Steve

Hi Bob,

Be very careful with the braking trick or this might happen to you:

http://geocities.com/snatchbuckle/

It got me unstuck a few times, but I had to learn the hard way not to
overdo it.

Don't worry about frequent 2HI/4HI shifts at any legal speed. Remember
that windup is not an issue on straight sections. If the bare patches
are in the minority, the drive train can unwind when you're back on the
snow.

Steve


Bob wrote:
> Thanks for the info folks, I guess I was expecting a little more traction
> than I'm getting; I'll try the braking trick, sounds excellent! I just moved
> to the snow, and I've been driving my rear-wheel drive car around, and I
> expected the Jeep to have at least that much traction in 2wd...but I suppose
> the rear end is pretty light. What worried me about it is that before I
> bought it I didn't know about the difference between Command and Select
> Trac - I thought all Jeep 4x4's had a differential between the front and
> rear axels. My concern has been when you are driving on a snowy section
> you'd have it in 4H, but then if you hit a bare patch you have to shift it
> to 2H so as not to wind up the transfer case. I'm sure I'll just get used to
> it. It's old but in excellent condition, I'm going to order a 2-3" lift kit
> and put maybe 31" tires on, I can't wait to use it up in the Rockies! Thanks
> again,
>
> Bob

Steve

Hi Bob,

Be very careful with the braking trick or this might happen to you:

http://geocities.com/snatchbuckle/

It got me unstuck a few times, but I had to learn the hard way not to
overdo it.

Don't worry about frequent 2HI/4HI shifts at any legal speed. Remember
that windup is not an issue on straight sections. If the bare patches
are in the minority, the drive train can unwind when you're back on the
snow.

Steve


Bob wrote:
> Thanks for the info folks, I guess I was expecting a little more traction
> than I'm getting; I'll try the braking trick, sounds excellent! I just moved
> to the snow, and I've been driving my rear-wheel drive car around, and I
> expected the Jeep to have at least that much traction in 2wd...but I suppose
> the rear end is pretty light. What worried me about it is that before I
> bought it I didn't know about the difference between Command and Select
> Trac - I thought all Jeep 4x4's had a differential between the front and
> rear axels. My concern has been when you are driving on a snowy section
> you'd have it in 4H, but then if you hit a bare patch you have to shift it
> to 2H so as not to wind up the transfer case. I'm sure I'll just get used to
> it. It's old but in excellent condition, I'm going to order a 2-3" lift kit
> and put maybe 31" tires on, I can't wait to use it up in the Rockies! Thanks
> again,
>
> Bob

Mike Romain

I don't get your point.

Those photos are not clear enough to show anything except a Jeep and
snow.

Mike

Steve wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Be very careful with the braking trick or this might happen to you:
>
> http://geocities.com/snatchbuckle/
>
> It got me unstuck a few times, but I had to learn the hard way not to
> overdo it.
>
> Don't worry about frequent 2HI/4HI shifts at any legal speed. Remember
> that windup is not an issue on straight sections. If the bare patches
> are in the minority, the drive train can unwind when you're back on the
> snow.
>
> Steve
>
> Bob wrote:
> > Thanks for the info folks, I guess I was expecting a little more traction
> > than I'm getting; I'll try the braking trick, sounds excellent! I just moved
> > to the snow, and I've been driving my rear-wheel drive car around, and I
> > expected the Jeep to have at least that much traction in 2wd...but I suppose
> > the rear end is pretty light. What worried me about it is that before I
> > bought it I didn't know about the difference between Command and Select
> > Trac - I thought all Jeep 4x4's had a differential between the front and
> > rear axels. My concern has been when you are driving on a snowy section
> > you'd have it in 4H, but then if you hit a bare patch you have to shift it
> > to 2H so as not to wind up the transfer case. I'm sure I'll just get used to
> > it. It's old but in excellent condition, I'm going to order a 2-3" lift kit
> > and put maybe 31" tires on, I can't wait to use it up in the Rockies! Thanks
> > again,
> >
> > Bob

Mike Romain

I don't get your point.

Those photos are not clear enough to show anything except a Jeep and
snow.

Mike

Steve wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Be very careful with the braking trick or this might happen to you:
>
> http://geocities.com/snatchbuckle/
>
> It got me unstuck a few times, but I had to learn the hard way not to
> overdo it.
>
> Don't worry about frequent 2HI/4HI shifts at any legal speed. Remember
> that windup is not an issue on straight sections. If the bare patches
> are in the minority, the drive train can unwind when you're back on the
> snow.
>
> Steve
>
> Bob wrote:
> > Thanks for the info folks, I guess I was expecting a little more traction
> > than I'm getting; I'll try the braking trick, sounds excellent! I just moved
> > to the snow, and I've been driving my rear-wheel drive car around, and I
> > expected the Jeep to have at least that much traction in 2wd...but I suppose
> > the rear end is pretty light. What worried me about it is that before I
> > bought it I didn't know about the difference between Command and Select
> > Trac - I thought all Jeep 4x4's had a differential between the front and
> > rear axels. My concern has been when you are driving on a snowy section
> > you'd have it in 4H, but then if you hit a bare patch you have to shift it
> > to 2H so as not to wind up the transfer case. I'm sure I'll just get used to
> > it. It's old but in excellent condition, I'm going to order a 2-3" lift kit
> > and put maybe 31" tires on, I can't wait to use it up in the Rockies! Thanks
> > again,
> >
> > Bob

Mike Romain

I don't get your point.

Those photos are not clear enough to show anything except a Jeep and
snow.

Mike

Steve wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Be very careful with the braking trick or this might happen to you:
>
> http://geocities.com/snatchbuckle/
>
> It got me unstuck a few times, but I had to learn the hard way not to
> overdo it.
>
> Don't worry about frequent 2HI/4HI shifts at any legal speed. Remember
> that windup is not an issue on straight sections. If the bare patches
> are in the minority, the drive train can unwind when you're back on the
> snow.
>
> Steve
>
> Bob wrote:
> > Thanks for the info folks, I guess I was expecting a little more traction
> > than I'm getting; I'll try the braking trick, sounds excellent! I just moved
> > to the snow, and I've been driving my rear-wheel drive car around, and I
> > expected the Jeep to have at least that much traction in 2wd...but I suppose
> > the rear end is pretty light. What worried me about it is that before I
> > bought it I didn't know about the difference between Command and Select
> > Trac - I thought all Jeep 4x4's had a differential between the front and
> > rear axels. My concern has been when you are driving on a snowy section
> > you'd have it in 4H, but then if you hit a bare patch you have to shift it
> > to 2H so as not to wind up the transfer case. I'm sure I'll just get used to
> > it. It's old but in excellent condition, I'm going to order a 2-3" lift kit
> > and put maybe 31" tires on, I can't wait to use it up in the Rockies! Thanks
> > again,
> >
> > Bob

Mike Hall

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4030FF51.B201B570@sympatico.ca...
> No issues using 4x4 just like any other shift, I do it all the time
> around here.
>
> Going straight also isn't hard on Command Trac, it's turning corners on
> dry that causes problems so hitting the dry and waiting or needing a
> minute before shifting back to 2 wheel drive isn't an issue.
>
> You also might want to use 2 wheel drive at intersections if you plan on
> turning. If your tires are too wide, they will get up on top of the
> snow and float and it will want to go straight.
>
> I made a mistake and put too wide of tire on our Cherokee. I went up to
> a wide tread BFG AT P235's and they handle very poorly compared to the
> skinny tread Hercules Terra trac P225's we had on there before.
>
> All brands are not equal for tread width. The BFG's are a 'lot' wider
> than some other brands of the same size.
>
> Same deal with our two Jeeps. My tall skinny mud tires can run circles
> around my wide AT tires in the snow.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Good point about reverse pulling it down, I had forgot about that. I
just
> > always think of reverse as a higher ratio than 1st, which was why it
didn't
> > make sense to me. I'd love to leave it in 4wd on the roads here, but
there
> > are so many bare patches mixed with ice here, after reading posts about
the
> > Command-Trac I'm worried I'll blow the transfer case out on the first
one I
> > hit. I know you can shift on the fly but is it bad to keep going back
and
> > forth at city speeds?
> >
> > "Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:N96Yb.2055$w65.202611@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > >
> > > I must be missing something here.. you bought a 4x4 so that you could
use
> > > 4x4 in snow? So use 4x4 in snow.. most 2wd vehicles will spin a wheel
in
> > > snow if started in 1st gear.. that is why most start in 2nd gear and
light
> > > gas pedal.. but you should know that as you admit to being a 4x4
newbie
> > > which suggests that you are a 2wd oldie.. reverse and 1st gear are
> > different
> > > ratios so of course there will be a difference.. also, in reverse,
the
> > > torque produced by the direction of rotation of the wheels, will pull
the
> > > rear of the vehicle down which helps transfer weight from front to
rear so
> > > traction will be marginally improved..
> > >

Selectrac and Hercules Terra Trac Touring Ltds here.. they may not look
beefy and are not rock crawler material by any stretch of the imagination,
but they sure as hell propel the GC through any kind of snow.. have been in
fulltime 4x4 since October..

Mike Hall

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4030FF51.B201B570@sympatico.ca...
> No issues using 4x4 just like any other shift, I do it all the time
> around here.
>
> Going straight also isn't hard on Command Trac, it's turning corners on
> dry that causes problems so hitting the dry and waiting or needing a
> minute before shifting back to 2 wheel drive isn't an issue.
>
> You also might want to use 2 wheel drive at intersections if you plan on
> turning. If your tires are too wide, they will get up on top of the
> snow and float and it will want to go straight.
>
> I made a mistake and put too wide of tire on our Cherokee. I went up to
> a wide tread BFG AT P235's and they handle very poorly compared to the
> skinny tread Hercules Terra trac P225's we had on there before.
>
> All brands are not equal for tread width. The BFG's are a 'lot' wider
> than some other brands of the same size.
>
> Same deal with our two Jeeps. My tall skinny mud tires can run circles
> around my wide AT tires in the snow.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Good point about reverse pulling it down, I had forgot about that. I
just
> > always think of reverse as a higher ratio than 1st, which was why it
didn't
> > make sense to me. I'd love to leave it in 4wd on the roads here, but
there
> > are so many bare patches mixed with ice here, after reading posts about
the
> > Command-Trac I'm worried I'll blow the transfer case out on the first
one I
> > hit. I know you can shift on the fly but is it bad to keep going back
and
> > forth at city speeds?
> >
> > "Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:N96Yb.2055$w65.202611@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > >
> > > I must be missing something here.. you bought a 4x4 so that you could
use
> > > 4x4 in snow? So use 4x4 in snow.. most 2wd vehicles will spin a wheel
in
> > > snow if started in 1st gear.. that is why most start in 2nd gear and
light
> > > gas pedal.. but you should know that as you admit to being a 4x4
newbie
> > > which suggests that you are a 2wd oldie.. reverse and 1st gear are
> > different
> > > ratios so of course there will be a difference.. also, in reverse,
the
> > > torque produced by the direction of rotation of the wheels, will pull
the
> > > rear of the vehicle down which helps transfer weight from front to
rear so
> > > traction will be marginally improved..
> > >

Selectrac and Hercules Terra Trac Touring Ltds here.. they may not look
beefy and are not rock crawler material by any stretch of the imagination,
but they sure as hell propel the GC through any kind of snow.. have been in
fulltime 4x4 since October..

Mike Hall

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4030FF51.B201B570@sympatico.ca...
> No issues using 4x4 just like any other shift, I do it all the time
> around here.
>
> Going straight also isn't hard on Command Trac, it's turning corners on
> dry that causes problems so hitting the dry and waiting or needing a
> minute before shifting back to 2 wheel drive isn't an issue.
>
> You also might want to use 2 wheel drive at intersections if you plan on
> turning. If your tires are too wide, they will get up on top of the
> snow and float and it will want to go straight.
>
> I made a mistake and put too wide of tire on our Cherokee. I went up to
> a wide tread BFG AT P235's and they handle very poorly compared to the
> skinny tread Hercules Terra trac P225's we had on there before.
>
> All brands are not equal for tread width. The BFG's are a 'lot' wider
> than some other brands of the same size.
>
> Same deal with our two Jeeps. My tall skinny mud tires can run circles
> around my wide AT tires in the snow.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Good point about reverse pulling it down, I had forgot about that. I
just
> > always think of reverse as a higher ratio than 1st, which was why it
didn't
> > make sense to me. I'd love to leave it in 4wd on the roads here, but
there
> > are so many bare patches mixed with ice here, after reading posts about
the
> > Command-Trac I'm worried I'll blow the transfer case out on the first
one I
> > hit. I know you can shift on the fly but is it bad to keep going back
and
> > forth at city speeds?
> >
> > "Mike Hall" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:N96Yb.2055$w65.202611@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > >
> > > I must be missing something here.. you bought a 4x4 so that you could
use
> > > 4x4 in snow? So use 4x4 in snow.. most 2wd vehicles will spin a wheel
in
> > > snow if started in 1st gear.. that is why most start in 2nd gear and
light
> > > gas pedal.. but you should know that as you admit to being a 4x4
newbie
> > > which suggests that you are a 2wd oldie.. reverse and 1st gear are
> > different
> > > ratios so of course there will be a difference.. also, in reverse,
the
> > > torque produced by the direction of rotation of the wheels, will pull
the
> > > rear of the vehicle down which helps transfer weight from front to
rear so
> > > traction will be marginally improved..
> > >

Selectrac and Hercules Terra Trac Touring Ltds here.. they may not look
beefy and are not rock crawler material by any stretch of the imagination,
but they sure as hell propel the GC through any kind of snow.. have been in
fulltime 4x4 since October..

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

The perches broke loose from the axle. I has nothing to do with his
driving habits, just a welding failure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I don't get your point.
>
> Those photos are not clear enough to show anything except a Jeep and
> snow.
>
> Mike

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

The perches broke loose from the axle. I has nothing to do with his
driving habits, just a welding failure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I don't get your point.
>
> Those photos are not clear enough to show anything except a Jeep and
> snow.
>
> Mike