Shadow

Thanks Group,

I am running stock 1997 Sahara Grizzly rims with BFG's AT 30 x 9.5 and I
wanted to add something to widen up the track. I Just bought the tires and
don't know that they would fit on wider rims. Hate to have to buy new tires
or wait till these wear out for the rims.

Rich

"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:_cayb.2761$vq1.1820@news01.roc.ny...
> What vehicle and axles are you running? As the above responses indicate,
> spacers this size are frowned upon. My Jeep has the narrow track axles,
so
> I put two inch spacers each side for trail stability. IMHO it was a great
> investment and improvement for my application. I only drive my Jeep about
> 2000 miles a year, most of which is trail or around town errands, so I
> don't worry about the addition bearing wear they speak of. If you
properly
> torque all lug nuts, inside and out, there is no risk of a wheel falling
> off.
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> "Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:Zh9yb.13586$iU5.4654657@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> > Group,
> >
> > Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=42614
> &item=2444355885
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
>

Shadow

Thanks Group,

I am running stock 1997 Sahara Grizzly rims with BFG's AT 30 x 9.5 and I
wanted to add something to widen up the track. I Just bought the tires and
don't know that they would fit on wider rims. Hate to have to buy new tires
or wait till these wear out for the rims.

Rich

"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:_cayb.2761$vq1.1820@news01.roc.ny...
> What vehicle and axles are you running? As the above responses indicate,
> spacers this size are frowned upon. My Jeep has the narrow track axles,
so
> I put two inch spacers each side for trail stability. IMHO it was a great
> investment and improvement for my application. I only drive my Jeep about
> 2000 miles a year, most of which is trail or around town errands, so I
> don't worry about the addition bearing wear they speak of. If you
properly
> torque all lug nuts, inside and out, there is no risk of a wheel falling
> off.
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> "Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:Zh9yb.13586$iU5.4654657@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> > Group,
> >
> > Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=42614
> &item=2444355885
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
>

JimG

Yes, every ten years when I replace my brake pads, I replace the lug nuts
whether they need it or not.

JimG

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FC93A45.9BF69B58@***.net...
> Of course you replace your lug bolts regularly as in the disclaimer
> at the bottom of this spacer sales page:
>
http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merc...TGY&Store_Code
=RE&Category_Code=WH
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > What vehicle and axles are you running? As the above responses
indicate,
> > spacers this size are frowned upon. My Jeep has the narrow track axles,
so
> > I put two inch spacers each side for trail stability. IMHO it was a
great
> > investment and improvement for my application. I only drive my Jeep
about
> > 2000 miles a year, most of which is trail or around town errands, so I
> > don't worry about the addition bearing wear they speak of. If you
properly
> > torque all lug nuts, inside and out, there is no risk of a wheel falling
> > off.
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> >
> > "Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:Zh9yb.13586$iU5.4654657@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> > >
> > >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=42614
> > &item=2444355885
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >

JimG

Yes, every ten years when I replace my brake pads, I replace the lug nuts
whether they need it or not.

JimG

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FC93A45.9BF69B58@***.net...
> Of course you replace your lug bolts regularly as in the disclaimer
> at the bottom of this spacer sales page:
>
http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merc...TGY&Store_Code
=RE&Category_Code=WH
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > What vehicle and axles are you running? As the above responses
indicate,
> > spacers this size are frowned upon. My Jeep has the narrow track axles,
so
> > I put two inch spacers each side for trail stability. IMHO it was a
great
> > investment and improvement for my application. I only drive my Jeep
about
> > 2000 miles a year, most of which is trail or around town errands, so I
> > don't worry about the addition bearing wear they speak of. If you
properly
> > torque all lug nuts, inside and out, there is no risk of a wheel falling
> > off.
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> >
> > "Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:Zh9yb.13586$iU5.4654657@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> > >
> > >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=42614
> > &item=2444355885
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >

JimG

Yes, every ten years when I replace my brake pads, I replace the lug nuts
whether they need it or not.

JimG

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FC93A45.9BF69B58@***.net...
> Of course you replace your lug bolts regularly as in the disclaimer
> at the bottom of this spacer sales page:
>
http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merc...TGY&Store_Code
=RE&Category_Code=WH
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
> >
> > What vehicle and axles are you running? As the above responses
indicate,
> > spacers this size are frowned upon. My Jeep has the narrow track axles,
so
> > I put two inch spacers each side for trail stability. IMHO it was a
great
> > investment and improvement for my application. I only drive my Jeep
about
> > 2000 miles a year, most of which is trail or around town errands, so I
> > don't worry about the addition bearing wear they speak of. If you
properly
> > torque all lug nuts, inside and out, there is no risk of a wheel falling
> > off.
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> >
> > "Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:Zh9yb.13586$iU5.4654657@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> > >
> > >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=42614
> > &item=2444355885
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >

TJim

Your 30x9.5s on Grizzly rims should work just fine. Why do you think you
need to widen the track? Spacers are generally considered to be a bad idea,
especially off road. I'd stick with what you have. If you go with a wider
tire, get a wheel with the correct back spacing (as much as you can use
without rubbing).

--
Jim

"Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:eXayb.15205$iU5.5100244@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> Thanks Group,
>
> I am running stock 1997 Sahara Grizzly rims with BFG's AT 30 x 9.5 and I
> wanted to add something to widen up the track. I Just bought the tires and
> don't know that they would fit on wider rims. Hate to have to buy new
tires
> or wait till these wear out for the rims.
>
> Rich
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:_cayb.2761$vq1.1820@news01.roc.ny...
> > What vehicle and axles are you running? As the above responses
indicate,
> > spacers this size are frowned upon. My Jeep has the narrow track axles,
> so
> > I put two inch spacers each side for trail stability. IMHO it was a
great
> > investment and improvement for my application. I only drive my Jeep
about
> > 2000 miles a year, most of which is trail or around town errands, so I
> > don't worry about the addition bearing wear they speak of. If you
> properly
> > torque all lug nuts, inside and out, there is no risk of a wheel falling
> > off.
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> >
> > "Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:Zh9yb.13586$iU5.4654657@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=42614
> > &item=2444355885
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

TJim

Your 30x9.5s on Grizzly rims should work just fine. Why do you think you
need to widen the track? Spacers are generally considered to be a bad idea,
especially off road. I'd stick with what you have. If you go with a wider
tire, get a wheel with the correct back spacing (as much as you can use
without rubbing).

--
Jim

"Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:eXayb.15205$iU5.5100244@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> Thanks Group,
>
> I am running stock 1997 Sahara Grizzly rims with BFG's AT 30 x 9.5 and I
> wanted to add something to widen up the track. I Just bought the tires and
> don't know that they would fit on wider rims. Hate to have to buy new
tires
> or wait till these wear out for the rims.
>
> Rich
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:_cayb.2761$vq1.1820@news01.roc.ny...
> > What vehicle and axles are you running? As the above responses
indicate,
> > spacers this size are frowned upon. My Jeep has the narrow track axles,
> so
> > I put two inch spacers each side for trail stability. IMHO it was a
great
> > investment and improvement for my application. I only drive my Jeep
about
> > 2000 miles a year, most of which is trail or around town errands, so I
> > don't worry about the addition bearing wear they speak of. If you
> properly
> > torque all lug nuts, inside and out, there is no risk of a wheel falling
> > off.
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> >
> > "Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:Zh9yb.13586$iU5.4654657@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=42614
> > &item=2444355885
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

TJim

Your 30x9.5s on Grizzly rims should work just fine. Why do you think you
need to widen the track? Spacers are generally considered to be a bad idea,
especially off road. I'd stick with what you have. If you go with a wider
tire, get a wheel with the correct back spacing (as much as you can use
without rubbing).

--
Jim

"Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:eXayb.15205$iU5.5100244@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> Thanks Group,
>
> I am running stock 1997 Sahara Grizzly rims with BFG's AT 30 x 9.5 and I
> wanted to add something to widen up the track. I Just bought the tires and
> don't know that they would fit on wider rims. Hate to have to buy new
tires
> or wait till these wear out for the rims.
>
> Rich
>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:_cayb.2761$vq1.1820@news01.roc.ny...
> > What vehicle and axles are you running? As the above responses
indicate,
> > spacers this size are frowned upon. My Jeep has the narrow track axles,
> so
> > I put two inch spacers each side for trail stability. IMHO it was a
great
> > investment and improvement for my application. I only drive my Jeep
about
> > 2000 miles a year, most of which is trail or around town errands, so I
> > don't worry about the addition bearing wear they speak of. If you
> properly
> > torque all lug nuts, inside and out, there is no risk of a wheel falling
> > off.
> > --
> > JimG
> > 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> > 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> > D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> > 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> > Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> > Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
> >
> > "Shadow" <shadow@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:Zh9yb.13586$iU5.4654657@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=42614
> > &item=2444355885
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mike Hall

The further out that you mount a wheel from the bearing, the more strain
will be placed on it.. mounting over-wide tires on over-wide rims will have
the same effect.. differentials are always trying to get ahead of the wheels
that they are driving.. the driving wheels put excessive pressure on the
bearings as they drag behind the force being applied by the drive shafts..
the pivot point is essentially the bearings.. despite the advertized spacers
being suitable for Jeeps, spacers are a 'Rice Boy' accessories anyway..

--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..

"Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:caoyb.21$Jv5.18199@news.uswest.net...
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
>
> Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
> it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
> suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
>
> I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
> at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
> properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
> the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
> normal shear loads.
>
> DougW wrote:
>
> > Shadow did pass the time by typing:
> >
> >>Group,
> >>
> >>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> >>
>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...1&category=426
14&item=2444355885
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >
> >
> > Well, the first question is why?
> >
> > Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> > cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> > since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> > when your wheel passes you up on the road.
> >
> > It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
> >
>

Mike Hall

The further out that you mount a wheel from the bearing, the more strain
will be placed on it.. mounting over-wide tires on over-wide rims will have
the same effect.. differentials are always trying to get ahead of the wheels
that they are driving.. the driving wheels put excessive pressure on the
bearings as they drag behind the force being applied by the drive shafts..
the pivot point is essentially the bearings.. despite the advertized spacers
being suitable for Jeeps, spacers are a 'Rice Boy' accessories anyway..

--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..

"Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:caoyb.21$Jv5.18199@news.uswest.net...
> Tell me one more time why using a wheel spacer puts any more
> stress on the wheel bearings than an equivilent offset wheel? In
> either case, the centerline of the tire (centerline of the load)
> is the same in relation to the bearing.
>
> Granted, moving the tire out stresses the outer bearing more than
> it normally gets and that offroad tends to do bad things to
> suspension but that is not the issue with your statement.
>
> I'm not in favor of using spacers, especially these 2" jobs, but
> at least this style bolts up tight and positions the wheel
> properly. The spacer only style (holes, no bolts) tend to bend
> the lug nuts since they have to take bending loads plus the
> normal shear loads.
>
> DougW wrote:
>
> > Shadow did pass the time by typing:
> >
> >>Group,
> >>
> >>Check these out. Would I be wasting my money?
> >>
>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...1&category=426
14&item=2444355885
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >
> >
> > Well, the first question is why?
> >
> > Spacers put an undue amount of stress on the wheel bearings and will
> > cause them to fail much quicker. The are also not the safest things
> > since they can loosen up and the first time you learn about it is
> > when your wheel passes you up on the road.
> >
> > It is always best to use rims with the proper backspacing.
> >
>