Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Hi Bill,
I would like to remind you that the word synthetic is not used like synthetic rubber where the rubber is made from petroleum, rather than any part of the rubber tree, as synthetic oil is refined from the same petroleum products as you so called "dino" just one more cracker refine step to basestocks. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Earle, > > I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake > you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. > > I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the > dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter > are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Hi Bill,
I would like to remind you that the word synthetic is not used like synthetic rubber where the rubber is made from petroleum, rather than any part of the rubber tree, as synthetic oil is refined from the same petroleum products as you so called "dino" just one more cracker refine step to basestocks. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Earle, > > I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake > you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. > > I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the > dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter > are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never
low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > Bill, > > You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you? > > You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil, > but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^) > > Earle |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never
low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > Bill, > > You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you? > > You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil, > but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^) > > Earle |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never
low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > Bill, > > You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you? > > You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil, > but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^) > > Earle |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
sludge, same thing.
> > Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never > low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove > that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil > return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
sludge, same thing.
> > Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never > low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove > that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil > return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
sludge, same thing.
> > Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never > low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove > that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil > return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I just remember my first car a '48 Hudson, a twenty dollar car that
I carried a gallon of Raylube with it: http://www.----------.com/hudson.jpg > Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never > low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove > that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil > return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I just remember my first car a '48 Hudson, a twenty dollar car that
I carried a gallon of Raylube with it: http://www.----------.com/hudson.jpg > Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never > low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove > that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil > return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I just remember my first car a '48 Hudson, a twenty dollar car that
I carried a gallon of Raylube with it: http://www.----------.com/hudson.jpg > Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never > low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove > that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil > return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
The two methods are different ways to arrive at the same place.
Ya know there are a few times when having a specialized Chemistry Degree comes in handy, those 7 years weren't totally wasted.... The PAO method takes chemicals initially small molecules and chemically joins them to make molecules of the desired size and shape. It may be of interest that the esters used to build PAO oils are initially derived from petroleum. If the next group is referred to as 'dino spit' perhaps this group may be referred to as 'dino phlegm' The dino method that you mention starts with Base II oil (conventional automobile is the inferior BaseII) and chemically or enzymatically cleves them at specific points in their structure to be the desired size and shape. What you end up with in either scenario is a collection of molecules that are the size and shape that the engineers specified. You might ask why is there two methods..... I am not a chemist for the petroleum industry so I haven't any inside scoop other than what little my brother, who works for Exxon, tells me. Generally there are 3 reasons for multiple pathways. 1. Primary research went down multiple paths 2. Protected by patent. 3. Cost Is one technology better than the other? Hmmmm good question, hard to answer. There are some minor differences that fall within the design specs. The groupIII derived oils theoretically could have low levels of non design elements (i.e. contaminants), this would be trumpeted by the PAO supporters who claim that their favorite is free of these 'dino droppings' The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure although some advertising departments spend millions of dollars per year to make you believe otherwise. Benefits of synthetic oil? Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if synthetic oil is used. Synthetic oils have high resistance to changes in viscosity due to temperature. As a result, they provide a heavier, more stable protective oil film for engine bearings and piston rings than is provided by similar SAE-grade mineral oils. Synthetic oil permits better cold weather performance and longer endurance. Manufacturers claim that synthetic oil yields better fuel economy, reductions in friction and wear, decreased oil consumption, improved performance, and extended drain intervals. Disadvantages of synthetic oil? Synthetic oil costs more than conventional oil. However, the higher cost is typically offset by reduced waste generation. Since synthetic oil has improved fluidity, oil loss will occur more quickly through leaks because the thinner fluid will flow through a bad seal or worn ring. Some synthetic compounds are not compatible with conventional oils. (no longer the case with motor oil) The lower friction resulting from the use of a synthetic lubricant makes them unsuitable for break-in. There is, of course, an economic impact that I will be happy to further discuss as well as study I participated in where the biological effect of a chemical derived from (basically) the two methods mentioned above were studied. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4531B4E6.44D49319@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > I would like to remind you that the word synthetic is not used like > synthetic rubber where the rubber is made from petroleum, rather than > any part of the rubber tree, as synthetic oil is refined from the same > petroleum products as you so called "dino" just one more cracker refine > step to basestocks. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > billy ray wrote: >> >> Earle, >> >> I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might >> mistake >> you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. >> >> I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when >> the >> dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and >> filter >> are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
The two methods are different ways to arrive at the same place.
Ya know there are a few times when having a specialized Chemistry Degree comes in handy, those 7 years weren't totally wasted.... The PAO method takes chemicals initially small molecules and chemically joins them to make molecules of the desired size and shape. It may be of interest that the esters used to build PAO oils are initially derived from petroleum. If the next group is referred to as 'dino spit' perhaps this group may be referred to as 'dino phlegm' The dino method that you mention starts with Base II oil (conventional automobile is the inferior BaseII) and chemically or enzymatically cleves them at specific points in their structure to be the desired size and shape. What you end up with in either scenario is a collection of molecules that are the size and shape that the engineers specified. You might ask why is there two methods..... I am not a chemist for the petroleum industry so I haven't any inside scoop other than what little my brother, who works for Exxon, tells me. Generally there are 3 reasons for multiple pathways. 1. Primary research went down multiple paths 2. Protected by patent. 3. Cost Is one technology better than the other? Hmmmm good question, hard to answer. There are some minor differences that fall within the design specs. The groupIII derived oils theoretically could have low levels of non design elements (i.e. contaminants), this would be trumpeted by the PAO supporters who claim that their favorite is free of these 'dino droppings' The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure although some advertising departments spend millions of dollars per year to make you believe otherwise. Benefits of synthetic oil? Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if synthetic oil is used. Synthetic oils have high resistance to changes in viscosity due to temperature. As a result, they provide a heavier, more stable protective oil film for engine bearings and piston rings than is provided by similar SAE-grade mineral oils. Synthetic oil permits better cold weather performance and longer endurance. Manufacturers claim that synthetic oil yields better fuel economy, reductions in friction and wear, decreased oil consumption, improved performance, and extended drain intervals. Disadvantages of synthetic oil? Synthetic oil costs more than conventional oil. However, the higher cost is typically offset by reduced waste generation. Since synthetic oil has improved fluidity, oil loss will occur more quickly through leaks because the thinner fluid will flow through a bad seal or worn ring. Some synthetic compounds are not compatible with conventional oils. (no longer the case with motor oil) The lower friction resulting from the use of a synthetic lubricant makes them unsuitable for break-in. There is, of course, an economic impact that I will be happy to further discuss as well as study I participated in where the biological effect of a chemical derived from (basically) the two methods mentioned above were studied. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4531B4E6.44D49319@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > I would like to remind you that the word synthetic is not used like > synthetic rubber where the rubber is made from petroleum, rather than > any part of the rubber tree, as synthetic oil is refined from the same > petroleum products as you so called "dino" just one more cracker refine > step to basestocks. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > billy ray wrote: >> >> Earle, >> >> I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might >> mistake >> you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. >> >> I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when >> the >> dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and >> filter >> are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
The two methods are different ways to arrive at the same place.
Ya know there are a few times when having a specialized Chemistry Degree comes in handy, those 7 years weren't totally wasted.... The PAO method takes chemicals initially small molecules and chemically joins them to make molecules of the desired size and shape. It may be of interest that the esters used to build PAO oils are initially derived from petroleum. If the next group is referred to as 'dino spit' perhaps this group may be referred to as 'dino phlegm' The dino method that you mention starts with Base II oil (conventional automobile is the inferior BaseII) and chemically or enzymatically cleves them at specific points in their structure to be the desired size and shape. What you end up with in either scenario is a collection of molecules that are the size and shape that the engineers specified. You might ask why is there two methods..... I am not a chemist for the petroleum industry so I haven't any inside scoop other than what little my brother, who works for Exxon, tells me. Generally there are 3 reasons for multiple pathways. 1. Primary research went down multiple paths 2. Protected by patent. 3. Cost Is one technology better than the other? Hmmmm good question, hard to answer. There are some minor differences that fall within the design specs. The groupIII derived oils theoretically could have low levels of non design elements (i.e. contaminants), this would be trumpeted by the PAO supporters who claim that their favorite is free of these 'dino droppings' The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure although some advertising departments spend millions of dollars per year to make you believe otherwise. Benefits of synthetic oil? Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if synthetic oil is used. Synthetic oils have high resistance to changes in viscosity due to temperature. As a result, they provide a heavier, more stable protective oil film for engine bearings and piston rings than is provided by similar SAE-grade mineral oils. Synthetic oil permits better cold weather performance and longer endurance. Manufacturers claim that synthetic oil yields better fuel economy, reductions in friction and wear, decreased oil consumption, improved performance, and extended drain intervals. Disadvantages of synthetic oil? Synthetic oil costs more than conventional oil. However, the higher cost is typically offset by reduced waste generation. Since synthetic oil has improved fluidity, oil loss will occur more quickly through leaks because the thinner fluid will flow through a bad seal or worn ring. Some synthetic compounds are not compatible with conventional oils. (no longer the case with motor oil) The lower friction resulting from the use of a synthetic lubricant makes them unsuitable for break-in. There is, of course, an economic impact that I will be happy to further discuss as well as study I participated in where the biological effect of a chemical derived from (basically) the two methods mentioned above were studied. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4531B4E6.44D49319@cox.net... > Hi Bill, > I would like to remind you that the word synthetic is not used like > synthetic rubber where the rubber is made from petroleum, rather than > any part of the rubber tree, as synthetic oil is refined from the same > petroleum products as you so called "dino" just one more cracker refine > step to basestocks. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > billy ray wrote: >> >> Earle, >> >> I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might >> mistake >> you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. >> >> I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when >> the >> dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and >> filter >> are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I noticed an serious error... the dino derived synthetic oil comes from the
superior Group III base not the inferior Group II that is used for almost all automotive oil. "> > The dino method that you mention starts with Base II oil (conventional > automobile is the inferior BaseII) and chemically or enzymatically cleves |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I noticed an serious error... the dino derived synthetic oil comes from the
superior Group III base not the inferior Group II that is used for almost all automotive oil. "> > The dino method that you mention starts with Base II oil (conventional > automobile is the inferior BaseII) and chemically or enzymatically cleves |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I noticed an serious error... the dino derived synthetic oil comes from the
superior Group III base not the inferior Group II that is used for almost all automotive oil. "> > The dino method that you mention starts with Base II oil (conventional > automobile is the inferior BaseII) and chemically or enzymatically cleves |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:68f89$453245ca$422afc51$20917@FUSE.NET... ---snip--- > The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that > are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure Uh, so do all dino oils, have "minuscule contaminants of their own that are within their design specs". ---snip--- > Benefits of synthetic oil? > Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; > thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if > synthetic oil is used. ---snip--- Are you suggesting that this information could be relevant to an automotive application? Because the last time Mike posted the charter, it sure looked like an automotive group charter. Well, I am getting roughly 5,000 miles between changes, mostly highway use in my Wrangler. This says that I could go 10,000 to 25,000 if I switched to synthetic. I am looking at the part that says, "waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times", and the only way you can do that, is to extend the change interval. Most of the people I know, who have been using synthetic, use a 3,000 mile change interval. In that case, the fact that, "synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil", if it does, is of no use to them. Cheers, Earle -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:68f89$453245ca$422afc51$20917@FUSE.NET... ---snip--- > The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that > are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure Uh, so do all dino oils, have "minuscule contaminants of their own that are within their design specs". ---snip--- > Benefits of synthetic oil? > Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; > thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if > synthetic oil is used. ---snip--- Are you suggesting that this information could be relevant to an automotive application? Because the last time Mike posted the charter, it sure looked like an automotive group charter. Well, I am getting roughly 5,000 miles between changes, mostly highway use in my Wrangler. This says that I could go 10,000 to 25,000 if I switched to synthetic. I am looking at the part that says, "waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times", and the only way you can do that, is to extend the change interval. Most of the people I know, who have been using synthetic, use a 3,000 mile change interval. In that case, the fact that, "synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil", if it does, is of no use to them. Cheers, Earle -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:68f89$453245ca$422afc51$20917@FUSE.NET... ---snip--- > The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that > are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure Uh, so do all dino oils, have "minuscule contaminants of their own that are within their design specs". ---snip--- > Benefits of synthetic oil? > Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; > thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if > synthetic oil is used. ---snip--- Are you suggesting that this information could be relevant to an automotive application? Because the last time Mike posted the charter, it sure looked like an automotive group charter. Well, I am getting roughly 5,000 miles between changes, mostly highway use in my Wrangler. This says that I could go 10,000 to 25,000 if I switched to synthetic. I am looking at the part that says, "waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times", and the only way you can do that, is to extend the change interval. Most of the people I know, who have been using synthetic, use a 3,000 mile change interval. In that case, the fact that, "synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil", if it does, is of no use to them. Cheers, Earle -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I've owned two Corvairs [65 140 hp Corsa, 66 180 hp Corsa] and one Type
IV VW engine in a 914. None of them burned as much as a quart between 3k-4k mile oil changes. Even an 85 RX7 only burned about a half quart--and that was an engine where *not* burning oil was a bad thing given that it had a precision oil injector. L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed: > Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never > low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove > that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil > return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Earle Horton wrote: > >>Bill, >> >>You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you? >> >>You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil, >>but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^) >> >>Earle |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I've owned two Corvairs [65 140 hp Corsa, 66 180 hp Corsa] and one Type
IV VW engine in a 914. None of them burned as much as a quart between 3k-4k mile oil changes. Even an 85 RX7 only burned about a half quart--and that was an engine where *not* burning oil was a bad thing given that it had a precision oil injector. L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed: > Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never > low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove > that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil > return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Earle Horton wrote: > >>Bill, >> >>You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you? >> >>You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil, >>but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^) >> >>Earle |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I've owned two Corvairs [65 140 hp Corsa, 66 180 hp Corsa] and one Type
IV VW engine in a 914. None of them burned as much as a quart between 3k-4k mile oil changes. Even an 85 RX7 only burned about a half quart--and that was an engine where *not* burning oil was a bad thing given that it had a precision oil injector. L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed: > Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never > low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove > that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil > return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Earle Horton wrote: > >>Bill, >> >>You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you? >> >>You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil, >>but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^) >> >>Earle |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Earle, It is interesting to note that you took a reply to Bill concerning
the actual source of the lubricants and dissected out a few sentences and intentionally used them out of context. Are you sure you never worked for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/ or the Turner-Commie-We just make up the news Network? >"Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in >message >news:4532427d$0$19682 > $88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:68f89$453245ca$422afc51$20917@FUSE.NET... > ---snip--- >> The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that >> are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure > > Uh, so do all dino oils, have "minuscule contaminants of their own that > are > within their design specs". Earle, the paragraph previous to this one mentions contaminants in the Group III base oil. I will assume you read it and chose to act if it were never mentioned.... a trick worthy of an experienced politician > > ---snip--- >> Benefits of synthetic oil? >> Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; >> thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if >> synthetic oil is used. > ---snip--- > > Are you suggesting that this information could be relevant to an > automotive > application? Because the last time Mike posted the charter, it sure > looked > like an automotive group charter. This addresses the problem of 'waste' motor oil disposal... but of course you knew that also. If the 'waste' oil was coming from a Jeep it would be covered. In any event I think any discussion of motor oil or gear lubricants would fit within the spirit of the charter. > Most of the people I know, who have been using synthetic, use a 3,000 mile > change interval. This is the interval I have generally used for more than 30 years except when I was running full synthetic in turbocharged AUDIs., the interval there was 5000 miles. I'm surprised you failed to jump in my GroupII error that was corrected in the next post 26 minutes later, perhaps that is because you don't have a degree in chemistry and haven't a clue as to what I am talking about. (but then I don't claim to know what makes computers work) |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Earle, It is interesting to note that you took a reply to Bill concerning
the actual source of the lubricants and dissected out a few sentences and intentionally used them out of context. Are you sure you never worked for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/ or the Turner-Commie-We just make up the news Network? >"Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in >message >news:4532427d$0$19682 > $88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:68f89$453245ca$422afc51$20917@FUSE.NET... > ---snip--- >> The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that >> are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure > > Uh, so do all dino oils, have "minuscule contaminants of their own that > are > within their design specs". Earle, the paragraph previous to this one mentions contaminants in the Group III base oil. I will assume you read it and chose to act if it were never mentioned.... a trick worthy of an experienced politician > > ---snip--- >> Benefits of synthetic oil? >> Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; >> thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if >> synthetic oil is used. > ---snip--- > > Are you suggesting that this information could be relevant to an > automotive > application? Because the last time Mike posted the charter, it sure > looked > like an automotive group charter. This addresses the problem of 'waste' motor oil disposal... but of course you knew that also. If the 'waste' oil was coming from a Jeep it would be covered. In any event I think any discussion of motor oil or gear lubricants would fit within the spirit of the charter. > Most of the people I know, who have been using synthetic, use a 3,000 mile > change interval. This is the interval I have generally used for more than 30 years except when I was running full synthetic in turbocharged AUDIs., the interval there was 5000 miles. I'm surprised you failed to jump in my GroupII error that was corrected in the next post 26 minutes later, perhaps that is because you don't have a degree in chemistry and haven't a clue as to what I am talking about. (but then I don't claim to know what makes computers work) |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Earle, It is interesting to note that you took a reply to Bill concerning
the actual source of the lubricants and dissected out a few sentences and intentionally used them out of context. Are you sure you never worked for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/ or the Turner-Commie-We just make up the news Network? >"Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in >message >news:4532427d$0$19682 > $88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:68f89$453245ca$422afc51$20917@FUSE.NET... > ---snip--- >> The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that >> are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure > > Uh, so do all dino oils, have "minuscule contaminants of their own that > are > within their design specs". Earle, the paragraph previous to this one mentions contaminants in the Group III base oil. I will assume you read it and chose to act if it were never mentioned.... a trick worthy of an experienced politician > > ---snip--- >> Benefits of synthetic oil? >> Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; >> thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if >> synthetic oil is used. > ---snip--- > > Are you suggesting that this information could be relevant to an > automotive > application? Because the last time Mike posted the charter, it sure > looked > like an automotive group charter. This addresses the problem of 'waste' motor oil disposal... but of course you knew that also. If the 'waste' oil was coming from a Jeep it would be covered. In any event I think any discussion of motor oil or gear lubricants would fit within the spirit of the charter. > Most of the people I know, who have been using synthetic, use a 3,000 mile > change interval. This is the interval I have generally used for more than 30 years except when I was running full synthetic in turbocharged AUDIs., the interval there was 5000 miles. I'm surprised you failed to jump in my GroupII error that was corrected in the next post 26 minutes later, perhaps that is because you don't have a degree in chemistry and haven't a clue as to what I am talking about. (but then I don't claim to know what makes computers work) |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Is the election campaign in your district really close? You seem to be
bringing politics into an inordinant number of discussions lately. I'm sure your TV has the Fox "Call the --------- Rep from Florida a Democrat" News logo burned into the screen... :-) "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:12f95$4532899a$422afc51$8591@FUSE.NET... > Earle, It is interesting to note that you took a reply to Bill concerning > the > actual source of the lubricants and dissected out a few sentences and > intentionally used them out of context. > > Are you sure you never worked for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/ or the Turner-Commie-We > just make up the news Network? > >>"Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in >message >>news:4532427d$0$19682 >> $88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:68f89$453245ca$422afc51$20917@FUSE.NET... >> ---snip--- >>> The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that >>> are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure >> >> Uh, so do all dino oils, have "minuscule contaminants of their own that >> are >> within their design specs". > > Earle, the paragraph previous to this one mentions contaminants in the > Group > III base oil. I will assume you read it and chose to act if it were never > mentioned.... a trick worthy of an experienced politician > > >> >> ---snip--- >>> Benefits of synthetic oil? >>> Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; >>> thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if >>> synthetic oil is used. >> ---snip--- >> >> Are you suggesting that this information could be relevant to an >> automotive >> application? Because the last time Mike posted the charter, it sure >> looked >> like an automotive group charter. > > This addresses the problem of 'waste' motor oil disposal... but of course > you knew that also. If the 'waste' oil was coming from a Jeep it would be > covered. In any event I think any discussion of motor oil or gear > lubricants would fit within the spirit of the charter. > > > > >> Most of the people I know, who have been using synthetic, use a 3,000 >> mile >> change interval. > > This is the interval I have generally used for more than 30 years except > when I was running full synthetic in turbocharged AUDIs., the interval > there > was 5000 miles. > > I'm surprised you failed to jump in my GroupII error that was corrected in > the next post 26 minutes later, perhaps that is because you don't have a > degree in chemistry and haven't a clue as to what I am talking about. (but > then I don't claim to know what makes computers work) > > > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Is the election campaign in your district really close? You seem to be
bringing politics into an inordinant number of discussions lately. I'm sure your TV has the Fox "Call the --------- Rep from Florida a Democrat" News logo burned into the screen... :-) "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:12f95$4532899a$422afc51$8591@FUSE.NET... > Earle, It is interesting to note that you took a reply to Bill concerning > the > actual source of the lubricants and dissected out a few sentences and > intentionally used them out of context. > > Are you sure you never worked for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/ or the Turner-Commie-We > just make up the news Network? > >>"Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in >message >>news:4532427d$0$19682 >> $88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:68f89$453245ca$422afc51$20917@FUSE.NET... >> ---snip--- >>> The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that >>> are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure >> >> Uh, so do all dino oils, have "minuscule contaminants of their own that >> are >> within their design specs". > > Earle, the paragraph previous to this one mentions contaminants in the > Group > III base oil. I will assume you read it and chose to act if it were never > mentioned.... a trick worthy of an experienced politician > > >> >> ---snip--- >>> Benefits of synthetic oil? >>> Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; >>> thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if >>> synthetic oil is used. >> ---snip--- >> >> Are you suggesting that this information could be relevant to an >> automotive >> application? Because the last time Mike posted the charter, it sure >> looked >> like an automotive group charter. > > This addresses the problem of 'waste' motor oil disposal... but of course > you knew that also. If the 'waste' oil was coming from a Jeep it would be > covered. In any event I think any discussion of motor oil or gear > lubricants would fit within the spirit of the charter. > > > > >> Most of the people I know, who have been using synthetic, use a 3,000 >> mile >> change interval. > > This is the interval I have generally used for more than 30 years except > when I was running full synthetic in turbocharged AUDIs., the interval > there > was 5000 miles. > > I'm surprised you failed to jump in my GroupII error that was corrected in > the next post 26 minutes later, perhaps that is because you don't have a > degree in chemistry and haven't a clue as to what I am talking about. (but > then I don't claim to know what makes computers work) > > > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Is the election campaign in your district really close? You seem to be
bringing politics into an inordinant number of discussions lately. I'm sure your TV has the Fox "Call the --------- Rep from Florida a Democrat" News logo burned into the screen... :-) "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:12f95$4532899a$422afc51$8591@FUSE.NET... > Earle, It is interesting to note that you took a reply to Bill concerning > the > actual source of the lubricants and dissected out a few sentences and > intentionally used them out of context. > > Are you sure you never worked for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/ or the Turner-Commie-We > just make up the news Network? > >>"Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in >message >>news:4532427d$0$19682 >> $88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:68f89$453245ca$422afc51$20917@FUSE.NET... >> ---snip--- >>> The PAO derived also have minuscule contaminants of their own that >>> are within their design specs. As you see..... nothing is 100% pure >> >> Uh, so do all dino oils, have "minuscule contaminants of their own that >> are >> within their design specs". > > Earle, the paragraph previous to this one mentions contaminants in the > Group > III base oil. I will assume you read it and chose to act if it were never > mentioned.... a trick worthy of an experienced politician > > >> >> ---snip--- >>> Benefits of synthetic oil? >>> Synthetic oil lasts two to five times longer than conventional oil; >>> thus, waste oil generation can be reduced two to five times if >>> synthetic oil is used. >> ---snip--- >> >> Are you suggesting that this information could be relevant to an >> automotive >> application? Because the last time Mike posted the charter, it sure >> looked >> like an automotive group charter. > > This addresses the problem of 'waste' motor oil disposal... but of course > you knew that also. If the 'waste' oil was coming from a Jeep it would be > covered. In any event I think any discussion of motor oil or gear > lubricants would fit within the spirit of the charter. > > > > >> Most of the people I know, who have been using synthetic, use a 3,000 >> mile >> change interval. > > This is the interval I have generally used for more than 30 years except > when I was running full synthetic in turbocharged AUDIs., the interval > there > was 5000 miles. > > I'm surprised you failed to jump in my GroupII error that was corrected in > the next post 26 minutes later, perhaps that is because you don't have a > degree in chemistry and haven't a clue as to what I am talking about. (but > then I don't claim to know what makes computers work) > > > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Hi Bill,
And where did this "superior group III" come from??????? It was cracked by an oil refinery, refining crude. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > I noticed an serious error... the dino derived synthetic oil comes from the > superior Group III base not the inferior Group II that is used for almost > all automotive oil. > > "> > > The dino method that you mention starts with Base II oil (conventional > > automobile is the inferior BaseII) and chemically or enzymatically cleves |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Hi Bill,
And where did this "superior group III" come from??????? It was cracked by an oil refinery, refining crude. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > I noticed an serious error... the dino derived synthetic oil comes from the > superior Group III base not the inferior Group II that is used for almost > all automotive oil. > > "> > > The dino method that you mention starts with Base II oil (conventional > > automobile is the inferior BaseII) and chemically or enzymatically cleves |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Hi Bill,
And where did this "superior group III" come from??????? It was cracked by an oil refinery, refining crude. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > I noticed an serious error... the dino derived synthetic oil comes from the > superior Group III base not the inferior Group II that is used for almost > all automotive oil. > > "> > > The dino method that you mention starts with Base II oil (conventional > > automobile is the inferior BaseII) and chemically or enzymatically cleves |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I could say the same of you, almost Al Gore like hatred of oil,
wanting us to using anything but oil even though it usually cost six times as much in petroleum to use wind, solar, biodiesel, or Ehtanol. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Earle, It is interesting to note that you took a reply to Bill concerning > the > actual source of the lubricants and dissected out a few sentences and > intentionally used them out of context. > > Are you sure you never worked for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/ or the Turner-Commie-We > just make up the news Network? |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I could say the same of you, almost Al Gore like hatred of oil,
wanting us to using anything but oil even though it usually cost six times as much in petroleum to use wind, solar, biodiesel, or Ehtanol. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Earle, It is interesting to note that you took a reply to Bill concerning > the > actual source of the lubricants and dissected out a few sentences and > intentionally used them out of context. > > Are you sure you never worked for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/ or the Turner-Commie-We > just make up the news Network? |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I could say the same of you, almost Al Gore like hatred of oil,
wanting us to using anything but oil even though it usually cost six times as much in petroleum to use wind, solar, biodiesel, or Ehtanol. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Earle, It is interesting to note that you took a reply to Bill concerning > the > actual source of the lubricants and dissected out a few sentences and > intentionally used them out of context. > > Are you sure you never worked for ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/ or the Turner-Commie-We > just make up the news Network? |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Yes the air cooled engines mostly leaked oil from their push rods
and valve covers, but they are still too dirty to ever pass SMOG. And like the injector for the seals, that's oil! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon wrote: > > I've owned two Corvairs [65 140 hp Corsa, 66 180 hp Corsa] and one Type > IV VW engine in a 914. None of them burned as much as a quart between > 3k-4k mile oil changes. Even an 85 RX7 only burned about a half > quart--and that was an engine where *not* burning oil was a bad thing > given that it had a precision oil injector. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Yes the air cooled engines mostly leaked oil from their push rods
and valve covers, but they are still too dirty to ever pass SMOG. And like the injector for the seals, that's oil! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon wrote: > > I've owned two Corvairs [65 140 hp Corsa, 66 180 hp Corsa] and one Type > IV VW engine in a 914. None of them burned as much as a quart between > 3k-4k mile oil changes. Even an 85 RX7 only burned about a half > quart--and that was an engine where *not* burning oil was a bad thing > given that it had a precision oil injector. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Yes the air cooled engines mostly leaked oil from their push rods
and valve covers, but they are still too dirty to ever pass SMOG. And like the injector for the seals, that's oil! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Lon wrote: > > I've owned two Corvairs [65 140 hp Corsa, 66 180 hp Corsa] and one Type > IV VW engine in a 914. None of them burned as much as a quart between > 3k-4k mile oil changes. Even an 85 RX7 only burned about a half > quart--and that was an engine where *not* burning oil was a bad thing > given that it had a precision oil injector. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Don't you get air cooled Porsches in California ?
Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45331A8D.F4DC5C61@cox.net... > Yes the air cooled engines mostly leaked oil from their push rods > and valve covers, but they are still too dirty to ever pass SMOG. And > like the injector for the seals, that's oil! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Lon wrote: > > > > I've owned two Corvairs [65 140 hp Corsa, 66 180 hp Corsa] and one Type > > IV VW engine in a 914. None of them burned as much as a quart between > > 3k-4k mile oil changes. Even an 85 RX7 only burned about a half > > quart--and that was an engine where *not* burning oil was a bad thing > > given that it had a precision oil injector. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Don't you get air cooled Porsches in California ?
Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45331A8D.F4DC5C61@cox.net... > Yes the air cooled engines mostly leaked oil from their push rods > and valve covers, but they are still too dirty to ever pass SMOG. And > like the injector for the seals, that's oil! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Lon wrote: > > > > I've owned two Corvairs [65 140 hp Corsa, 66 180 hp Corsa] and one Type > > IV VW engine in a 914. None of them burned as much as a quart between > > 3k-4k mile oil changes. Even an 85 RX7 only burned about a half > > quart--and that was an engine where *not* burning oil was a bad thing > > given that it had a precision oil injector. |
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