opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
12-31-2004, 12:38 AM
#31
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
Agreed. In years past, their reports were useful if for nothing else
than comparing features of various products. These days, they seem to
only tell you what stores to look in. I was a subscriber for many years,
and enjoyed the publication until about 1995 or so. After that, the
political rants and lack of useful information became overwhelming. I
think I finally let my subscription expire in 2000.
For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
these days, they suck.
Regards,
DAve
Lon wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say they were bought and paid for, as then you would
> presume that every now and then, they might accidentally get one
> right. I'd say it is more accurate they are strongly politically
> motivated and totally clueless on anything more complex than a
> toothpick.
>
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> Hi Matt,
>> Consumer magazine is bought and paid for. I've never read an
>> unbiased report by them. And the few products I am knowledgeable of,
>> they were totally WRONG! It's sometimes fun to see how quickly we can
>> spot which side their toast is buttered on. God Bless America,
>> ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> I remember Consumer Report's auto issue a few years back, it listed the
>>> Cherokee with a poor reliability rating even though the majority of its
>>> member-reported system by system ratings were average or better than
>>> average. In contrast, one of the Toyota models had worse than average
>>> system
>>> by system ratings but a better than average overall reliability rating.
than comparing features of various products. These days, they seem to
only tell you what stores to look in. I was a subscriber for many years,
and enjoyed the publication until about 1995 or so. After that, the
political rants and lack of useful information became overwhelming. I
think I finally let my subscription expire in 2000.
For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
these days, they suck.
Regards,
DAve
Lon wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say they were bought and paid for, as then you would
> presume that every now and then, they might accidentally get one
> right. I'd say it is more accurate they are strongly politically
> motivated and totally clueless on anything more complex than a
> toothpick.
>
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> Hi Matt,
>> Consumer magazine is bought and paid for. I've never read an
>> unbiased report by them. And the few products I am knowledgeable of,
>> they were totally WRONG! It's sometimes fun to see how quickly we can
>> spot which side their toast is buttered on. God Bless America,
>> ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> I remember Consumer Report's auto issue a few years back, it listed the
>>> Cherokee with a poor reliability rating even though the majority of its
>>> member-reported system by system ratings were average or better than
>>> average. In contrast, one of the Toyota models had worse than average
>>> system
>>> by system ratings but a better than average overall reliability rating.
12-31-2004, 09:58 AM
#32
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
Well, wouldn't you _WANT_ a vacuum cleaner tester to suck??
DaveW wrote:
> Agreed. In years past, their reports were useful if for nothing else
> than comparing features of various products. These days, they seem to
> only tell you what stores to look in. I was a subscriber for many years,
> and enjoyed the publication until about 1995 or so. After that, the
> political rants and lack of useful information became overwhelming. I
> think I finally let my subscription expire in 2000.
>
> For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> these days, they suck.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
rating.
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__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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DaveW wrote:
> Agreed. In years past, their reports were useful if for nothing else
> than comparing features of various products. These days, they seem to
> only tell you what stores to look in. I was a subscriber for many years,
> and enjoyed the publication until about 1995 or so. After that, the
> political rants and lack of useful information became overwhelming. I
> think I finally let my subscription expire in 2000.
>
> For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> these days, they suck.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
rating.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
12-31-2004, 09:58 AM
#33
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
Well, wouldn't you _WANT_ a vacuum cleaner tester to suck??
DaveW wrote:
> Agreed. In years past, their reports were useful if for nothing else
> than comparing features of various products. These days, they seem to
> only tell you what stores to look in. I was a subscriber for many years,
> and enjoyed the publication until about 1995 or so. After that, the
> political rants and lack of useful information became overwhelming. I
> think I finally let my subscription expire in 2000.
>
> For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> these days, they suck.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
rating.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
DaveW wrote:
> Agreed. In years past, their reports were useful if for nothing else
> than comparing features of various products. These days, they seem to
> only tell you what stores to look in. I was a subscriber for many years,
> and enjoyed the publication until about 1995 or so. After that, the
> political rants and lack of useful information became overwhelming. I
> think I finally let my subscription expire in 2000.
>
> For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> these days, they suck.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
rating.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
12-31-2004, 09:58 AM
#34
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
Well, wouldn't you _WANT_ a vacuum cleaner tester to suck??
DaveW wrote:
> Agreed. In years past, their reports were useful if for nothing else
> than comparing features of various products. These days, they seem to
> only tell you what stores to look in. I was a subscriber for many years,
> and enjoyed the publication until about 1995 or so. After that, the
> political rants and lack of useful information became overwhelming. I
> think I finally let my subscription expire in 2000.
>
> For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> these days, they suck.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
rating.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
DaveW wrote:
> Agreed. In years past, their reports were useful if for nothing else
> than comparing features of various products. These days, they seem to
> only tell you what stores to look in. I was a subscriber for many years,
> and enjoyed the publication until about 1995 or so. After that, the
> political rants and lack of useful information became overwhelming. I
> think I finally let my subscription expire in 2000.
>
> For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> these days, they suck.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
rating.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
12-31-2004, 10:59 AM
#35
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
:-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
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> Well, wouldn't you _WANT_ a vacuum cleaner tester to suck??
>
> DaveW wrote:
> > For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> > avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> > these days, they suck.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:uOdBd.4457$F67.2933@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Well, wouldn't you _WANT_ a vacuum cleaner tester to suck??
>
> DaveW wrote:
> > For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> > avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> > these days, they suck.
12-31-2004, 10:59 AM
#36
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
:-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:uOdBd.4457$F67.2933@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Well, wouldn't you _WANT_ a vacuum cleaner tester to suck??
>
> DaveW wrote:
> > For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> > avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> > these days, they suck.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:uOdBd.4457$F67.2933@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Well, wouldn't you _WANT_ a vacuum cleaner tester to suck??
>
> DaveW wrote:
> > For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> > avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> > these days, they suck.
12-31-2004, 10:59 AM
#37
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
:-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:uOdBd.4457$F67.2933@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Well, wouldn't you _WANT_ a vacuum cleaner tester to suck??
>
> DaveW wrote:
> > For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> > avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> > these days, they suck.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:uOdBd.4457$F67.2933@newssvr12.news.prodigy.co m...
> Well, wouldn't you _WANT_ a vacuum cleaner tester to suck??
>
> DaveW wrote:
> > For some reason, they seem to test vacuum cleaners almost monthly, but
> > avoid some other common household items. I came to the conclusion that
> > these days, they suck.
12-31-2004, 12:10 PM
#38
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
handywired@aol.com (Handywired) wrote:
>So... how do cherokees hold up once they get some miles piled on 'em? I'd get
>the 4.0L with the auto tranny most likely.
92 XJ Laredo, 4.0 auto - 220,000 miles (not km). Total maint/repair
cost since new a little over $5000, including things like tires, state
inspection, etc. (Yes, I keep a ------sheet :-) ) Only engine repairs
were new radiator (upgrade), water pump, oil pump. Best vehicle I've
ever owned, still runs strong. I'm looking for another (newer) one for
the missus.
-Ed
>So... how do cherokees hold up once they get some miles piled on 'em? I'd get
>the 4.0L with the auto tranny most likely.
92 XJ Laredo, 4.0 auto - 220,000 miles (not km). Total maint/repair
cost since new a little over $5000, including things like tires, state
inspection, etc. (Yes, I keep a ------sheet :-) ) Only engine repairs
were new radiator (upgrade), water pump, oil pump. Best vehicle I've
ever owned, still runs strong. I'm looking for another (newer) one for
the missus.
-Ed
12-31-2004, 12:10 PM
#39
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
handywired@aol.com (Handywired) wrote:
>So... how do cherokees hold up once they get some miles piled on 'em? I'd get
>the 4.0L with the auto tranny most likely.
92 XJ Laredo, 4.0 auto - 220,000 miles (not km). Total maint/repair
cost since new a little over $5000, including things like tires, state
inspection, etc. (Yes, I keep a ------sheet :-) ) Only engine repairs
were new radiator (upgrade), water pump, oil pump. Best vehicle I've
ever owned, still runs strong. I'm looking for another (newer) one for
the missus.
-Ed
>So... how do cherokees hold up once they get some miles piled on 'em? I'd get
>the 4.0L with the auto tranny most likely.
92 XJ Laredo, 4.0 auto - 220,000 miles (not km). Total maint/repair
cost since new a little over $5000, including things like tires, state
inspection, etc. (Yes, I keep a ------sheet :-) ) Only engine repairs
were new radiator (upgrade), water pump, oil pump. Best vehicle I've
ever owned, still runs strong. I'm looking for another (newer) one for
the missus.
-Ed
12-31-2004, 12:10 PM
#40
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Re: opinions on cheap, older, high-miles Cherokees
handywired@aol.com (Handywired) wrote:
>So... how do cherokees hold up once they get some miles piled on 'em? I'd get
>the 4.0L with the auto tranny most likely.
92 XJ Laredo, 4.0 auto - 220,000 miles (not km). Total maint/repair
cost since new a little over $5000, including things like tires, state
inspection, etc. (Yes, I keep a ------sheet :-) ) Only engine repairs
were new radiator (upgrade), water pump, oil pump. Best vehicle I've
ever owned, still runs strong. I'm looking for another (newer) one for
the missus.
-Ed
>So... how do cherokees hold up once they get some miles piled on 'em? I'd get
>the 4.0L with the auto tranny most likely.
92 XJ Laredo, 4.0 auto - 220,000 miles (not km). Total maint/repair
cost since new a little over $5000, including things like tires, state
inspection, etc. (Yes, I keep a ------sheet :-) ) Only engine repairs
were new radiator (upgrade), water pump, oil pump. Best vehicle I've
ever owned, still runs strong. I'm looking for another (newer) one for
the missus.
-Ed