Oil prices got you down?
08-12-2005, 11:04 AM
#41
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
In-line responses.
DougW wrote:
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
"Futures market." Absent a shortage, fuel prices are now being driven
by speculation in the futures markets and now that they've learned that
they can get more than $60/bbl it ain't never gonna come back down.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where you
> go around here.
>
Good idea, but that does have a ripple effect in the economy. Your
bagged lunch will show up as a loss in the local restaurant district,
which means some hash-slinger won't buy a new car this year, which means
the dealer doesn't buy a new house, the builder doesn't by a new TV, the
vendor doesn't sent his kid to Swanky U and on and on.
DougW wrote:
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
"Futures market." Absent a shortage, fuel prices are now being driven
by speculation in the futures markets and now that they've learned that
they can get more than $60/bbl it ain't never gonna come back down.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where you
> go around here.
>
Good idea, but that does have a ripple effect in the economy. Your
bagged lunch will show up as a loss in the local restaurant district,
which means some hash-slinger won't buy a new car this year, which means
the dealer doesn't buy a new house, the builder doesn't by a new TV, the
vendor doesn't sent his kid to Swanky U and on and on.
08-12-2005, 11:29 AM
#42
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
If we don't have an oil or gas shortage now, we will have one soon enough.
People who should know these things, project that the oil supply is going to
shut down for good, sometime this century. Then, petroleum is only going to
be cost effective, for raw material for expensive chemicals. Natural gas
will no longer be a heating fuel. LP gas won't even exist. Somebody is
going to have to figure out, how to make fuel out of corn, wood, or air. We
won't have to attack the Saudis, to get our dollars back from them.
Your shortage of refineries and "artificially high" fuel prices serve to
postpone the day when this will occur. "Regulations, red-tape, and pure out
and out bullshittery" are buying time for our grandchildren, to figure this
mess out. The fact that dishonest people make a profit, well that is just
human nature.
When I look out the window and see a coal train, belching black smoke into
the supposedly clean air above Silverton, that reminds me of how
hypocritical the EPA and the "environmental whackjobs" can be.
Earle
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:jU%Ke.84$P34.12@okepread07...
> ambrin did pass the time by typing:
> > We don't have an oil, or gas shortage. We have a critical shortage of
> > refineries. Thank the EPA for that...
>
> Probably less the fault of the EPA and more the fault of environmental
whackjobs.
> There would have been a nice shiny new refinery in California, but due to
regulations,
> red-tape, and pure out and out bullshittery, they built it down to Mexico.
>
> One has had a fire, and one simply have to be shut down for maintenance.
Then
> there is the switch from Diesel to home heating oil, and "winter grades"
of fuel.
> But your correct, we need more refineries.
>
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil
companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just
driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than
going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where
you
> go around here.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
People who should know these things, project that the oil supply is going to
shut down for good, sometime this century. Then, petroleum is only going to
be cost effective, for raw material for expensive chemicals. Natural gas
will no longer be a heating fuel. LP gas won't even exist. Somebody is
going to have to figure out, how to make fuel out of corn, wood, or air. We
won't have to attack the Saudis, to get our dollars back from them.
Your shortage of refineries and "artificially high" fuel prices serve to
postpone the day when this will occur. "Regulations, red-tape, and pure out
and out bullshittery" are buying time for our grandchildren, to figure this
mess out. The fact that dishonest people make a profit, well that is just
human nature.
When I look out the window and see a coal train, belching black smoke into
the supposedly clean air above Silverton, that reminds me of how
hypocritical the EPA and the "environmental whackjobs" can be.
Earle
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:jU%Ke.84$P34.12@okepread07...
> ambrin did pass the time by typing:
> > We don't have an oil, or gas shortage. We have a critical shortage of
> > refineries. Thank the EPA for that...
>
> Probably less the fault of the EPA and more the fault of environmental
whackjobs.
> There would have been a nice shiny new refinery in California, but due to
regulations,
> red-tape, and pure out and out bullshittery, they built it down to Mexico.
>
> One has had a fire, and one simply have to be shut down for maintenance.
Then
> there is the switch from Diesel to home heating oil, and "winter grades"
of fuel.
> But your correct, we need more refineries.
>
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil
companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just
driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than
going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where
you
> go around here.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
08-12-2005, 11:29 AM
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
If we don't have an oil or gas shortage now, we will have one soon enough.
People who should know these things, project that the oil supply is going to
shut down for good, sometime this century. Then, petroleum is only going to
be cost effective, for raw material for expensive chemicals. Natural gas
will no longer be a heating fuel. LP gas won't even exist. Somebody is
going to have to figure out, how to make fuel out of corn, wood, or air. We
won't have to attack the Saudis, to get our dollars back from them.
Your shortage of refineries and "artificially high" fuel prices serve to
postpone the day when this will occur. "Regulations, red-tape, and pure out
and out bullshittery" are buying time for our grandchildren, to figure this
mess out. The fact that dishonest people make a profit, well that is just
human nature.
When I look out the window and see a coal train, belching black smoke into
the supposedly clean air above Silverton, that reminds me of how
hypocritical the EPA and the "environmental whackjobs" can be.
Earle
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:jU%Ke.84$P34.12@okepread07...
> ambrin did pass the time by typing:
> > We don't have an oil, or gas shortage. We have a critical shortage of
> > refineries. Thank the EPA for that...
>
> Probably less the fault of the EPA and more the fault of environmental
whackjobs.
> There would have been a nice shiny new refinery in California, but due to
regulations,
> red-tape, and pure out and out bullshittery, they built it down to Mexico.
>
> One has had a fire, and one simply have to be shut down for maintenance.
Then
> there is the switch from Diesel to home heating oil, and "winter grades"
of fuel.
> But your correct, we need more refineries.
>
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil
companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just
driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than
going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where
you
> go around here.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
People who should know these things, project that the oil supply is going to
shut down for good, sometime this century. Then, petroleum is only going to
be cost effective, for raw material for expensive chemicals. Natural gas
will no longer be a heating fuel. LP gas won't even exist. Somebody is
going to have to figure out, how to make fuel out of corn, wood, or air. We
won't have to attack the Saudis, to get our dollars back from them.
Your shortage of refineries and "artificially high" fuel prices serve to
postpone the day when this will occur. "Regulations, red-tape, and pure out
and out bullshittery" are buying time for our grandchildren, to figure this
mess out. The fact that dishonest people make a profit, well that is just
human nature.
When I look out the window and see a coal train, belching black smoke into
the supposedly clean air above Silverton, that reminds me of how
hypocritical the EPA and the "environmental whackjobs" can be.
Earle
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:jU%Ke.84$P34.12@okepread07...
> ambrin did pass the time by typing:
> > We don't have an oil, or gas shortage. We have a critical shortage of
> > refineries. Thank the EPA for that...
>
> Probably less the fault of the EPA and more the fault of environmental
whackjobs.
> There would have been a nice shiny new refinery in California, but due to
regulations,
> red-tape, and pure out and out bullshittery, they built it down to Mexico.
>
> One has had a fire, and one simply have to be shut down for maintenance.
Then
> there is the switch from Diesel to home heating oil, and "winter grades"
of fuel.
> But your correct, we need more refineries.
>
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil
companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just
driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than
going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where
you
> go around here.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
08-12-2005, 11:29 AM
#44
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
If we don't have an oil or gas shortage now, we will have one soon enough.
People who should know these things, project that the oil supply is going to
shut down for good, sometime this century. Then, petroleum is only going to
be cost effective, for raw material for expensive chemicals. Natural gas
will no longer be a heating fuel. LP gas won't even exist. Somebody is
going to have to figure out, how to make fuel out of corn, wood, or air. We
won't have to attack the Saudis, to get our dollars back from them.
Your shortage of refineries and "artificially high" fuel prices serve to
postpone the day when this will occur. "Regulations, red-tape, and pure out
and out bullshittery" are buying time for our grandchildren, to figure this
mess out. The fact that dishonest people make a profit, well that is just
human nature.
When I look out the window and see a coal train, belching black smoke into
the supposedly clean air above Silverton, that reminds me of how
hypocritical the EPA and the "environmental whackjobs" can be.
Earle
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:jU%Ke.84$P34.12@okepread07...
> ambrin did pass the time by typing:
> > We don't have an oil, or gas shortage. We have a critical shortage of
> > refineries. Thank the EPA for that...
>
> Probably less the fault of the EPA and more the fault of environmental
whackjobs.
> There would have been a nice shiny new refinery in California, but due to
regulations,
> red-tape, and pure out and out bullshittery, they built it down to Mexico.
>
> One has had a fire, and one simply have to be shut down for maintenance.
Then
> there is the switch from Diesel to home heating oil, and "winter grades"
of fuel.
> But your correct, we need more refineries.
>
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil
companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just
driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than
going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where
you
> go around here.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
People who should know these things, project that the oil supply is going to
shut down for good, sometime this century. Then, petroleum is only going to
be cost effective, for raw material for expensive chemicals. Natural gas
will no longer be a heating fuel. LP gas won't even exist. Somebody is
going to have to figure out, how to make fuel out of corn, wood, or air. We
won't have to attack the Saudis, to get our dollars back from them.
Your shortage of refineries and "artificially high" fuel prices serve to
postpone the day when this will occur. "Regulations, red-tape, and pure out
and out bullshittery" are buying time for our grandchildren, to figure this
mess out. The fact that dishonest people make a profit, well that is just
human nature.
When I look out the window and see a coal train, belching black smoke into
the supposedly clean air above Silverton, that reminds me of how
hypocritical the EPA and the "environmental whackjobs" can be.
Earle
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:jU%Ke.84$P34.12@okepread07...
> ambrin did pass the time by typing:
> > We don't have an oil, or gas shortage. We have a critical shortage of
> > refineries. Thank the EPA for that...
>
> Probably less the fault of the EPA and more the fault of environmental
whackjobs.
> There would have been a nice shiny new refinery in California, but due to
regulations,
> red-tape, and pure out and out bullshittery, they built it down to Mexico.
>
> One has had a fire, and one simply have to be shut down for maintenance.
Then
> there is the switch from Diesel to home heating oil, and "winter grades"
of fuel.
> But your correct, we need more refineries.
>
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil
companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just
driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than
going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where
you
> go around here.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
08-12-2005, 11:29 AM
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
If we don't have an oil or gas shortage now, we will have one soon enough.
People who should know these things, project that the oil supply is going to
shut down for good, sometime this century. Then, petroleum is only going to
be cost effective, for raw material for expensive chemicals. Natural gas
will no longer be a heating fuel. LP gas won't even exist. Somebody is
going to have to figure out, how to make fuel out of corn, wood, or air. We
won't have to attack the Saudis, to get our dollars back from them.
Your shortage of refineries and "artificially high" fuel prices serve to
postpone the day when this will occur. "Regulations, red-tape, and pure out
and out bullshittery" are buying time for our grandchildren, to figure this
mess out. The fact that dishonest people make a profit, well that is just
human nature.
When I look out the window and see a coal train, belching black smoke into
the supposedly clean air above Silverton, that reminds me of how
hypocritical the EPA and the "environmental whackjobs" can be.
Earle
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:jU%Ke.84$P34.12@okepread07...
> ambrin did pass the time by typing:
> > We don't have an oil, or gas shortage. We have a critical shortage of
> > refineries. Thank the EPA for that...
>
> Probably less the fault of the EPA and more the fault of environmental
whackjobs.
> There would have been a nice shiny new refinery in California, but due to
regulations,
> red-tape, and pure out and out bullshittery, they built it down to Mexico.
>
> One has had a fire, and one simply have to be shut down for maintenance.
Then
> there is the switch from Diesel to home heating oil, and "winter grades"
of fuel.
> But your correct, we need more refineries.
>
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil
companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just
driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than
going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where
you
> go around here.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
People who should know these things, project that the oil supply is going to
shut down for good, sometime this century. Then, petroleum is only going to
be cost effective, for raw material for expensive chemicals. Natural gas
will no longer be a heating fuel. LP gas won't even exist. Somebody is
going to have to figure out, how to make fuel out of corn, wood, or air. We
won't have to attack the Saudis, to get our dollars back from them.
Your shortage of refineries and "artificially high" fuel prices serve to
postpone the day when this will occur. "Regulations, red-tape, and pure out
and out bullshittery" are buying time for our grandchildren, to figure this
mess out. The fact that dishonest people make a profit, well that is just
human nature.
When I look out the window and see a coal train, belching black smoke into
the supposedly clean air above Silverton, that reminds me of how
hypocritical the EPA and the "environmental whackjobs" can be.
Earle
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:jU%Ke.84$P34.12@okepread07...
> ambrin did pass the time by typing:
> > We don't have an oil, or gas shortage. We have a critical shortage of
> > refineries. Thank the EPA for that...
>
> Probably less the fault of the EPA and more the fault of environmental
whackjobs.
> There would have been a nice shiny new refinery in California, but due to
regulations,
> red-tape, and pure out and out bullshittery, they built it down to Mexico.
>
> One has had a fire, and one simply have to be shut down for maintenance.
Then
> there is the switch from Diesel to home heating oil, and "winter grades"
of fuel.
> But your correct, we need more refineries.
>
> We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil
companies
> report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
>
> As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just
driving
> to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than
going
> out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where
you
> go around here.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
08-12-2005, 11:54 AM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
This is just the result of faulty reasoning, but people "topping off" fuel
tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
Xanax.)
I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
there is a crisis.
Earle
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ddid1q$pk9$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
> once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>
>
>
> tim bur wrote:
> > lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
reducing a higher
> > demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
and keep our
> > vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
cut down ashphalt
> > that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
down after 3
> > months of of causing a glut in the market
> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
stockpile it
> >
> > Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
> >>
> >>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
$1.50/gallon.
> >>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
another
> >>thread.
>
>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
me-business
> >>
> >>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
on
> >>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
> >>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
$2.54/gallon
> >>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
> >>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
> >>
> >>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
our
> >>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
> >>
> >>Let's keep things in perspective
> >>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
> >>gallons)...
> >>
> >>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
the
> >>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
25
> >>cents a cup.
> >>
> >>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
> >>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
> >>
> >>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
9
> >>cents.
> >
> >
tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
Xanax.)
I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
there is a crisis.
Earle
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ddid1q$pk9$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
> once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>
>
>
> tim bur wrote:
> > lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
reducing a higher
> > demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
and keep our
> > vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
cut down ashphalt
> > that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
down after 3
> > months of of causing a glut in the market
> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
stockpile it
> >
> > Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
> >>
> >>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
$1.50/gallon.
> >>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
another
> >>thread.
>
>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
me-business
> >>
> >>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
on
> >>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
> >>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
$2.54/gallon
> >>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
> >>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
> >>
> >>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
our
> >>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
> >>
> >>Let's keep things in perspective
> >>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
> >>gallons)...
> >>
> >>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
the
> >>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
25
> >>cents a cup.
> >>
> >>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
> >>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
> >>
> >>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
9
> >>cents.
> >
> >
08-12-2005, 11:54 AM
#47
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
This is just the result of faulty reasoning, but people "topping off" fuel
tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
Xanax.)
I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
there is a crisis.
Earle
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ddid1q$pk9$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
> once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>
>
>
> tim bur wrote:
> > lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
reducing a higher
> > demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
and keep our
> > vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
cut down ashphalt
> > that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
down after 3
> > months of of causing a glut in the market
> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
stockpile it
> >
> > Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
> >>
> >>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
$1.50/gallon.
> >>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
another
> >>thread.
>
>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
me-business
> >>
> >>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
on
> >>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
> >>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
$2.54/gallon
> >>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
> >>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
> >>
> >>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
our
> >>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
> >>
> >>Let's keep things in perspective
> >>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
> >>gallons)...
> >>
> >>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
the
> >>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
25
> >>cents a cup.
> >>
> >>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
> >>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
> >>
> >>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
9
> >>cents.
> >
> >
tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
Xanax.)
I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
there is a crisis.
Earle
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ddid1q$pk9$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
> once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>
>
>
> tim bur wrote:
> > lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
reducing a higher
> > demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
and keep our
> > vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
cut down ashphalt
> > that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
down after 3
> > months of of causing a glut in the market
> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
stockpile it
> >
> > Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
> >>
> >>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
$1.50/gallon.
> >>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
another
> >>thread.
>
>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
me-business
> >>
> >>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
on
> >>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
> >>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
$2.54/gallon
> >>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
> >>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
> >>
> >>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
our
> >>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
> >>
> >>Let's keep things in perspective
> >>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
> >>gallons)...
> >>
> >>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
the
> >>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
25
> >>cents a cup.
> >>
> >>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
> >>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
> >>
> >>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
9
> >>cents.
> >
> >
08-12-2005, 11:54 AM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
This is just the result of faulty reasoning, but people "topping off" fuel
tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
Xanax.)
I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
there is a crisis.
Earle
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ddid1q$pk9$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
> once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>
>
>
> tim bur wrote:
> > lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
reducing a higher
> > demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
and keep our
> > vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
cut down ashphalt
> > that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
down after 3
> > months of of causing a glut in the market
> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
stockpile it
> >
> > Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
> >>
> >>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
$1.50/gallon.
> >>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
another
> >>thread.
>
>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
me-business
> >>
> >>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
on
> >>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
> >>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
$2.54/gallon
> >>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
> >>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
> >>
> >>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
our
> >>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
> >>
> >>Let's keep things in perspective
> >>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
> >>gallons)...
> >>
> >>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
the
> >>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
25
> >>cents a cup.
> >>
> >>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
> >>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
> >>
> >>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
9
> >>cents.
> >
> >
tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
Xanax.)
I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
there is a crisis.
Earle
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ddid1q$pk9$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
> once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>
>
>
> tim bur wrote:
> > lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
reducing a higher
> > demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
and keep our
> > vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
cut down ashphalt
> > that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
down after 3
> > months of of causing a glut in the market
> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
stockpile it
> >
> > Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
> >>
> >>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
$1.50/gallon.
> >>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
another
> >>thread.
>
>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
me-business
> >>
> >>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
on
> >>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
> >>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
$2.54/gallon
> >>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
> >>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
> >>
> >>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
our
> >>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
> >>
> >>Let's keep things in perspective
> >>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
> >>gallons)...
> >>
> >>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
the
> >>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
25
> >>cents a cup.
> >>
> >>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
> >>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
> >>
> >>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
9
> >>cents.
> >
> >
08-12-2005, 11:54 AM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
This is just the result of faulty reasoning, but people "topping off" fuel
tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
Xanax.)
I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
there is a crisis.
Earle
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ddid1q$pk9$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
> once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>
>
>
> tim bur wrote:
> > lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
reducing a higher
> > demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
and keep our
> > vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
cut down ashphalt
> > that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
down after 3
> > months of of causing a glut in the market
> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
stockpile it
> >
> > Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
> >>
> >>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
$1.50/gallon.
> >>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
another
> >>thread.
>
>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
me-business
> >>
> >>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
on
> >>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
> >>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
$2.54/gallon
> >>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
> >>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
> >>
> >>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
our
> >>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
> >>
> >>Let's keep things in perspective
> >>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
> >>gallons)...
> >>
> >>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
the
> >>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
25
> >>cents a cup.
> >>
> >>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
> >>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
> >>
> >>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
9
> >>cents.
> >
> >
tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
Xanax.)
I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
there is a crisis.
Earle
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ddid1q$pk9$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
> once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>
>
>
> tim bur wrote:
> > lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
reducing a higher
> > demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
and keep our
> > vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
cut down ashphalt
> > that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
down after 3
> > months of of causing a glut in the market
> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
stockpile it
> >
> > Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
> >>
> >>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
$1.50/gallon.
> >>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
another
> >>thread.
>
>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
me-business
> >>
> >>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
on
> >>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
> >>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
$2.54/gallon
> >>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
> >>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
> >>
> >>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
our
> >>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
> >>
> >>Let's keep things in perspective
> >>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
> >>gallons)...
> >>
> >>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
the
> >>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
25
> >>cents a cup.
> >>
> >>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
> >>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
> >>
> >>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
9
> >>cents.
> >
> >
08-12-2005, 12:58 PM
#50
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
Yup, exactly. His suggestion isn't any different than the "Gas Out"
chain e-mail that circulates from time to time, urging people to not buy
gas next week and Then We'll Teach `Em A Lesson They Won't Forget and
Bring the Bastards To Their Knees, Woo Hoo.
So everyone doesn't buy gas next week, then everyone buys _twice_ as
much the next week. Oh, yeah, _that'll_ teach `em. Woo. Hoo.
The fact is that America is built for the automobile. Few people
outside of a few habitable metropolitian areas live within walking
distance of a food store, fewer still live within walking distance to
their jobs. The few commuter rail systems that still exist serve only a
few areas and are under constant pressure to reduce their budgets and to
turn a profit -- which they will never be able to do. Middle class
people won't take busses, and even if they did they don't have enough
routes to serve but a tiny fraction of employers while their employees
live 20, 50 or 100 miles away. Freight and parcels must be there
tomorrow under the "just in time" system that most American companies
work under, so all but bulk raw material travels directly from source to
user by truck.
The result is that we are locked into using cars, you can't live the
current lifestyle of the majority without one. Conservation efforts
such as hybrids won't really help in the short term because any drop in
consumption will be off-set by growth in consumption. Higher prices
won't reduce fuel consumption much except as a side effect of a
depressed economy, as disposable income is diverted away from consumer
goods and towards fuel costs.
Do I have an answer? Nope. There's only so much fry oil to divert to
"bio-diesel" and until someone comes up with a way to manufacture
hydrogen or ethanol that doesn't take _more_ energy to produce than the
fuel's eventual yield neither one is a viable solution. And I still
drive my CJ and my Cherokee.
Or, as someone on NPR recently opined: "We're gonna run out of
atmosphere before we run out of fossil fuels."
Earle Horton wrote:
> This is just the result of faulty reasoning, but people "topping off" fuel
> tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
> the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
> shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
> there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
> a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
> thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
> compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
> don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
> Xanax.)
>
> I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
> make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
> this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
> the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
> you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
> employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
> license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
> there is a crisis.
>
> Earle
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:ddid1q$pk9$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
>>Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
>>once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>>
>>
>>
>>tim bur wrote:
>>
>>>lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
>
> reducing a higher
>
>>>demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
>
> and keep our
>
>>>vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
>
> cut down ashphalt
>
>>>that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
>
> down after 3
>
>>>months of of causing a glut in the market
>>> gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
>
> stockpile it
>
>>>Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
>>>
>>>>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
>
> $1.50/gallon.
>
>>>>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
>
> another
>
>>>>thread.
>>
>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
>
> me-business
>
>>>>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
>
> on
>
>>>>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
>>>>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
>
> $2.54/gallon
>
>>>>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
>>>>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
>>>>
>>>>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
>
> our
>
>>>>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
>>>>
>>>>Let's keep things in perspective
>>>>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
>>>>gallons)...
>>>>
>>>>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
>
> the
>
>>>>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
>
> 25
>
>>>>cents a cup.
>>>>
>>>>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
>>>>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
>>>>
>>>>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
>
> 9
>
>>>>cents.
>>>
>>>
>
>