you can
graduate to listening to Blues music and hanging out in smoke filled bars,
dancing West Coast Swing. If Latin is more your style, then try Salsa. If
you do these things you will eventually realize the inadequacy of the Milano
to express true style, and the right vehicle will become obvious. You own a
Wrangler; you are not hopeless.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:0vVZa.3803$hR2.31520881@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Don't give up on me - I'll develop some when I get old and get a Harley to
> fart around town tastefully with, impressing the youth with my élan and
> panache.
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bh8d0p$eo5go$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : Yep, you just don't have enough class. ;o)
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:DTGZa.3001$dg3.23968910@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Probably why I will never be a ricer either.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> message
> : > news:bh6q6d$ttm7p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : It's not about street drag racing. It's about class, style, and
élan.
> : > The
> : > : Monte Carlo that I showed you has all of these. Even the Camaro has
a
> : > : little. I am afraid that your Alfa... Well let's just say that it
is
> : not
> : > : even what Alfas used to be. This is I suppose why you will never
> : > understand
> : > : Harleys.
> : > :
> : > : Earle
> : > :
> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : news:eUzZa.2834$oQ7.22456512@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > I appreciate that going round corners is not a pony car
requirement,
> : so
> : > : lets
> : > : > just say it goes ( 0-62 in 7 sec) in a straight line ; slow
enough
> to
> : > get
> : > : > cuffed by real muscle car, but faster than the 85 IROC.
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> : > message
> : > : > news:bh6ept$v4ouq$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : > : No, because the '85 that you are looking at is probably capable
of
> : the
> : > : > same
> : > : > : 24 mpg as the '87 Monte Carlo that I owned. Even though the
> : > : mid-eighties
> : > : > : "muscle cars" were not the same as the early seventies versions
> with
> : > : their
> : > : > : 400 inch plus power plants, they were lighter and still retained
> : > enough
> : > : > : horse power to weight ration to make driving to work fun. They
> were
> : > : also
> : > : > : heavy enough and retained enough low engine speed torque to out
> : class
> : > : your
> : > : > : pasta burner any day.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Earle
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : > : news:DGnZa.2077$gb2.17005729@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > : > ??
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > Do you class the IROC in the same league as the '71 Charger
> R/T,
> : a
> : > : 440
> : > : > : Olds
> : > : > : > or a 440 Plymouth Barracuda
> : > : > : > all of which could do the standing quarter at over 100mph ?
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
wrote
> in
> : > : > message
> : > : > : > news:bh4gid$uf35p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : > : > : There's nothing sadder than trying to help someone who just
> : > doesn't
> : > : > : > : understand muscle cars. :o(
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : Earle
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : > : > : news:O4fZa.1942$Cp5.15379470@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > : > : > I think I'll just keep my Alfa Milano (which looks like
this
> : one
> : > : > : except
> : > : > : > : its
> : > : > : > : > bright red)
> : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : > http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
> : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
> : wrote
> : > in
> : > : > : > message
> : > : > : > : > news:bh3rhv$tcoia$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : > : > : > : This is the spitting image of one I used to own.
> : > : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : > :
> : > : > : >
> : > :
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2427352771
> : > : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : > : Earle
> : > : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : > : "Earle Horton"
<enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
> : > wrote
> : > : in
> : > : > : > : message
> : > : > : > : > : news:bh3q15$ts0l6$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > : > : > : > : > This is a white trash trailer park car. Look for a
> Monte
> : > : Carlo
> : > : > SS
> : > : > : > : like
> : > : > : > : > I
> : > : > : > : > : > used to have. ;o)
> : > : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : > : > Earle
> : > : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : > : > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in
message
> : > : > : > : > : >
news:ukbZa.1737$IB3.14077059@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > : > : > : > > Anyone know what specifically to look out for on
these
> ?
> : > Its
> : > : > : > selling
> : > : > : > : > for
> : > : > : > : > : > ~5K
> : > : > : > : > : > > USD and has the 305ci carb'd (holley) engine not
the
> : 305
> : > : tpi.
> : > : > : I'm
> : > : > : > : > : > > tempted... I gather they have weak gearboxes - this
> one
> : > has
> : > : a
> : > : > : > : rebuilt
> : > : > : > : > : one.
> : > : > : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > : > : > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > : > : > : > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : > : > : > : > >
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Goat Crapp

my current ride traps over 100 ;) definitely not a muscle car tho.

i think IROC's are like muscle car 101... theyre the training wheels for the
obsession that is sure to develop (i spent too many years and money on a
failed GTO Judge project (failed because i ran out of money haha)

>??
>
>Do you class the IROC in the same league as the '71 Charger R/T, a 440 Olds
>or a 440 Plymouth Barracuda
>all of which could do the standing quarter at over 100mph ?

-Steve 98 TJ

Dave Milne

I'm not important enough yet to tint the windows. But, if I learn to dance
as well as you, perhaps I'll get into some A list panties, I mean parties
:-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bhh2qt$nu1a$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: I suppose if you painted it black and installed tinted windows it might be
: all right. ;o)
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:vyT_a.1885$8B7.12843174@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I come from classical music background ( went to a music school before I
: > decided I didnt want to be a professional musician ), but I like blues.
As
: > for the Milano, when a car drives that well, who cares what it looks
like
: !
: > It is a true wolf in sheep's clothing.
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
: > news:bh9dkr$vmtm5$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : Dave, I think you should start with dance lessons. From there you can
: > : graduate to listening to Blues music and hanging out in smoke filled
: bars,
: > : dancing West Coast Swing. If Latin is more your style, then try
Salsa.
: > If
: > : you do these things you will eventually realize the inadequacy of the
: > Milano
: > : to express true style, and the right vehicle will become obvious. You
: own
: > a
: > : Wrangler; you are not hopeless.
: > :
: > : Earle
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:0vVZa.3803$hR2.31520881@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > Don't give up on me - I'll develop some when I get old and get a
: Harley
: > to
: > : > fart around town tastefully with, impressing the youth with my élan
: and
: > : > panache.
: > : >
: > : > :-)
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
: > message
: > : > news:bh8d0p$eo5go$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : Yep, you just don't have enough class. ;o)
: > : > :
: > : > : Earle
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:DTGZa.3001$dg3.23968910@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > Probably why I will never be a ricer either.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote
in
: > : > message
: > : > : > news:bh6q6d$ttm7p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : It's not about street drag racing. It's about class, style,
and
: > : élan.
: > : > : > The
: > : > : > : Monte Carlo that I showed you has all of these. Even the
Camaro
: > has
: > : a
: > : > : > : little. I am afraid that your Alfa... Well let's just say
that
: > it
: > : is
: > : > : not
: > : > : > : even what Alfas used to be. This is I suppose why you will
: never
: > : > : > understand
: > : > : > : Harleys.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Earle
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : > : news:eUzZa.2834$oQ7.22456512@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > : > I appreciate that going round corners is not a pony car
: > : requirement,
: > : > : so
: > : > : > : lets
: > : > : > : > just say it goes ( 0-62 in 7 sec) in a straight line ; slow
: > : enough
: > : > to
: > : > : > get
: > : > : > : > cuffed by real muscle car, but faster than the 85 IROC.
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
: wrote
: > in
: > : > : > message
: > : > : > : > news:bh6ept$v4ouq$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : > : No, because the '85 that you are looking at is probably
: > capable
: > : of
: > : > : the
: > : > : > : > same
: > : > : > : > : 24 mpg as the '87 Monte Carlo that I owned. Even though
the
: > : > : > : mid-eighties
: > : > : > : > : "muscle cars" were not the same as the early seventies
: > versions
: > : > with
: > : > : > : their
: > : > : > : > : 400 inch plus power plants, they were lighter and still
: > retained
: > : > : > enough
: > : > : > : > : horse power to weight ration to make driving to work fun.
: > They
: > : > were
: > : > : > : also
: > : > : > : > : heavy enough and retained enough low engine speed torque
to
: > out
: > : > : class
: > : > : > : your
: > : > : > : > : pasta burner any day.
: > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : Earle
: > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : > : > : news:DGnZa.2077$gb2.17005729@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > : > : > ??
: > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > Do you class the IROC in the same league as the '71
: Charger
: > : > R/T,
: > : > : a
: > : > : > : 440
: > : > : > : > : Olds
: > : > : > : > : > or a 440 Plymouth Barracuda
: > : > : > : > : > all of which could do the standing quarter at over
100mph
: ?
: > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > "Earle Horton"
<enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
: > : wrote
: > : > in
: > : > : > : > message
: > : > : > : > : > news:bh4gid$uf35p$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : > : > : There's nothing sadder than trying to help someone who
: > just
: > : > : > doesn't
: > : > : > : > : > : understand muscle cars. :o(
: > : > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : > : Earle
: > : > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in
message
: > : > : > : > : > :
news:O4fZa.1942$Cp5.15379470@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > : > : > : > I think I'll just keep my Alfa Milano (which looks
: like
: > : this
: > : > : one
: > : > : > : > : except
: > : > : > : > : > : its
: > : > : > : > : > : > bright red)
: > : > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > : > http://phantom.urbis.net.il/alfa75/images/auto01.jpg
: > : > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > : > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > : > "Earle Horton"
: > <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
: > : > : wrote
: > : > : > in
: > : > : > : > : > message
: > : > : > : > : > : > news:bh3rhv$tcoia$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : > : > : > : This is the spitting image of one I used to own.
: > : > : > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > :
: > : >
: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2427352771
: > : > : > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : > : > : Earle
: > : > : > : > : > : > :
: > : > : > : > : > : > : "Earle Horton"
: > : <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com>
: > : > : > wrote
: > : > : > : in
: > : > : > : > : > : message
: > : > : > : > : > : > :
news:bh3q15$ts0l6$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > This is a white trash trailer park car. Look
for
: a
: > : > Monte
: > : > : > : Carlo
: > : > : > : > SS
: > : > : > : > : > : like
: > : > : > : > : > : > I
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > used to have. ;o)
: > : > : > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > Earle
: > : > : > : > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in
: > : message
: > : > : > : > : > : > : >
: > : news:ukbZa.1737$IB3.14077059@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > > Anyone know what specifically to look out for
on
: > : these
: > : > ?
: > : > : > Its
: > : > : > : > : > selling
: > : > : > : > : > : > for
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > ~5K
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > > USD and has the 305ci carb'd (holley) engine
: not
: > : the
: > : > : 305
: > : > : > : tpi.
: > : > : > : > : I'm
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > > tempted... I gather they have weak gearboxes -
: > this
: > : > one
: > : > : > has
: > : > : > : a
: > : > : > : > : > : rebuilt
: > : > : > : > : > : > : one.
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > : > : > : > : > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
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