Carlo Jr.

I have one of those, too.............hallway sweeper. I've wanted to get the
"Marine" model (Stainless) - but haven't, yet.

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr@comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:%Rt9b.9033$x21.8589@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> hi kevin,
> it really depends on the type of hunting youll be doing. ive got a
> winchester defender that i swear by, but it wouldnt be well suited for
small
> game.
>
http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodi...d=104&cat=012C
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
> > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
advice
> > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
Remington
> > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
> cheap,
> > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already
went
> > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very
well
> > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's
yet
> > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I
could
> > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
> >
> > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
> >
> > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
> >
> > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
olds
> > all week!
> >
> >
>
>

FrankW

If I were you, just starting out hunting.
I'd buy a single shot 12G shotgun. They should be cheap
to buy and nothing like a single shot to hone your hunting skills.
I guess that's why they call it duck hunting or deer hunting
instead of duck shooting or deer shooting :-)

Kevin Sperle wrote:
> Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a target
> if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little bit
> much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into it.
> I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other day
> and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I thought
> my arm was gonna fall off :-)
>
> Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
> interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons to
> be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
>
>>When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
>>barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
>>
>>I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
>>friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
>>in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
>>
>>You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
>>grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
>>410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
>>or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
>>nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
>>range as a bonus.
>>
>>Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
>>worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
>>
>>One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
>>but do remember it jammed a lot.
>>
>>Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
>>gun.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>Kevin Sperle wrote:
>>
>>>Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
>>>childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
>>
> advice
>
>>>from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
>>
> Remington
>
>>>870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
>>
> cheap,
>
>>>in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
>>>effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already
>>
> went
>
>>>out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very
>>
> well
>
>>>with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
>>>$229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's
>>
> yet
>
>>>although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
>>>fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I
>>
> could
>
>>>be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>>>
>>>I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
>>>goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>>>
>>>Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>>>
>>>P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
>>>education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
>>
> olds
>
>>>all week!
>>
>
>

FrankW

If I were you, just starting out hunting.
I'd buy a single shot 12G shotgun. They should be cheap
to buy and nothing like a single shot to hone your hunting skills.
I guess that's why they call it duck hunting or deer hunting
instead of duck shooting or deer shooting :-)

Kevin Sperle wrote:
> Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a target
> if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little bit
> much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into it.
> I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other day
> and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I thought
> my arm was gonna fall off :-)
>
> Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
> interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons to
> be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
>
>>When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
>>barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
>>
>>I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
>>friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
>>in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
>>
>>You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
>>grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
>>410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
>>or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
>>nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
>>range as a bonus.
>>
>>Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
>>worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
>>
>>One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
>>but do remember it jammed a lot.
>>
>>Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
>>gun.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>Kevin Sperle wrote:
>>
>>>Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
>>>childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
>>
> advice
>
>>>from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
>>
> Remington
>
>>>870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
>>
> cheap,
>
>>>in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
>>>effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already
>>
> went
>
>>>out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very
>>
> well
>
>>>with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
>>>$229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's
>>
> yet
>
>>>although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
>>>fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I
>>
> could
>
>>>be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>>>
>>>I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
>>>goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>>>
>>>Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>>>
>>>P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
>>>education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
>>
> olds
>
>>>all week!
>>
>
>

mabar

The Remington 870 is available straight from the factory in a combo pack
with 2 barrels in a couple of different variations. It's a good quality,
inexpensive shotgun and the two barrel combo package is worth the extra
money. Gives you a lot more versatility with two barrels.

http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/870excmb.htm

Tom

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!
>
>

mabar

The Remington 870 is available straight from the factory in a combo pack
with 2 barrels in a couple of different variations. It's a good quality,
inexpensive shotgun and the two barrel combo package is worth the extra
money. Gives you a lot more versatility with two barrels.

http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/870excmb.htm

Tom

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!
>
>

Andrew

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net>...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.

I have a 12Ga Remington 1100. It is semi-auto so it is nice and easy
on the shoulder. Something to think about.

Andrew
'00 TJ Sahara

Andrew

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net>...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.

I have a 12Ga Remington 1100. It is semi-auto so it is nice and easy
on the shoulder. Something to think about.

Andrew
'00 TJ Sahara

Andrew

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net>...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.

I have a 12Ga Remington 1100. It is semi-auto so it is nice and easy
on the shoulder. Something to think about.

Andrew
'00 TJ Sahara

Andrew

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net>...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.

I have a 12Ga Remington 1100. It is semi-auto so it is nice and easy
on the shoulder. Something to think about.

Andrew
'00 TJ Sahara

Jjsegr

I vote for the reliable Rem. 870 in 12 Ga., 26 -28" barrel. With the
interchangeable screw-in choke tubes, it is versatile - and (as I recall)
lighter than my autoloader (11-87 Special Purpose).

In the event that you're likely to begin hunting waterfowl, get a minimum 3"
chamber. I am uninformed if Remingtons have made the change to 3 1/2", but
Mossburg has, I know.

In years to come, you can always go to a Benelli 3 1/2" auto...