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Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
He has a 2000 V-8 so it should be the 4.7
"philthy" <"noway "@ seeya.net> wrote in message news:28356$44fc2883$d8ea7e82$1315@123.NET... > what engine do you have??? > > Carl wrote: > >> And 5w is so light, it's probably burning when it's cold. >> >> Carl >> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:FyIKg.14665$lv.10645@fed1read12... >> > At normal running temps, 10W-30 and 5W-30 are identical 30 weight oils. >> > The 5W is only that weight when it's cold. >> > >> > Jerry >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> >> The 5w30 is a little thin for the mileage on that engine. Putting in >> >> 10w30 should help. >> >> >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message >> >> news:dcidnUZBptfMrmfZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> >>> I have not detected any leaks, or had compression testing. I will >> >>> pay >> >>> more >> >>> attention to the items mentioned, including the possibility of >> >>> restricted >> >>> CCV system. >> >>> >> >>> I use 5W-30 weight oil. >> >>> >> >>> My best guess is that it is burning the oil, but I can't be certain. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks to all for the replies. >> >>> >> >>> --James-- >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Jerry Bransford >> > PP-ASEL N6TAY >> > See the Geezer Jeep at >> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
He has a 2000 V-8 so it should be the 4.7
"philthy" <"noway "@ seeya.net> wrote in message news:28356$44fc2883$d8ea7e82$1315@123.NET... > what engine do you have??? > > Carl wrote: > >> And 5w is so light, it's probably burning when it's cold. >> >> Carl >> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:FyIKg.14665$lv.10645@fed1read12... >> > At normal running temps, 10W-30 and 5W-30 are identical 30 weight oils. >> > The 5W is only that weight when it's cold. >> > >> > Jerry >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> >> The 5w30 is a little thin for the mileage on that engine. Putting in >> >> 10w30 should help. >> >> >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message >> >> news:dcidnUZBptfMrmfZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> >>> I have not detected any leaks, or had compression testing. I will >> >>> pay >> >>> more >> >>> attention to the items mentioned, including the possibility of >> >>> restricted >> >>> CCV system. >> >>> >> >>> I use 5W-30 weight oil. >> >>> >> >>> My best guess is that it is burning the oil, but I can't be certain. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks to all for the replies. >> >>> >> >>> --James-- >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Jerry Bransford >> > PP-ASEL N6TAY >> > See the Geezer Jeep at >> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
He has a 2000 V-8 so it should be the 4.7
"philthy" <"noway "@ seeya.net> wrote in message news:28356$44fc2883$d8ea7e82$1315@123.NET... > what engine do you have??? > > Carl wrote: > >> And 5w is so light, it's probably burning when it's cold. >> >> Carl >> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:FyIKg.14665$lv.10645@fed1read12... >> > At normal running temps, 10W-30 and 5W-30 are identical 30 weight oils. >> > The 5W is only that weight when it's cold. >> > >> > Jerry >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> >> The 5w30 is a little thin for the mileage on that engine. Putting in >> >> 10w30 should help. >> >> >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message >> >> news:dcidnUZBptfMrmfZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> >>> I have not detected any leaks, or had compression testing. I will >> >>> pay >> >>> more >> >>> attention to the items mentioned, including the possibility of >> >>> restricted >> >>> CCV system. >> >>> >> >>> I use 5W-30 weight oil. >> >>> >> >>> My best guess is that it is burning the oil, but I can't be certain. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks to all for the replies. >> >>> >> >>> --James-- >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Jerry Bransford >> > PP-ASEL N6TAY >> > See the Geezer Jeep at >> > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Technically STP was a Granatelli product... the guys that scared the bejasus out of the Indy 500 folks until a bearing gave loose. The problem with all the recommendations to go to 10W anything is that they presume the oil temperature would be staying low orders of magnitude longer than it really does in any engine in temperate climes. Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed: > STP is great stuff in a really tired engine, but that doesn't really > sound like James's problem. > > Before adding something like STP I'd try the 10W-30 change and if that > didn't do it 10W-40. > > But a sudden change would be worrisome, with normal wear the increase > should be gradual, I suspect something else is going on, and probably a > lot cheaper to fix than a ring job! > > (By the way, did you guys know STP used to be a Studebaker product? <G>) > > Jeff DeWitt > > Lon wrote: > >> James proclaimed: >> >>> Carl , maybe I will try to switch to 10W-30 and see if that makes a >>> difference. >> >> >> >> >> If your engine has gone from burning no oil to suddenly increased oil >> consumption, something is wrong. It may not be seriously wrong or it >> might be something that if you don't fix it will cost money. First >> look for leaks and then if you don't find any, try >> compression/leakdown test. >> A good mechanic will often tell you whether it is something that will >> just cost you a bit of oil consumption or a lot of money. >> >> After you find out what it is, you might want to try a half can of STP >> in the oil. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Technically STP was a Granatelli product... the guys that scared the bejasus out of the Indy 500 folks until a bearing gave loose. The problem with all the recommendations to go to 10W anything is that they presume the oil temperature would be staying low orders of magnitude longer than it really does in any engine in temperate climes. Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed: > STP is great stuff in a really tired engine, but that doesn't really > sound like James's problem. > > Before adding something like STP I'd try the 10W-30 change and if that > didn't do it 10W-40. > > But a sudden change would be worrisome, with normal wear the increase > should be gradual, I suspect something else is going on, and probably a > lot cheaper to fix than a ring job! > > (By the way, did you guys know STP used to be a Studebaker product? <G>) > > Jeff DeWitt > > Lon wrote: > >> James proclaimed: >> >>> Carl , maybe I will try to switch to 10W-30 and see if that makes a >>> difference. >> >> >> >> >> If your engine has gone from burning no oil to suddenly increased oil >> consumption, something is wrong. It may not be seriously wrong or it >> might be something that if you don't fix it will cost money. First >> look for leaks and then if you don't find any, try >> compression/leakdown test. >> A good mechanic will often tell you whether it is something that will >> just cost you a bit of oil consumption or a lot of money. >> >> After you find out what it is, you might want to try a half can of STP >> in the oil. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Technically STP was a Granatelli product... the guys that scared the bejasus out of the Indy 500 folks until a bearing gave loose. The problem with all the recommendations to go to 10W anything is that they presume the oil temperature would be staying low orders of magnitude longer than it really does in any engine in temperate climes. Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed: > STP is great stuff in a really tired engine, but that doesn't really > sound like James's problem. > > Before adding something like STP I'd try the 10W-30 change and if that > didn't do it 10W-40. > > But a sudden change would be worrisome, with normal wear the increase > should be gradual, I suspect something else is going on, and probably a > lot cheaper to fix than a ring job! > > (By the way, did you guys know STP used to be a Studebaker product? <G>) > > Jeff DeWitt > > Lon wrote: > >> James proclaimed: >> >>> Carl , maybe I will try to switch to 10W-30 and see if that makes a >>> difference. >> >> >> >> >> If your engine has gone from burning no oil to suddenly increased oil >> consumption, something is wrong. It may not be seriously wrong or it >> might be something that if you don't fix it will cost money. First >> look for leaks and then if you don't find any, try >> compression/leakdown test. >> A good mechanic will often tell you whether it is something that will >> just cost you a bit of oil consumption or a lot of money. >> >> After you find out what it is, you might want to try a half can of STP >> in the oil. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
From the STP website:
"In October 1954, three businessmen with a mere $3,000 in start-up capital introduced the first STP® product in St. Joseph, Mo. Scientifically Treated Petroleum, better know as STP, began with one product � STP® Oil Treatment � that helped automobile motor oil resist thinning at high temperatures and pressures. The group, composed of Charles Dwight (Doc) Liggett, Jim Hill and Robert DeHart, began packaging STP® in a backyard garage. They packaged it at night and sold it from the trunks of their cars during their business and pleasure trips. The company�s initial growth and profitability � attributed to strong word-of-mouth and the brand�s link to auto racing � enabled STP to introduce its first Gas Treatment in 1960. In 1961, STP was purchased by the Studebaker Packard Corporation. Andy Granatelli was appointed CEO in 1963 and began to increase the brand�s marketing efforts through auto and boat racing. Eventually, STP sponsored its own Indy Car racing team, featuring Mario Andretti, the winner of the 1969 Indianapolis 500." However if I remember right the three businessmen actually acquired the formula from the German Army and STP started life as a product that helped the German war effort in WWII. Jeff DeWitt Lon wrote: > > Technically STP was a Granatelli product... the guys that scared the > bejasus out of the Indy 500 folks until a bearing gave loose. > > The problem with all the recommendations to go to 10W anything is that > they presume the oil temperature would be staying low orders of > magnitude longer than it really does in any engine in temperate climes. > > > > Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed: > >> STP is great stuff in a really tired engine, but that doesn't really >> sound like James's problem. >> >> Before adding something like STP I'd try the 10W-30 change and if that >> didn't do it 10W-40. >> >> But a sudden change would be worrisome, with normal wear the increase >> should be gradual, I suspect something else is going on, and probably >> a lot cheaper to fix than a ring job! >> >> (By the way, did you guys know STP used to be a Studebaker product? <G>) >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Lon wrote: >> >>> James proclaimed: >>> >>>> Carl , maybe I will try to switch to 10W-30 and see if that makes a >>>> difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If your engine has gone from burning no oil to suddenly increased oil >>> consumption, something is wrong. It may not be seriously wrong or it >>> might be something that if you don't fix it will cost money. First >>> look for leaks and then if you don't find any, try >>> compression/leakdown test. >>> A good mechanic will often tell you whether it is something that will >>> just cost you a bit of oil consumption or a lot of money. >>> >>> After you find out what it is, you might want to try a half can of >>> STP in the oil. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
From the STP website:
"In October 1954, three businessmen with a mere $3,000 in start-up capital introduced the first STP® product in St. Joseph, Mo. Scientifically Treated Petroleum, better know as STP, began with one product � STP® Oil Treatment � that helped automobile motor oil resist thinning at high temperatures and pressures. The group, composed of Charles Dwight (Doc) Liggett, Jim Hill and Robert DeHart, began packaging STP® in a backyard garage. They packaged it at night and sold it from the trunks of their cars during their business and pleasure trips. The company�s initial growth and profitability � attributed to strong word-of-mouth and the brand�s link to auto racing � enabled STP to introduce its first Gas Treatment in 1960. In 1961, STP was purchased by the Studebaker Packard Corporation. Andy Granatelli was appointed CEO in 1963 and began to increase the brand�s marketing efforts through auto and boat racing. Eventually, STP sponsored its own Indy Car racing team, featuring Mario Andretti, the winner of the 1969 Indianapolis 500." However if I remember right the three businessmen actually acquired the formula from the German Army and STP started life as a product that helped the German war effort in WWII. Jeff DeWitt Lon wrote: > > Technically STP was a Granatelli product... the guys that scared the > bejasus out of the Indy 500 folks until a bearing gave loose. > > The problem with all the recommendations to go to 10W anything is that > they presume the oil temperature would be staying low orders of > magnitude longer than it really does in any engine in temperate climes. > > > > Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed: > >> STP is great stuff in a really tired engine, but that doesn't really >> sound like James's problem. >> >> Before adding something like STP I'd try the 10W-30 change and if that >> didn't do it 10W-40. >> >> But a sudden change would be worrisome, with normal wear the increase >> should be gradual, I suspect something else is going on, and probably >> a lot cheaper to fix than a ring job! >> >> (By the way, did you guys know STP used to be a Studebaker product? <G>) >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Lon wrote: >> >>> James proclaimed: >>> >>>> Carl , maybe I will try to switch to 10W-30 and see if that makes a >>>> difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If your engine has gone from burning no oil to suddenly increased oil >>> consumption, something is wrong. It may not be seriously wrong or it >>> might be something that if you don't fix it will cost money. First >>> look for leaks and then if you don't find any, try >>> compression/leakdown test. >>> A good mechanic will often tell you whether it is something that will >>> just cost you a bit of oil consumption or a lot of money. >>> >>> After you find out what it is, you might want to try a half can of >>> STP in the oil. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
From the STP website:
"In October 1954, three businessmen with a mere $3,000 in start-up capital introduced the first STP® product in St. Joseph, Mo. Scientifically Treated Petroleum, better know as STP, began with one product � STP® Oil Treatment � that helped automobile motor oil resist thinning at high temperatures and pressures. The group, composed of Charles Dwight (Doc) Liggett, Jim Hill and Robert DeHart, began packaging STP® in a backyard garage. They packaged it at night and sold it from the trunks of their cars during their business and pleasure trips. The company�s initial growth and profitability � attributed to strong word-of-mouth and the brand�s link to auto racing � enabled STP to introduce its first Gas Treatment in 1960. In 1961, STP was purchased by the Studebaker Packard Corporation. Andy Granatelli was appointed CEO in 1963 and began to increase the brand�s marketing efforts through auto and boat racing. Eventually, STP sponsored its own Indy Car racing team, featuring Mario Andretti, the winner of the 1969 Indianapolis 500." However if I remember right the three businessmen actually acquired the formula from the German Army and STP started life as a product that helped the German war effort in WWII. Jeff DeWitt Lon wrote: > > Technically STP was a Granatelli product... the guys that scared the > bejasus out of the Indy 500 folks until a bearing gave loose. > > The problem with all the recommendations to go to 10W anything is that > they presume the oil temperature would be staying low orders of > magnitude longer than it really does in any engine in temperate climes. > > > > Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed: > >> STP is great stuff in a really tired engine, but that doesn't really >> sound like James's problem. >> >> Before adding something like STP I'd try the 10W-30 change and if that >> didn't do it 10W-40. >> >> But a sudden change would be worrisome, with normal wear the increase >> should be gradual, I suspect something else is going on, and probably >> a lot cheaper to fix than a ring job! >> >> (By the way, did you guys know STP used to be a Studebaker product? <G>) >> >> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Lon wrote: >> >>> James proclaimed: >>> >>>> Carl , maybe I will try to switch to 10W-30 and see if that makes a >>>> difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If your engine has gone from burning no oil to suddenly increased oil >>> consumption, something is wrong. It may not be seriously wrong or it >>> might be something that if you don't fix it will cost money. First >>> look for leaks and then if you don't find any, try >>> compression/leakdown test. >>> A good mechanic will often tell you whether it is something that will >>> just cost you a bit of oil consumption or a lot of money. >>> >>> After you find out what it is, you might want to try a half can of >>> STP in the oil. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Aside from all the other comments, if it is suddenly using more oil than
normal, then ignoring it will just accelerate engine deterioration over time. The oil contamination creates excess carbon deposits that increase wear throughout the engine -- especially the piston rings. It could be that the valve seals are going bad. I would think that valve seals may be fairly easy on that engine -- once the cam covers are removed. Just getting them off may be a challenge in itself since they're sizeable magnesium castings and there are things in the way. One possibility would be to determine if there's any blue smoke in certain situations. It may be faint so you may have to ride in a second vehicle trailing your Jeep on a sunny day and watch carefully for puffs of blue smoke. For example, if there's a puff of blue smoke upon initial acceleration after idling for a minute, I think that would suggest a valve seal issue, since the higher manifold vacuum draws more oil down the valve guides into the cylinder during deceleration and idling. It's not burned much during that idling/deceleration phase, but then when power is applied the oil is suddenly burned, creating the puff of blue smoke. If you see any blue smoke but it's fairly constant, rather than a puff here and there, that would probably suggest worn rings. This is certainly a possibility since, on the 4.7L, the distance from the top ring groove to the top of the piston is only 1/8 of an inch. That 'dead space' between the piston and cylinder wall above the top ring tends to trap unburned fuel, so reducing that space improves emissions. But then the rings are more susceptible to wear and heat since they're pushed closer to the combustion chamber. The wrist pins also tend to be higher up on the piston nowadays to allow use of longer connecting rods for improved torque, and this means thinner rings which are more crowded together at the top of the piston. The oil consumption may not be great enough to create noiceable blue smoke, though. And, of course, there are other possibilities. A head gasket problem could allow oil to seep into a coolant passage, so make sure no oil is getting into the coolant... "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message news:xvmdnT1CqaGJT2TZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > > This Jeep has 125,000 miles. Runs good, no problem. I have used Mobil > 1 > synthetic oil since it was new. > > The engine used almost no oil until I got to about 110,000 miles. After > that, I started noticing that it was using some oil, which I thought was > normal. After now paying closer attention, I see that it now uses one > quart > every 3,000 miles. > > Is this fairly normal oil consumption ? > > Thanks for any comments. > > --James-- > > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Aside from all the other comments, if it is suddenly using more oil than
normal, then ignoring it will just accelerate engine deterioration over time. The oil contamination creates excess carbon deposits that increase wear throughout the engine -- especially the piston rings. It could be that the valve seals are going bad. I would think that valve seals may be fairly easy on that engine -- once the cam covers are removed. Just getting them off may be a challenge in itself since they're sizeable magnesium castings and there are things in the way. One possibility would be to determine if there's any blue smoke in certain situations. It may be faint so you may have to ride in a second vehicle trailing your Jeep on a sunny day and watch carefully for puffs of blue smoke. For example, if there's a puff of blue smoke upon initial acceleration after idling for a minute, I think that would suggest a valve seal issue, since the higher manifold vacuum draws more oil down the valve guides into the cylinder during deceleration and idling. It's not burned much during that idling/deceleration phase, but then when power is applied the oil is suddenly burned, creating the puff of blue smoke. If you see any blue smoke but it's fairly constant, rather than a puff here and there, that would probably suggest worn rings. This is certainly a possibility since, on the 4.7L, the distance from the top ring groove to the top of the piston is only 1/8 of an inch. That 'dead space' between the piston and cylinder wall above the top ring tends to trap unburned fuel, so reducing that space improves emissions. But then the rings are more susceptible to wear and heat since they're pushed closer to the combustion chamber. The wrist pins also tend to be higher up on the piston nowadays to allow use of longer connecting rods for improved torque, and this means thinner rings which are more crowded together at the top of the piston. The oil consumption may not be great enough to create noiceable blue smoke, though. And, of course, there are other possibilities. A head gasket problem could allow oil to seep into a coolant passage, so make sure no oil is getting into the coolant... "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message news:xvmdnT1CqaGJT2TZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > > This Jeep has 125,000 miles. Runs good, no problem. I have used Mobil > 1 > synthetic oil since it was new. > > The engine used almost no oil until I got to about 110,000 miles. After > that, I started noticing that it was using some oil, which I thought was > normal. After now paying closer attention, I see that it now uses one > quart > every 3,000 miles. > > Is this fairly normal oil consumption ? > > Thanks for any comments. > > --James-- > > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Aside from all the other comments, if it is suddenly using more oil than
normal, then ignoring it will just accelerate engine deterioration over time. The oil contamination creates excess carbon deposits that increase wear throughout the engine -- especially the piston rings. It could be that the valve seals are going bad. I would think that valve seals may be fairly easy on that engine -- once the cam covers are removed. Just getting them off may be a challenge in itself since they're sizeable magnesium castings and there are things in the way. One possibility would be to determine if there's any blue smoke in certain situations. It may be faint so you may have to ride in a second vehicle trailing your Jeep on a sunny day and watch carefully for puffs of blue smoke. For example, if there's a puff of blue smoke upon initial acceleration after idling for a minute, I think that would suggest a valve seal issue, since the higher manifold vacuum draws more oil down the valve guides into the cylinder during deceleration and idling. It's not burned much during that idling/deceleration phase, but then when power is applied the oil is suddenly burned, creating the puff of blue smoke. If you see any blue smoke but it's fairly constant, rather than a puff here and there, that would probably suggest worn rings. This is certainly a possibility since, on the 4.7L, the distance from the top ring groove to the top of the piston is only 1/8 of an inch. That 'dead space' between the piston and cylinder wall above the top ring tends to trap unburned fuel, so reducing that space improves emissions. But then the rings are more susceptible to wear and heat since they're pushed closer to the combustion chamber. The wrist pins also tend to be higher up on the piston nowadays to allow use of longer connecting rods for improved torque, and this means thinner rings which are more crowded together at the top of the piston. The oil consumption may not be great enough to create noiceable blue smoke, though. And, of course, there are other possibilities. A head gasket problem could allow oil to seep into a coolant passage, so make sure no oil is getting into the coolant... "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message news:xvmdnT1CqaGJT2TZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > > This Jeep has 125,000 miles. Runs good, no problem. I have used Mobil > 1 > synthetic oil since it was new. > > The engine used almost no oil until I got to about 110,000 miles. After > that, I started noticing that it was using some oil, which I thought was > normal. After now paying closer attention, I see that it now uses one > quart > every 3,000 miles. > > Is this fairly normal oil consumption ? > > Thanks for any comments. > > --James-- > > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Most manufacturers say that 1 quart per 1000 miles can be considered
'normal' so 1 quart in 3000 miles certainly fits in that range. That being said I would be surprised at that amount of wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals damaged under those conditions. Another possibility could be stuck piston rings, if you were to add one ounce of SeaFoam to each cylinder through the sparkplug hole and let it soak for a hour or so before reinstalling the spark plug would probably remove any deposits causing the rings to stick. Be advised the engine will product a lot of smoke for a few minutes after a SeaFoam treatment. Sometimes this will break carbon free and cause a misfire, if this happens you may need to clean the plugs (swirl in a bit of SeaFoam) before replacement If you think the seals may be failing you can switch to one of the 'high mileage' (over 75k) motor oils. They claim to help rejuvenate the seal suppleness. I think I would stay with 5w-30 oil, especially in the wintertime weather. "Marcus" <marcuscl@b.n> wrote in message news:ukVXg.44634$8s6.15405@bignews4.bellsouth.net. .. > Aside from all the other comments, if it is suddenly using more oil than > normal, then ignoring it will just accelerate engine deterioration over > time. The oil contamination creates excess carbon deposits that increase > wear throughout the engine -- especially the piston rings. > > It could be that the valve seals are going bad. I would think that valve > seals may be fairly easy on that engine -- once the cam covers are > removed. Just getting them off may be a challenge in itself since they're > sizeable magnesium castings and there are things in the way. > > One possibility would be to determine if there's any blue smoke in certain > situations. It may be faint so you may have to ride in a second vehicle > trailing your Jeep on a sunny day and watch carefully for puffs of blue > smoke. > > For example, if there's a puff of blue smoke upon initial acceleration > after idling for a minute, I think that would suggest a valve seal issue, > since the higher manifold vacuum draws more oil down the valve guides into > the cylinder during deceleration and idling. It's not burned much during > that idling/deceleration phase, but then when power is applied the oil is > suddenly burned, creating the puff of blue smoke. > > If you see any blue smoke but it's fairly constant, rather than a puff > here and there, that would probably suggest worn rings. This is certainly > a possibility since, on the 4.7L, the distance from the top ring groove to > the top of the piston is only 1/8 of an inch. That 'dead space' between > the piston and cylinder wall above the top ring tends to trap unburned > fuel, so reducing that space improves emissions. But then the rings are > more susceptible to wear and heat since they're pushed closer to the > combustion chamber. The wrist pins also tend to be higher up on the > piston nowadays to allow use of longer connecting rods for improved > torque, and this means thinner rings which are more crowded together at > the top of the piston. > > The oil consumption may not be great enough to create noiceable blue > smoke, though. And, of course, there are other possibilities. A head > gasket problem could allow oil to seep into a coolant passage, so make > sure no oil is getting into the coolant... > > "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message > news:xvmdnT1CqaGJT2TZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> >> >> This Jeep has 125,000 miles. Runs good, no problem. I have used >> Mobil 1 >> synthetic oil since it was new. >> >> The engine used almost no oil until I got to about 110,000 miles. After >> that, I started noticing that it was using some oil, which I thought was >> normal. After now paying closer attention, I see that it now uses one >> quart >> every 3,000 miles. >> >> Is this fairly normal oil consumption ? >> >> Thanks for any comments. >> >> --James-- >> >> > > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Most manufacturers say that 1 quart per 1000 miles can be considered
'normal' so 1 quart in 3000 miles certainly fits in that range. That being said I would be surprised at that amount of wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals damaged under those conditions. Another possibility could be stuck piston rings, if you were to add one ounce of SeaFoam to each cylinder through the sparkplug hole and let it soak for a hour or so before reinstalling the spark plug would probably remove any deposits causing the rings to stick. Be advised the engine will product a lot of smoke for a few minutes after a SeaFoam treatment. Sometimes this will break carbon free and cause a misfire, if this happens you may need to clean the plugs (swirl in a bit of SeaFoam) before replacement If you think the seals may be failing you can switch to one of the 'high mileage' (over 75k) motor oils. They claim to help rejuvenate the seal suppleness. I think I would stay with 5w-30 oil, especially in the wintertime weather. "Marcus" <marcuscl@b.n> wrote in message news:ukVXg.44634$8s6.15405@bignews4.bellsouth.net. .. > Aside from all the other comments, if it is suddenly using more oil than > normal, then ignoring it will just accelerate engine deterioration over > time. The oil contamination creates excess carbon deposits that increase > wear throughout the engine -- especially the piston rings. > > It could be that the valve seals are going bad. I would think that valve > seals may be fairly easy on that engine -- once the cam covers are > removed. Just getting them off may be a challenge in itself since they're > sizeable magnesium castings and there are things in the way. > > One possibility would be to determine if there's any blue smoke in certain > situations. It may be faint so you may have to ride in a second vehicle > trailing your Jeep on a sunny day and watch carefully for puffs of blue > smoke. > > For example, if there's a puff of blue smoke upon initial acceleration > after idling for a minute, I think that would suggest a valve seal issue, > since the higher manifold vacuum draws more oil down the valve guides into > the cylinder during deceleration and idling. It's not burned much during > that idling/deceleration phase, but then when power is applied the oil is > suddenly burned, creating the puff of blue smoke. > > If you see any blue smoke but it's fairly constant, rather than a puff > here and there, that would probably suggest worn rings. This is certainly > a possibility since, on the 4.7L, the distance from the top ring groove to > the top of the piston is only 1/8 of an inch. That 'dead space' between > the piston and cylinder wall above the top ring tends to trap unburned > fuel, so reducing that space improves emissions. But then the rings are > more susceptible to wear and heat since they're pushed closer to the > combustion chamber. The wrist pins also tend to be higher up on the > piston nowadays to allow use of longer connecting rods for improved > torque, and this means thinner rings which are more crowded together at > the top of the piston. > > The oil consumption may not be great enough to create noiceable blue > smoke, though. And, of course, there are other possibilities. A head > gasket problem could allow oil to seep into a coolant passage, so make > sure no oil is getting into the coolant... > > "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message > news:xvmdnT1CqaGJT2TZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> >> >> This Jeep has 125,000 miles. Runs good, no problem. I have used >> Mobil 1 >> synthetic oil since it was new. >> >> The engine used almost no oil until I got to about 110,000 miles. After >> that, I started noticing that it was using some oil, which I thought was >> normal. After now paying closer attention, I see that it now uses one >> quart >> every 3,000 miles. >> >> Is this fairly normal oil consumption ? >> >> Thanks for any comments. >> >> --James-- >> >> > > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Most manufacturers say that 1 quart per 1000 miles can be considered
'normal' so 1 quart in 3000 miles certainly fits in that range. That being said I would be surprised at that amount of wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals damaged under those conditions. Another possibility could be stuck piston rings, if you were to add one ounce of SeaFoam to each cylinder through the sparkplug hole and let it soak for a hour or so before reinstalling the spark plug would probably remove any deposits causing the rings to stick. Be advised the engine will product a lot of smoke for a few minutes after a SeaFoam treatment. Sometimes this will break carbon free and cause a misfire, if this happens you may need to clean the plugs (swirl in a bit of SeaFoam) before replacement If you think the seals may be failing you can switch to one of the 'high mileage' (over 75k) motor oils. They claim to help rejuvenate the seal suppleness. I think I would stay with 5w-30 oil, especially in the wintertime weather. "Marcus" <marcuscl@b.n> wrote in message news:ukVXg.44634$8s6.15405@bignews4.bellsouth.net. .. > Aside from all the other comments, if it is suddenly using more oil than > normal, then ignoring it will just accelerate engine deterioration over > time. The oil contamination creates excess carbon deposits that increase > wear throughout the engine -- especially the piston rings. > > It could be that the valve seals are going bad. I would think that valve > seals may be fairly easy on that engine -- once the cam covers are > removed. Just getting them off may be a challenge in itself since they're > sizeable magnesium castings and there are things in the way. > > One possibility would be to determine if there's any blue smoke in certain > situations. It may be faint so you may have to ride in a second vehicle > trailing your Jeep on a sunny day and watch carefully for puffs of blue > smoke. > > For example, if there's a puff of blue smoke upon initial acceleration > after idling for a minute, I think that would suggest a valve seal issue, > since the higher manifold vacuum draws more oil down the valve guides into > the cylinder during deceleration and idling. It's not burned much during > that idling/deceleration phase, but then when power is applied the oil is > suddenly burned, creating the puff of blue smoke. > > If you see any blue smoke but it's fairly constant, rather than a puff > here and there, that would probably suggest worn rings. This is certainly > a possibility since, on the 4.7L, the distance from the top ring groove to > the top of the piston is only 1/8 of an inch. That 'dead space' between > the piston and cylinder wall above the top ring tends to trap unburned > fuel, so reducing that space improves emissions. But then the rings are > more susceptible to wear and heat since they're pushed closer to the > combustion chamber. The wrist pins also tend to be higher up on the > piston nowadays to allow use of longer connecting rods for improved > torque, and this means thinner rings which are more crowded together at > the top of the piston. > > The oil consumption may not be great enough to create noiceable blue > smoke, though. And, of course, there are other possibilities. A head > gasket problem could allow oil to seep into a coolant passage, so make > sure no oil is getting into the coolant... > > "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message > news:xvmdnT1CqaGJT2TZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> >> >> This Jeep has 125,000 miles. Runs good, no problem. I have used >> Mobil 1 >> synthetic oil since it was new. >> >> The engine used almost no oil until I got to about 110,000 miles. After >> that, I started noticing that it was using some oil, which I thought was >> normal. After now paying closer attention, I see that it now uses one >> quart >> every 3,000 miles. >> >> Is this fairly normal oil consumption ? >> >> Thanks for any comments. >> >> --James-- >> >> > > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
billy ray wrote:
> Most manufacturers say that 1 quart per 1000 miles can be considered > 'normal' so 1 quart in 3000 miles certainly fits in that range. Normal?!! 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road and 4000 miles to engine seizure. I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and even the sides. >> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message >> news:xvmdnT1CqaGJT2TZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> >>> >>> This Jeep has 125,000 miles. Runs good, no problem. I have used >>> Mobil 1 >>> synthetic oil since it was new. >>> >>> The engine used almost no oil until I got to about 110,000 miles. After that, I started noticing that it was using some oil, >>> which I >>> thought was normal. After now paying closer attention, I see that >>> it now uses one quart >>> every 3,000 miles. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
billy ray wrote:
> Most manufacturers say that 1 quart per 1000 miles can be considered > 'normal' so 1 quart in 3000 miles certainly fits in that range. Normal?!! 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road and 4000 miles to engine seizure. I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and even the sides. >> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message >> news:xvmdnT1CqaGJT2TZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> >>> >>> This Jeep has 125,000 miles. Runs good, no problem. I have used >>> Mobil 1 >>> synthetic oil since it was new. >>> >>> The engine used almost no oil until I got to about 110,000 miles. After that, I started noticing that it was using some oil, >>> which I >>> thought was normal. After now paying closer attention, I see that >>> it now uses one quart >>> every 3,000 miles. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
billy ray wrote:
> Most manufacturers say that 1 quart per 1000 miles can be considered > 'normal' so 1 quart in 3000 miles certainly fits in that range. Normal?!! 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road and 4000 miles to engine seizure. I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and even the sides. >> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message >> news:xvmdnT1CqaGJT2TZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>> >>> >>> This Jeep has 125,000 miles. Runs good, no problem. I have used >>> Mobil 1 >>> synthetic oil since it was new. >>> >>> The engine used almost no oil until I got to about 110,000 miles. After that, I started noticing that it was using some oil, >>> which I >>> thought was normal. After now paying closer attention, I see that >>> it now uses one quart >>> every 3,000 miles. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500
miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ DougW wrote: > > Normal?!! > 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road > and 4000 miles to engine seizure. > > I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. > > That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as > a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. > > Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil > as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. > > Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and > even the sides. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500
miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ DougW wrote: > > Normal?!! > 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road > and 4000 miles to engine seizure. > > I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. > > That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as > a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. > > Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil > as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. > > Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and > even the sides. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500
miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ DougW wrote: > > Normal?!! > 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road > and 4000 miles to engine seizure. > > I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. > > That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as > a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. > > Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil > as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. > > Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and > even the sides. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill
you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, the 60s.. Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire post rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the two most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his airbox was full oil. As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 miles for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > DougW wrote: >> >> Normal?!! >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and >> even the sides. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill
you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, the 60s.. Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire post rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the two most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his airbox was full oil. As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 miles for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > DougW wrote: >> >> Normal?!! >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and >> even the sides. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill
you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, the 60s.. Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire post rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the two most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his airbox was full oil. As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 miles for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > DougW wrote: >> >> Normal?!! >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and >> even the sides. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three
hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little visible smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your engine as in the cylinders. Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount of wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals damaged under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims. Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to breakdown and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals are maintained. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:9e846$4530e62e$422afc51$8490@FUSE.NET... > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, > the 60s.. > > Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I > accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire post > rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the two > most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. > > Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his > airbox was full oil. > > As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 miles > for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs > (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at > 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. > > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. > > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... > > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 > > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever > > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > DougW wrote: > >> > >> Normal?!! > >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road > >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. > >> > >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. > >> > >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as > >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. > >> > >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil > >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. > >> > >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and > >> even the sides. > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three
hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little visible smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your engine as in the cylinders. Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount of wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals damaged under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims. Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to breakdown and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals are maintained. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:9e846$4530e62e$422afc51$8490@FUSE.NET... > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, > the 60s.. > > Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I > accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire post > rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the two > most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. > > Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his > airbox was full oil. > > As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 miles > for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs > (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at > 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. > > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. > > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... > > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 > > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever > > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > DougW wrote: > >> > >> Normal?!! > >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road > >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. > >> > >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. > >> > >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as > >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. > >> > >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil > >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. > >> > >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and > >> even the sides. > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three
hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little visible smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your engine as in the cylinders. Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount of wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals damaged under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims. Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to breakdown and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals are maintained. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:9e846$4530e62e$422afc51$8490@FUSE.NET... > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, > the 60s.. > > Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I > accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire post > rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the two > most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. > > Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his > airbox was full oil. > > As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 miles > for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs > (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at > 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. > > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. > > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... > > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 > > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever > > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. > > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > DougW wrote: > >> > >> Normal?!! > >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road > >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. > >> > >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. > >> > >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as > >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. > >> > >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil > >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. > >> > >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and > >> even the sides. > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Bill,
No, I don't know this. I've never owned a car that use a quart in a thousand miles. starting with a '52 ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg '58 Ford http://www.----------.com/temp/lancers.jpg '36 ford: http://www.----------.com/woody.jpg '53 Olds: http://www.----------.com/53olds.jpg '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57Ford.jpg '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57bird.jpg '58 Ford: http://www.----------.com/baumholder.jpg '59 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/nancy.jpg '68 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/68jeep.jpg '72 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/72ford4x4.jpg '78 Bronco http://www.----------.com/429ford.jpg '78 Mustang http://www.----------.com/temp/78stangLarry.jpg after my Son crunched '46 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg '83 Mustang: http://www.----------.com/temp/84stangJamie.jpg '84 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/84TBird.jpg '89 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/89TBird.jpg None of these car used oil between changes. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, > the 60s.. > > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Bill,
No, I don't know this. I've never owned a car that use a quart in a thousand miles. starting with a '52 ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg '58 Ford http://www.----------.com/temp/lancers.jpg '36 ford: http://www.----------.com/woody.jpg '53 Olds: http://www.----------.com/53olds.jpg '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57Ford.jpg '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57bird.jpg '58 Ford: http://www.----------.com/baumholder.jpg '59 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/nancy.jpg '68 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/68jeep.jpg '72 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/72ford4x4.jpg '78 Bronco http://www.----------.com/429ford.jpg '78 Mustang http://www.----------.com/temp/78stangLarry.jpg after my Son crunched '46 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg '83 Mustang: http://www.----------.com/temp/84stangJamie.jpg '84 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/84TBird.jpg '89 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/89TBird.jpg None of these car used oil between changes. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, > the 60s.. > > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Bill,
No, I don't know this. I've never owned a car that use a quart in a thousand miles. starting with a '52 ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg '58 Ford http://www.----------.com/temp/lancers.jpg '36 ford: http://www.----------.com/woody.jpg '53 Olds: http://www.----------.com/53olds.jpg '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57Ford.jpg '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57bird.jpg '58 Ford: http://www.----------.com/baumholder.jpg '59 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/nancy.jpg '68 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/68jeep.jpg '72 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/72ford4x4.jpg '78 Bronco http://www.----------.com/429ford.jpg '78 Mustang http://www.----------.com/temp/78stangLarry.jpg after my Son crunched '46 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg '83 Mustang: http://www.----------.com/temp/84stangJamie.jpg '84 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/84TBird.jpg '89 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/89TBird.jpg None of these car used oil between changes. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- billy ray wrote: > > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, > the 60s.. > > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Bill,
You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you? You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil, but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^) Earle "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45311500.BD61B2EA@cox.net... > Bill, > No, I don't know this. I've never owned a car that use a quart in a > thousand miles. starting with a > '52 ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg > '58 Ford http://www.----------.com/temp/lancers.jpg > '36 ford: http://www.----------.com/woody.jpg > '53 Olds: http://www.----------.com/53olds.jpg > '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57Ford.jpg > '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57bird.jpg > '58 Ford: http://www.----------.com/baumholder.jpg > '59 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/nancy.jpg > '68 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/68jeep.jpg > '72 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/72ford4x4.jpg > '78 Bronco http://www.----------.com/429ford.jpg > '78 Mustang http://www.----------.com/temp/78stangLarry.jpg after my Son > crunched > '46 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg > '83 Mustang: http://www.----------.com/temp/84stangJamie.jpg > '84 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/84TBird.jpg > '89 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/89TBird.jpg > None of these car used oil between changes. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > billy ray wrote: > > > > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill > > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, > > the 60s.. > > > > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 > > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Bill,
You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you? You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil, but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^) Earle "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45311500.BD61B2EA@cox.net... > Bill, > No, I don't know this. I've never owned a car that use a quart in a > thousand miles. starting with a > '52 ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg > '58 Ford http://www.----------.com/temp/lancers.jpg > '36 ford: http://www.----------.com/woody.jpg > '53 Olds: http://www.----------.com/53olds.jpg > '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57Ford.jpg > '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57bird.jpg > '58 Ford: http://www.----------.com/baumholder.jpg > '59 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/nancy.jpg > '68 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/68jeep.jpg > '72 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/72ford4x4.jpg > '78 Bronco http://www.----------.com/429ford.jpg > '78 Mustang http://www.----------.com/temp/78stangLarry.jpg after my Son > crunched > '46 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg > '83 Mustang: http://www.----------.com/temp/84stangJamie.jpg > '84 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/84TBird.jpg > '89 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/89TBird.jpg > None of these car used oil between changes. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > billy ray wrote: > > > > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill > > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, > > the 60s.. > > > > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 > > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Bill,
You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you? You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil, but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^) Earle "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45311500.BD61B2EA@cox.net... > Bill, > No, I don't know this. I've never owned a car that use a quart in a > thousand miles. starting with a > '52 ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/52ford.jpg > '58 Ford http://www.----------.com/temp/lancers.jpg > '36 ford: http://www.----------.com/woody.jpg > '53 Olds: http://www.----------.com/53olds.jpg > '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57Ford.jpg > '57 Fords: http://www.----------.com/57bird.jpg > '58 Ford: http://www.----------.com/baumholder.jpg > '59 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/nancy.jpg > '68 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/68jeep.jpg > '72 Ford: http://www.----------.com/temp/72ford4x4.jpg > '78 Bronco http://www.----------.com/429ford.jpg > '78 Mustang http://www.----------.com/temp/78stangLarry.jpg after my Son > crunched > '46 Jeep: http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg > '83 Mustang: http://www.----------.com/temp/84stangJamie.jpg > '84 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/84TBird.jpg > '89 T-Bird http://www.----------.com/temp/89TBird.jpg > None of these car used oil between changes. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > billy ray wrote: > > > > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill > > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least, > > the 60s.. > > > > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500 > > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Earle,
I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. "Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4530fb53$0$19639$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . >I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three > hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little > visible > smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get > all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a > flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your > engine as in the cylinders. > > Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount > of > wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals > damaged > under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims. > Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to > breakdown > and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are > abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any > better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not > allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals > are maintained. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e846$4530e62e$422afc51$8490@FUSE.NET... >> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and > Bill >> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at >> least, >> the 60s.. >> >> Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I >> accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire > post >> rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the >> two >> most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. >> >> Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his >> airbox was full oil. >> >> As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 > miles >> for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs >> (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at >> 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. >> >> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for > $500 >> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove >> it. >> >> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... >> > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 >> > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever >> > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> > >> > DougW wrote: >> >> >> >> Normal?!! >> >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road >> >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. >> >> >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. >> >> >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as >> >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. >> >> >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil >> >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. >> >> >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and >> >> even the sides. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Earle,
I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. "Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4530fb53$0$19639$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . >I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three > hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little > visible > smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get > all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a > flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your > engine as in the cylinders. > > Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount > of > wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals > damaged > under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims. > Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to > breakdown > and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are > abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any > better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not > allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals > are maintained. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e846$4530e62e$422afc51$8490@FUSE.NET... >> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and > Bill >> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at >> least, >> the 60s.. >> >> Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I >> accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire > post >> rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the >> two >> most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. >> >> Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his >> airbox was full oil. >> >> As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 > miles >> for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs >> (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at >> 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. >> >> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for > $500 >> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove >> it. >> >> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... >> > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 >> > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever >> > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> > >> > DougW wrote: >> >> >> >> Normal?!! >> >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road >> >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. >> >> >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. >> >> >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as >> >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. >> >> >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil >> >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. >> >> >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and >> >> even the sides. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Earle,
I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. "Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4530fb53$0$19639$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . >I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three > hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little > visible > smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get > all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a > flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your > engine as in the cylinders. > > Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount > of > wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals > damaged > under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims. > Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to > breakdown > and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are > abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any > better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not > allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals > are maintained. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e846$4530e62e$422afc51$8490@FUSE.NET... >> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and > Bill >> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at >> least, >> the 60s.. >> >> Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I >> accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire > post >> rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the >> two >> most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. >> >> Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his >> airbox was full oil. >> >> As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 > miles >> for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs >> (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at >> 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. >> >> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for > $500 >> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove >> it. >> >> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... >> > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 >> > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever >> > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> > >> > DougW wrote: >> >> >> >> Normal?!! >> >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road >> >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. >> >> >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. >> >> >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as >> >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. >> >> >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil >> >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. >> >> >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and >> >> even the sides. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Or any Republican office holder, "We're not safe yet, but we're safer than
we were when we started [bombing the ---- out of stone age Arabs]". "There's an old Texas saying, 'Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...uh...duh...won't get fooled again." Or dad, "Read my lips, no new taxes". Crank bearings and other internal engine parts ride on a film of liquid oil, by hydrostatic pressure. Wear comes from failure of the oil to be liquid, unsufficient flow and contaminants in the liquid. Synthetic sort of addresses the first problem, but not the second two. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:db961$45314c6f$422afc51$30130@FUSE.NET... > Earle, > > I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake > you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. > > I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the > dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter > are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. > > > > "Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4530fb53$0$19639$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > >I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three > > hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little > > visible > > smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get > > all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a > > flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your > > engine as in the cylinders. > > > > Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount > > of > > wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals > > damaged > > under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims. > > Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to > > breakdown > > and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are > > abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any > > better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not > > allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals > > are maintained. > > > > Earle > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:9e846$4530e62e$422afc51$8490@FUSE.NET... > >> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and > > Bill > >> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at > >> least, > >> the 60s.. > >> > >> Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I > >> accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire > > post > >> rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the > >> two > >> most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. > >> > >> Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his > >> airbox was full oil. > >> > >> As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 > > miles > >> for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs > >> (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at > >> 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. > >> > >> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for > > $500 > >> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove > >> it. > >> > >> > >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > >> news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... > >> > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 > >> > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever > >> > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. > >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > >> > > >> > DougW wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Normal?!! > >> >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road > >> >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. > >> >> > >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. > >> >> > >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as > >> >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. > >> >> > >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil > >> >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. > >> >> > >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and > >> >> even the sides. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Or any Republican office holder, "We're not safe yet, but we're safer than
we were when we started [bombing the ---- out of stone age Arabs]". "There's an old Texas saying, 'Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...uh...duh...won't get fooled again." Or dad, "Read my lips, no new taxes". Crank bearings and other internal engine parts ride on a film of liquid oil, by hydrostatic pressure. Wear comes from failure of the oil to be liquid, unsufficient flow and contaminants in the liquid. Synthetic sort of addresses the first problem, but not the second two. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:db961$45314c6f$422afc51$30130@FUSE.NET... > Earle, > > I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake > you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. > > I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the > dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter > are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. > > > > "Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4530fb53$0$19639$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > >I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three > > hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little > > visible > > smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get > > all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a > > flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your > > engine as in the cylinders. > > > > Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount > > of > > wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals > > damaged > > under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims. > > Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to > > breakdown > > and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are > > abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any > > better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not > > allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals > > are maintained. > > > > Earle > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:9e846$4530e62e$422afc51$8490@FUSE.NET... > >> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and > > Bill > >> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at > >> least, > >> the 60s.. > >> > >> Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I > >> accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire > > post > >> rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the > >> two > >> most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. > >> > >> Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his > >> airbox was full oil. > >> > >> As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 > > miles > >> for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs > >> (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at > >> 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. > >> > >> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for > > $500 > >> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove > >> it. > >> > >> > >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > >> news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... > >> > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 > >> > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever > >> > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. > >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > >> > > >> > DougW wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Normal?!! > >> >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road > >> >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. > >> >> > >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. > >> >> > >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as > >> >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. > >> >> > >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil > >> >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. > >> >> > >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and > >> >> even the sides. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Or any Republican office holder, "We're not safe yet, but we're safer than
we were when we started [bombing the ---- out of stone age Arabs]". "There's an old Texas saying, 'Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...uh...duh...won't get fooled again." Or dad, "Read my lips, no new taxes". Crank bearings and other internal engine parts ride on a film of liquid oil, by hydrostatic pressure. Wear comes from failure of the oil to be liquid, unsufficient flow and contaminants in the liquid. Synthetic sort of addresses the first problem, but not the second two. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:db961$45314c6f$422afc51$30130@FUSE.NET... > Earle, > > I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake > you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. > > I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the > dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter > are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. > > > > "Earle Horton" <elangloburgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4530fb53$0$19639$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > >I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three > > hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little > > visible > > smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get > > all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a > > flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your > > engine as in the cylinders. > > > > Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount > > of > > wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals > > damaged > > under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims. > > Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to > > breakdown > > and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are > > abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any > > better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not > > allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals > > are maintained. > > > > Earle > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:9e846$4530e62e$422afc51$8490@FUSE.NET... > >> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and > > Bill > >> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at > >> least, > >> the 60s.. > >> > >> Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I > >> accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire > > post > >> rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the > >> two > >> most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each. > >> > >> Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his > >> airbox was full oil. > >> > >> As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 > > miles > >> for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs > >> (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at > >> 1500 miles and changed it at 3000. > >> > >> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for > > $500 > >> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove > >> it. > >> > >> > >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > >> news:45308781.367A66CB@cox.net... > >> > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500 > >> > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever > >> > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas. > >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > >> > > >> > DougW wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Normal?!! > >> >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road > >> >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure. > >> >> > >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes. > >> >> > >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as > >> >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal. > >> >> > >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil > >> >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot. > >> >> > >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and > >> >> even the sides. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8
Hi Bill,
I would like to remind you that the word synthetic is not used like synthetic rubber where the rubber is made from petroleum, rather than any part of the rubber tree, as synthetic oil is refined from the same petroleum products as you so called "dino" just one more cracker refine step to basestocks. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Earle, > > I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake > you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician. > > I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the > dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter > are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals. |
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