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Kevin Sperle 09-15-2003 04:00 PM

O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are cheap,
in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
$229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
be putting into my tranny swap this winter).

I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.

Anyone wanna throw in their .02?

P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
all week!



Dave Milne 09-15-2003 04:37 PM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
Must be tough knowing you can't use the "Grand Theft Auto" defence !

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3104892.stm>

"One man was killed and a woman was badly hurt when William Buckner, 16, and
his step-brother Joshua, 14, decided to relieve their boredom by opening
fire on traffic on Interstate 40 with a .22-calibre rifle.
Lawyer Jack Thompson has taken up the case and plans to sue the makers of
Grand Theft Auto, saying they should bear some responsibility for the death
of Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old nurse and the injuries caused."

Now, I am in favour of guns as you guys know, but if the "armed society is a
polite society" line was really true ... somone would have shot the bastards
dead and you wouldn't be having a court case !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...

: P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
: education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
: all week!
:
:



Dave Milne 09-15-2003 04:37 PM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
Must be tough knowing you can't use the "Grand Theft Auto" defence !

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3104892.stm>

"One man was killed and a woman was badly hurt when William Buckner, 16, and
his step-brother Joshua, 14, decided to relieve their boredom by opening
fire on traffic on Interstate 40 with a .22-calibre rifle.
Lawyer Jack Thompson has taken up the case and plans to sue the makers of
Grand Theft Auto, saying they should bear some responsibility for the death
of Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old nurse and the injuries caused."

Now, I am in favour of guns as you guys know, but if the "armed society is a
polite society" line was really true ... somone would have shot the bastards
dead and you wouldn't be having a court case !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...

: P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
: education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
: all week!
:
:



Kevin Sperle 09-15-2003 04:56 PM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
I read that story a few days ago. Just amazing what some people try to get
away with. "Your honor, It's the games fault that my client went out and
shot three people! He's 15, how is he supposed to know that it's wrong?"
I'm not bashing lawyers, but COME ON! Nobody is responsible for their
actions anymore. It's the movies or the media or their friends that made
em' do it!

My guess would be that they never participated in a hunters education class,
or they would have known that "shooting people is wrong" ;-)

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Zpp9b.11291$Jf4.100208743@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Must be tough knowing you can't use the "Grand Theft Auto" defence !
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3104892.stm>
>
> "One man was killed and a woman was badly hurt when William Buckner, 16,

and
> his step-brother Joshua, 14, decided to relieve their boredom by opening
> fire on traffic on Interstate 40 with a .22-calibre rifle.
> Lawyer Jack Thompson has taken up the case and plans to sue the makers of
> Grand Theft Auto, saying they should bear some responsibility for the

death
> of Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old nurse and the injuries caused."
>
> Now, I am in favour of guns as you guys know, but if the "armed society is

a
> polite society" line was really true ... somone would have shot the

bastards
> dead and you wouldn't be having a court case !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
>
> : P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> : education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year

olds
> : all week!
> :
> :
>
>




Kevin Sperle 09-15-2003 04:56 PM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
I read that story a few days ago. Just amazing what some people try to get
away with. "Your honor, It's the games fault that my client went out and
shot three people! He's 15, how is he supposed to know that it's wrong?"
I'm not bashing lawyers, but COME ON! Nobody is responsible for their
actions anymore. It's the movies or the media or their friends that made
em' do it!

My guess would be that they never participated in a hunters education class,
or they would have known that "shooting people is wrong" ;-)

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Zpp9b.11291$Jf4.100208743@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Must be tough knowing you can't use the "Grand Theft Auto" defence !
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3104892.stm>
>
> "One man was killed and a woman was badly hurt when William Buckner, 16,

and
> his step-brother Joshua, 14, decided to relieve their boredom by opening
> fire on traffic on Interstate 40 with a .22-calibre rifle.
> Lawyer Jack Thompson has taken up the case and plans to sue the makers of
> Grand Theft Auto, saying they should bear some responsibility for the

death
> of Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old nurse and the injuries caused."
>
> Now, I am in favour of guns as you guys know, but if the "armed society is

a
> polite society" line was really true ... somone would have shot the

bastards
> dead and you wouldn't be having a court case !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
>
> : P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> : education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year

olds
> : all week!
> :
> :
>
>




Mike Romain 09-15-2003 05:49 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.

I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)

You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
range as a bonus.

Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.

One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
but do remember it jammed a lot.

Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
gun.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Kevin Sperle wrote:
>
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!


Mike Romain 09-15-2003 05:49 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.

I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)

You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
range as a bonus.

Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.

One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
but do remember it jammed a lot.

Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
gun.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Kevin Sperle wrote:
>
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!


Kevin Sperle 09-15-2003 06:10 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a target
if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little bit
much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into it.
I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other day
and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I thought
my arm was gonna fall off :-)

Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons to
be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
> When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
> barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
>
> I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
> friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
> in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
>
> You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
> grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
> 410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
> or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
> nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
> range as a bonus.
>
> Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
> worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
>
> One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
> but do remember it jammed a lot.
>
> Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
> gun.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Kevin Sperle wrote:
> >
> > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten

advice
> > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a

Remington
> > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

cheap,
> > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already

went
> > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very

well
> > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's

yet
> > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I

could
> > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
> >
> > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
> >
> > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
> >
> > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year

olds
> > all week!




Kevin Sperle 09-15-2003 06:10 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a target
if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little bit
much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into it.
I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other day
and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I thought
my arm was gonna fall off :-)

Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons to
be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
> When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
> barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
>
> I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
> friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
> in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
>
> You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
> grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
> 410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
> or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
> nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
> range as a bonus.
>
> Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
> worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
>
> One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
> but do remember it jammed a lot.
>
> Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
> gun.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Kevin Sperle wrote:
> >
> > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten

advice
> > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a

Remington
> > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

cheap,
> > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already

went
> > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very

well
> > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's

yet
> > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I

could
> > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
> >
> > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
> >
> > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
> >
> > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year

olds
> > all week!




Dave Milne 09-15-2003 06:14 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
410s are nice and light. Only downside is that you have to be able to shoot,
as the ------ is that much smaller.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BLq9b.64$ta1.83446@news.uswest.net...
: Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a
target
: if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little
bit
: much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into
it.
: I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other
day
: and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I
thought
: my arm was gonna fall off :-)
:
: Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
: interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons
to
: be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.
:
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
: > When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
: > barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
: >
: > I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
: > friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
: > in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
: >
: > You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
: > grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
: > 410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
: > or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
: > nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
: > range as a bonus.
: >
: > Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
: > worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
: >
: > One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
: > but do remember it jammed a lot.
: >
: > Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
: > gun.
: >
: > Mike
: > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: >
: > Kevin Sperle wrote:
: > >
: > > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
: > > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
: advice
: > > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
: Remington
: > > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
: cheap,
: > > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable
and
: > > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already
: went
: > > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very
: well
: > > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870
for
: > > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's
: yet
: > > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
: > > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I
: could
: > > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
: > >
: > > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
: > > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
: > >
: > > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
: > >
: > > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
: > > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
: olds
: > > all week!
:
:



Dave Milne 09-15-2003 06:14 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
410s are nice and light. Only downside is that you have to be able to shoot,
as the ------ is that much smaller.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BLq9b.64$ta1.83446@news.uswest.net...
: Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a
target
: if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little
bit
: much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into
it.
: I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other
day
: and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I
thought
: my arm was gonna fall off :-)
:
: Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
: interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons
to
: be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.
:
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
: > When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
: > barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
: >
: > I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
: > friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
: > in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
: >
: > You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
: > grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
: > 410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
: > or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
: > nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
: > range as a bonus.
: >
: > Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
: > worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
: >
: > One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
: > but do remember it jammed a lot.
: >
: > Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
: > gun.
: >
: > Mike
: > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: >
: > Kevin Sperle wrote:
: > >
: > > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
: > > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
: advice
: > > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
: Remington
: > > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are
: cheap,
: > > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable
and
: > > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already
: went
: > > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very
: well
: > > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870
for
: > > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's
: yet
: > > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
: > > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I
: could
: > > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
: > >
: > > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
: > > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
: > >
: > > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
: > >
: > > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
: > > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
: olds
: > > all week!
:
:



Kevin Sperle 09-15-2003 06:27 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
> Not as wierd as being the instructor and all the students
> are old enough to be your parents.


I actually ran into an x-girlfriend in the class.... no she wasn't taking
it, her little boy was. That was awkward! I was just releived he didn't
look anything like me ;-)

Thanks for the advice. 12 guage is definately the way I want to go for my
first gun, I think it's good for all around use.

I looked around a few pawn shops in town for used guns, for the 870 they
wanted around $225 - $235. I told the guy I can go buy a new one for that
much.... his response, "go buy a new one". I'll mark that down as one of
lifes little lessons.



Kevin Sperle 09-15-2003 06:27 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
> Not as wierd as being the instructor and all the students
> are old enough to be your parents.


I actually ran into an x-girlfriend in the class.... no she wasn't taking
it, her little boy was. That was awkward! I was just releived he didn't
look anything like me ;-)

Thanks for the advice. 12 guage is definately the way I want to go for my
first gun, I think it's good for all around use.

I looked around a few pawn shops in town for used guns, for the 870 they
wanted around $225 - $235. I told the guy I can go buy a new one for that
much.... his response, "go buy a new one". I'll mark that down as one of
lifes little lessons.



Jeepers 09-15-2003 07:46 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
In article <V%q9b.66$ta1.87016@news.uswest.net>,
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Not as wierd as being the instructor and all the students
> > are old enough to be your parents.

>
> I actually ran into an x-girlfriend in the class.... no she wasn't taking
> it, her little boy was. That was awkward! I was just releived he didn't
> look anything like me ;-)
>
> Thanks for the advice. 12 guage is definately the way I want to go for my
> first gun, I think it's good for all around use.
>
> I looked around a few pawn shops in town for used guns, for the 870 they
> wanted around $225 - $235. I told the guy I can go buy a new one for that
> much.... his response, "go buy a new one". I'll mark that down as one of
> lifes little lessons.
>
>


Get a magnum. It expands your hunting to geese and, most importantly,
turkey. Hunting gobblers is addictive.


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Jeepers 09-15-2003 07:46 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
In article <V%q9b.66$ta1.87016@news.uswest.net>,
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Not as wierd as being the instructor and all the students
> > are old enough to be your parents.

>
> I actually ran into an x-girlfriend in the class.... no she wasn't taking
> it, her little boy was. That was awkward! I was just releived he didn't
> look anything like me ;-)
>
> Thanks for the advice. 12 guage is definately the way I want to go for my
> first gun, I think it's good for all around use.
>
> I looked around a few pawn shops in town for used guns, for the 870 they
> wanted around $225 - $235. I told the guy I can go buy a new one for that
> much.... his response, "go buy a new one". I'll mark that down as one of
> lifes little lessons.
>
>


Get a magnum. It expands your hunting to geese and, most importantly,
turkey. Hunting gobblers is addictive.


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AWD 09-15-2003 08:40 PM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
Kevin,

I've got a Remington 1100 and an 870. Both are a blast to shoot and
pretty cheap to "feed".

The 1100 is going on 30 years old now and it still shoots well. Not
the fanciest of shotguns, but then I'm not out to impress anybody these days
either. I shoot trap with both, depending on which gun got tossed in the
trunk. I prefer the 1100 as it's just a slick automatic gun.

Used to carry the 870 as a cop up north. Works well and both take a
beating without burping. I don't clean them very often, only when it's
"obvious" that a cleaning is in order (like around Turkey Day or so).

Shotguns are fun. You can't really go wrong with an 870 as it'll last
you forever, no matter what you may get in the future, should you decide to
go high tech or something and spend $20,000 on your next one!

The bottom line....

I got that Remington 1100 with my first wife. I'm on my third (and
final) wife and still got the first shot gun.

AD



AWD 09-15-2003 08:40 PM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
Kevin,

I've got a Remington 1100 and an 870. Both are a blast to shoot and
pretty cheap to "feed".

The 1100 is going on 30 years old now and it still shoots well. Not
the fanciest of shotguns, but then I'm not out to impress anybody these days
either. I shoot trap with both, depending on which gun got tossed in the
trunk. I prefer the 1100 as it's just a slick automatic gun.

Used to carry the 870 as a cop up north. Works well and both take a
beating without burping. I don't clean them very often, only when it's
"obvious" that a cleaning is in order (like around Turkey Day or so).

Shotguns are fun. You can't really go wrong with an 870 as it'll last
you forever, no matter what you may get in the future, should you decide to
go high tech or something and spend $20,000 on your next one!

The bottom line....

I got that Remington 1100 with my first wife. I'm on my third (and
final) wife and still got the first shot gun.

AD



Jeepers 09-15-2003 09:15 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
In article <n2kcmvsijc5q3r6u0otljvroj9v2vu29d8@4ax.com>,
travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Here's my old magnum. I don't think this is quite what you're talking
> about, though...
> http://bugadventures.dyndns.org/gun.jpg
> Let the jokes about measuring your barrel commence... :-)


Yeah, I meant shotgun magnum.

I've got a Ruger Super Redhawk just like yours in .44 and 7.5", great
pigger.


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Jeepers 09-15-2003 09:15 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
In article <n2kcmvsijc5q3r6u0otljvroj9v2vu29d8@4ax.com>,
travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Here's my old magnum. I don't think this is quite what you're talking
> about, though...
> http://bugadventures.dyndns.org/gun.jpg
> Let the jokes about measuring your barrel commence... :-)


Yeah, I meant shotgun magnum.

I've got a Ruger Super Redhawk just like yours in .44 and 7.5", great
pigger.


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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 09-15-2003 09:34 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
I have the Blackhawk, there's no way I can squeeze one off without
closing my eyes: http://www.----------.com/44_22.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Jeepers wrote:
>
> Yeah, I meant shotgun magnum.
>
> I've got a Ruger Super Redhawk just like yours in .44 and 7.5", great
> pigger.
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Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
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closing my eyes: http://www.----------.com/44_22.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Jeepers wrote:
>
> Yeah, I meant shotgun magnum.
>
> I've got a Ruger Super Redhawk just like yours in .44 and 7.5", great
> pigger.
>
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Rich Pierson 09-15-2003 10:25 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
I have a couple, Winchester 1300 pump 12ga 3" w/2 barrels, one rifled for
slugs and the other smooth 28" with interchangable chokes. Works well and
fits my 6'6" frame. Baretta 12ga 3" single shot trap gun, light, kicks like
a mule but sure goes after them clays. I seem to remember the winchester
was ~$300 w/both barrels, the Baretta was around $2K back in the 70's.


"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net:

> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
> advice from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
> Remington 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.
> They are cheap, in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also
> very reliable and effective guns. One friend also suggested a
> Mossberg 500. I already went out and shot a box of clay pigeons
> through a friends 870 and did very well with it so I do feel I'll be
> comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for $229 here in town, I
> haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet although I hear
> they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a fortune since
> I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could be
> putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
> olds all week!
>
>



Rich Pierson 09-15-2003 10:25 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
I have a couple, Winchester 1300 pump 12ga 3" w/2 barrels, one rifled for
slugs and the other smooth 28" with interchangable chokes. Works well and
fits my 6'6" frame. Baretta 12ga 3" single shot trap gun, light, kicks like
a mule but sure goes after them clays. I seem to remember the winchester
was ~$300 w/both barrels, the Baretta was around $2K back in the 70's.


"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net:

> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten
> advice from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a
> Remington 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.
> They are cheap, in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also
> very reliable and effective guns. One friend also suggested a
> Mossberg 500. I already went out and shot a box of clay pigeons
> through a friends 870 and did very well with it so I do feel I'll be
> comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for $229 here in town, I
> haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet although I hear
> they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a fortune since
> I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could be
> putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year
> olds all week!
>
>



bulletsnbrains 09-16-2003 12:32 AM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>


The 870 is a reliable gun, you won't be disapointed with it. I have the
youth model for my son. Re-Sale value would be $150 to $175 likely, if you
do get rid of it. My brother-in-law shoots a Benelli and is extremlely happy
with it. I have not shot anything but Remintons, Winchesters and Mossberg
835's. As for barrel choices... I would get something shorter, like a 20"
barrel for Turkey and Deer. Something with a Parkerized finish is good. Buy
a 2nd barrel for birds in the 26" to 28" lengths. Sabot's need rifling in
the barrel, so if you want to deer hunt look at that as a barrel option. If
you get Mossberg, some barrels have an overbore at the end of the barrel to
reduce recoil. You cannot use slugs in these barrels! My 835 is that way.
Don't forget to buy a cleaning kit and gun case.

> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!
>
>

I took my son's on different years and my wife at age 40 also went to take
the course. Many parents who took their kids also took the class. I of
course took the course one of the first years available, back in the mid
70's. Before it was mandatory. :-)


Just my collection of ramblings...Enjoy the shooting sports!

Brian






bulletsnbrains 09-16-2003 12:32 AM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>


The 870 is a reliable gun, you won't be disapointed with it. I have the
youth model for my son. Re-Sale value would be $150 to $175 likely, if you
do get rid of it. My brother-in-law shoots a Benelli and is extremlely happy
with it. I have not shot anything but Remintons, Winchesters and Mossberg
835's. As for barrel choices... I would get something shorter, like a 20"
barrel for Turkey and Deer. Something with a Parkerized finish is good. Buy
a 2nd barrel for birds in the 26" to 28" lengths. Sabot's need rifling in
the barrel, so if you want to deer hunt look at that as a barrel option. If
you get Mossberg, some barrels have an overbore at the end of the barrel to
reduce recoil. You cannot use slugs in these barrels! My 835 is that way.
Don't forget to buy a cleaning kit and gun case.

> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!
>
>

I took my son's on different years and my wife at age 40 also went to take
the course. Many parents who took their kids also took the class. I of
course took the course one of the first years available, back in the mid
70's. Before it was mandatory. :-)


Just my collection of ramblings...Enjoy the shooting sports!

Brian






Carlo Jr. 09-16-2003 12:44 AM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
I have 1 Redhawk .44 with somewhere over 7"bbl (7 & 5/8 or 7 & 7/8 - can't
remember - almost 8") & a 4x scope - but my favorite is my "Lou Horton",
S&W, Model 29, 3" round butt. (I love it when the recoil blows my hair back)

About shotguns, though - have you looked @ any semi-autos? I have an old
Winchester XTR 1500. They are a little more comfortable, especially for
someone just starting & you don't have to pump in between shots, therefore,
making it easier to remain on the target if a second shot is required. The
ultimate is an over/under, but that would be later, when you know you have
the fever.

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr@comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


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> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I have the Blackhawk, there's no way I can squeeze one off without

closing my eyes.
>
> Yeah, it's a blast (pun intended). I have a ton of practice, in .44
> special. It helps. So does a glove and a Hogue grip. Reloading helps
> too. So does my own range. :^)
>
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Carlo Jr. 09-16-2003 12:44 AM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
I have 1 Redhawk .44 with somewhere over 7"bbl (7 & 5/8 or 7 & 7/8 - can't
remember - almost 8") & a 4x scope - but my favorite is my "Lou Horton",
S&W, Model 29, 3" round butt. (I love it when the recoil blows my hair back)

About shotguns, though - have you looked @ any semi-autos? I have an old
Winchester XTR 1500. They are a little more comfortable, especially for
someone just starting & you don't have to pump in between shots, therefore,
making it easier to remain on the target if a second shot is required. The
ultimate is an over/under, but that would be later, when you know you have
the fever.

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr@comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


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> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I have the Blackhawk, there's no way I can squeeze one off without

closing my eyes.
>
> Yeah, it's a blast (pun intended). I have a ton of practice, in .44
> special. It helps. So does a glove and a Hogue grip. Reloading helps
> too. So does my own range. :^)
>
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bulletsnbrains 09-16-2003 12:48 AM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
Try the Encore in .308 Win! You can't shoot a box of 20 without starting to
flinch. :-) It sure impresses the friends though. I got mine topped with a
Leopold 2X. Not bad, but am a little disappointed in the narrow objective,
creates more parallax than I like.

I clocked my 150 grn at 2400fps. and that's a factory round. I also reload
..357/38 spcl and .30-06 rounds. I bought my brother-in-laws 12 ga.
shotshell reloader last year, but haven't reloaded a single round yet.

Brian


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> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I have the Blackhawk, there's no way I can squeeze one off without

closing my eyes.
>
> Yeah, it's a blast (pun intended). I have a ton of practice, in .44
> special. It helps. So does a glove and a Hogue grip. Reloading helps
> too. So does my own range. :^)
>
>
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bulletsnbrains 09-16-2003 12:48 AM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
Try the Encore in .308 Win! You can't shoot a box of 20 without starting to
flinch. :-) It sure impresses the friends though. I got mine topped with a
Leopold 2X. Not bad, but am a little disappointed in the narrow objective,
creates more parallax than I like.

I clocked my 150 grn at 2400fps. and that's a factory round. I also reload
..357/38 spcl and .30-06 rounds. I bought my brother-in-laws 12 ga.
shotshell reloader last year, but haven't reloaded a single round yet.

Brian


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> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I have the Blackhawk, there's no way I can squeeze one off without

closing my eyes.
>
> Yeah, it's a blast (pun intended). I have a ton of practice, in .44
> special. It helps. So does a glove and a Hogue grip. Reloading helps
> too. So does my own range. :^)
>
>
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Carlo Jr. 09-16-2003 12:48 AM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
I have one of those, too.............hallway sweeper. I've wanted to get the
"Marine" model (Stainless) - but haven't, yet.

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr@comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:%Rt9b.9033$x21.8589@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> hi kevin,
> it really depends on the type of hunting youll be doing. ive got a
> winchester defender that i swear by, but it wouldnt be well suited for

small
> game.
>

http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodi...d=104&cat=012C
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
> > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten

advice
> > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a

Remington
> > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

> cheap,
> > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already

went
> > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very

well
> > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's

yet
> > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I

could
> > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
> >
> > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
> >
> > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
> >
> > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year

olds
> > all week!
> >
> >

>
>




Carlo Jr. 09-16-2003 12:48 AM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
I have one of those, too.............hallway sweeper. I've wanted to get the
"Marine" model (Stainless) - but haven't, yet.

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr@comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
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"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:%Rt9b.9033$x21.8589@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> hi kevin,
> it really depends on the type of hunting youll be doing. ive got a
> winchester defender that i swear by, but it wouldnt be well suited for

small
> game.
>

http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodi...d=104&cat=012C
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
> > Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> > childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten

advice
> > from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a

Remington
> > 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

> cheap,
> > in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> > effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already

went
> > out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very

well
> > with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> > $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's

yet
> > although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> > fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I

could
> > be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
> >
> > I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> > goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
> >
> > Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
> >
> > P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> > education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year

olds
> > all week!
> >
> >

>
>




FrankW 09-16-2003 07:41 AM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
If I were you, just starting out hunting.
I'd buy a single shot 12G shotgun. They should be cheap
to buy and nothing like a single shot to hone your hunting skills.
I guess that's why they call it duck hunting or deer hunting
instead of duck shooting or deer shooting :-)

Kevin Sperle wrote:
> Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a target
> if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little bit
> much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into it.
> I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other day
> and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I thought
> my arm was gonna fall off :-)
>
> Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
> interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons to
> be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
>
>>When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
>>barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
>>
>>I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
>>friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
>>in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
>>
>>You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
>>grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
>>410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
>>or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
>>nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
>>range as a bonus.
>>
>>Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
>>worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
>>
>>One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
>>but do remember it jammed a lot.
>>
>>Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
>>gun.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>Kevin Sperle wrote:
>>
>>>Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
>>>childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten

>>

> advice
>
>>>from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a

>>

> Remington
>
>>>870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

>>

> cheap,
>
>>>in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
>>>effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already

>>

> went
>
>>>out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very

>>

> well
>
>>>with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
>>>$229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's

>>

> yet
>
>>>although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
>>>fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I

>>

> could
>
>>>be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>>>
>>>I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
>>>goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>>>
>>>Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>>>
>>>P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
>>>education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year

>>

> olds
>
>>>all week!

>>

>
>



FrankW 09-16-2003 07:41 AM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
If I were you, just starting out hunting.
I'd buy a single shot 12G shotgun. They should be cheap
to buy and nothing like a single shot to hone your hunting skills.
I guess that's why they call it duck hunting or deer hunting
instead of duck shooting or deer shooting :-)

Kevin Sperle wrote:
> Good advice. I shot my buddies 30 year old 410 and I couldn't miss a target
> if I tried. That little thing was sweet. Over-unders might be a little bit
> much for my budget right now, like I said, I'm just starting to get into it.
> I can understand the wieght issues. I took my friends 870 out the other day
> and he carried the 410. By the end of the day he looked fine, but I thought
> my arm was gonna fall off :-)
>
> Basically I'm looking for a good all around gun until I see if I'm really
> interested in pursuing it further. I did find shooting the clay pigeons to
> be a blast, but I have yet to shoot anything else.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F6633E5.58D90D74@sympatico.ca...
>
>>When I used to bird hunt, I preferred my single shot 20 ga. with a 30"
>>barrel. We hiked a lot and it was nice and light.
>>
>>I also like a double barrel gun. Over under I like best. Lots of
>>friends and my Dad had those. That way you can have two different loads
>>in it, one for up close and one that can catch up to them... ;-)
>>
>>You can also get different gauges on an over under. A good one for
>>grouse is a 22 cal with a 20 or 12 ga. on top. Or a 20 or 12 ga. and
>>410 is sweet. If they are standing around close or running slow, the 22
>>or 410 picks them off. It's nice to have something left to eat if you
>>nail one too close to you. ;-) Plus a 22 cal has killing power at long
>>range as a bonus.
>>
>>Dad had a Remington 12 ga. pump, mechanical eject. Heavy old pig, but
>>worked well. He cut the barrel back some for woodcock hunting.
>>
>>One buddy had a Mossberg with a recoil eject, don't remember the type,
>>but do remember it jammed a lot.
>>
>>Dad also had an over under Frankie, (sp?) that was a super light sweet
>>gun.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>Kevin Sperle wrote:
>>
>>>Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
>>>childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten

>>

> advice
>
>>>from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a

>>

> Remington
>
>>>870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

>>

> cheap,
>
>>>in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
>>>effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already

>>

> went
>
>>>out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very

>>

> well
>
>>>with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
>>>$229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's

>>

> yet
>
>>>although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
>>>fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I

>>

> could
>
>>>be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>>>
>>>I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
>>>goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>>>
>>>Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>>>
>>>P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
>>>education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year

>>

> olds
>
>>>all week!

>>

>
>



mabar 09-16-2003 08:38 AM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
The Remington 870 is available straight from the factory in a combo pack
with 2 barrels in a couple of different variations. It's a good quality,
inexpensive shotgun and the two barrel combo package is worth the extra
money. Gives you a lot more versatility with two barrels.

http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/870excmb.htm

Tom

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!
>
>





mabar 09-16-2003 08:38 AM

Re: Shotgun Advice
 
The Remington 870 is available straight from the factory in a combo pack
with 2 barrels in a couple of different variations. It's a good quality,
inexpensive shotgun and the two barrel combo package is worth the extra
money. Gives you a lot more versatility with two barrels.

http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/870excmb.htm

Tom

"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun. They are

cheap,
> in case I lose interest in it as a hobby, but are also very reliable and
> effective guns. One friend also suggested a Mossberg 500. I already went
> out and shot a box of clay pigeons through a friends 870 and did very well
> with it so I do feel I'll be comfortable with it. I can get the 870 for
> $229 here in town, I haven't priced the Mossberg or any Benelli Nova's yet
> although I hear they should be close in price. Not looking to spend a
> fortune since I'm just geting interested in it (besides this is $$ I could
> be putting into my tranny swap this winter).
>
> I'm initially planning on hunting grouse, chukar then maybe get into
> goose/pheasant/turkey in the future.
>
> Anyone wanna throw in their .02?
>
> P.S. - If you ever wanna feel like a wierdo........ take your hunter
> education class when you are 29.... and sit in a room full of 10 year olds
> all week!
>
>





Andrew 09-25-2003 02:01 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net>...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.


I have a 12Ga Remington 1100. It is semi-auto so it is nice and easy
on the shoulder. Something to think about.

Andrew
'00 TJ Sahara

Andrew 09-25-2003 02:01 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net>...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.


I have a 12Ga Remington 1100. It is semi-auto so it is nice and easy
on the shoulder. Something to think about.

Andrew
'00 TJ Sahara

Andrew 09-25-2003 02:01 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net>...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.


I have a 12Ga Remington 1100. It is semi-auto so it is nice and easy
on the shoulder. Something to think about.

Andrew
'00 TJ Sahara

Andrew 09-25-2003 02:01 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2So9b.607$ep1.31630@news.uswest.net>...
> Now that I'm almost 30 I'm taking up hunting (I lived a sheltered
> childhood). Getting ready to buy my first 12 guage. I have gotten advice
> from a few different friends and most seem to say that buying a Remington
> 870 express (28" barrel, 3" chamber) is a great first gun.


I have a 12Ga Remington 1100. It is semi-auto so it is nice and easy
on the shoulder. Something to think about.

Andrew
'00 TJ Sahara

Jjsegr 09-28-2003 05:35 PM

Re: O/T: Shotgun Advice
 
I vote for the reliable Rem. 870 in 12 Ga., 26 -28" barrel. With the
interchangeable screw-in choke tubes, it is versatile - and (as I recall)
lighter than my autoloader (11-87 Special Purpose).

In the event that you're likely to begin hunting waterfowl, get a minimum 3"
chamber. I am uninformed if Remingtons have made the change to 3 1/2", but
Mossburg has, I know.

In years to come, you can always go to a Benelli 3 1/2" auto...


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