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OT - bloody liberals..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US gallon, and the current road tax is £190. -- Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the
States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > to > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > -- > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the
States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > to > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > -- > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the
States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > to > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > -- > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the
States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > to > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > -- > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that
punch. On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:54:04 -0400, "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the >States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... > > >"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm >> >> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year >> to >> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher >> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US >> gallon, and the current road tax is £190. >> >> -- >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> >> > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that
punch. On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:54:04 -0400, "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the >States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... > > >"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm >> >> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year >> to >> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher >> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US >> gallon, and the current road tax is £190. >> >> -- >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> >> > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that
punch. On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:54:04 -0400, "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the >States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... > > >"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm >> >> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year >> to >> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher >> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US >> gallon, and the current road tax is £190. >> >> -- >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> >> > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that
punch. On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:54:04 -0400, "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the >States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... > > >"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm >> >> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year >> to >> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher >> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US >> gallon, and the current road tax is £190. >> >> -- >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> >> > |
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"Mark E. Bye" <fxdyna@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u2qod2pv34hsi9qk4gdgef9e2bmsfm0tkn@4ax.com... > Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that > punch. Keep drinking that KoolAid there bud.... |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Mark E. Bye" <fxdyna@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u2qod2pv34hsi9qk4gdgef9e2bmsfm0tkn@4ax.com... > Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that > punch. Keep drinking that KoolAid there bud.... |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Mark E. Bye" <fxdyna@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u2qod2pv34hsi9qk4gdgef9e2bmsfm0tkn@4ax.com... > Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that > punch. Keep drinking that KoolAid there bud.... |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Mark E. Bye" <fxdyna@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u2qod2pv34hsi9qk4gdgef9e2bmsfm0tkn@4ax.com... > Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that > punch. Keep drinking that KoolAid there bud.... |
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PM wrote: > "Mark E. Bye" <fxdyna@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:u2qod2pv34hsi9qk4gdgef9e2bmsfm0tkn@4ax.com... > > Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that > > punch. > If i lived in the UK I'd support the BNP. If enough did that "honest conservatism" would make a comeback.... |
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PM wrote: > "Mark E. Bye" <fxdyna@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:u2qod2pv34hsi9qk4gdgef9e2bmsfm0tkn@4ax.com... > > Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that > > punch. > If i lived in the UK I'd support the BNP. If enough did that "honest conservatism" would make a comeback.... |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
PM wrote: > "Mark E. Bye" <fxdyna@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:u2qod2pv34hsi9qk4gdgef9e2bmsfm0tkn@4ax.com... > > Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that > > punch. > If i lived in the UK I'd support the BNP. If enough did that "honest conservatism" would make a comeback.... |
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PM wrote: > "Mark E. Bye" <fxdyna@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:u2qod2pv34hsi9qk4gdgef9e2bmsfm0tkn@4ax.com... > > Naahhh... the facist, right-wing Republicans have beat them to that > > punch. > If i lived in the UK I'd support the BNP. If enough did that "honest conservatism" would make a comeback.... |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed
tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the common pot? When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see over the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, although there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in areas of heavy snowfall. A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to me didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel tax. Earle "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > -- > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed
tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the common pot? When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see over the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, although there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in areas of heavy snowfall. A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to me didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel tax. Earle "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > -- > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed
tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the common pot? When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see over the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, although there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in areas of heavy snowfall. A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to me didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel tax. Earle "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > -- > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed
tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the common pot? When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see over the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, although there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in areas of heavy snowfall. A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to me didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel tax. Earle "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > -- > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Not really, they just aren't as adept at destroying your way of life as
covertly as the neo-cons....they do it so well everyone lines up for them willingly. "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:a2e91$44dc45b6$48311eaf$29741@FUSE.NET... > The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the > States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm >> >> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year >> to >> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher >> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US >> gallon, and the current road tax is £190. >> >> -- >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> >> > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Not really, they just aren't as adept at destroying your way of life as
covertly as the neo-cons....they do it so well everyone lines up for them willingly. "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:a2e91$44dc45b6$48311eaf$29741@FUSE.NET... > The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the > States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm >> >> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year >> to >> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher >> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US >> gallon, and the current road tax is £190. >> >> -- >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> >> > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Not really, they just aren't as adept at destroying your way of life as
covertly as the neo-cons....they do it so well everyone lines up for them willingly. "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:a2e91$44dc45b6$48311eaf$29741@FUSE.NET... > The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the > States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm >> >> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year >> to >> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher >> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US >> gallon, and the current road tax is £190. >> >> -- >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> >> > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Not really, they just aren't as adept at destroying your way of life as
covertly as the neo-cons....they do it so well everyone lines up for them willingly. "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:a2e91$44dc45b6$48311eaf$29741@FUSE.NET... > The Liberal Demoncrats are trying to destroy our way of life here in the > States..... your group is just following the Politburo manifesto there.... > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm >> >> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year >> to >> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher >> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US >> gallon, and the current road tax is £190. >> >> -- >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> >> > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with an engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get in as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle. Dave "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the > common pot? > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see over > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, although > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in areas > of heavy snowfall. > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to me > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel > tax. > > Earle > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > to > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > > > -- > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with an engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get in as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle. Dave "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the > common pot? > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see over > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, although > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in areas > of heavy snowfall. > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to me > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel > tax. > > Earle > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > to > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > > > -- > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with an engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get in as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle. Dave "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the > common pot? > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see over > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, although > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in areas > of heavy snowfall. > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to me > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel > tax. > > Earle > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > to > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > > > -- > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with an engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get in as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle. Dave "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the > common pot? > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see over > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, although > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in areas > of heavy snowfall. > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to me > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel > tax. > > Earle > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > to > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > > > -- > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is one
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four adults in city traffic though. Earle "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. .. > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with an > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get in > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle. > > Dave > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the > > common pot? > > > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see > over > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, > although > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in > areas > > of heavy snowfall. > > > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". > > > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to > me > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel > > tax. > > > > Earle > > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > > to > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > > > > > -- > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is one
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four adults in city traffic though. Earle "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. .. > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with an > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get in > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle. > > Dave > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the > > common pot? > > > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see > over > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, > although > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in > areas > > of heavy snowfall. > > > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". > > > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to > me > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel > > tax. > > > > Earle > > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > > to > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > > > > > -- > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is one
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four adults in city traffic though. Earle "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. .. > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with an > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get in > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle. > > Dave > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the > > common pot? > > > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see > over > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, > although > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in > areas > > of heavy snowfall. > > > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". > > > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to > me > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel > > tax. > > > > Earle > > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > > to > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > > > > > -- > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is one
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four adults in city traffic though. Earle "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. .. > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with an > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get in > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle. > > Dave > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the proposed > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the purchaser > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into the > > common pot? > > > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see > over > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there, > although > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in > areas > > of heavy snowfall. > > > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running condition, > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even "a > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations". > > > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per passenger. > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next to > me > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on their > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel > > tax. > > > > Earle > > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm > > > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year > > to > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190. > > > > > > -- > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
conservative? |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
conservative? |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
conservative? |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
conservative? |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net... > Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a > conservative? > A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody liberals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone Earle |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net... > Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a > conservative? > A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody liberals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone Earle |
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net... > Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a > conservative? > A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody liberals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone Earle |
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