Opinions on wheel spacers
11-30-2003, 11:26 AM
#31
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Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
The further out that you mount a wheel from the bearing, the more strain
will be placed on it.. mounting over-wide tires on over-wide rims will have
the same effect.. differentials are always trying to get ahead of the wheels
that they are driving.. the driving wheels put excessive pressure on the
bearings as they drag behind the force being applied by the drive shafts..
the pivot point is essentially the bearings.. despite the advertized spacers
being suitable for Jeeps, spacers are a 'Rice Boy' accessories anyway..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:caoyb.21$Jv5.18199@news.uswest.net...
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
>
> Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
> it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
> suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
>
> I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
> at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
> properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
> the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
> normal shear loads.
>
> DougW wrote:
>
> > Shadow did pass the time by typing:
> >
> >>Group,
> >>
> >>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> >>
>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...1&category=426
14&item=2444355885
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >
> >
> > Well, the first question is why?
> >
> > Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> > cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> > since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> > when your wheel passes you up on the road.
> >
> > It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
> >
>
will be placed on it.. mounting over-wide tires on over-wide rims will have
the same effect.. differentials are always trying to get ahead of the wheels
that they are driving.. the driving wheels put excessive pressure on the
bearings as they drag behind the force being applied by the drive shafts..
the pivot point is essentially the bearings.. despite the advertized spacers
being suitable for Jeeps, spacers are a 'Rice Boy' accessories anyway..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:caoyb.21$Jv5.18199@news.uswest.net...
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
>
> Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
> it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
> suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
>
> I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
> at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
> properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
> the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
> normal shear loads.
>
> DougW wrote:
>
> > Shadow did pass the time by typing:
> >
> >>Group,
> >>
> >>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> >>
>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...1&category=426
14&item=2444355885
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >
> >
> > Well, the first question is why?
> >
> > Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> > cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> > since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> > when your wheel passes you up on the road.
> >
> > It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
> >
>
11-30-2003, 12:13 PM
#32
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Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
I purchased this type of spacer and the couldn't torque the lug nuts
past 65 ft lbs w/ 3 different type of lug nuts. I decided that they were
not safe for the road but keep them for when I might need to use chains
and need extra clearance for my air bags. I do feel I wasted my money.
Shadow wrote:
> Group,
>
> Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>
> Thanks
>
>
past 65 ft lbs w/ 3 different type of lug nuts. I decided that they were
not safe for the road but keep them for when I might need to use chains
and need extra clearance for my air bags. I do feel I wasted my money.
Shadow wrote:
> Group,
>
> Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>
> Thanks
>
>
11-30-2003, 12:13 PM
#33
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Posts: n/a
Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
I purchased this type of spacer and the couldn't torque the lug nuts
past 65 ft lbs w/ 3 different type of lug nuts. I decided that they were
not safe for the road but keep them for when I might need to use chains
and need extra clearance for my air bags. I do feel I wasted my money.
Shadow wrote:
> Group,
>
> Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>
> Thanks
>
>
past 65 ft lbs w/ 3 different type of lug nuts. I decided that they were
not safe for the road but keep them for when I might need to use chains
and need extra clearance for my air bags. I do feel I wasted my money.
Shadow wrote:
> Group,
>
> Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>
> Thanks
>
>
11-30-2003, 12:13 PM
#34
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Posts: n/a
Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
I purchased this type of spacer and the couldn't torque the lug nuts
past 65 ft lbs w/ 3 different type of lug nuts. I decided that they were
not safe for the road but keep them for when I might need to use chains
and need extra clearance for my air bags. I do feel I wasted my money.
Shadow wrote:
> Group,
>
> Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>
> Thanks
>
>
past 65 ft lbs w/ 3 different type of lug nuts. I decided that they were
not safe for the road but keep them for when I might need to use chains
and need extra clearance for my air bags. I do feel I wasted my money.
Shadow wrote:
> Group,
>
> Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>
> Thanks
>
>
11-30-2003, 12:17 PM
#35
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Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
Roy J did pass the time by typing:
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
It has to do with how torsion is transferred to the bearing.
Scuse the ASCII art. :)
__
| |
| |
| |=======
| |
|__|
^
Normal wheel puts load almost directly perpendicualr to the axle
in what is called shear force. There is very little torsion applied
to the bearings.
__
| |
| |_
| |_=======
| |
|__|
^
Stick on a spacer and the load gains a torsion component or the
equivelent of trying to bend the axle up. (dang this is hard to
explain with ascii)
How about this. Take a pencil, put it in your palm and close your hand
and hold the pencil horizontal. Now your hand is the bearing and the
pencil, the axle.
===( )
Lets put a wheel on that pencil.
Push up on the pencil right next to your hand.
===( )
^
Now a spacer.
Push up on the pencil end.
===( )
^
Notice the pencil is now trying to rotate your hand and you can
feel the load difference.
This is what spacers do to wheel bearings. They change a shear force
into a shear and torsion. The torsion is what eats the bearings.
Bearings will withstand a certain amount of torsion. Another problem
comes into effect when the torsion is too much for the axle and the
whole unit starts to distort. (You've probably seen the rice racers/
hotwheel cars with the bent rear axles.) Same thing, but they space
out by 4" and shouldn't be allowed on the roads. (personal opinion) ;)
--
DougW
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
It has to do with how torsion is transferred to the bearing.
Scuse the ASCII art. :)
__
| |
| |
| |=======
| |
|__|
^
Normal wheel puts load almost directly perpendicualr to the axle
in what is called shear force. There is very little torsion applied
to the bearings.
__
| |
| |_
| |_=======
| |
|__|
^
Stick on a spacer and the load gains a torsion component or the
equivelent of trying to bend the axle up. (dang this is hard to
explain with ascii)
How about this. Take a pencil, put it in your palm and close your hand
and hold the pencil horizontal. Now your hand is the bearing and the
pencil, the axle.
===( )
Lets put a wheel on that pencil.
Push up on the pencil right next to your hand.
===( )
^
Now a spacer.
Push up on the pencil end.
===( )
^
Notice the pencil is now trying to rotate your hand and you can
feel the load difference.
This is what spacers do to wheel bearings. They change a shear force
into a shear and torsion. The torsion is what eats the bearings.
Bearings will withstand a certain amount of torsion. Another problem
comes into effect when the torsion is too much for the axle and the
whole unit starts to distort. (You've probably seen the rice racers/
hotwheel cars with the bent rear axles.) Same thing, but they space
out by 4" and shouldn't be allowed on the roads. (personal opinion) ;)
--
DougW
11-30-2003, 12:17 PM
#36
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Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
Roy J did pass the time by typing:
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
It has to do with how torsion is transferred to the bearing.
Scuse the ASCII art. :)
__
| |
| |
| |=======
| |
|__|
^
Normal wheel puts load almost directly perpendicualr to the axle
in what is called shear force. There is very little torsion applied
to the bearings.
__
| |
| |_
| |_=======
| |
|__|
^
Stick on a spacer and the load gains a torsion component or the
equivelent of trying to bend the axle up. (dang this is hard to
explain with ascii)
How about this. Take a pencil, put it in your palm and close your hand
and hold the pencil horizontal. Now your hand is the bearing and the
pencil, the axle.
===( )
Lets put a wheel on that pencil.
Push up on the pencil right next to your hand.
===( )
^
Now a spacer.
Push up on the pencil end.
===( )
^
Notice the pencil is now trying to rotate your hand and you can
feel the load difference.
This is what spacers do to wheel bearings. They change a shear force
into a shear and torsion. The torsion is what eats the bearings.
Bearings will withstand a certain amount of torsion. Another problem
comes into effect when the torsion is too much for the axle and the
whole unit starts to distort. (You've probably seen the rice racers/
hotwheel cars with the bent rear axles.) Same thing, but they space
out by 4" and shouldn't be allowed on the roads. (personal opinion) ;)
--
DougW
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
It has to do with how torsion is transferred to the bearing.
Scuse the ASCII art. :)
__
| |
| |
| |=======
| |
|__|
^
Normal wheel puts load almost directly perpendicualr to the axle
in what is called shear force. There is very little torsion applied
to the bearings.
__
| |
| |_
| |_=======
| |
|__|
^
Stick on a spacer and the load gains a torsion component or the
equivelent of trying to bend the axle up. (dang this is hard to
explain with ascii)
How about this. Take a pencil, put it in your palm and close your hand
and hold the pencil horizontal. Now your hand is the bearing and the
pencil, the axle.
===( )
Lets put a wheel on that pencil.
Push up on the pencil right next to your hand.
===( )
^
Now a spacer.
Push up on the pencil end.
===( )
^
Notice the pencil is now trying to rotate your hand and you can
feel the load difference.
This is what spacers do to wheel bearings. They change a shear force
into a shear and torsion. The torsion is what eats the bearings.
Bearings will withstand a certain amount of torsion. Another problem
comes into effect when the torsion is too much for the axle and the
whole unit starts to distort. (You've probably seen the rice racers/
hotwheel cars with the bent rear axles.) Same thing, but they space
out by 4" and shouldn't be allowed on the roads. (personal opinion) ;)
--
DougW
11-30-2003, 12:17 PM
#37
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Posts: n/a
Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
Roy J did pass the time by typing:
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
It has to do with how torsion is transferred to the bearing.
Scuse the ASCII art. :)
__
| |
| |
| |=======
| |
|__|
^
Normal wheel puts load almost directly perpendicualr to the axle
in what is called shear force. There is very little torsion applied
to the bearings.
__
| |
| |_
| |_=======
| |
|__|
^
Stick on a spacer and the load gains a torsion component or the
equivelent of trying to bend the axle up. (dang this is hard to
explain with ascii)
How about this. Take a pencil, put it in your palm and close your hand
and hold the pencil horizontal. Now your hand is the bearing and the
pencil, the axle.
===( )
Lets put a wheel on that pencil.
Push up on the pencil right next to your hand.
===( )
^
Now a spacer.
Push up on the pencil end.
===( )
^
Notice the pencil is now trying to rotate your hand and you can
feel the load difference.
This is what spacers do to wheel bearings. They change a shear force
into a shear and torsion. The torsion is what eats the bearings.
Bearings will withstand a certain amount of torsion. Another problem
comes into effect when the torsion is too much for the axle and the
whole unit starts to distort. (You've probably seen the rice racers/
hotwheel cars with the bent rear axles.) Same thing, but they space
out by 4" and shouldn't be allowed on the roads. (personal opinion) ;)
--
DougW
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
It has to do with how torsion is transferred to the bearing.
Scuse the ASCII art. :)
__
| |
| |
| |=======
| |
|__|
^
Normal wheel puts load almost directly perpendicualr to the axle
in what is called shear force. There is very little torsion applied
to the bearings.
__
| |
| |_
| |_=======
| |
|__|
^
Stick on a spacer and the load gains a torsion component or the
equivelent of trying to bend the axle up. (dang this is hard to
explain with ascii)
How about this. Take a pencil, put it in your palm and close your hand
and hold the pencil horizontal. Now your hand is the bearing and the
pencil, the axle.
===( )
Lets put a wheel on that pencil.
Push up on the pencil right next to your hand.
===( )
^
Now a spacer.
Push up on the pencil end.
===( )
^
Notice the pencil is now trying to rotate your hand and you can
feel the load difference.
This is what spacers do to wheel bearings. They change a shear force
into a shear and torsion. The torsion is what eats the bearings.
Bearings will withstand a certain amount of torsion. Another problem
comes into effect when the torsion is too much for the axle and the
whole unit starts to distort. (You've probably seen the rice racers/
hotwheel cars with the bent rear axles.) Same thing, but they space
out by 4" and shouldn't be allowed on the roads. (personal opinion) ;)
--
DougW
11-30-2003, 12:39 PM
#38
Guest
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Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
is the same in relation to the bearing.
Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
normal shear loads.
DougW wrote:
> Shadow did pass the time by typing:
>
>>Group,
>>
>>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>>
>>Thanks
>
>
> Well, the first question is why?
>
> Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> when your wheel passes you up on the road.
>
> It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
>
stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
is the same in relation to the bearing.
Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
normal shear loads.
DougW wrote:
> Shadow did pass the time by typing:
>
>>Group,
>>
>>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>>
>>Thanks
>
>
> Well, the first question is why?
>
> Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> when your wheel passes you up on the road.
>
> It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
>
11-30-2003, 12:39 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
is the same in relation to the bearing.
Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
normal shear loads.
DougW wrote:
> Shadow did pass the time by typing:
>
>>Group,
>>
>>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>>
>>Thanks
>
>
> Well, the first question is why?
>
> Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> when your wheel passes you up on the road.
>
> It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
>
stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
is the same in relation to the bearing.
Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
normal shear loads.
DougW wrote:
> Shadow did pass the time by typing:
>
>>Group,
>>
>>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>>
>>Thanks
>
>
> Well, the first question is why?
>
> Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> when your wheel passes you up on the road.
>
> It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
>
11-30-2003, 12:39 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Opinions on wheel spacers
Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
is the same in relation to the bearing.
Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
normal shear loads.
DougW wrote:
> Shadow did pass the time by typing:
>
>>Group,
>>
>>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>>
>>Thanks
>
>
> Well, the first question is why?
>
> Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> when your wheel passes you up on the road.
>
> It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
>
stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
is the same in relation to the bearing.
Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
normal shear loads.
DougW wrote:
> Shadow did pass the time by typing:
>
>>Group,
>>
>>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444355885
>>
>>Thanks
>
>
> Well, the first question is why?
>
> Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> when your wheel passes you up on the road.
>
> It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
>
