odd Shift pattern
01-21-2004, 05:43 PM
#11
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Re: odd Shift pattern
My CJ has an old Ford trans that is a 4 spd with R over to the right, and
back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
"Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
> I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
> speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
forward
> ( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
to
> try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
> anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
> ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
> it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
> what it may be?
>
>
>
> R 1 3
> |---|
> 2 4
>
>
>
back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
"Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
> I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
> speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
forward
> ( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
to
> try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
> anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
> ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
> it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
> what it may be?
>
>
>
> R 1 3
> |---|
> 2 4
>
>
>
01-21-2004, 05:43 PM
#12
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Re: odd Shift pattern
My CJ has an old Ford trans that is a 4 spd with R over to the right, and
back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
"Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
> I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
> speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
forward
> ( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
to
> try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
> anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
> ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
> it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
> what it may be?
>
>
>
> R 1 3
> |---|
> 2 4
>
>
>
back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
"Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
> I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
> speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
forward
> ( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
to
> try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
> anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
> ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
> it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
> what it may be?
>
>
>
> R 1 3
> |---|
> 2 4
>
>
>
01-21-2004, 05:43 PM
#13
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Re: odd Shift pattern
My CJ has an old Ford trans that is a 4 spd with R over to the right, and
back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
"Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
> I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
> speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
forward
> ( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
to
> try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
> anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
> ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
> it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
> what it may be?
>
>
>
> R 1 3
> |---|
> 2 4
>
>
>
back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
"Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
> I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
> speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
forward
> ( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
to
> try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
> anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
> ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
> it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
> what it may be?
>
>
>
> R 1 3
> |---|
> 2 4
>
>
>
01-21-2004, 10:41 PM
#14
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Re: odd Shift pattern
Your house does not have a foundation! Ya gotta go north where we
have cold, and frost, and winter, and ice, and wind chill before
the inspectors want a foundation. :)
Cheers. (Currently -24 windchill and dropping)
CRWLR wrote:
> My CJ has an old Ford trans that is a 4 spd with R over to the right, and
> back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
> 3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
> R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
> select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
> before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
> useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
> without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
> side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
> Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
>
>
>
>
> "Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
>
>>I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
>>speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
>
> forward
>
>>( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
>
> to
>
>>try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
>>anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
>>ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
>>it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
>>what it may be?
>>
>>
>>
>>R 1 3
>> |---|
>> 2 4
>>
>>
>>
>
>
have cold, and frost, and winter, and ice, and wind chill before
the inspectors want a foundation. :)
Cheers. (Currently -24 windchill and dropping)
CRWLR wrote:
> My CJ has an old Ford trans that is a 4 spd with R over to the right, and
> back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
> 3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
> R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
> select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
> before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
> useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
> without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
> side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
> Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
>
>
>
>
> "Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
>
>>I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
>>speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
>
> forward
>
>>( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
>
> to
>
>>try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
>>anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
>>ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
>>it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
>>what it may be?
>>
>>
>>
>>R 1 3
>> |---|
>> 2 4
>>
>>
>>
>
>
01-21-2004, 10:41 PM
#15
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Re: odd Shift pattern
Your house does not have a foundation! Ya gotta go north where we
have cold, and frost, and winter, and ice, and wind chill before
the inspectors want a foundation. :)
Cheers. (Currently -24 windchill and dropping)
CRWLR wrote:
> My CJ has an old Ford trans that is a 4 spd with R over to the right, and
> back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
> 3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
> R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
> select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
> before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
> useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
> without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
> side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
> Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
>
>
>
>
> "Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
>
>>I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
>>speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
>
> forward
>
>>( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
>
> to
>
>>try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
>>anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
>>ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
>>it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
>>what it may be?
>>
>>
>>
>>R 1 3
>> |---|
>> 2 4
>>
>>
>>
>
>
have cold, and frost, and winter, and ice, and wind chill before
the inspectors want a foundation. :)
Cheers. (Currently -24 windchill and dropping)
CRWLR wrote:
> My CJ has an old Ford trans that is a 4 spd with R over to the right, and
> back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
> 3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
> R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
> select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
> before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
> useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
> without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
> side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
> Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
>
>
>
>
> "Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
>
>>I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
>>speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
>
> forward
>
>>( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
>
> to
>
>>try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
>>anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
>>ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
>>it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
>>what it may be?
>>
>>
>>
>>R 1 3
>> |---|
>> 2 4
>>
>>
>>
>
>
01-21-2004, 10:41 PM
#16
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Re: odd Shift pattern
Your house does not have a foundation! Ya gotta go north where we
have cold, and frost, and winter, and ice, and wind chill before
the inspectors want a foundation. :)
Cheers. (Currently -24 windchill and dropping)
CRWLR wrote:
> My CJ has an old Ford trans that is a 4 spd with R over to the right, and
> back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
> 3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
> R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
> select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
> before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
> useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
> without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
> side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
> Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
>
>
>
>
> "Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
>
>>I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
>>speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
>
> forward
>
>>( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
>
> to
>
>>try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
>>anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
>>ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
>>it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
>>what it may be?
>>
>>
>>
>>R 1 3
>> |---|
>> 2 4
>>
>>
>>
>
>
have cold, and frost, and winter, and ice, and wind chill before
the inspectors want a foundation. :)
Cheers. (Currently -24 windchill and dropping)
CRWLR wrote:
> My CJ has an old Ford trans that is a 4 spd with R over to the right, and
> back. I said my trans was a Ford, but the truth is the donor was a '65 Ford
> 3/4 ton truck, the trans itself is a NP435 with a 6.69:1 granny lo 1st gear.
> R is also about the same ratio. I can put my Jeep in LO range in the tcase,
> select 1st gear, let the clutch out at idle, get out and walk around it
> before it can roll twice the length of the wheelbase. This is not a very
> useful feature, except that it means my Jeep can dig holes under each tire
> without stalling, and it can pull my house off of its foundation. The down
> side is that I can not shift from 1st to 2nd without coming to a full stop.
> Basically, speed-shifts are out of the question.
>
>
>
>
> "Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:EepPb.57236$yv3.28800@fe11.usenetserver.com.. .
>
>>I looked at a 80 CJ7 tonight that had a strange shift pattern. It is a 4
>>speed in a classic "H" pattern, but the reverse was to the left and
>
> forward
>
>>( ie toward the driver and towards the dash). I did not crawl underneath
>
> to
>
>>try to read any stamps on it. But I am stumped at what it would be. Does
>>anyone make a tranny in that pattern that would mount in a CJ? I am not a
>>ford guy, but does ford make one that has reverse to the left - rear?? Is
>>it a ford left - rear with the linkage installed wrong? Any other ideas
>>what it may be?
>>
>>
>>
>>R 1 3
>> |---|
>> 2 4
>>
>>
>>
>
>
01-21-2004, 11:44 PM
#17
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Re: odd Shift pattern
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> That's the typical American made transmission, made by Borg-Warner,
> or Muncie shift pattern. What front wheel drive rice burner were you
> thinking of?
It's been a long time since that pattern was "typical"... the only
vehicles you find with reverse to the upper left anymore are semi's,
dumps and six wheelers.
I don't know what front wheel drive or rice burners has to do with it...
My 65 Mustang had a three speed with reverse in the "typical" pattern...
That is to say: down and to the right.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> That's the typical American made transmission, made by Borg-Warner,
> or Muncie shift pattern. What front wheel drive rice burner were you
> thinking of?
It's been a long time since that pattern was "typical"... the only
vehicles you find with reverse to the upper left anymore are semi's,
dumps and six wheelers.
I don't know what front wheel drive or rice burners has to do with it...
My 65 Mustang had a three speed with reverse in the "typical" pattern...
That is to say: down and to the right.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
01-21-2004, 11:44 PM
#18
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Re: odd Shift pattern
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> That's the typical American made transmission, made by Borg-Warner,
> or Muncie shift pattern. What front wheel drive rice burner were you
> thinking of?
It's been a long time since that pattern was "typical"... the only
vehicles you find with reverse to the upper left anymore are semi's,
dumps and six wheelers.
I don't know what front wheel drive or rice burners has to do with it...
My 65 Mustang had a three speed with reverse in the "typical" pattern...
That is to say: down and to the right.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> That's the typical American made transmission, made by Borg-Warner,
> or Muncie shift pattern. What front wheel drive rice burner were you
> thinking of?
It's been a long time since that pattern was "typical"... the only
vehicles you find with reverse to the upper left anymore are semi's,
dumps and six wheelers.
I don't know what front wheel drive or rice burners has to do with it...
My 65 Mustang had a three speed with reverse in the "typical" pattern...
That is to say: down and to the right.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
01-21-2004, 11:44 PM
#19
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Re: odd Shift pattern
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> That's the typical American made transmission, made by Borg-Warner,
> or Muncie shift pattern. What front wheel drive rice burner were you
> thinking of?
It's been a long time since that pattern was "typical"... the only
vehicles you find with reverse to the upper left anymore are semi's,
dumps and six wheelers.
I don't know what front wheel drive or rice burners has to do with it...
My 65 Mustang had a three speed with reverse in the "typical" pattern...
That is to say: down and to the right.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> That's the typical American made transmission, made by Borg-Warner,
> or Muncie shift pattern. What front wheel drive rice burner were you
> thinking of?
It's been a long time since that pattern was "typical"... the only
vehicles you find with reverse to the upper left anymore are semi's,
dumps and six wheelers.
I don't know what front wheel drive or rice burners has to do with it...
My 65 Mustang had a three speed with reverse in the "typical" pattern...
That is to say: down and to the right.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
01-22-2004, 12:43 AM
#20
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Re: odd Shift pattern
I don't know why you would lie about the '65 Mustang, but the four
speed's pattern would be like:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...=HUU%2D1630003 as all
other America cars would be, and of course the three speed would be the
standard "H" pattern, that would have reverse in the first gear position
of this picture.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Junco wrote:
>
> It's been a long time since that pattern was "typical"... the only
> vehicles you find with reverse to the upper left anymore are semi's,
> dumps and six wheelers.
>
> I don't know what front wheel drive or rice burners has to do with it...
> My 65 Mustang had a three speed with reverse in the "typical" pattern...
> That is to say: down and to the right.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
speed's pattern would be like:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...=HUU%2D1630003 as all
other America cars would be, and of course the three speed would be the
standard "H" pattern, that would have reverse in the first gear position
of this picture.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Junco wrote:
>
> It's been a long time since that pattern was "typical"... the only
> vehicles you find with reverse to the upper left anymore are semi's,
> dumps and six wheelers.
>
> I don't know what front wheel drive or rice burners has to do with it...
> My 65 Mustang had a three speed with reverse in the "typical" pattern...
> That is to say: down and to the right.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein