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Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
I need advice on which way to go on this.
I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted to post these to see what you guys think.. Thanks, Bill http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Have you got a problem Oil Ring on that cylinder?
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Have you got a problem Oil Ring on that cylinder?
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Have you got a problem Oil Ring on that cylinder?
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
wow! that's a lot of oil. was the head torqued down correctly? how does the
head gasket look? it could be coming from the valve guides. when you remove the head gasket, check for runout on the mating surface of the block and head. it the engine overheated at one point, the head could be warped and not sealing very well. "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
wow! that's a lot of oil. was the head torqued down correctly? how does the
head gasket look? it could be coming from the valve guides. when you remove the head gasket, check for runout on the mating surface of the block and head. it the engine overheated at one point, the head could be warped and not sealing very well. "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
wow! that's a lot of oil. was the head torqued down correctly? how does the
head gasket look? it could be coming from the valve guides. when you remove the head gasket, check for runout on the mating surface of the block and head. it the engine overheated at one point, the head could be warped and not sealing very well. "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Well, here are the things I noticed.
The head bolts, some (a couple) had rust to a degree which made me question the quality of the ability to retain a torque. Others (about 60% were ok with a thin film of some kind of oil. The others were heavily satuated with this funky oil. Man, this stuff stinks like the funk of 40,000 years. I don't know if this is normal or not or where this oil comes from. I looked at the valves on #2 and they feel pretty snug there. It felt ok, both exhaust and intake. I look at the cylinders and they "feel" good to the touch. Smooth. On the edge at the area between the cylinders (on the top rim of the cylinder wall at the area where two cylinders are closest) there is some crusty, looks like carbon. The gasket looks good as far as I can tell. There is a "wet" area around #2 bleeding out to the driver's side of the engine. Anything else I can look for on this? Thanks, Bill "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:7EU_b.2311$oL.1032@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ... > wow! that's a lot of oil. was the head torqued down correctly? how does the > head gasket look? it could be coming from the valve guides. when you > remove the head gasket, check for runout on the mating surface of the block > and head. it the engine overheated at one point, the head could be warped > and not sealing very well. > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message > news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh > 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I > wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > > > > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Well, here are the things I noticed.
The head bolts, some (a couple) had rust to a degree which made me question the quality of the ability to retain a torque. Others (about 60% were ok with a thin film of some kind of oil. The others were heavily satuated with this funky oil. Man, this stuff stinks like the funk of 40,000 years. I don't know if this is normal or not or where this oil comes from. I looked at the valves on #2 and they feel pretty snug there. It felt ok, both exhaust and intake. I look at the cylinders and they "feel" good to the touch. Smooth. On the edge at the area between the cylinders (on the top rim of the cylinder wall at the area where two cylinders are closest) there is some crusty, looks like carbon. The gasket looks good as far as I can tell. There is a "wet" area around #2 bleeding out to the driver's side of the engine. Anything else I can look for on this? Thanks, Bill "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:7EU_b.2311$oL.1032@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ... > wow! that's a lot of oil. was the head torqued down correctly? how does the > head gasket look? it could be coming from the valve guides. when you > remove the head gasket, check for runout on the mating surface of the block > and head. it the engine overheated at one point, the head could be warped > and not sealing very well. > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message > news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh > 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I > wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > > > > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Well, here are the things I noticed.
The head bolts, some (a couple) had rust to a degree which made me question the quality of the ability to retain a torque. Others (about 60% were ok with a thin film of some kind of oil. The others were heavily satuated with this funky oil. Man, this stuff stinks like the funk of 40,000 years. I don't know if this is normal or not or where this oil comes from. I looked at the valves on #2 and they feel pretty snug there. It felt ok, both exhaust and intake. I look at the cylinders and they "feel" good to the touch. Smooth. On the edge at the area between the cylinders (on the top rim of the cylinder wall at the area where two cylinders are closest) there is some crusty, looks like carbon. The gasket looks good as far as I can tell. There is a "wet" area around #2 bleeding out to the driver's side of the engine. Anything else I can look for on this? Thanks, Bill "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:7EU_b.2311$oL.1032@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ... > wow! that's a lot of oil. was the head torqued down correctly? how does the > head gasket look? it could be coming from the valve guides. when you > remove the head gasket, check for runout on the mating surface of the block > and head. it the engine overheated at one point, the head could be warped > and not sealing very well. > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message > news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh > 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I > wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > > > > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Show those pictures to the shop that told you had a hundred and
sixty pounds across. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ William Oliveri wrote: > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Show those pictures to the shop that told you had a hundred and
sixty pounds across. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ William Oliveri wrote: > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Show those pictures to the shop that told you had a hundred and
sixty pounds across. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ William Oliveri wrote: > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
It looks like your #2 cyl has oil in it.
Brad. Just kidding - to get that much unburned oil in the cylinder you must have faulty rings or very poorly seating valves and valve seals. Not much other way to get oil in the cylinder. I would first start with the valves and give them a very close visual inspection and slowly disassemble the intake valve and check for any possible leak. If you don't find one it will more than likely be in your rings on the piston. good luck- Brad. "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
It looks like your #2 cyl has oil in it.
Brad. Just kidding - to get that much unburned oil in the cylinder you must have faulty rings or very poorly seating valves and valve seals. Not much other way to get oil in the cylinder. I would first start with the valves and give them a very close visual inspection and slowly disassemble the intake valve and check for any possible leak. If you don't find one it will more than likely be in your rings on the piston. good luck- Brad. "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
It looks like your #2 cyl has oil in it.
Brad. Just kidding - to get that much unburned oil in the cylinder you must have faulty rings or very poorly seating valves and valve seals. Not much other way to get oil in the cylinder. I would first start with the valves and give them a very close visual inspection and slowly disassemble the intake valve and check for any possible leak. If you don't find one it will more than likely be in your rings on the piston. good luck- Brad. "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:c1h29t$1iov3t$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de... > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what Ifound
William Oliveri wrote:
> I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > Bill, My first gut instinct is that you've blown your rings in that jug. I had a BMW that looked like that and when I yanked out the cylinder in question, the rings all fell out in tiny pieces. Despite the fact that all the rings were broken in several places, there was no visible scarring of the cylinder walls. I re-ringed it and gently honed the jugsnas well as sticking in new main & rod bearings (just in case) and drove that motor for another 150,000 miles before it finally blew (and we're talking BLEW). Cheers, - Jeff G |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what Ifound
William Oliveri wrote:
> I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > Bill, My first gut instinct is that you've blown your rings in that jug. I had a BMW that looked like that and when I yanked out the cylinder in question, the rings all fell out in tiny pieces. Despite the fact that all the rings were broken in several places, there was no visible scarring of the cylinder walls. I re-ringed it and gently honed the jugsnas well as sticking in new main & rod bearings (just in case) and drove that motor for another 150,000 miles before it finally blew (and we're talking BLEW). Cheers, - Jeff G |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what Ifound
William Oliveri wrote:
> I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg > > Bill, My first gut instinct is that you've blown your rings in that jug. I had a BMW that looked like that and when I yanked out the cylinder in question, the rings all fell out in tiny pieces. Despite the fact that all the rings were broken in several places, there was no visible scarring of the cylinder walls. I re-ringed it and gently honed the jugsnas well as sticking in new main & rod bearings (just in case) and drove that motor for another 150,000 miles before it finally blew (and we're talking BLEW). Cheers, - Jeff G |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Well the funny thing is is I got the same results on a cold engine 150 psi
which is what they told me. Bill "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:403C254B.547DE005@cox.net... > Show those pictures to the shop that told you had a hundred and > sixty pounds across. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Well the funny thing is is I got the same results on a cold engine 150 psi
which is what they told me. Bill "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:403C254B.547DE005@cox.net... > Show those pictures to the shop that told you had a hundred and > sixty pounds across. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Well the funny thing is is I got the same results on a cold engine 150 psi
which is what they told me. Bill "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:403C254B.547DE005@cox.net... > Show those pictures to the shop that told you had a hundred and > sixty pounds across. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Didn't he say he checked and got the same readings???
I'm with you; I don't see HOW he got those numbers - unless that "oil" is tar and he was checking dead cold, so cold the oil on the gasket held the pressure (not likely!). On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:32:11 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote: > Show those pictures to the shop that told you had a hundred and > sixty pounds across. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg -- Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net> |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Didn't he say he checked and got the same readings???
I'm with you; I don't see HOW he got those numbers - unless that "oil" is tar and he was checking dead cold, so cold the oil on the gasket held the pressure (not likely!). On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:32:11 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote: > Show those pictures to the shop that told you had a hundred and > sixty pounds across. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg -- Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net> |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
Didn't he say he checked and got the same readings???
I'm with you; I don't see HOW he got those numbers - unless that "oil" is tar and he was checking dead cold, so cold the oil on the gasket held the pressure (not likely!). On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:32:11 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote: > Show those pictures to the shop that told you had a hundred and > sixty pounds across. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg -- Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net> |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what Ifound
Only this time you installed the rings into the cylinder and gaped
them so they would have something to expand into. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bubba Kahuna wrote: > > Bill, > My first gut instinct is that you've blown your rings in that jug. > I had a BMW that looked like that and when I yanked out the cylinder in > question, the rings all fell out in tiny pieces. Despite the fact that > all the rings were broken in several places, there was no visible > scarring of the cylinder walls. I re-ringed it and gently honed the > jugsnas well as sticking in new main & rod bearings (just in case) and > drove that motor for another 150,000 miles before it finally blew (and > we're talking BLEW). > > Cheers, > - Jeff G |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what Ifound
Only this time you installed the rings into the cylinder and gaped
them so they would have something to expand into. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bubba Kahuna wrote: > > Bill, > My first gut instinct is that you've blown your rings in that jug. > I had a BMW that looked like that and when I yanked out the cylinder in > question, the rings all fell out in tiny pieces. Despite the fact that > all the rings were broken in several places, there was no visible > scarring of the cylinder walls. I re-ringed it and gently honed the > jugsnas well as sticking in new main & rod bearings (just in case) and > drove that motor for another 150,000 miles before it finally blew (and > we're talking BLEW). > > Cheers, > - Jeff G |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what Ifound
Only this time you installed the rings into the cylinder and gaped
them so they would have something to expand into. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bubba Kahuna wrote: > > Bill, > My first gut instinct is that you've blown your rings in that jug. > I had a BMW that looked like that and when I yanked out the cylinder in > question, the rings all fell out in tiny pieces. Despite the fact that > all the rings were broken in several places, there was no visible > scarring of the cylinder walls. I re-ringed it and gently honed the > jugsnas well as sticking in new main & rod bearings (just in case) and > drove that motor for another 150,000 miles before it finally blew (and > we're talking BLEW). > > Cheers, > - Jeff G |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
I will take a real close close up look tomorrow when I down load and
magnify, but that looks like gas wash to me. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's William Oliveri wrote: > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
I will take a real close close up look tomorrow when I down load and
magnify, but that looks like gas wash to me. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's William Oliveri wrote: > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
I will take a real close close up look tomorrow when I down load and
magnify, but that looks like gas wash to me. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's William Oliveri wrote: > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
If there are no scratches/gouges in the cyl wall, then you got off easy. The
dark area between 2 and 4 show an area where the gasket was leaking a bit, and would have blown. I would have the head checked for warpage, and probably shaved before installation. Pop the valve springs off, check the guides for wear by wiggling the valves. Have the machinst check it too, chances are they are acceptable. What you really have is bad oil rings. If you hone the cyl walls, you will get some abrasive in the engine, so you will have to flush it out with a lot of carb cleaner, and will never get all of it, but that's what a filter is for. Oil in the cyl raises compression, so that jug could have tested higher or the same as the others, but I would not expect a lower reading. Nice pics, i have to get a good digicam. That "old headbolt" smell, can't seem to forget it. -- Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
If there are no scratches/gouges in the cyl wall, then you got off easy. The
dark area between 2 and 4 show an area where the gasket was leaking a bit, and would have blown. I would have the head checked for warpage, and probably shaved before installation. Pop the valve springs off, check the guides for wear by wiggling the valves. Have the machinst check it too, chances are they are acceptable. What you really have is bad oil rings. If you hone the cyl walls, you will get some abrasive in the engine, so you will have to flush it out with a lot of carb cleaner, and will never get all of it, but that's what a filter is for. Oil in the cyl raises compression, so that jug could have tested higher or the same as the others, but I would not expect a lower reading. Nice pics, i have to get a good digicam. That "old headbolt" smell, can't seem to forget it. -- Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
If there are no scratches/gouges in the cyl wall, then you got off easy. The
dark area between 2 and 4 show an area where the gasket was leaking a bit, and would have blown. I would have the head checked for warpage, and probably shaved before installation. Pop the valve springs off, check the guides for wear by wiggling the valves. Have the machinst check it too, chances are they are acceptable. What you really have is bad oil rings. If you hone the cyl walls, you will get some abrasive in the engine, so you will have to flush it out with a lot of carb cleaner, and will never get all of it, but that's what a filter is for. Oil in the cyl raises compression, so that jug could have tested higher or the same as the others, but I would not expect a lower reading. Nice pics, i have to get a good digicam. That "old headbolt" smell, can't seem to forget it. -- Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
That same distinctive burnt oil smell is at the differential caps
too. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Paul Calman wrote: > > If there are no scratches/gouges in the cyl wall, then you got off easy. The > dark area between 2 and 4 show an area where the gasket was leaking a bit, > and would have blown. I would have the head checked for warpage, and > probably shaved before installation. Pop the valve springs off, check the > guides for wear by wiggling the valves. Have the machinst check it too, > chances are they are acceptable. What you really have is bad oil rings. If > you hone the cyl walls, you will get some abrasive in the engine, so you > will have to flush it out with a lot of carb cleaner, and will never get all > of it, but that's what a filter is for. Oil in the cyl raises compression, > so that jug could have tested higher or the same as the others, but I would > not expect a lower reading. > Nice pics, i have to get a good digicam. That "old headbolt" smell, can't > seem to forget it. > > -- > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
That same distinctive burnt oil smell is at the differential caps
too. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Paul Calman wrote: > > If there are no scratches/gouges in the cyl wall, then you got off easy. The > dark area between 2 and 4 show an area where the gasket was leaking a bit, > and would have blown. I would have the head checked for warpage, and > probably shaved before installation. Pop the valve springs off, check the > guides for wear by wiggling the valves. Have the machinst check it too, > chances are they are acceptable. What you really have is bad oil rings. If > you hone the cyl walls, you will get some abrasive in the engine, so you > will have to flush it out with a lot of carb cleaner, and will never get all > of it, but that's what a filter is for. Oil in the cyl raises compression, > so that jug could have tested higher or the same as the others, but I would > not expect a lower reading. > Nice pics, i have to get a good digicam. That "old headbolt" smell, can't > seem to forget it. > > -- > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
That same distinctive burnt oil smell is at the differential caps
too. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Paul Calman wrote: > > If there are no scratches/gouges in the cyl wall, then you got off easy. The > dark area between 2 and 4 show an area where the gasket was leaking a bit, > and would have blown. I would have the head checked for warpage, and > probably shaved before installation. Pop the valve springs off, check the > guides for wear by wiggling the valves. Have the machinst check it too, > chances are they are acceptable. What you really have is bad oil rings. If > you hone the cyl walls, you will get some abrasive in the engine, so you > will have to flush it out with a lot of carb cleaner, and will never get all > of it, but that's what a filter is for. Oil in the cyl raises compression, > so that jug could have tested higher or the same as the others, but I would > not expect a lower reading. > Nice pics, i have to get a good digicam. That "old headbolt" smell, can't > seem to forget it. > > -- > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
I'd be interested in that response and would like to learn how you could
tell that it was a gas wash if it is. Thanks, Bill "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:403C3F0C.BFDA46@sympatico.ca... > I will take a real close close up look tomorrow when I down load and > magnify, but that looks like gas wash to me. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
I'd be interested in that response and would like to learn how you could
tell that it was a gas wash if it is. Thanks, Bill "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:403C3F0C.BFDA46@sympatico.ca... > I will take a real close close up look tomorrow when I down load and > magnify, but that looks like gas wash to me. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
Re: Ok guys, here we go. I pulled the head - take a look what I found
I'd be interested in that response and would like to learn how you could
tell that it was a gas wash if it is. Thanks, Bill "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:403C3F0C.BFDA46@sympatico.ca... > I will take a real close close up look tomorrow when I down load and > magnify, but that looks like gas wash to me. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > I need advice on which way to go on this. > > > > I pulled the head to take a look inside. Please offer any diagnositc > > direction on determining where the oil is coming from. I have a fresh 4.0L > > head I can put on here but don't want to do it if the block is screwed up. > > Should I give the head to a machine shop to see if he can find anything? > > I'm going to pull the valves on #2 and see what those look like but I wanted > > to post these to see what you guys think.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/jeep/engine/head1.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder2.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder3.jpg > > http://members.bigvalley.net/wuji/je.../cylinder4.jpg |
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