Kevin Sperle

Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are cheap,
in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
$229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
be putting into my tranny swap this winter).

I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.

Anyone wanna throw in their .02?

P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
all week!

Dave Milne

Must be tough knowing you can't use the "Grand Theft Auto" defence !

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3104892.stm>

"One man was killed and a woman was badly hurt when William Buckner, 16, and
his step-brother Joshua, 14, decided to relieve their boredom by opening
fire on traffic on Interstate 40 with a .22-calibre rifle.
Lawyer Jack Thompson has taken up the case and plans to sue the makers of
Grand Theft Auto, saying they should bear some responsibility for the death
of Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old nurse and the injuries caused."

Now, I am in favour of guns as you guys know, but if the "armed society is a
polite society" line was really true ... somone would have shot the bastards
dead and you wouldn't be having a court case !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...

: P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
: education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
: all week!
:
:

Dave Milne

Must be tough knowing you can't use the "Grand Theft Auto" defence !

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3104892.stm>

"One man was killed and a woman was badly hurt when William Buckner, 16, and
his step-brother Joshua, 14, decided to relieve their boredom by opening
fire on traffic on Interstate 40 with a .22-calibre rifle.
Lawyer Jack Thompson has taken up the case and plans to sue the makers of
Grand Theft Auto, saying they should bear some responsibility for the death
of Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old nurse and the injuries caused."

Now, I am in favour of guns as you guys know, but if the "armed society is a
polite society" line was really true ... somone would have shot the bastards
dead and you wouldn't be having a court case !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...

: P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
: education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
: all week!
:
:

Kevin Sperle

I read that story a few days ago. Just amazing what some people try to get
away with. "Your honor, It's the games fault that my client went out and
shot three people! He's 15, how is he supposed to know that it's wrong?"
I'm not bashing lawyers, but COME ON! Nobody is responsible for their
actions anymore. It's the movies or the media or their friends that made
em' do it!

My guess would be that they never participated in a hunters education class,
or they would have known that "shooting people is wrong" ;-)

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Zpp9b.11291$Jf4.100208743@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Must be tough knowing you can't use the "Grand Theft Auto" defence !
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3104892.stm>
>
> "One man was killed and a woman was badly hurt when William Buckner, 16,
and
> his step-brother Joshua, 14, decided to relieve their boredom by opening
> fire on traffic on Interstate 40 with a .22-calibre rifle.
> Lawyer Jack Thompson has taken up the case and plans to sue the makers of
> Grand Theft Auto, saying they should bear some responsibility for the
death
> of Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old nurse and the injuries caused."
>
> Now, I am in favour of guns as you guys know, but if the "armed society is
a
> polite society" line was really true ... somone would have shot the
bastards
> dead and you wouldn't be having a court case !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
>
> : P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> : education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
olds
> : all week!
> :
> :
>
>

Kevin Sperle

I read that story a few days ago. Just amazing what some people try to get
away with. "Your honor, It's the games fault that my client went out and
shot three people! He's 15, how is he supposed to know that it's wrong?"
I'm not bashing lawyers, but COME ON! Nobody is responsible for their
actions anymore. It's the movies or the media or their friends that made
em' do it!

My guess would be that they never participated in a hunters education class,
or they would have known that "shooting people is wrong" ;-)

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Zpp9b.11291$Jf4.100208743@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Must be tough knowing you can't use the "Grand Theft Auto" defence !
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3104892.stm>
>
> "One man was killed and a woman was badly hurt when William Buckner, 16,
and
> his step-brother Joshua, 14, decided to relieve their boredom by opening
> fire on traffic on Interstate 40 with a .22-calibre rifle.
> Lawyer Jack Thompson has taken up the case and plans to sue the makers of
> Grand Theft Auto, saying they should bear some responsibility for the
death
> of Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old nurse and the injuries caused."
>
> Now, I am in favour of guns as you guys know, but if the "armed society is
a
> polite society" line was really true ... somone would have shot the
bastards
> dead and you wouldn't be having a court case !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
>
> : P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> : education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
olds
> : all week!
> :
> :
>
>

Mike Romain

When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.

I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)

You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
range as a bonus.

Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.

One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
but do remember it jammed a lot.

Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
gun.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Kevin Sperle wrote:
>
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!

Mike Romain

When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.

I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)

You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
range as a bonus.

Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.

One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
but do remember it jammed a lot.

Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
gun.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Kevin Sperle wrote:
>
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!

Kevin Sperle

Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a target
if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little bit
much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into it.
I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other day
and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I thought
my arm was gonna fall off :-)

Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons to
be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
> When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
> barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
>
> I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
> friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
> in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
>
> You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
> grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
> 410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
> or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
> nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
> range as a bonus.
>
> Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
> worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
>
> One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
> but do remember it jammed a lot.
>
> Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
> gun.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Kevin Sperle wrote:
> >
> > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
advice
> > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
Remington
> > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
cheap,
> > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already
went
> > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very
well
> > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's
yet
> > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I
could
> > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
> >
> > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
> >
> > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
> >
> > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
olds
> > all week!

Kevin Sperle

Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a target
if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little bit
much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into it.
I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other day
and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I thought
my arm was gonna fall off :-)

Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons to
be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
> When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
> barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
>
> I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
> friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
> in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
>
> You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
> grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
> 410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
> or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
> nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
> range as a bonus.
>
> Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
> worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
>
> One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
> but do remember it jammed a lot.
>
> Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
> gun.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Kevin Sperle wrote:
> >
> > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
advice
> > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
Remington
> > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
cheap,
> > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already
went
> > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very
well
> > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's
yet
> > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I
could
> > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
> >
> > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
> >
> > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
> >
> > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
olds
> > all week!

Dave Milne

410s are nice and light. Only downside is that you have to be able to shoot,
as the ------ is that much smaller.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BLq9b.64$ta1.83446@news.uswest.net...
: Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a
target
: if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little
bit
: much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into
it.
: I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other
day
: and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I
thought
: my arm was gonna fall off :-)
:
: Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
: interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons
to
: be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.
:
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
: > When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
: > barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
: >
: > I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
: > friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
: > in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
: >
: > You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
: > grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
: > 410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
: > or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
: > nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
: > range as a bonus.
: >
: > Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
: > worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
: >
: > One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
: > but do remember it jammed a lot.
: >
: > Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
: > gun.
: >
: > Mike
: > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: >
: > Kevin Sperle wrote:
: > >
: > > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
: > > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
: advice
: > > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
: Remington
: > > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
: cheap,
: > > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable
and
: > > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already
: went
: > > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very
: well
: > > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870
for
: > > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's
: yet
: > > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
: > > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I
: could
: > > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
: > >
: > > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
: > > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
: > >
: > > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
: > >
: > > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
: > > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
: olds
: > > all week!
:
: