Jerry Newton

If you pulled all of the "smog" stuff off...... did you remove the pcv valve
and block that passage off, too? A functioning pcv will help prevent oil
leaks by keeping the crankcase pressure in check.


Jerry


"Dan Ferrell" <dkf92@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:OcyZb.126$ks2.63@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
> That was what I thought. But my knowledge of engines in minimum to say
> the least. I just can't figure out where it is coming from if thats not
the
> place. I pulled all of the smog stuff off several months ago and pluged
all
> the leaking vacuum lines and thats when the leak got worse. I guess it
> still might be coming from the valve cover, but it is strange how it only
> appears down the one side for about 9 inches, and stays below the head in
a
> nice straight line.
>
> Dan
> 84 CJ 7
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4036A2EA.B46C5A7D@***.net...
> > Hi Dan,
> > I really, really doubt it is leaking from your head gasket, there
> > is no oil pressure there, as the rockers oil via the push rods:
> > http://www.----------.com/oilgalle.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Dan Ferrell wrote:
> > >
> > > I was looking at the oil leak on my 84 CJ (258) today. It has been
> getting
> > > worse. It looks like the oil is coming out between the head and the
> block.
> > > I cleaned the engine and started it up and could see on the back
> passenger
> > > side between the head and the block a small leak of oil. It comes
out
> for
> > > about 9 or 10 inches moving towards the front and gets real bad
while
> I'm
> > > driving. Is it time to replace the head gasket?? If so how hard is
it
> to
> > > do. About the deepest I've been in this engine is the valve cover,
> when I
> > > replaced it because of a leak. I thought about snugging up the bolts
> for the
> > > head first, but didn't know if that would help any. Any
suggestions?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > > 84 CJ-7
>
>

Jerry Newton

If you pulled all of the "smog" stuff off...... did you remove the pcv valve
and block that passage off, too? A functioning pcv will help prevent oil
leaks by keeping the crankcase pressure in check.


Jerry


"Dan Ferrell" <dkf92@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:OcyZb.126$ks2.63@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
> That was what I thought. But my knowledge of engines in minimum to say
> the least. I just can't figure out where it is coming from if thats not
the
> place. I pulled all of the smog stuff off several months ago and pluged
all
> the leaking vacuum lines and thats when the leak got worse. I guess it
> still might be coming from the valve cover, but it is strange how it only
> appears down the one side for about 9 inches, and stays below the head in
a
> nice straight line.
>
> Dan
> 84 CJ 7
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4036A2EA.B46C5A7D@***.net...
> > Hi Dan,
> > I really, really doubt it is leaking from your head gasket, there
> > is no oil pressure there, as the rockers oil via the push rods:
> > http://www.----------.com/oilgalle.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Dan Ferrell wrote:
> > >
> > > I was looking at the oil leak on my 84 CJ (258) today. It has been
> getting
> > > worse. It looks like the oil is coming out between the head and the
> block.
> > > I cleaned the engine and started it up and could see on the back
> passenger
> > > side between the head and the block a small leak of oil. It comes
out
> for
> > > about 9 or 10 inches moving towards the front and gets real bad
while
> I'm
> > > driving. Is it time to replace the head gasket?? If so how hard is
it
> to
> > > do. About the deepest I've been in this engine is the valve cover,
> when I
> > > replaced it because of a leak. I thought about snugging up the bolts
> for the
> > > head first, but didn't know if that would help any. Any
suggestions?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > > 84 CJ-7
>
>

Jerry Newton

If you pulled all of the "smog" stuff off...... did you remove the pcv valve
and block that passage off, too? A functioning pcv will help prevent oil
leaks by keeping the crankcase pressure in check.


Jerry


"Dan Ferrell" <dkf92@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:OcyZb.126$ks2.63@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
> That was what I thought. But my knowledge of engines in minimum to say
> the least. I just can't figure out where it is coming from if thats not
the
> place. I pulled all of the smog stuff off several months ago and pluged
all
> the leaking vacuum lines and thats when the leak got worse. I guess it
> still might be coming from the valve cover, but it is strange how it only
> appears down the one side for about 9 inches, and stays below the head in
a
> nice straight line.
>
> Dan
> 84 CJ 7
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4036A2EA.B46C5A7D@***.net...
> > Hi Dan,
> > I really, really doubt it is leaking from your head gasket, there
> > is no oil pressure there, as the rockers oil via the push rods:
> > http://www.----------.com/oilgalle.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Dan Ferrell wrote:
> > >
> > > I was looking at the oil leak on my 84 CJ (258) today. It has been
> getting
> > > worse. It looks like the oil is coming out between the head and the
> block.
> > > I cleaned the engine and started it up and could see on the back
> passenger
> > > side between the head and the block a small leak of oil. It comes
out
> for
> > > about 9 or 10 inches moving towards the front and gets real bad
while
> I'm
> > > driving. Is it time to replace the head gasket?? If so how hard is
it
> to
> > > do. About the deepest I've been in this engine is the valve cover,
> when I
> > > replaced it because of a leak. I thought about snugging up the bolts
> for the
> > > head first, but didn't know if that would help any. Any
suggestions?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > > 84 CJ-7
>
>

Mike Romain

There are oil channels the oil runs back down after it has lubed the
top.

You could have a leaky head gasket there letting oil just run out, it
happens.

One other thing is maybe a leak at the back running across the crack and
just wicking along it imitating a head gasket leak. I would maybe be
running a clean rag along the back side of the valve cover with the
engine running just to see...

You 'sure' wouldn't be the first person to have to do the valve cover
over again because it leaked worse after being 'fixed' the first time.
All it takes is one fingerprint on the head or edge of the valve cover
during assembly to cause a new leak.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dan Ferrell wrote:
>
> That was what I thought. But my knowledge of engines in minimum to say
> the least. I just can't figure out where it is coming from if thats not the
> place. I pulled all of the smog stuff off several months ago and pluged all
> the leaking vacuum lines and thats when the leak got worse. I guess it
> still might be coming from the valve cover, but it is strange how it only
> appears down the one side for about 9 inches, and stays below the head in a
> nice straight line.
>
> Dan
> 84 CJ 7
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4036A2EA.B46C5A7D@***.net...
> > Hi Dan,
> > I really, really doubt it is leaking from your head gasket, there
> > is no oil pressure there, as the rockers oil via the push rods:
> > http://www.----------.com/oilgalle.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Dan Ferrell wrote:
> > >
> > > I was looking at the oil leak on my 84 CJ (258) today. It has been
> getting
> > > worse. It looks like the oil is coming out between the head and the
> block.
> > > I cleaned the engine and started it up and could see on the back
> passenger
> > > side between the head and the block a small leak of oil. It comes out
> for
> > > about 9 or 10 inches moving towards the front and gets real bad while
> I'm
> > > driving. Is it time to replace the head gasket?? If so how hard is it
> to
> > > do. About the deepest I've been in this engine is the valve cover,
> when I
> > > replaced it because of a leak. I thought about snugging up the bolts
> for the
> > > head first, but didn't know if that would help any. Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > > 84 CJ-7

Mike Romain

There are oil channels the oil runs back down after it has lubed the
top.

You could have a leaky head gasket there letting oil just run out, it
happens.

One other thing is maybe a leak at the back running across the crack and
just wicking along it imitating a head gasket leak. I would maybe be
running a clean rag along the back side of the valve cover with the
engine running just to see...

You 'sure' wouldn't be the first person to have to do the valve cover
over again because it leaked worse after being 'fixed' the first time.
All it takes is one fingerprint on the head or edge of the valve cover
during assembly to cause a new leak.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dan Ferrell wrote:
>
> That was what I thought. But my knowledge of engines in minimum to say
> the least. I just can't figure out where it is coming from if thats not the
> place. I pulled all of the smog stuff off several months ago and pluged all
> the leaking vacuum lines and thats when the leak got worse. I guess it
> still might be coming from the valve cover, but it is strange how it only
> appears down the one side for about 9 inches, and stays below the head in a
> nice straight line.
>
> Dan
> 84 CJ 7
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4036A2EA.B46C5A7D@***.net...
> > Hi Dan,
> > I really, really doubt it is leaking from your head gasket, there
> > is no oil pressure there, as the rockers oil via the push rods:
> > http://www.----------.com/oilgalle.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Dan Ferrell wrote:
> > >
> > > I was looking at the oil leak on my 84 CJ (258) today. It has been
> getting
> > > worse. It looks like the oil is coming out between the head and the
> block.
> > > I cleaned the engine and started it up and could see on the back
> passenger
> > > side between the head and the block a small leak of oil. It comes out
> for
> > > about 9 or 10 inches moving towards the front and gets real bad while
> I'm
> > > driving. Is it time to replace the head gasket?? If so how hard is it
> to
> > > do. About the deepest I've been in this engine is the valve cover,
> when I
> > > replaced it because of a leak. I thought about snugging up the bolts
> for the
> > > head first, but didn't know if that would help any. Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > > 84 CJ-7

Mike Romain

There are oil channels the oil runs back down after it has lubed the
top.

You could have a leaky head gasket there letting oil just run out, it
happens.

One other thing is maybe a leak at the back running across the crack and
just wicking along it imitating a head gasket leak. I would maybe be
running a clean rag along the back side of the valve cover with the
engine running just to see...

You 'sure' wouldn't be the first person to have to do the valve cover
over again because it leaked worse after being 'fixed' the first time.
All it takes is one fingerprint on the head or edge of the valve cover
during assembly to cause a new leak.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dan Ferrell wrote:
>
> That was what I thought. But my knowledge of engines in minimum to say
> the least. I just can't figure out where it is coming from if thats not the
> place. I pulled all of the smog stuff off several months ago and pluged all
> the leaking vacuum lines and thats when the leak got worse. I guess it
> still might be coming from the valve cover, but it is strange how it only
> appears down the one side for about 9 inches, and stays below the head in a
> nice straight line.
>
> Dan
> 84 CJ 7
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4036A2EA.B46C5A7D@***.net...
> > Hi Dan,
> > I really, really doubt it is leaking from your head gasket, there
> > is no oil pressure there, as the rockers oil via the push rods:
> > http://www.----------.com/oilgalle.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Dan Ferrell wrote:
> > >
> > > I was looking at the oil leak on my 84 CJ (258) today. It has been
> getting
> > > worse. It looks like the oil is coming out between the head and the
> block.
> > > I cleaned the engine and started it up and could see on the back
> passenger
> > > side between the head and the block a small leak of oil. It comes out
> for
> > > about 9 or 10 inches moving towards the front and gets real bad while
> I'm
> > > driving. Is it time to replace the head gasket?? If so how hard is it
> to
> > > do. About the deepest I've been in this engine is the valve cover,
> when I
> > > replaced it because of a leak. I thought about snugging up the bolts
> for the
> > > head first, but didn't know if that would help any. Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > > 84 CJ-7

Dan Ferrell

I guess I will pull the valve cover off and try it again. What a PITA
though, that back bolt is hell to tighten down. Maybe I will be lucky and
get it to stop this time. Getting tired of putting oil in all the time.

Dan
84 CJ7

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40376887.980B35C2@sympatico.ca...
> There are oil channels the oil runs back down after it has lubed the
> top.
>
> You could have a leaky head gasket there letting oil just run out, it
> happens.
>
> One other thing is maybe a leak at the back running across the crack and
> just wicking along it imitating a head gasket leak. I would maybe be
> running a clean rag along the back side of the valve cover with the
> engine running just to see...
>
> You 'sure' wouldn't be the first person to have to do the valve cover
> over again because it leaked worse after being 'fixed' the first time.
> All it takes is one fingerprint on the head or edge of the valve cover
> during assembly to cause a new leak.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dan Ferrell wrote:
> >
> > That was what I thought. But my knowledge of engines in minimum to
say
> > the least. I just can't figure out where it is coming from if thats not
the
> > place. I pulled all of the smog stuff off several months ago and pluged
all
> > the leaking vacuum lines and thats when the leak got worse. I guess it
> > still might be coming from the valve cover, but it is strange how it
only
> > appears down the one side for about 9 inches, and stays below the head
in a
> > nice straight line.
> >
> > Dan
> > 84 CJ 7
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:4036A2EA.B46C5A7D@***.net...
> > > Hi Dan,
> > > I really, really doubt it is leaking from your head gasket,
there
> > > is no oil pressure there, as the rockers oil via the push rods:
> > > http://www.----------.com/oilgalle.jpg
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:--------------------
> > >
> > > Dan Ferrell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was looking at the oil leak on my 84 CJ (258) today. It has
been
> > getting
> > > > worse. It looks like the oil is coming out between the head and
the
> > block.
> > > > I cleaned the engine and started it up and could see on the back
> > passenger
> > > > side between the head and the block a small leak of oil. It comes
out
> > for
> > > > about 9 or 10 inches moving towards the front and gets real bad
while
> > I'm
> > > > driving. Is it time to replace the head gasket?? If so how hard
is it
> > to
> > > > do. About the deepest I've been in this engine is the valve
cover,
> > when I
> > > > replaced it because of a leak. I thought about snugging up the
bolts
> > for the
> > > > head first, but didn't know if that would help any. Any
suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > > 84 CJ-7

Dan Ferrell

I guess I will pull the valve cover off and try it again. What a PITA
though, that back bolt is hell to tighten down. Maybe I will be lucky and
get it to stop this time. Getting tired of putting oil in all the time.

Dan
84 CJ7

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40376887.980B35C2@sympatico.ca...
> There are oil channels the oil runs back down after it has lubed the
> top.
>
> You could have a leaky head gasket there letting oil just run out, it
> happens.
>
> One other thing is maybe a leak at the back running across the crack and
> just wicking along it imitating a head gasket leak. I would maybe be
> running a clean rag along the back side of the valve cover with the
> engine running just to see...
>
> You 'sure' wouldn't be the first person to have to do the valve cover
> over again because it leaked worse after being 'fixed' the first time.
> All it takes is one fingerprint on the head or edge of the valve cover
> during assembly to cause a new leak.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dan Ferrell wrote:
> >
> > That was what I thought. But my knowledge of engines in minimum to
say
> > the least. I just can't figure out where it is coming from if thats not
the
> > place. I pulled all of the smog stuff off several months ago and pluged
all
> > the leaking vacuum lines and thats when the leak got worse. I guess it
> > still might be coming from the valve cover, but it is strange how it
only
> > appears down the one side for about 9 inches, and stays below the head
in a
> > nice straight line.
> >
> > Dan
> > 84 CJ 7
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:4036A2EA.B46C5A7D@***.net...
> > > Hi Dan,
> > > I really, really doubt it is leaking from your head gasket,
there
> > > is no oil pressure there, as the rockers oil via the push rods:
> > > http://www.----------.com/oilgalle.jpg
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:--------------------
> > >
> > > Dan Ferrell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was looking at the oil leak on my 84 CJ (258) today. It has
been
> > getting
> > > > worse. It looks like the oil is coming out between the head and
the
> > block.
> > > > I cleaned the engine and started it up and could see on the back
> > passenger
> > > > side between the head and the block a small leak of oil. It comes
out
> > for
> > > > about 9 or 10 inches moving towards the front and gets real bad
while
> > I'm
> > > > driving. Is it time to replace the head gasket?? If so how hard
is it
> > to
> > > > do. About the deepest I've been in this engine is the valve
cover,
> > when I
> > > > replaced it because of a leak. I thought about snugging up the
bolts
> > for the
> > > > head first, but didn't know if that would help any. Any
suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > > 84 CJ-7

Dan Ferrell

I guess I will pull the valve cover off and try it again. What a PITA
though, that back bolt is hell to tighten down. Maybe I will be lucky and
get it to stop this time. Getting tired of putting oil in all the time.

Dan
84 CJ7

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40376887.980B35C2@sympatico.ca...
> There are oil channels the oil runs back down after it has lubed the
> top.
>
> You could have a leaky head gasket there letting oil just run out, it
> happens.
>
> One other thing is maybe a leak at the back running across the crack and
> just wicking along it imitating a head gasket leak. I would maybe be
> running a clean rag along the back side of the valve cover with the
> engine running just to see...
>
> You 'sure' wouldn't be the first person to have to do the valve cover
> over again because it leaked worse after being 'fixed' the first time.
> All it takes is one fingerprint on the head or edge of the valve cover
> during assembly to cause a new leak.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dan Ferrell wrote:
> >
> > That was what I thought. But my knowledge of engines in minimum to
say
> > the least. I just can't figure out where it is coming from if thats not
the
> > place. I pulled all of the smog stuff off several months ago and pluged
all
> > the leaking vacuum lines and thats when the leak got worse. I guess it
> > still might be coming from the valve cover, but it is strange how it
only
> > appears down the one side for about 9 inches, and stays below the head
in a
> > nice straight line.
> >
> > Dan
> > 84 CJ 7
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:4036A2EA.B46C5A7D@***.net...
> > > Hi Dan,
> > > I really, really doubt it is leaking from your head gasket,
there
> > > is no oil pressure there, as the rockers oil via the push rods:
> > > http://www.----------.com/oilgalle.jpg
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:--------------------
> > >
> > > Dan Ferrell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was looking at the oil leak on my 84 CJ (258) today. It has
been
> > getting
> > > > worse. It looks like the oil is coming out between the head and
the
> > block.
> > > > I cleaned the engine and started it up and could see on the back
> > passenger
> > > > side between the head and the block a small leak of oil. It comes
out
> > for
> > > > about 9 or 10 inches moving towards the front and gets real bad
while
> > I'm
> > > > driving. Is it time to replace the head gasket?? If so how hard
is it
> > to
> > > > do. About the deepest I've been in this engine is the valve
cover,
> > when I
> > > > replaced it because of a leak. I thought about snugging up the
bolts
> > for the
> > > > head first, but didn't know if that would help any. Any
suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > > 84 CJ-7