One Less WJ On The Road
05-11-2006, 07:18 AM
#91
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
Yikes. That's scary. 5mph? I think something went majorly wrong
in the car's design.
Unless something else also happened in that 5mph test that made the
sensor think it was going two to three times as fast...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag#Airbag_design
/herb
In article <44624B03.2599633A@***.net>,
L.W.(Bill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
# http://www.----------.com/temp/5mphAirbagDeploy.jpg
# God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
#mailto:--------------------
#
#Herb Leong wrote:
#>
#> Hi Bill!
#>
#> You have a newer WJ, 2002 or later, right? My 1999 does not have that.
#> You probably have two front Jesus bars on the D pillars next to the front
#> windshield. I have only one front Jesus bar on the passenger side and it
#> is in the same position relative to the holder as your rear seat Jesus
#> bars. If you had the front Jesus bar located near the head as on the
#> earlier WJs, it would smack your head when it deployed.
#>
#> As far as where the control module is located, it's not relavent. It
#> takes a impact to the car that would crush up the bumper into the engine
#> compartment to activate the front airbags...
#>
#> /herb
05-11-2006, 07:27 AM
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
In article <4461ee59$0$23792$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com >,
Earle Horton <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
#One thing I learned in EMT class, is that the way to get killed in a
#rollover, is by being ejected from the vehicle. The original purpose of
#seat belts was to keep people inside the vehicle, where ninety-nine times
#out of a hundred it is safer, than flying out the window. Later, after they
#figured out that people were hitting their heads on the dash, padded
#dashboard and shoulder belts were added. Even later, when they figured out
#that some people would always refuse to do what was good for them, air bags
#and automatic tightening shoulder belts were added. If you have ever seen
#the film clip, of a pyrotechnic shoulder belt tensioner going off, with an
#auto manufacturer executive strapped in, well it doesn't get much better
#than that, filmwise. Rollovers are slow, compared to head on collisions.
#Air bags would be of limited value, since they deflate almost immediately
#after use.
#
#Earle
So they may not have deployed even if they were there.
Kinda makes sense. When I got left hanging upside down, it felt
slow. I thought it was fight/flight stress reflex making me think
time had slowed. Maybe it was slowly turning over.
/herb
Earle Horton <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
#One thing I learned in EMT class, is that the way to get killed in a
#rollover, is by being ejected from the vehicle. The original purpose of
#seat belts was to keep people inside the vehicle, where ninety-nine times
#out of a hundred it is safer, than flying out the window. Later, after they
#figured out that people were hitting their heads on the dash, padded
#dashboard and shoulder belts were added. Even later, when they figured out
#that some people would always refuse to do what was good for them, air bags
#and automatic tightening shoulder belts were added. If you have ever seen
#the film clip, of a pyrotechnic shoulder belt tensioner going off, with an
#auto manufacturer executive strapped in, well it doesn't get much better
#than that, filmwise. Rollovers are slow, compared to head on collisions.
#Air bags would be of limited value, since they deflate almost immediately
#after use.
#
#Earle
So they may not have deployed even if they were there.
Kinda makes sense. When I got left hanging upside down, it felt
slow. I thought it was fight/flight stress reflex making me think
time had slowed. Maybe it was slowly turning over.
/herb
05-11-2006, 07:27 AM
#93
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
In article <4461ee59$0$23792$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com >,
Earle Horton <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
#One thing I learned in EMT class, is that the way to get killed in a
#rollover, is by being ejected from the vehicle. The original purpose of
#seat belts was to keep people inside the vehicle, where ninety-nine times
#out of a hundred it is safer, than flying out the window. Later, after they
#figured out that people were hitting their heads on the dash, padded
#dashboard and shoulder belts were added. Even later, when they figured out
#that some people would always refuse to do what was good for them, air bags
#and automatic tightening shoulder belts were added. If you have ever seen
#the film clip, of a pyrotechnic shoulder belt tensioner going off, with an
#auto manufacturer executive strapped in, well it doesn't get much better
#than that, filmwise. Rollovers are slow, compared to head on collisions.
#Air bags would be of limited value, since they deflate almost immediately
#after use.
#
#Earle
So they may not have deployed even if they were there.
Kinda makes sense. When I got left hanging upside down, it felt
slow. I thought it was fight/flight stress reflex making me think
time had slowed. Maybe it was slowly turning over.
/herb
Earle Horton <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
#One thing I learned in EMT class, is that the way to get killed in a
#rollover, is by being ejected from the vehicle. The original purpose of
#seat belts was to keep people inside the vehicle, where ninety-nine times
#out of a hundred it is safer, than flying out the window. Later, after they
#figured out that people were hitting their heads on the dash, padded
#dashboard and shoulder belts were added. Even later, when they figured out
#that some people would always refuse to do what was good for them, air bags
#and automatic tightening shoulder belts were added. If you have ever seen
#the film clip, of a pyrotechnic shoulder belt tensioner going off, with an
#auto manufacturer executive strapped in, well it doesn't get much better
#than that, filmwise. Rollovers are slow, compared to head on collisions.
#Air bags would be of limited value, since they deflate almost immediately
#after use.
#
#Earle
So they may not have deployed even if they were there.
Kinda makes sense. When I got left hanging upside down, it felt
slow. I thought it was fight/flight stress reflex making me think
time had slowed. Maybe it was slowly turning over.
/herb
05-11-2006, 07:27 AM
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
In article <4461ee59$0$23792$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com >,
Earle Horton <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
#One thing I learned in EMT class, is that the way to get killed in a
#rollover, is by being ejected from the vehicle. The original purpose of
#seat belts was to keep people inside the vehicle, where ninety-nine times
#out of a hundred it is safer, than flying out the window. Later, after they
#figured out that people were hitting their heads on the dash, padded
#dashboard and shoulder belts were added. Even later, when they figured out
#that some people would always refuse to do what was good for them, air bags
#and automatic tightening shoulder belts were added. If you have ever seen
#the film clip, of a pyrotechnic shoulder belt tensioner going off, with an
#auto manufacturer executive strapped in, well it doesn't get much better
#than that, filmwise. Rollovers are slow, compared to head on collisions.
#Air bags would be of limited value, since they deflate almost immediately
#after use.
#
#Earle
So they may not have deployed even if they were there.
Kinda makes sense. When I got left hanging upside down, it felt
slow. I thought it was fight/flight stress reflex making me think
time had slowed. Maybe it was slowly turning over.
/herb
Earle Horton <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
#One thing I learned in EMT class, is that the way to get killed in a
#rollover, is by being ejected from the vehicle. The original purpose of
#seat belts was to keep people inside the vehicle, where ninety-nine times
#out of a hundred it is safer, than flying out the window. Later, after they
#figured out that people were hitting their heads on the dash, padded
#dashboard and shoulder belts were added. Even later, when they figured out
#that some people would always refuse to do what was good for them, air bags
#and automatic tightening shoulder belts were added. If you have ever seen
#the film clip, of a pyrotechnic shoulder belt tensioner going off, with an
#auto manufacturer executive strapped in, well it doesn't get much better
#than that, filmwise. Rollovers are slow, compared to head on collisions.
#Air bags would be of limited value, since they deflate almost immediately
#after use.
#
#Earle
So they may not have deployed even if they were there.
Kinda makes sense. When I got left hanging upside down, it felt
slow. I thought it was fight/flight stress reflex making me think
time had slowed. Maybe it was slowly turning over.
/herb
05-11-2006, 07:35 AM
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
In article <ei946297l7s4qdfbvpqc0nlpavgvm3cesq@4ax.com>,
Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote:
#On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:23:45 -0500, herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong)
#wrote:
#> It is lucky that you two did not get a sun roof. It would have
#> been a extra source of glass chunks and a extra entry point for
#> other bits and chunks to go flying in from.
#
#Actually, it does have a sun roof... Surprisingly, it didn't break...
I took another look at your pics and, wow. That is surprising.
When I did not see a hole on the roof I just thought it did not
have a sun roof.
That glass is not normal window glass, from the caved in/pushed out
ones that I have seen. I saw one that was pulled/kicked out half way
on a honda on the way to work. The car was otherwise intact and was
doing the speed limit. That got some heads turned.
/herb
Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote:
#On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:23:45 -0500, herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong)
#wrote:
#> It is lucky that you two did not get a sun roof. It would have
#> been a extra source of glass chunks and a extra entry point for
#> other bits and chunks to go flying in from.
#
#Actually, it does have a sun roof... Surprisingly, it didn't break...
I took another look at your pics and, wow. That is surprising.
When I did not see a hole on the roof I just thought it did not
have a sun roof.
That glass is not normal window glass, from the caved in/pushed out
ones that I have seen. I saw one that was pulled/kicked out half way
on a honda on the way to work. The car was otherwise intact and was
doing the speed limit. That got some heads turned.
/herb
05-11-2006, 07:35 AM
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
In article <ei946297l7s4qdfbvpqc0nlpavgvm3cesq@4ax.com>,
Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote:
#On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:23:45 -0500, herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong)
#wrote:
#> It is lucky that you two did not get a sun roof. It would have
#> been a extra source of glass chunks and a extra entry point for
#> other bits and chunks to go flying in from.
#
#Actually, it does have a sun roof... Surprisingly, it didn't break...
I took another look at your pics and, wow. That is surprising.
When I did not see a hole on the roof I just thought it did not
have a sun roof.
That glass is not normal window glass, from the caved in/pushed out
ones that I have seen. I saw one that was pulled/kicked out half way
on a honda on the way to work. The car was otherwise intact and was
doing the speed limit. That got some heads turned.
/herb
Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote:
#On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:23:45 -0500, herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong)
#wrote:
#> It is lucky that you two did not get a sun roof. It would have
#> been a extra source of glass chunks and a extra entry point for
#> other bits and chunks to go flying in from.
#
#Actually, it does have a sun roof... Surprisingly, it didn't break...
I took another look at your pics and, wow. That is surprising.
When I did not see a hole on the roof I just thought it did not
have a sun roof.
That glass is not normal window glass, from the caved in/pushed out
ones that I have seen. I saw one that was pulled/kicked out half way
on a honda on the way to work. The car was otherwise intact and was
doing the speed limit. That got some heads turned.
/herb
05-11-2006, 07:35 AM
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
In article <ei946297l7s4qdfbvpqc0nlpavgvm3cesq@4ax.com>,
Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote:
#On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:23:45 -0500, herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong)
#wrote:
#> It is lucky that you two did not get a sun roof. It would have
#> been a extra source of glass chunks and a extra entry point for
#> other bits and chunks to go flying in from.
#
#Actually, it does have a sun roof... Surprisingly, it didn't break...
I took another look at your pics and, wow. That is surprising.
When I did not see a hole on the roof I just thought it did not
have a sun roof.
That glass is not normal window glass, from the caved in/pushed out
ones that I have seen. I saw one that was pulled/kicked out half way
on a honda on the way to work. The car was otherwise intact and was
doing the speed limit. That got some heads turned.
/herb
Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote:
#On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:23:45 -0500, herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong)
#wrote:
#> It is lucky that you two did not get a sun roof. It would have
#> been a extra source of glass chunks and a extra entry point for
#> other bits and chunks to go flying in from.
#
#Actually, it does have a sun roof... Surprisingly, it didn't break...
I took another look at your pics and, wow. That is surprising.
When I did not see a hole on the roof I just thought it did not
have a sun roof.
That glass is not normal window glass, from the caved in/pushed out
ones that I have seen. I saw one that was pulled/kicked out half way
on a honda on the way to work. The car was otherwise intact and was
doing the speed limit. That got some heads turned.
/herb
05-11-2006, 07:42 AM
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
Herb Leong wrote:
>
>
> Actualy, it is the same here in the States. Wranglers just don't
> depreciate as quickly as many other cars. It's probably the resale
> demand/novelty factor as you mentioned.
You got that right!
My wife's '99 TJ and her sister's loaded V8 & leather Grand Cherokee
have nearly identical mileage and conditions. The TJ is worth ~ $1000
more on every web appraiser I've tried.
Compare the prices of the two vehicles when new, and it's apparent the
GC owner is getting creamed.
>
>
> Actualy, it is the same here in the States. Wranglers just don't
> depreciate as quickly as many other cars. It's probably the resale
> demand/novelty factor as you mentioned.
You got that right!
My wife's '99 TJ and her sister's loaded V8 & leather Grand Cherokee
have nearly identical mileage and conditions. The TJ is worth ~ $1000
more on every web appraiser I've tried.
Compare the prices of the two vehicles when new, and it's apparent the
GC owner is getting creamed.
05-11-2006, 07:42 AM
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
Herb Leong wrote:
>
>
> Actualy, it is the same here in the States. Wranglers just don't
> depreciate as quickly as many other cars. It's probably the resale
> demand/novelty factor as you mentioned.
You got that right!
My wife's '99 TJ and her sister's loaded V8 & leather Grand Cherokee
have nearly identical mileage and conditions. The TJ is worth ~ $1000
more on every web appraiser I've tried.
Compare the prices of the two vehicles when new, and it's apparent the
GC owner is getting creamed.
>
>
> Actualy, it is the same here in the States. Wranglers just don't
> depreciate as quickly as many other cars. It's probably the resale
> demand/novelty factor as you mentioned.
You got that right!
My wife's '99 TJ and her sister's loaded V8 & leather Grand Cherokee
have nearly identical mileage and conditions. The TJ is worth ~ $1000
more on every web appraiser I've tried.
Compare the prices of the two vehicles when new, and it's apparent the
GC owner is getting creamed.
05-11-2006, 07:42 AM
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Re: One Less WJ On The Road
Herb Leong wrote:
>
>
> Actualy, it is the same here in the States. Wranglers just don't
> depreciate as quickly as many other cars. It's probably the resale
> demand/novelty factor as you mentioned.
You got that right!
My wife's '99 TJ and her sister's loaded V8 & leather Grand Cherokee
have nearly identical mileage and conditions. The TJ is worth ~ $1000
more on every web appraiser I've tried.
Compare the prices of the two vehicles when new, and it's apparent the
GC owner is getting creamed.
>
>
> Actualy, it is the same here in the States. Wranglers just don't
> depreciate as quickly as many other cars. It's probably the resale
> demand/novelty factor as you mentioned.
You got that right!
My wife's '99 TJ and her sister's loaded V8 & leather Grand Cherokee
have nearly identical mileage and conditions. The TJ is worth ~ $1000
more on every web appraiser I've tried.
Compare the prices of the two vehicles when new, and it's apparent the
GC owner is getting creamed.
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