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L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 10-20-2006 09:58 AM

Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
had.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

http://www.seguingazette.com/story.l...111fc9c3ee21ec
CNN shooting to a new low

By Chris Lykins
The Gazette-Enterprise

Published October 20, 2006

The shot rings out from a --------- rifle and before the bullet finds
its mark in the back of a United States serviceman, the screen fades to
black.

This — CNN says — is the “unvarnished truth” of the war in Iraq that the
American people must face.

Like a parent to a child, the network knows what is good for us — even
if we don’t.

They American people must also apparently face this “unvarnished truth”
just a few weeks from the Congressional mid-term elections in what might
be the most blatant political gift to the Democrats since Dan Rather’s
career went down in a blizard of forged Bush military documents.

CNN aired video of sniper attacks on U.S. military personnel provided
helpfully by the “insurgents” — notice we can’t call them terrorists or
murderers.

CNN says it aired the video because it “concluded the tape meets our
criteria for newsworthiness.”

That’s a statement that raises serious questions about how exactly the
network goes about making such a determination — and getting it so
painfully wrong.

Apparently, the decision came after it was the subject of “hours of
intense editorial debate,” which I think the American people would love
to hear — you know, as long as we are getting the “unvarnished truth.”

Can we hear this “intense editorial debate,” or is that a little too
“unvarnished” for the network to handle?

What did this sniper video provide for Americans — beyond a reminder
that CNN’s journalistic ethics always take a backseat to its agenda?

CNN says Americans need to know what is going on in Iraq — as if its
ceaseless defeatist drum beat wasn’t enough?

We know that our men and women in uniform are dying in the streets of
Baghdad.

We know those numbers are real people, with real faces, families, hopes
and dreams that ended in the explosion of an IED or — as the network
reminded us — at the end of a sniper’s bullet.

Unlike some, we don’t view them as flickering numbers on some political
tote board.

We know that flag-draped coffins are returning home and that families
are gathering to say goodbye.

For those families who get treated to the final moments of their loved
ones before their violent end in the network’s pursuit of “truth,” it is
especially cruel.

We already know the “truth” and the network knows that — what CNN wants
to do is pour salt in the wound.

Hiding behind journalistic principles long-since abandoned, the network
has sunk to a new low by essentially becoming the propaganda and public
relations arm of a group of thugs and murderers.

Even those opposed to the war in Iraq — and to act as if that number
isn’t large and growing would be absurd — can recognize this for what it
is.

Part of it is a grab for ratings in an era in which Fox News dominates
on a nightly basis. CNN, the tottering monarch of days gone by, is
making another feeble grasp for a crown that slipped from its grip so
long ago — for many viewers because of manuevers exactly like this one.

I don’t trust CNN anymore — haven’t since I learned that the network
essentially sat on stories about just how bad things were in Iraq when
Saddam Hussein was running it in order to maintain access in the
country.

Back then we didn’t need to know how bad things were going in Iraq, and
CNN said it sat on those stories to protect the lives of people.

Yet, here, just a few years later, CNN says we desparately need to know
how bad things are in Iraq and the network can’t wait to show us the end
of another series of lives.

CNN hasn’t only lost its way — it’s a network that’s lost its soul.

Chris Lykins is the managing editor for the Gazette-Enterprise

Earle Horton 10-20-2006 11:04 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Bill,

I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day. That
is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire gutted
buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for police,
fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the Republicans
and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
least one is.

It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their
own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree that
will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
process of fitting back into American society.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net...
> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
> anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
> if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
> had.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> http://www.seguingazette.com/story.l...111fc9c3ee21ec
> CNN shooting to a new low
>
> By Chris Lykins
> The Gazette-Enterprise
>
> Published October 20, 2006
>
> The shot rings out from a --------- rifle and before the bullet finds
> its mark in the back of a United States serviceman, the screen fades to
> black.
>
> This - CNN says - is the "unvarnished truth" of the war in Iraq that the
> American people must face.
>
> Like a parent to a child, the network knows what is good for us - even
> if we don't.
>
> They American people must also apparently face this "unvarnished truth"
> just a few weeks from the Congressional mid-term elections in what might
> be the most blatant political gift to the Democrats since Dan Rather's
> career went down in a blizard of forged Bush military documents.
>
> CNN aired video of sniper attacks on U.S. military personnel provided
> helpfully by the "insurgents" - notice we can't call them terrorists or
> murderers.
>
> CNN says it aired the video because it "concluded the tape meets our
> criteria for newsworthiness."
>
> That's a statement that raises serious questions about how exactly the
> network goes about making such a determination - and getting it so
> painfully wrong.
>
> Apparently, the decision came after it was the subject of "hours of
> intense editorial debate," which I think the American people would love
> to hear - you know, as long as we are getting the "unvarnished truth."
>
> Can we hear this "intense editorial debate," or is that a little too
> "unvarnished" for the network to handle?
>
> What did this sniper video provide for Americans - beyond a reminder
> that CNN's journalistic ethics always take a backseat to its agenda?
>
> CNN says Americans need to know what is going on in Iraq - as if its
> ceaseless defeatist drum beat wasn't enough?
>
> We know that our men and women in uniform are dying in the streets of
> Baghdad.
>
> We know those numbers are real people, with real faces, families, hopes
> and dreams that ended in the explosion of an IED or - as the network
> reminded us - at the end of a sniper's bullet.
>
> Unlike some, we don't view them as flickering numbers on some political
> tote board.
>
> We know that flag-draped coffins are returning home and that families
> are gathering to say goodbye.
>
> For those families who get treated to the final moments of their loved
> ones before their violent end in the network's pursuit of "truth," it is
> especially cruel.
>
> We already know the "truth" and the network knows that - what CNN wants
> to do is pour salt in the wound.
>
> Hiding behind journalistic principles long-since abandoned, the network
> has sunk to a new low by essentially becoming the propaganda and public
> relations arm of a group of thugs and murderers.
>
> Even those opposed to the war in Iraq - and to act as if that number
> isn't large and growing would be absurd - can recognize this for what it
> is.
>
> Part of it is a grab for ratings in an era in which Fox News dominates
> on a nightly basis. CNN, the tottering monarch of days gone by, is
> making another feeble grasp for a crown that slipped from its grip so
> long ago - for many viewers because of manuevers exactly like this one.
>
> I don't trust CNN anymore - haven't since I learned that the network
> essentially sat on stories about just how bad things were in Iraq when
> Saddam Hussein was running it in order to maintain access in the
> country.
>
> Back then we didn't need to know how bad things were going in Iraq, and
> CNN said it sat on those stories to protect the lives of people.
>
> Yet, here, just a few years later, CNN says we desparately need to know
> how bad things are in Iraq and the network can't wait to show us the end
> of another series of lives.
>
> CNN hasn't only lost its way - it's a network that's lost its soul.
>
> Chris Lykins is the managing editor for the Gazette-Enterprise




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Earle Horton 10-20-2006 11:04 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Bill,

I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day. That
is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire gutted
buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for police,
fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the Republicans
and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
least one is.

It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their
own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree that
will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
process of fitting back into American society.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net...
> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
> anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
> if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
> had.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> http://www.seguingazette.com/story.l...111fc9c3ee21ec
> CNN shooting to a new low
>
> By Chris Lykins
> The Gazette-Enterprise
>
> Published October 20, 2006
>
> The shot rings out from a --------- rifle and before the bullet finds
> its mark in the back of a United States serviceman, the screen fades to
> black.
>
> This - CNN says - is the "unvarnished truth" of the war in Iraq that the
> American people must face.
>
> Like a parent to a child, the network knows what is good for us - even
> if we don't.
>
> They American people must also apparently face this "unvarnished truth"
> just a few weeks from the Congressional mid-term elections in what might
> be the most blatant political gift to the Democrats since Dan Rather's
> career went down in a blizard of forged Bush military documents.
>
> CNN aired video of sniper attacks on U.S. military personnel provided
> helpfully by the "insurgents" - notice we can't call them terrorists or
> murderers.
>
> CNN says it aired the video because it "concluded the tape meets our
> criteria for newsworthiness."
>
> That's a statement that raises serious questions about how exactly the
> network goes about making such a determination - and getting it so
> painfully wrong.
>
> Apparently, the decision came after it was the subject of "hours of
> intense editorial debate," which I think the American people would love
> to hear - you know, as long as we are getting the "unvarnished truth."
>
> Can we hear this "intense editorial debate," or is that a little too
> "unvarnished" for the network to handle?
>
> What did this sniper video provide for Americans - beyond a reminder
> that CNN's journalistic ethics always take a backseat to its agenda?
>
> CNN says Americans need to know what is going on in Iraq - as if its
> ceaseless defeatist drum beat wasn't enough?
>
> We know that our men and women in uniform are dying in the streets of
> Baghdad.
>
> We know those numbers are real people, with real faces, families, hopes
> and dreams that ended in the explosion of an IED or - as the network
> reminded us - at the end of a sniper's bullet.
>
> Unlike some, we don't view them as flickering numbers on some political
> tote board.
>
> We know that flag-draped coffins are returning home and that families
> are gathering to say goodbye.
>
> For those families who get treated to the final moments of their loved
> ones before their violent end in the network's pursuit of "truth," it is
> especially cruel.
>
> We already know the "truth" and the network knows that - what CNN wants
> to do is pour salt in the wound.
>
> Hiding behind journalistic principles long-since abandoned, the network
> has sunk to a new low by essentially becoming the propaganda and public
> relations arm of a group of thugs and murderers.
>
> Even those opposed to the war in Iraq - and to act as if that number
> isn't large and growing would be absurd - can recognize this for what it
> is.
>
> Part of it is a grab for ratings in an era in which Fox News dominates
> on a nightly basis. CNN, the tottering monarch of days gone by, is
> making another feeble grasp for a crown that slipped from its grip so
> long ago - for many viewers because of manuevers exactly like this one.
>
> I don't trust CNN anymore - haven't since I learned that the network
> essentially sat on stories about just how bad things were in Iraq when
> Saddam Hussein was running it in order to maintain access in the
> country.
>
> Back then we didn't need to know how bad things were going in Iraq, and
> CNN said it sat on those stories to protect the lives of people.
>
> Yet, here, just a few years later, CNN says we desparately need to know
> how bad things are in Iraq and the network can't wait to show us the end
> of another series of lives.
>
> CNN hasn't only lost its way - it's a network that's lost its soul.
>
> Chris Lykins is the managing editor for the Gazette-Enterprise




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Earle Horton 10-20-2006 11:04 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Bill,

I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day. That
is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire gutted
buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for police,
fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the Republicans
and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
least one is.

It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their
own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree that
will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
process of fitting back into American society.

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net...
> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
> anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
> if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
> had.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> http://www.seguingazette.com/story.l...111fc9c3ee21ec
> CNN shooting to a new low
>
> By Chris Lykins
> The Gazette-Enterprise
>
> Published October 20, 2006
>
> The shot rings out from a --------- rifle and before the bullet finds
> its mark in the back of a United States serviceman, the screen fades to
> black.
>
> This - CNN says - is the "unvarnished truth" of the war in Iraq that the
> American people must face.
>
> Like a parent to a child, the network knows what is good for us - even
> if we don't.
>
> They American people must also apparently face this "unvarnished truth"
> just a few weeks from the Congressional mid-term elections in what might
> be the most blatant political gift to the Democrats since Dan Rather's
> career went down in a blizard of forged Bush military documents.
>
> CNN aired video of sniper attacks on U.S. military personnel provided
> helpfully by the "insurgents" - notice we can't call them terrorists or
> murderers.
>
> CNN says it aired the video because it "concluded the tape meets our
> criteria for newsworthiness."
>
> That's a statement that raises serious questions about how exactly the
> network goes about making such a determination - and getting it so
> painfully wrong.
>
> Apparently, the decision came after it was the subject of "hours of
> intense editorial debate," which I think the American people would love
> to hear - you know, as long as we are getting the "unvarnished truth."
>
> Can we hear this "intense editorial debate," or is that a little too
> "unvarnished" for the network to handle?
>
> What did this sniper video provide for Americans - beyond a reminder
> that CNN's journalistic ethics always take a backseat to its agenda?
>
> CNN says Americans need to know what is going on in Iraq - as if its
> ceaseless defeatist drum beat wasn't enough?
>
> We know that our men and women in uniform are dying in the streets of
> Baghdad.
>
> We know those numbers are real people, with real faces, families, hopes
> and dreams that ended in the explosion of an IED or - as the network
> reminded us - at the end of a sniper's bullet.
>
> Unlike some, we don't view them as flickering numbers on some political
> tote board.
>
> We know that flag-draped coffins are returning home and that families
> are gathering to say goodbye.
>
> For those families who get treated to the final moments of their loved
> ones before their violent end in the network's pursuit of "truth," it is
> especially cruel.
>
> We already know the "truth" and the network knows that - what CNN wants
> to do is pour salt in the wound.
>
> Hiding behind journalistic principles long-since abandoned, the network
> has sunk to a new low by essentially becoming the propaganda and public
> relations arm of a group of thugs and murderers.
>
> Even those opposed to the war in Iraq - and to act as if that number
> isn't large and growing would be absurd - can recognize this for what it
> is.
>
> Part of it is a grab for ratings in an era in which Fox News dominates
> on a nightly basis. CNN, the tottering monarch of days gone by, is
> making another feeble grasp for a crown that slipped from its grip so
> long ago - for many viewers because of manuevers exactly like this one.
>
> I don't trust CNN anymore - haven't since I learned that the network
> essentially sat on stories about just how bad things were in Iraq when
> Saddam Hussein was running it in order to maintain access in the
> country.
>
> Back then we didn't need to know how bad things were going in Iraq, and
> CNN said it sat on those stories to protect the lives of people.
>
> Yet, here, just a few years later, CNN says we desparately need to know
> how bad things are in Iraq and the network can't wait to show us the end
> of another series of lives.
>
> CNN hasn't only lost its way - it's a network that's lost its soul.
>
> Chris Lykins is the managing editor for the Gazette-Enterprise




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 10-20-2006 11:13 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
won't cut and run.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day. That
> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire gutted
> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for police,
> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the Republicans
> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
> least one is.
>
> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their
> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree that
> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
> process of fitting back into American society.
>
> Earle


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 10-20-2006 11:13 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
won't cut and run.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day. That
> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire gutted
> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for police,
> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the Republicans
> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
> least one is.
>
> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their
> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree that
> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
> process of fitting back into American society.
>
> Earle


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 10-20-2006 11:13 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
won't cut and run.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day. That
> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire gutted
> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for police,
> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the Republicans
> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
> least one is.
>
> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their
> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree that
> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
> process of fitting back into American society.
>
> Earle


billy ray 10-20-2006 02:06 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Bill and Earle....

Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder of
an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent the
murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
> I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
> won't cut and run.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
>> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>> That
>> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>> gutted
>> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>> police,
>> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>> Republicans
>> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
>> least one is.
>>
>> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their
>> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>> that
>> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>> process of fitting back into American society.
>>
>> Earle




billy ray 10-20-2006 02:06 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Bill and Earle....

Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder of
an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent the
murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
> I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
> won't cut and run.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
>> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>> That
>> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>> gutted
>> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>> police,
>> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>> Republicans
>> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
>> least one is.
>>
>> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their
>> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>> that
>> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>> process of fitting back into American society.
>>
>> Earle




billy ray 10-20-2006 02:06 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Bill and Earle....

Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder of
an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent the
murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
> I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
> won't cut and run.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
>> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>> That
>> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>> gutted
>> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>> police,
>> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>> Republicans
>> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
>> least one is.
>>
>> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their
>> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>> that
>> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>> process of fitting back into American society.
>>
>> Earle




Matt Macchiarolo 10-20-2006 05:15 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Proof?

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
> Bill and Earle....
>
> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder
> of an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
> the murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>> I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
>> won't cut and run.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
>>> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>>> That
>>> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>>> gutted
>>> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>>> police,
>>> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>>> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>>> Republicans
>>> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>>> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
>>> least one is.
>>>
>>> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to
>>> their
>>> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>>> that
>>> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>>> process of fitting back into American society.
>>>
>>> Earle

>
>




Matt Macchiarolo 10-20-2006 05:15 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Proof?

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
> Bill and Earle....
>
> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder
> of an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
> the murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>> I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
>> won't cut and run.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
>>> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>>> That
>>> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>>> gutted
>>> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>>> police,
>>> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>>> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>>> Republicans
>>> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>>> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
>>> least one is.
>>>
>>> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to
>>> their
>>> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>>> that
>>> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>>> process of fitting back into American society.
>>>
>>> Earle

>
>




Matt Macchiarolo 10-20-2006 05:15 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Proof?

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
> Bill and Earle....
>
> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder
> of an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
> the murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>> I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
>> won't cut and run.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about
>>> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>>> That
>>> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>>> gutted
>>> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>>> police,
>>> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>>> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>>> Republicans
>>> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>>> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
>>> least one is.
>>>
>>> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to
>>> their
>>> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>>> that
>>> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>>> process of fitting back into American society.
>>>
>>> Earle

>
>




Dave Milne 10-20-2006 05:47 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the
news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama. The
sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to be
broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make
life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the
intense media scrutiny.

Dave Milne, Scotland


"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
> Bill and Earle....
>
> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder

of
> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent the
> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
> > won't cut and run.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill,
> >>
> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"

about
> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
> >> That
> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
> >> gutted
> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
> >> police,
> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
> >> Republicans
> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
> >> least one is.
> >>
> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to

their
> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
> >> that
> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
> >> process of fitting back into American society.
> >>
> >> Earle

>
>




Dave Milne 10-20-2006 05:47 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the
news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama. The
sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to be
broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make
life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the
intense media scrutiny.

Dave Milne, Scotland


"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
> Bill and Earle....
>
> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder

of
> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent the
> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
> > won't cut and run.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill,
> >>
> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"

about
> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
> >> That
> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
> >> gutted
> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
> >> police,
> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
> >> Republicans
> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
> >> least one is.
> >>
> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to

their
> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
> >> that
> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
> >> process of fitting back into American society.
> >>
> >> Earle

>
>




Dave Milne 10-20-2006 05:47 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the
news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama. The
sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to be
broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make
life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the
intense media scrutiny.

Dave Milne, Scotland


"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
> Bill and Earle....
>
> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder

of
> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent the
> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
> > won't cut and run.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill,
> >>
> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"

about
> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
> >> That
> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
> >> gutted
> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
> >> police,
> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
> >> Republicans
> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
> >> least one is.
> >>
> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to

their
> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
> >> that
> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
> >> process of fitting back into American society.
> >>
> >> Earle

>
>




bizbee 10-20-2006 06:20 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:58:02 -0700 in <4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net>,
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> graced the world with
this thought:

> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
>anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
>if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
>had.


But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American
sniper is ok...



bizbee 10-20-2006 06:20 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:58:02 -0700 in <4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net>,
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> graced the world with
this thought:

> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
>anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
>if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
>had.


But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American
sniper is ok...



bizbee 10-20-2006 06:20 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:58:02 -0700 in <4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net>,
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> graced the world with
this thought:

> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
>anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
>if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
>had.


But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American
sniper is ok...



billy ray 10-20-2006 10:16 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been standing
there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when a group of
terrorists set up within inches of the camera lens and failed to notice him
standing there physically attacking the shooter while screaming for the
soldiers to take cover.

Which scenario do you think likely from Ted's Commie Network News.

FWIW: I never met Ted but his mother always treated those of us at the store
very well.... I've never been able to understand how he could have come from
her...



"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:4-mdnf7B9qfhoaTYnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Proof?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
>> Bill and Earle....
>>
>> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder
>> of an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
>> the murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>>> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>>> I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
>>> won't cut and run.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"
>>>> about
>>>> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>>>> That
>>>> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>>>> gutted
>>>> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>>>> police,
>>>> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>>>> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>>>> Republicans
>>>> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>>>> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
>>>> least one is.
>>>>
>>>> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to
>>>> their
>>>> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>>>> that
>>>> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>>>> process of fitting back into American society.
>>>>
>>>> Earle

>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 10-20-2006 10:16 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been standing
there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when a group of
terrorists set up within inches of the camera lens and failed to notice him
standing there physically attacking the shooter while screaming for the
soldiers to take cover.

Which scenario do you think likely from Ted's Commie Network News.

FWIW: I never met Ted but his mother always treated those of us at the store
very well.... I've never been able to understand how he could have come from
her...



"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:4-mdnf7B9qfhoaTYnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Proof?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
>> Bill and Earle....
>>
>> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder
>> of an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
>> the murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>>> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>>> I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
>>> won't cut and run.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"
>>>> about
>>>> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>>>> That
>>>> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>>>> gutted
>>>> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>>>> police,
>>>> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>>>> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>>>> Republicans
>>>> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>>>> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
>>>> least one is.
>>>>
>>>> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to
>>>> their
>>>> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>>>> that
>>>> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>>>> process of fitting back into American society.
>>>>
>>>> Earle

>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 10-20-2006 10:16 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been standing
there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when a group of
terrorists set up within inches of the camera lens and failed to notice him
standing there physically attacking the shooter while screaming for the
soldiers to take cover.

Which scenario do you think likely from Ted's Commie Network News.

FWIW: I never met Ted but his mother always treated those of us at the store
very well.... I've never been able to understand how he could have come from
her...



"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:4-mdnf7B9qfhoaTYnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Proof?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
>> Bill and Earle....
>>
>> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder
>> of an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
>> the murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>>> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>>> I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
>>> won't cut and run.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"
>>>> about
>>>> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>>>> That
>>>> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>>>> gutted
>>>> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>>>> police,
>>>> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>>>> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>>>> Republicans
>>>> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>>>> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at
>>>> least one is.
>>>>
>>>> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to
>>>> their
>>>> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>>>> that
>>>> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>>>> process of fitting back into American society.
>>>>
>>>> Earle

>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 10-20-2006 10:22 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the
running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running away
when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed,
haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by
both sides.

A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign policy,
a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one
that does it best wins.......

Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Ztb_g.38867$r61.17862@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
> really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the
> news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama.
> The
> sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to be
> broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make
> life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the
> intense media scrutiny.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
>> Bill and Earle....
>>
>> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder

> of
>> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
>> the
>> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
>> > won't cut and run.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bill,
>> >>
>> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"

> about
>> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>> >> That
>> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>> >> gutted
>> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>> >> police,
>> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>> >> Republicans
>> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that
>> >> at
>> >> least one is.
>> >>
>> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to

> their
>> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>> >> that
>> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>> >> process of fitting back into American society.
>> >>
>> >> Earle

>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 10-20-2006 10:22 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the
running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running away
when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed,
haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by
both sides.

A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign policy,
a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one
that does it best wins.......

Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Ztb_g.38867$r61.17862@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
> really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the
> news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama.
> The
> sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to be
> broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make
> life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the
> intense media scrutiny.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
>> Bill and Earle....
>>
>> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder

> of
>> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
>> the
>> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
>> > won't cut and run.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bill,
>> >>
>> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"

> about
>> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>> >> That
>> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>> >> gutted
>> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>> >> police,
>> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>> >> Republicans
>> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that
>> >> at
>> >> least one is.
>> >>
>> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to

> their
>> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>> >> that
>> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>> >> process of fitting back into American society.
>> >>
>> >> Earle

>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 10-20-2006 10:22 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the
running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running away
when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed,
haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by
both sides.

A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign policy,
a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one
that does it best wins.......

Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....


"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Ztb_g.38867$r61.17862@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
> really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the
> news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama.
> The
> sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to be
> broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make
> life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the
> intense media scrutiny.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
>> Bill and Earle....
>>
>> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder

> of
>> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
>> the
>> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans
>> > won't cut and run.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bill,
>> >>
>> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"

> about
>> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day.
>> >> That
>> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>> >> gutted
>> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
>> >> police,
>> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an
>> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>> >> Republicans
>> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are
>> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that
>> >> at
>> >> least one is.
>> >>
>> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to

> their
>> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree
>> >> that
>> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult
>> >> process of fitting back into American society.
>> >>
>> >> Earle

>>
>>

>
>




billy ray 10-20-2006 10:34 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I'd have no problem with showing a film of a --------- attack being repulsed
by American soldiers, but I would not sanction any film showing the
deliberate murder of innocents or someone who came to help free you from a
murderous tyrant.

I do think the news networks should be required to show, every 15 minutes
around the clock, the murders by beheading, and other methods, of innocent
international aid workers and relief personnel. (who may ride in Jeeps)

The American public needs to know that these terrorists do not fit the
description of civilized human beings and need to be exterminated like rabid
dogs. (or run over by Jeeps)

The major media outlets intentionally, in my opinion, act to support the
terrorists and then cover up their atrocities...


"bizbee" <tuberoo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:YYb_g.13827$o71.2157@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net...
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:58:02 -0700 in <4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net>,
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> graced the world with
> this thought:
>
>> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
>>anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
>>if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
>>had.

>
> But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American
> sniper is ok...
>
>




billy ray 10-20-2006 10:34 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I'd have no problem with showing a film of a --------- attack being repulsed
by American soldiers, but I would not sanction any film showing the
deliberate murder of innocents or someone who came to help free you from a
murderous tyrant.

I do think the news networks should be required to show, every 15 minutes
around the clock, the murders by beheading, and other methods, of innocent
international aid workers and relief personnel. (who may ride in Jeeps)

The American public needs to know that these terrorists do not fit the
description of civilized human beings and need to be exterminated like rabid
dogs. (or run over by Jeeps)

The major media outlets intentionally, in my opinion, act to support the
terrorists and then cover up their atrocities...


"bizbee" <tuberoo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:YYb_g.13827$o71.2157@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net...
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:58:02 -0700 in <4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net>,
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> graced the world with
> this thought:
>
>> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
>>anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
>>if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
>>had.

>
> But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American
> sniper is ok...
>
>




billy ray 10-20-2006 10:34 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I'd have no problem with showing a film of a --------- attack being repulsed
by American soldiers, but I would not sanction any film showing the
deliberate murder of innocents or someone who came to help free you from a
murderous tyrant.

I do think the news networks should be required to show, every 15 minutes
around the clock, the murders by beheading, and other methods, of innocent
international aid workers and relief personnel. (who may ride in Jeeps)

The American public needs to know that these terrorists do not fit the
description of civilized human beings and need to be exterminated like rabid
dogs. (or run over by Jeeps)

The major media outlets intentionally, in my opinion, act to support the
terrorists and then cover up their atrocities...


"bizbee" <tuberoo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:YYb_g.13827$o71.2157@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net...
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:58:02 -0700 in <4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net>,
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> graced the world with
> this thought:
>
>> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these
>>anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and
>>if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors
>>had.

>
> But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American
> sniper is ok...
>
>




L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 10-21-2006 05:57 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The Al-Qa'ida Jihad have sworn to kill all Americans, and we use
cameras on our gun ships, so to see another enemy evaporated, some how
relieves some of the vengeance I feel for what they have done to us:
http://members.cox.net/----------/iraqTerrorist.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

bizbee wrote:
>
> But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American
> sniper is ok...


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 10-21-2006 05:57 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The Al-Qa'ida Jihad have sworn to kill all Americans, and we use
cameras on our gun ships, so to see another enemy evaporated, some how
relieves some of the vengeance I feel for what they have done to us:
http://members.cox.net/----------/iraqTerrorist.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

bizbee wrote:
>
> But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American
> sniper is ok...


L.W.(Bill) Hughes III 10-21-2006 05:57 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
The Al-Qa'ida Jihad have sworn to kill all Americans, and we use
cameras on our gun ships, so to see another enemy evaporated, some how
relieves some of the vengeance I feel for what they have done to us:
http://members.cox.net/----------/iraqTerrorist.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

bizbee wrote:
>
> But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American
> sniper is ok...


Earle Horton 10-21-2006 11:19 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I'm just tired of thinking about all the new homeless shelters and tetox
facilities we will have to build once it is all over. You don't break
things and kill people without paying for it later.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:cba5a$453984c0$422afc51$13618@FUSE.NET...
> The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the
> running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running

away
> when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed,
> haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by
> both sides.
>
> A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign

policy,
> a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one
> that does it best wins.......
>
> Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Ztb_g.38867$r61.17862@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> >I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
> > really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the
> > news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama.
> > The
> > sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to

be
> > broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make
> > life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the
> > intense media scrutiny.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
> >> Bill and Earle....
> >>
> >> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated

murder
> > of
> >> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
> >> the
> >> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
> >>
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
> >> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
> >> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find

Americans
> >> > won't cut and run.
> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill,
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"

> > about
> >> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every

day.
> >> >> That
> >> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
> >> >> gutted
> >> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
> >> >> police,
> >> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but

an
> >> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
> >> >> Republicans
> >> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans

are
> >> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that
> >> >> at
> >> >> least one is.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to

> > their
> >> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing

spree
> >> >> that
> >> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and

difficult
> >> >> process of fitting back into American society.
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>
>




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Earle Horton 10-21-2006 11:19 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I'm just tired of thinking about all the new homeless shelters and tetox
facilities we will have to build once it is all over. You don't break
things and kill people without paying for it later.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:cba5a$453984c0$422afc51$13618@FUSE.NET...
> The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the
> running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running

away
> when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed,
> haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by
> both sides.
>
> A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign

policy,
> a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one
> that does it best wins.......
>
> Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Ztb_g.38867$r61.17862@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> >I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
> > really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the
> > news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama.
> > The
> > sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to

be
> > broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make
> > life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the
> > intense media scrutiny.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
> >> Bill and Earle....
> >>
> >> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated

murder
> > of
> >> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
> >> the
> >> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
> >>
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
> >> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
> >> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find

Americans
> >> > won't cut and run.
> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill,
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"

> > about
> >> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every

day.
> >> >> That
> >> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
> >> >> gutted
> >> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
> >> >> police,
> >> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but

an
> >> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
> >> >> Republicans
> >> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans

are
> >> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that
> >> >> at
> >> >> least one is.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to

> > their
> >> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing

spree
> >> >> that
> >> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and

difficult
> >> >> process of fitting back into American society.
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>
>




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Earle Horton 10-21-2006 11:19 AM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
I'm just tired of thinking about all the new homeless shelters and tetox
facilities we will have to build once it is all over. You don't break
things and kill people without paying for it later.

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:cba5a$453984c0$422afc51$13618@FUSE.NET...
> The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the
> running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running

away
> when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed,
> haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by
> both sides.
>
> A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign

policy,
> a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one
> that does it best wins.......
>
> Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:Ztb_g.38867$r61.17862@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> >I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
> > really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the
> > news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama.
> > The
> > sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to

be
> > broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make
> > life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the
> > intense media scrutiny.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
> >> Bill and Earle....
> >>
> >> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated

murder
> > of
> >> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
> >> the
> >> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
> >>
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
> >> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
> >> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find

Americans
> >> > won't cut and run.
> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >
> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill,
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"

> > about
> >> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every

day.
> >> >> That
> >> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
> >> >> gutted
> >> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for
> >> >> police,
> >> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but

an
> >> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
> >> >> Republicans
> >> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans

are
> >> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that
> >> >> at
> >> >> least one is.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to

> > their
> >> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing

spree
> >> >> that
> >> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and

difficult
> >> >> process of fitting back into American society.
> >> >>
> >> >> Earle
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>
>




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billy ray 10-21-2006 01:01 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Exactly.... but then the numbers aren't what you have been led to believe.

Thursday night while I was switching through the channels I paused for a
moment on Katie Couric as she was saying that after the commercial the story
would be about mentally ill soldiers being redeployed to combat.

As this was of interest to me I waited for the report. Katie claimed that
15% of soldiers had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and they were routinely
being redeployed.

Their expert claimed that returning a soldier to active duty was improper
treatment..... needless to say they neglected to offer what their expert's
qualifications were. His proscribed treatment was apparently hand holding
and collecting a government check.

They managed to find 3 soldiers diagnoses with PTSD that were reassigned to
their former units on active duty.

One soldier was never interviewed but his father showed Katie letters he had
written from the front detailing his fears. The father admitted that the son
never requested other non combat duty or a medical release from the service
or made any other complaint. His son was complying and participating in the
Army's treatment program.

The second soldier made it clear that this was an unjust war against a
sovereign country and his problems were all cause by persons in authority
and he was a powerless dupe of the military-industrial complex. I had some
reason to question his actual situation and motives that were. of course,
caused by class prejudice as he was covered with home made 'jail' tattoos
and claiming all sorts of problems not being addressed by the VA.

The final soldier's family basically told Katie "piss-off commie, our son
requested to returned to his unit - to active duty"

Now back to Katie's expert that no one has ever heard of before.... His
contention was re-exposure to traumatic conditions is contra-indicated and
endangered the other members of his squad implying, in his opinion, that
these soldiers will refuse to act in emergency situations.

The currently accepted treatment for PTSD is:
1. Initial rest
2. Psychotherapy to remember, recognize, and accept what happened.
3. Anti-Depressant therapy as needed.
4. Re-exposure to the location the trauma occurred.
Failure to re-expose someone to the location of trauma only serves to
reinforces the trauma's ill effects. Along with the other steps it follows
the old adage to 'Get back on that horse that threw you ASAP or you will
live in fear the rest of your life."

Given the choice of a combat veteran with treated PTSD and a whiny, hand
wringing, oh the humanity!, tree hugger who only joined to get money for
school soldier I would take the combat veteran ANY time as he is more likely
to shoot first and ask questions later when exposed to a situation where the
difference between MY life and death is a fraction of a second.

As a final interesting not just the night before the CBS news broadcast a
report on PTSD treatment that contradicted their expert the following night.




"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:453a2db1$0$19660$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> I'm just tired of thinking about all the new homeless shelters and tetox
> facilities we will have to build once it is all over. You don't break
> things and kill people without paying for it later.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:cba5a$453984c0$422afc51$13618@FUSE.NET...
>> The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the
>> running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running

> away
>> when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed,
>> haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by
>> both sides.
>>
>> A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign

> policy,
>> a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one
>> that does it best wins.......
>>
>> Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....
>>
>>
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:Ztb_g.38867$r61.17862@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
>> > really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and
>> > the
>> > news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama.
>> > The
>> > sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to

> be
>> > broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will
>> > make
>> > life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without
>> > the
>> > intense media scrutiny.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
>> >> Bill and Earle....
>> >>
>> >> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated

> murder
>> > of
>> >> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
>> >> the
>> >> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>> >> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>> >> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find

> Americans
>> >> > won't cut and run.
>> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bill,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"
>> > about
>> >> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every

> day.
>> >> >> That
>> >> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>> >> >> gutted
>> >> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> police,
>> >> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but

> an
>> >> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>> >> >> Republicans
>> >> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans

> are
>> >> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> least one is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to
>> > their
>> >> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing

> spree
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and

> difficult
>> >> >> process of fitting back into American society.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>
>>

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




billy ray 10-21-2006 01:01 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Exactly.... but then the numbers aren't what you have been led to believe.

Thursday night while I was switching through the channels I paused for a
moment on Katie Couric as she was saying that after the commercial the story
would be about mentally ill soldiers being redeployed to combat.

As this was of interest to me I waited for the report. Katie claimed that
15% of soldiers had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and they were routinely
being redeployed.

Their expert claimed that returning a soldier to active duty was improper
treatment..... needless to say they neglected to offer what their expert's
qualifications were. His proscribed treatment was apparently hand holding
and collecting a government check.

They managed to find 3 soldiers diagnoses with PTSD that were reassigned to
their former units on active duty.

One soldier was never interviewed but his father showed Katie letters he had
written from the front detailing his fears. The father admitted that the son
never requested other non combat duty or a medical release from the service
or made any other complaint. His son was complying and participating in the
Army's treatment program.

The second soldier made it clear that this was an unjust war against a
sovereign country and his problems were all cause by persons in authority
and he was a powerless dupe of the military-industrial complex. I had some
reason to question his actual situation and motives that were. of course,
caused by class prejudice as he was covered with home made 'jail' tattoos
and claiming all sorts of problems not being addressed by the VA.

The final soldier's family basically told Katie "piss-off commie, our son
requested to returned to his unit - to active duty"

Now back to Katie's expert that no one has ever heard of before.... His
contention was re-exposure to traumatic conditions is contra-indicated and
endangered the other members of his squad implying, in his opinion, that
these soldiers will refuse to act in emergency situations.

The currently accepted treatment for PTSD is:
1. Initial rest
2. Psychotherapy to remember, recognize, and accept what happened.
3. Anti-Depressant therapy as needed.
4. Re-exposure to the location the trauma occurred.
Failure to re-expose someone to the location of trauma only serves to
reinforces the trauma's ill effects. Along with the other steps it follows
the old adage to 'Get back on that horse that threw you ASAP or you will
live in fear the rest of your life."

Given the choice of a combat veteran with treated PTSD and a whiny, hand
wringing, oh the humanity!, tree hugger who only joined to get money for
school soldier I would take the combat veteran ANY time as he is more likely
to shoot first and ask questions later when exposed to a situation where the
difference between MY life and death is a fraction of a second.

As a final interesting not just the night before the CBS news broadcast a
report on PTSD treatment that contradicted their expert the following night.




"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:453a2db1$0$19660$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> I'm just tired of thinking about all the new homeless shelters and tetox
> facilities we will have to build once it is all over. You don't break
> things and kill people without paying for it later.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:cba5a$453984c0$422afc51$13618@FUSE.NET...
>> The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the
>> running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running

> away
>> when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed,
>> haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by
>> both sides.
>>
>> A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign

> policy,
>> a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one
>> that does it best wins.......
>>
>> Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....
>>
>>
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:Ztb_g.38867$r61.17862@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
>> > really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and
>> > the
>> > news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama.
>> > The
>> > sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to

> be
>> > broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will
>> > make
>> > life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without
>> > the
>> > intense media scrutiny.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
>> >> Bill and Earle....
>> >>
>> >> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated

> murder
>> > of
>> >> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
>> >> the
>> >> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>> >> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>> >> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find

> Americans
>> >> > won't cut and run.
>> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bill,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"
>> > about
>> >> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every

> day.
>> >> >> That
>> >> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>> >> >> gutted
>> >> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> police,
>> >> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but

> an
>> >> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>> >> >> Republicans
>> >> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans

> are
>> >> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> least one is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to
>> > their
>> >> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing

> spree
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and

> difficult
>> >> >> process of fitting back into American society.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>
>>

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




billy ray 10-21-2006 01:01 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
Exactly.... but then the numbers aren't what you have been led to believe.

Thursday night while I was switching through the channels I paused for a
moment on Katie Couric as she was saying that after the commercial the story
would be about mentally ill soldiers being redeployed to combat.

As this was of interest to me I waited for the report. Katie claimed that
15% of soldiers had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and they were routinely
being redeployed.

Their expert claimed that returning a soldier to active duty was improper
treatment..... needless to say they neglected to offer what their expert's
qualifications were. His proscribed treatment was apparently hand holding
and collecting a government check.

They managed to find 3 soldiers diagnoses with PTSD that were reassigned to
their former units on active duty.

One soldier was never interviewed but his father showed Katie letters he had
written from the front detailing his fears. The father admitted that the son
never requested other non combat duty or a medical release from the service
or made any other complaint. His son was complying and participating in the
Army's treatment program.

The second soldier made it clear that this was an unjust war against a
sovereign country and his problems were all cause by persons in authority
and he was a powerless dupe of the military-industrial complex. I had some
reason to question his actual situation and motives that were. of course,
caused by class prejudice as he was covered with home made 'jail' tattoos
and claiming all sorts of problems not being addressed by the VA.

The final soldier's family basically told Katie "piss-off commie, our son
requested to returned to his unit - to active duty"

Now back to Katie's expert that no one has ever heard of before.... His
contention was re-exposure to traumatic conditions is contra-indicated and
endangered the other members of his squad implying, in his opinion, that
these soldiers will refuse to act in emergency situations.

The currently accepted treatment for PTSD is:
1. Initial rest
2. Psychotherapy to remember, recognize, and accept what happened.
3. Anti-Depressant therapy as needed.
4. Re-exposure to the location the trauma occurred.
Failure to re-expose someone to the location of trauma only serves to
reinforces the trauma's ill effects. Along with the other steps it follows
the old adage to 'Get back on that horse that threw you ASAP or you will
live in fear the rest of your life."

Given the choice of a combat veteran with treated PTSD and a whiny, hand
wringing, oh the humanity!, tree hugger who only joined to get money for
school soldier I would take the combat veteran ANY time as he is more likely
to shoot first and ask questions later when exposed to a situation where the
difference between MY life and death is a fraction of a second.

As a final interesting not just the night before the CBS news broadcast a
report on PTSD treatment that contradicted their expert the following night.




"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:453a2db1$0$19660$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> I'm just tired of thinking about all the new homeless shelters and tetox
> facilities we will have to build once it is all over. You don't break
> things and kill people without paying for it later.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:cba5a$453984c0$422afc51$13618@FUSE.NET...
>> The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the
>> running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running

> away
>> when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed,
>> haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by
>> both sides.
>>
>> A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign

> policy,
>> a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one
>> that does it best wins.......
>>
>> Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....
>>
>>
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:Ztb_g.38867$r61.17862@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a
>> > really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and
>> > the
>> > news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama.
>> > The
>> > sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to

> be
>> > broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will
>> > make
>> > life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without
>> > the
>> > intense media scrutiny.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:c8dd5$453910e8$422afc51$12867@FUSE.NET...
>> >> Bill and Earle....
>> >>
>> >> Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated

> murder
>> > of
>> >> an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent
>> >> the
>> >> murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:4538E7B4.791D4C09@cox.net...
>> >> > The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder!
>> >> > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find

> Americans
>> >> > won't cut and run.
>> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bill,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical"
>> > about
>> >> >> showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every

> day.
>> >> >> That
>> >> >> is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire
>> >> >> gutted
>> >> >> buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> police,
>> >> >> fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but

> an
>> >> >> unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the
>> >> >> Republicans
>> >> >> and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans

> are
>> >> >> stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> least one is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to
>> > their
>> >> >> own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing

> spree
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and

> difficult
>> >> >> process of fitting back into American society.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>
>>

>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>




Thomas Waldron 10-22-2006 04:00 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
billy ray wrote:
> The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been standing
> there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when a group of
> terrorists set up within inches of the camera lens and failed to notice him
> standing there physically attacking the shooter while screaming for the
> soldiers to take cover.
>
> Which scenario do you think likely from Ted's Commie Network News.
>
> FWIW: I never met Ted but his mother always treated those of us at the store
> very well.... I've never been able to understand how he could have come from
> her...



....or not...

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/ande...per-video.html


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Thomas Waldron 10-22-2006 04:00 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
billy ray wrote:
> The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been standing
> there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when a group of
> terrorists set up within inches of the camera lens and failed to notice him
> standing there physically attacking the shooter while screaming for the
> soldiers to take cover.
>
> Which scenario do you think likely from Ted's Commie Network News.
>
> FWIW: I never met Ted but his mother always treated those of us at the store
> very well.... I've never been able to understand how he could have come from
> her...



....or not...

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/ande...per-video.html


--
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Thomas Waldron 10-22-2006 04:00 PM

Re: Off Topic- CNN reporter film sniper kills
 
billy ray wrote:
> The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been standing
> there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when a group of
> terrorists set up within inches of the camera lens and failed to notice him
> standing there physically attacking the shooter while screaming for the
> soldiers to take cover.
>
> Which scenario do you think likely from Ted's Commie Network News.
>
> FWIW: I never met Ted but his mother always treated those of us at the store
> very well.... I've never been able to understand how he could have come from
> her...



....or not...

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/ande...per-video.html


--
PLEASE REMOVE THE "OBVIOUS" TO REPLY.


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