Oil prices got you down?
#561
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
like they do here?
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> As your article said:
> Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> caused
> contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained high
> concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> insulating
> the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> Just the entrance pipes.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
>> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
>> >
>> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
>> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
>> > > isn't
>> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
>> > > an
>> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
>> > > water'
>> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
>> > > 1934 -
>> he
>> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
>> > >
>> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> > >
>> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
>> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
>> themselves
>> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
>> > >> > immoderate
>> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
>> the
>> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
>> > >> > as
>> > >> > time
>> > >> > or
>> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
>> > >> > fabric
>> > >> > yielded
>> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
>> and
>> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> destroyed
>> we
>> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
>> [Gibbon,
>> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
>> > >> > B.
>> > >> > Bury
>> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
>> > >> >
>> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as
> the
>> > > wolf
>> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
>> 500
>> > >> > years
>> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
>> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
>> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
>> civilization
>> > > is
>> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
>> > >> >> > was
>> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
>> > >> >> > kicked
> a
>> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
>> their
>> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got
> fat
>> > > and
>> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
>> > >> > powerhouse
>> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
like they do here?
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> As your article said:
> Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> caused
> contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained high
> concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> insulating
> the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> Just the entrance pipes.
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
>> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
>> >
>> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
>> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
>> > > isn't
>> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
>> > > an
>> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
>> > > water'
>> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
>> > > 1934 -
>> he
>> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
>> > >
>> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> > >
>> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
>> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
>> themselves
>> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
>> > >> > immoderate
>> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
>> the
>> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
>> > >> > as
>> > >> > time
>> > >> > or
>> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
>> > >> > fabric
>> > >> > yielded
>> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
>> and
>> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> destroyed
>> we
>> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
>> [Gibbon,
>> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
>> > >> > B.
>> > >> > Bury
>> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
>> > >> >
>> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as
> the
>> > > wolf
>> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
>> 500
>> > >> > years
>> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
>> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
>> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
>> civilization
>> > > is
>> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
>> > >> >> > was
>> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
>> > >> >> > kicked
> a
>> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
>> their
>> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got
> fat
>> > > and
>> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
>> > >> > powerhouse
>> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
#562
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
There are only a couple states that specifically allow you to run your
reefers when you aren't driving according to the links and only 2 states
that exempt emergency vehicles.
I wonder if the mayor's and governor's limousines are allowed to idle to
keep the interiors comfortable for their occupants.
I've seen a few places that offer shore lines but I imagine they are few and
far between.
"Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
news:78idnVj8Dac6c53eRVn-pg@rogers.com...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40
>> in the winter?
>>
>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.
>
> Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
> and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach
> as high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than
> that sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat
> from other vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks.
> Our company has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are
> equipped with satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck
> enters violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in
> warm weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case.
> There are ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not
> necessary for us. The company used to be very rigid about idling and
> drivers could lose a percentage of their bonus but the cost of
> "investigating" each and every circumstance outweighs the savings. They
> don't want drivers on the dock for 4 hours unloading while the truck idles
> but they do understand sitting in queue in unbearable heat or cold.
>
> And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
> http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/
>
> The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
> APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
> tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
> heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They
> are stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can
> conceivably pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two
> years.
>
> Pay for themselves in two years?
> Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban
> them as well starting 2007.
> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592
>
> No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
> "Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.
>
> -Brian
>
reefers when you aren't driving according to the links and only 2 states
that exempt emergency vehicles.
I wonder if the mayor's and governor's limousines are allowed to idle to
keep the interiors comfortable for their occupants.
I've seen a few places that offer shore lines but I imagine they are few and
far between.
"Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
news:78idnVj8Dac6c53eRVn-pg@rogers.com...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40
>> in the winter?
>>
>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.
>
> Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
> and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach
> as high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than
> that sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat
> from other vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks.
> Our company has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are
> equipped with satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck
> enters violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in
> warm weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case.
> There are ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not
> necessary for us. The company used to be very rigid about idling and
> drivers could lose a percentage of their bonus but the cost of
> "investigating" each and every circumstance outweighs the savings. They
> don't want drivers on the dock for 4 hours unloading while the truck idles
> but they do understand sitting in queue in unbearable heat or cold.
>
> And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
> http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/
>
> The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
> APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
> tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
> heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They
> are stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can
> conceivably pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two
> years.
>
> Pay for themselves in two years?
> Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban
> them as well starting 2007.
> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592
>
> No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
> "Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.
>
> -Brian
>
#563
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
There are only a couple states that specifically allow you to run your
reefers when you aren't driving according to the links and only 2 states
that exempt emergency vehicles.
I wonder if the mayor's and governor's limousines are allowed to idle to
keep the interiors comfortable for their occupants.
I've seen a few places that offer shore lines but I imagine they are few and
far between.
"Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
news:78idnVj8Dac6c53eRVn-pg@rogers.com...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40
>> in the winter?
>>
>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.
>
> Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
> and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach
> as high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than
> that sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat
> from other vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks.
> Our company has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are
> equipped with satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck
> enters violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in
> warm weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case.
> There are ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not
> necessary for us. The company used to be very rigid about idling and
> drivers could lose a percentage of their bonus but the cost of
> "investigating" each and every circumstance outweighs the savings. They
> don't want drivers on the dock for 4 hours unloading while the truck idles
> but they do understand sitting in queue in unbearable heat or cold.
>
> And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
> http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/
>
> The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
> APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
> tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
> heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They
> are stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can
> conceivably pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two
> years.
>
> Pay for themselves in two years?
> Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban
> them as well starting 2007.
> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592
>
> No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
> "Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.
>
> -Brian
>
reefers when you aren't driving according to the links and only 2 states
that exempt emergency vehicles.
I wonder if the mayor's and governor's limousines are allowed to idle to
keep the interiors comfortable for their occupants.
I've seen a few places that offer shore lines but I imagine they are few and
far between.
"Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
news:78idnVj8Dac6c53eRVn-pg@rogers.com...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40
>> in the winter?
>>
>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.
>
> Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
> and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach
> as high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than
> that sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat
> from other vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks.
> Our company has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are
> equipped with satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck
> enters violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in
> warm weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case.
> There are ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not
> necessary for us. The company used to be very rigid about idling and
> drivers could lose a percentage of their bonus but the cost of
> "investigating" each and every circumstance outweighs the savings. They
> don't want drivers on the dock for 4 hours unloading while the truck idles
> but they do understand sitting in queue in unbearable heat or cold.
>
> And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
> http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/
>
> The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
> APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
> tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
> heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They
> are stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can
> conceivably pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two
> years.
>
> Pay for themselves in two years?
> Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban
> them as well starting 2007.
> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592
>
> No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
> "Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.
>
> -Brian
>
#564
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
There are only a couple states that specifically allow you to run your
reefers when you aren't driving according to the links and only 2 states
that exempt emergency vehicles.
I wonder if the mayor's and governor's limousines are allowed to idle to
keep the interiors comfortable for their occupants.
I've seen a few places that offer shore lines but I imagine they are few and
far between.
"Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
news:78idnVj8Dac6c53eRVn-pg@rogers.com...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40
>> in the winter?
>>
>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.
>
> Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
> and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach
> as high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than
> that sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat
> from other vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks.
> Our company has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are
> equipped with satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck
> enters violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in
> warm weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case.
> There are ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not
> necessary for us. The company used to be very rigid about idling and
> drivers could lose a percentage of their bonus but the cost of
> "investigating" each and every circumstance outweighs the savings. They
> don't want drivers on the dock for 4 hours unloading while the truck idles
> but they do understand sitting in queue in unbearable heat or cold.
>
> And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
> http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/
>
> The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
> APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
> tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
> heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They
> are stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can
> conceivably pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two
> years.
>
> Pay for themselves in two years?
> Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban
> them as well starting 2007.
> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592
>
> No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
> "Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.
>
> -Brian
>
reefers when you aren't driving according to the links and only 2 states
that exempt emergency vehicles.
I wonder if the mayor's and governor's limousines are allowed to idle to
keep the interiors comfortable for their occupants.
I've seen a few places that offer shore lines but I imagine they are few and
far between.
"Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
news:78idnVj8Dac6c53eRVn-pg@rogers.com...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40
>> in the winter?
>>
>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.
>
> Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
> and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach
> as high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than
> that sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat
> from other vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks.
> Our company has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are
> equipped with satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck
> enters violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in
> warm weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case.
> There are ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not
> necessary for us. The company used to be very rigid about idling and
> drivers could lose a percentage of their bonus but the cost of
> "investigating" each and every circumstance outweighs the savings. They
> don't want drivers on the dock for 4 hours unloading while the truck idles
> but they do understand sitting in queue in unbearable heat or cold.
>
> And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
> http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/
>
> The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
> APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
> tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
> heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They
> are stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can
> conceivably pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two
> years.
>
> Pay for themselves in two years?
> Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban
> them as well starting 2007.
> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592
>
> No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
> "Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.
>
> -Brian
>
#565
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
There are only a couple states that specifically allow you to run your
reefers when you aren't driving according to the links and only 2 states
that exempt emergency vehicles.
I wonder if the mayor's and governor's limousines are allowed to idle to
keep the interiors comfortable for their occupants.
I've seen a few places that offer shore lines but I imagine they are few and
far between.
"Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
news:78idnVj8Dac6c53eRVn-pg@rogers.com...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40
>> in the winter?
>>
>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.
>
> Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
> and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach
> as high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than
> that sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat
> from other vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks.
> Our company has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are
> equipped with satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck
> enters violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in
> warm weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case.
> There are ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not
> necessary for us. The company used to be very rigid about idling and
> drivers could lose a percentage of their bonus but the cost of
> "investigating" each and every circumstance outweighs the savings. They
> don't want drivers on the dock for 4 hours unloading while the truck idles
> but they do understand sitting in queue in unbearable heat or cold.
>
> And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
> http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/
>
> The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
> APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
> tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
> heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They
> are stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can
> conceivably pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two
> years.
>
> Pay for themselves in two years?
> Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban
> them as well starting 2007.
> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592
>
> No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
> "Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.
>
> -Brian
>
reefers when you aren't driving according to the links and only 2 states
that exempt emergency vehicles.
I wonder if the mayor's and governor's limousines are allowed to idle to
keep the interiors comfortable for their occupants.
I've seen a few places that offer shore lines but I imagine they are few and
far between.
"Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
news:78idnVj8Dac6c53eRVn-pg@rogers.com...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40
>> in the winter?
>>
>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.
>
> Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
> and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach
> as high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than
> that sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat
> from other vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks.
> Our company has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are
> equipped with satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck
> enters violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in
> warm weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case.
> There are ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not
> necessary for us. The company used to be very rigid about idling and
> drivers could lose a percentage of their bonus but the cost of
> "investigating" each and every circumstance outweighs the savings. They
> don't want drivers on the dock for 4 hours unloading while the truck idles
> but they do understand sitting in queue in unbearable heat or cold.
>
> And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
> http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/
>
> The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
> APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
> tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
> heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They
> are stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can
> conceivably pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two
> years.
>
> Pay for themselves in two years?
> Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban
> them as well starting 2007.
> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592
>
> No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
> "Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.
>
> -Brian
>
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
Third Rite, Euro:
http://www.dailyfx.com/index.php?opt...2921&Itemid=39
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Billy Ray wrote:
>
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
> like they do here?
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Billy Ray wrote:
>
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
> like they do here?
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
Third Rite, Euro:
http://www.dailyfx.com/index.php?opt...2921&Itemid=39
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Billy Ray wrote:
>
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
> like they do here?
Third Rite, Euro:
http://www.dailyfx.com/index.php?opt...2921&Itemid=39
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Billy Ray wrote:
>
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
> like they do here?
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
Third Rite, Euro:
http://www.dailyfx.com/index.php?opt...2921&Itemid=39
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Billy Ray wrote:
>
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
> like they do here?
Third Rite, Euro:
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Billy Ray wrote:
>
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
> like they do here?
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
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Billy Ray wrote:
>
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
> like they do here?
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Billy Ray wrote:
>
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
> like they do here?
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
They are stable but rising. We don't get 10-15% swings, as most of the cost
of petrol is the 300% tax
e.g. it costs 22.5p and we pay 67.5p tax to make it 90p / litre. Prices get
adjusted 1 or 2 times max, per week, I guess.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4fe6a$43055f3e$42a1cc8c$30735@FUSE.NET...
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
day
> like they do here?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > As your article said:
> > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> > caused
> > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained
high
> > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> > insulating
> > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> Just the entrance pipes.
> >>
> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years.
It
> >> > > isn't
> >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
> >> > > an
> >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
> >> > > water'
> >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
> >> > > 1934 -
> >> he
> >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >
> >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> >> themselves
> >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > >> > immoderate
> >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause
of
> >> the
> >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > time
> >> > >> > or
> >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
> >> > >> > fabric
> >> > >> > yielded
> >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is
simple
> >> and
> >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> > destroyed
> >> we
> >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> >> [Gibbon,
> >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
> >> > >> > B.
> >> > >> > Bury
> >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen
as
> > the
> >> > > wolf
> >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in
another
> >> 500
> >> > >> > years
> >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> >> civilization
> >> > > is
> >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
> >> > >> >> > was
> >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
> >> > >> >> > kicked
> > a
> >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually
drained
> >> their
> >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies,
got
> > fat
> >> > > and
> >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being
the
> >> > >> > powerhouse
> >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
of petrol is the 300% tax
e.g. it costs 22.5p and we pay 67.5p tax to make it 90p / litre. Prices get
adjusted 1 or 2 times max, per week, I guess.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4fe6a$43055f3e$42a1cc8c$30735@FUSE.NET...
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
day
> like they do here?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > As your article said:
> > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> > caused
> > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained
high
> > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> > insulating
> > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> Just the entrance pipes.
> >>
> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years.
It
> >> > > isn't
> >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
> >> > > an
> >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
> >> > > water'
> >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
> >> > > 1934 -
> >> he
> >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >
> >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> >> themselves
> >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > >> > immoderate
> >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause
of
> >> the
> >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > time
> >> > >> > or
> >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
> >> > >> > fabric
> >> > >> > yielded
> >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is
simple
> >> and
> >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> > destroyed
> >> we
> >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> >> [Gibbon,
> >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
> >> > >> > B.
> >> > >> > Bury
> >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen
as
> > the
> >> > > wolf
> >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in
another
> >> 500
> >> > >> > years
> >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> >> civilization
> >> > > is
> >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
> >> > >> >> > was
> >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
> >> > >> >> > kicked
> > a
> >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually
drained
> >> their
> >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies,
got
> > fat
> >> > > and
> >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being
the
> >> > >> > powerhouse
> >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>